Ex Cop and son kill unarmed black man jogging

[fattyflattie 4640]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Whites can say "brother" but it's gotta be a hard R and annunciated like Hulk Hogan.

What if I’m leading a congregation? Fuck it I’m out. 

[Bojack 2090]

Younger McMichael guilty on 9 of 9.  Older McMichael guilty on 8 of 9.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Seems like a fair verdict.

[Nicole44 22309]

Driving of people for Turkey day to Houston! Yay! Guilty!!!!!! Yay!!!!

[mchookem 16765]

well thank goodness

[mdmost 43988]

Pleasantly surprised. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

This one was never in doubt, imo.  I get it ledge, bad jurors, etc but I don’t think it was ever in doubt. 

[Pato del Muerto 53464]

Well good news. What’s the most serious conviction and what sentence goes with it?

[Buzzrock 15136]

Good work Georgia. I would have been surprised with an acquittal.

[Brisketexan 106886]

Very relieved by this.  Appropriate use of the felony murder rule as well (by which the non-triggermen are guilty of a murder charge as well).

Now, let's see what the court of appeals says about the instruction on the "citizens arrest" statute.  That's THE determinative question.

[Buzzrock 15136]

Well good news. What’s the most serious conviction and what sentence goes with it?

Life I believe. I don’t think the DP is an option.

['stache 22131]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Very relieved by this.  Appropriate use of the felony murder rule as well (by which the non-triggermen are guilty of a murder charge as well).

Now, let's see what the court of appeals says about the instruction on the "citizens arrest" statute.  That's THE determinative question.

Don't forget the "black preachers" problem. That will surely be raised on appeal. 'Cause Georgia.

[Brothahorn 10097]

[Dahobbs 18316]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Very relieved by this.  Appropriate use of the felony murder rule as well (by which the non-triggermen are guilty of a murder charge as well).

Now, let's see what the court of appeals says about the instruction on the "citizens arrest" statute.  That's THE determinative question.

I hate the felony murder rule in general. It is often abused and frankly I don't think it is logically sound. But I suppose this is close to the ideal case for the rule if we are stuck with it. 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Dahobbs

[Brisketexan 106886]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

I hate the felony murder rule in general. It is often abused and frankly I don't think is logically sound. But I suppose this is close to the ideal case for the rule if we are stuck with it. 

Yep.  I do think there needs to be more mens rea to support a conviction under it, but the facts here would support it even with a heightened standard.

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

The fact that we’re even the least bit surprised is sad.

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

Man, Georgia pleasantly surprises me, again. 

 

[South Austin 53222]

Very gruntled. Much justice. 

[jkates 336]

7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The fact that we’re even the least bit surprised is sad.

Many of us are not surprised. It was the appropriate verdict despite the defense's attempts at legal loopholes. Those dudes unnecessarily chased a kid down and murdered him....on video. Without the video, this could easily go another way. Much like the Rittenhouse trial, if one watched it and saw the videos, one would not be shocked at the verdicts. 

[closetohumping 17810]

[BrazilHorn 6841]

Good. Fuck those guys. Racist POS. 

[TXSG8R 3362]

19 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

 

 

Yes, if Ahmad had been carrying so much as a pocket knife Travis probably would have walked. 

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

9 minutes ago, jkates said:

Many of us are not surprised. It was the appropriate verdict despite the defense's attempts at legal loopholes. Those dudes unnecessarily chased a kid down and murdered him....on video. Without the video, this could easily go another way. Much like the Rittenhouse trial, if one watched it and saw the videos, one would not be shocked at the verdicts. 

They weren't even charged until the video came out.  Three different DA's passed on the case.

['stache 22131]

3 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Yes, if Ahmad had been carrying so much as a pocket knife Travis probably would have walked. 

Or a skateboard, stare decisis and all.

Edited November 24, 2021 by 'stache

[Dr. Teeth 5868]

There goes Tucker's guest list next week.

[jkates 336]

7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They weren't even charged until the video came out.  Three different DA's passed on the case.

Yup. I was simply referring to the trial. Once I saw the evidence and heard the prosecution and defense, I figured it was a slam dunk guilty. The quick deliberation seems to agree.

[Brisketexan 106886]

16 minutes ago, jkates said:

Many of us are not surprised. It was the appropriate verdict despite the defense's attempts at legal loopholes. Those dudes unnecessarily chased a kid down and murdered him....on video. Without the video, this could easily go another way. Much like the Rittenhouse trial, if one watched it and saw the videos, one would not be shocked at the verdicts. 

 

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They weren't even charged until the video came out.  Three different DA's passed on the case.

This.  A whole lotta people forget what AB points out.

This is an "OBVIOUS" case, a real no-brainer that they're guilty......except, you know, the elected officials charged with representing the interests of the people of Georgia so strongly disagreed with that conclusion that they didn't even file charges.  That's the failure point -  complete and total institutional and systemic failure. 

Not until the video went national, and the full state authorities came in, was the failure corrected.  That's FUCKED UP.

[Message Board User 12405]

7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They weren't even charged until the video came out.  Three different DA's passed on the case.

Didn’t the defendants themselves leak the video which led to their own conviction?

That’s an all timer right there.  Hoisted by their own petard as one might say…in the 17th century.

[jkates 336]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

There goes Tucker's guest list next week.

What has Tucker said about this trial? 

[The Ace of Aces 5377]

These fucks still are in the hook for federal hate crime charges too. Pile it on. 

Now the DA needs to be sent to prison for her handling of this. She’s deserving of a lengthy sentence. 

[TexasEd 8266]

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Didn’t the defendants themselves leak the video which led to their own conviction?

That’s an all timer right there.  Hoisted by their own petard as one might say…in the 17th century.

Hell they went on the news to broadcast it to everyone.  I cannot believe that Roddy stuck with his lawyer the whole time.  Just one bad decision after another.

[Guest Lobo]

I feel like Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" if I'm the appellate judge hearing this bullshit.

"Black Preachers and Dirty Toenails?  Please tell me you have something more, counselor.  These men are on trial for their lives."  

 

in the spirit of Thanksgiving...May God be with the McMichael Boys...because no one else on this Earth will be.  

The beatings they are going to have to endure for decades, it boggles the mind.  They should hope and pray for long stays in the infirmary and/or solitary confinement.  Imagine a darkened 6x8x8 box for 23 hours a day being a place you long to go to for some "me time."  They get the chance, they should attempt a suicide-by-cop thing while in transit in the next few weeks.  Otherwise, they'll be the most famous murderers in Gen. Pop. and everybody's gonna take a swing.  

There's that old adage, I know Pops McMichael knows it, on the first day in prison-try and beat the biggest, baddest guy you can find.  Maybe they should just try that and die from the inevitable internal bleeding.  They drag it out too long, and it's just gonna be decades of mental and physical traumatic suffering.  I would think the Dad is smart enough to request he be placed in a separate facility from his son.  I know he feels he can protect his son more if he's in there with them on the same Block.  But deep down, he shouldn't see what's going to happen to his son because of him.  That's the worst part of his punishment.  And he deserves it 1000x fold.

[Cajun 11775]

Jury got this right and, yes, the criminally charged DA needs to be locked up for a long, long time.

[JimmyJames 12271]

41 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Very relieved by this.  Appropriate use of the felony murder rule as well (by which the non-triggermen are guilty of a murder charge as well).

Now, let's see what the court of appeals says about the instruction on the "citizens arrest" statute.  That's THE determinative question.

They will affirm the decision. Nobody except the defendants and their families wants to try this again. 

[TexasEd 8266]

The dad has the possibility of being put in jail with people he helped put there.  IIRC he was a bailiff or constable.  Something like that?

[Message Board User 12405]

6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I feel like Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" if I'm the appellate judge hearing this bullshit.

"Black Preachers and Dirty Toenails?  Please tell me you have something more, counselor.  These men are on trial for their lives."  

 

in the spirit of Thanksgiving...May God be with the McMichael Boys...because no one else on this Earth will be.  

The beatings they are going to have to endure for decades, it boggles the mind.  They should hope and pray for long stays in the infirmary and/or solitary confinement.  Imagine a darkened 6x8x8 box for 23 hours a day being a place you long to go to for some "me time."  They get the chance, they should attempt a suicide-by-cop thing while in transit in the next few weeks.  Otherwise, they'll be the most famous murderers in Gen. Pop. and everybody's gonna take a swing.  

There's that old adage, I know Pops McMichael knows it, on the first day in prison-try and beat the biggest, baddest guy you can find.  Maybe they should just try that and die from the inevitable internal bleeding.  They drag it out too long, and it's just gonna be decades of mental and physical traumatic suffering.  I would think the Dad is smart enough to request he be placed in a separate facility from his son.  I know he feels he can protect his son more if he's in there with them on the same Block.  But deep down, he shouldn't see what's going to happen to his son because of him.  That's the worst part of his punishment.  And he deserves it 1000x fold.

It may be fun to fantasize about but If you think these guys are going to be in “general pop” you crazy.

They’ll be placed in some kind of protective custody for their own safety.  The only living perpetrator of the James Byrd murder has been in protective custody since his conviction over 20 years ago.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Message Board User

[Guest Lobo]

^
Yep to the law enforcement career which ended in 2019, which is why I think he's smart to ask for a separate facility away from any of his previous jurisdictions.  Also because watching your son get beat mercilessly day after day for decades because of the shitty job you did as a father is more than any man can take.  

Also, MBU---I think the Dad will get placed somewhere "special" but the son and the third guy will likely end up in General Population after awhile.  And they will die there.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Lobo

[royiv 9782]

If they get convicted on the federal charges, which sentence would they serve first? State or federal? I’m not educated on the subject, but I would guess that a federal prison is more safe for these guys than a state prison.

[JimmyJames 12271]

19 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They weren't even charged until the video came out.  Three different DA's passed on the case.

Without the video they likely walk. So I can see the DAs passing on the case if they hadn’t seen the video. It’s not right. Just reality. 

[atomheartbevo 90641]

6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

in the spirit of Thanksgiving...May God be with the McMichael Boys...because no one else on this Earth will be.  

The beatings they are going to have to endure for decades, it boggles the mind.  They should hope and pray for long stays in the infirmary and/or solitary confinement.  Imagine a darkened 6x8x8 box for 23 hours a day being a place you long to go to for some "me time."  They get the chance, they should attempt a suicide-by-cop thing while in transit in the next few weeks.  Otherwise, they'll be the most famous murderers in Gen. Pop. and everybody's gonna take a swing.  

There's that old adage, I know Pops McMichael knows it, on the first day in prison-try and beat the biggest, baddest guy you can find.  Maybe they should just try that and die from the inevitable internal bleeding.  They drag it out too long, and it's just gonna be decades of mental and physical traumatic suffering.  I would think the Dad is smart enough to request he be placed in a separate facility from his son.  I know he feels he can protect his son more if he's in there with them on the same Block.  But deep down, he shouldn't see what's going to happen to his son because of him.  That's the worst part of his punishment.  And he deserves it 1000x fold.

When I hear the verdict, I wondered if we would get A True Lobo Prison Post.

Thank you for not letting us down.

And yeah, while the dad is going to have to live with this shit for the rest of his life, it's not just about the son ending up in prison, it's also about all of the bad choices the dad made along the way in raising his son.  And his son was a grown-ass man and knew the kind of person his dad was.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

A good day for that blind justice chick......

[TXSG8R 3362]

4 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Without the video they likely walk. So I can see the DAs passing on the case if they hadn’t seen the video. It’s not right. Just reality. 

Yea, that’s the least surprising part of all of this. Without the video it’s the word of a dead black kid versus 3 white guys, including an ex cop. 
 

edit: Bryan better watch his back around the McMichaels, he is the reason any of this sees a day in court. At this point what’s another murder going to cost Travis?

Edited November 24, 2021 by TXSG8R

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

I’d like to hear why they’re different than George Zimmerman.

[jkates 336]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I’d like to hear why they’re different than George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman had a legitimate self-defense claim under FL law. These guys did not, as per the video evidence, under GA law.

[Foosters 18276]

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I’d like to hear why they’re different than George Zimmerman.

There wasn't video. 

[TwiceHorn 32076]

3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

 

Yup. I didn't mean to suggest that no potentially legitimate (though almost certainly losing) basis for appeal exists. I was simply pointing out that "the jury didn't take long enough" isn't one of them. Non-lawyers may not realize that the jury deliberations are essentially a black box that cannot be opened or challenged (courts have carved out a very very small number of exceptions, and even those aren't readily accepted everywhere). 

I didn't mean to "counter" your post, but rather supplement it, because an appeal seems rather likely.  Although I don't see it as being likely to succeed.

Probably should have replied to lobo.

[Brothahorn 10097]

Yes, if Ahmad had been carrying so much as a pocket knife Travis probably would have walked. 

[TexasEd 8266]

21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I’d like to hear why they’re different than George Zimmerman.

 

14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

There wasn't video. 

Probably this.  Zimmerman got to tell his side of the story which sounded a lot like the one the McMichaels told.

IIRC:

• George saw suspicious guy in his neighborhood, he's part of neighborhood watch so gonna follow him
• George called the police they said to leave it alone
• George follows the guy and corners him in a dark corner
• Trayvon jumps him (likely in self defense from being cornered by the suspicious guy following him but we don't know because he's dead)
• George shoots and kills Trayvon

The main distinction is that McMichael escalated the threat with the open carry of a weapon

Zimmerman was concealed carry and was attacked from behind 

Neither Zimmerman or McMichael were initially charged. 

The critical evidence in the McMichael trial was the video and the testimony that they were chasing him for 5 minutes, they did not let him get away until it was elevated to conflict, Zimmerman claims he was attacked from behind.

Edited November 24, 2021 by TexasEd

[TwiceHorn 32076]

Pretty good article on "what comes next."  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/explainer-convictions-in-the-arbery-death-trial-now-what/ar-AAR5WOb

Looks like the murder convictions carry a minimum of 30 years.

And a reminder that federal hate crime charges remain pending.  I honestly think those need to drop if the convictions are affirmed on appeal.

Edited November 24, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[babysdaddy 2731]

1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

Life I believe. I don’t think the DP is an option.

Oh DP is gonna happen.  That dude's butthole is fuuuuucked.