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Many of you have displayed some interest in knowing if hell exists, and whether you or others may go there when you die.  Bear in mind, that Satan works overtime to convince people that He and hell doesn't exist.  That is the furthest thing from the truth.

Perhaps the following information from the Bible will help answer your questions:

1.  Hell was not originally created for man.  It was created for Satan and his angels or demons who rebelled against God in heaven and were cast out and sent to Earth.  Hell will be their eternal place of torment in the future.

2.  Because God made the world perfect in every way, He created man and woman in His image to enjoy His creation in perfect harmony with Himself.  Unfortunately, Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God,  and as a result, sin entered the world.  Our human nature was then altered so we became aware of what sin was, and apart from God, we could not live a life free of sin.

3.  Knowing this, God demanded that man to be forgiven by keeping the law.  God kept His end of the agreement, but we did not keep our end. We disobeyed God, committed sins, and the sacrifices we offered were not enough as they had to be done on a continual basis.  

4.  Thankfully, God's love for us sinners was greater than we could ever imagine.  He knew from the beginning that man could not live up to the laws that would provide salvation, so His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, was sent to pay for our sins on the cross.  This sacrifice was done once and for all people, so God's wrath and justice were satisfied forever.  And, this gift was offered to anyone willing to call on Him for salvation, to confess their sins, and to accept His gift of forgiveness.  It couldn't be earned any other way.  Good works without faith is not enough.  And, Christ died while we were sinners.  He didn't require us to get right with Him before we are saved.  Once we are forgiven by our trust in Him, His Holy Spirit enters our lives to help us resist the power of sin so that we are no longer slaves to sin.  We may fail at times, but He still forgives us and helps us to lead better lives in His power, and not our own.

5.  Many of the greatest people who ever lived understood the gospel or good news of God, and became believers in the finished work of Christ on the cross.  Most of the greatest scientists were Christians.  Countless others from the richest to the poorest were believers.  Every founder of the Ivy League colleges, except one, was a Christian.  Bach, Beethoven and Mozart were Christians, as was Pascal, Newton, Babbage, Carver, Von Braun, and thousands of others you have read about.  

I leave you with a couple questions and thoughts.  Why would God allow His only son to die a cruel death if there was another way for man to be forgiven of their sins?  He tried every other way, and they didn't work.  Christianity would collapse in a day if Christ had not risen from the dead.  His resurrection proves that He was the Messiah, sent to die in our place for the forgiveness of our sins.  Why is His grave the only vacant tomb of all the other so called founders of other religions?  By the way, Christ did not come to establish another religion.  He came to establish a relationship between sinful men and the one and only true God.  Christ's death was God's judgement against sin so that whosoever believed in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.  All past, present, and future sins were forgiven once and for all who place their trust in Christ.

I'm not going to hell when I die, not because I don't deserve to be there, but because my faith in His son's death and resurrection paid the ransom for my sins.  I have a received a pardon from God that He paid for.  Why would I reject that?  Why would you?  God does not send anyone to hell.  They send themselves because they have rejected his gift of salvation.

Amos 4:12 says "Prepare to meet God. "  Are you ready to face Him, and to give an account of your life?  You can be ready by turning to Him for salvation, and not trusting in your works.

I suggest you read the Book of John.  You may also read the testimony of Napoleon Bonaparte who was saved shortly before his death on the island of Saint Helena.  I would also recommend seeing the movie, "Paul, the Apostle of Christ."  You may find that these will be helpful in your search for a new life in Christ.

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Many of you have displayed some interest in knowing if hell exists, and whether you or others may go there when you die.  Bear in mind, that Satan works overtime to convince people that He and hell doesn't exist.  That is the furthest thing from the truth.

Perhaps the following information from the Bible will help answer your questions:

1.  Hell was not originally created for man.  It was created for Satan and his angels or demons who rebelled against God in heaven and were cast out and sent to Earth.  Hell will be their eternal place of torment in the future.

2.  Because God made the world perfect in every way, He created man and woman in His image to enjoy His creation in perfect harmony with Himself.  Unfortunately, Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God,  and as a result, sin entered the world.  Our human nature was then altered so we became aware of what sin was, and apart from God, we could not live a life free of sin.

3.  Knowing this, God demanded that man to be forgiven by keeping the law.  God kept His end of the agreement, but we did not keep our end. We disobeyed God, committed sins, and the sacrifices we offered were not enough as they had to be done on a continual basis.  

4.  Thankfully, God's love for us sinners was greater than we could ever imagine.  He knew from the beginning that man could not live up to the laws that would provide salvation, so His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, was sent to pay for our sins on the cross.  This sacrifice was done once and for all people, so God's wrath and justice were satisfied forever.  And, this gift was offered to anyone willing to call on Him for salvation, to confess their sins, and to accept His gift of forgiveness.  It couldn't be earned any other way.  Good works without faith is not enough.  And, Christ died while we were sinners.  He didn't require us to get right with Him before we are saved.  Once we are forgiven by our trust in Him, His Holy Spirit enters our lives to help us resist the power of sin so that we are no longer slaves to sin.  We may fail at times, but He still forgives us and helps us to lead better lives in His power, and not our own.

5.  Many of the greatest people who ever lived understood the gospel or good news of God, and became believers in the finished work of Christ on the cross.  Most of the greatest scientists were Christians.  Countless others from the richest to the poorest were believers.  Every founder of the Ivy League colleges, except one, was a Christian.  Bach, Beethoven and Mozart were Christians, as was Pascal, Newton, Babbage, Carver, Von Braun, and thousands of others you have read about.  

I leave you with a couple questions and thoughts.  Why would God allow His only son to die a cruel death if there was another way for man to be forgiven of their sins?  He tried every other way, and they didn't work.  Christianity would collapse in a day if Christ had not risen from the dead.  His resurrection proves that He was the Messiah, sent to die in our place for the forgiveness of our sins.  Why is His grave the only vacant tomb of all the other so called founders of other religions?  By the way, Christ did not come to establish another religion.  He came to establish a relationship between sinful men and the one and only true God.  Christ's death was God's judgement against sin so that whosoever believed in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.  All past, present, and future sins were forgiven once and for all who place their trust in Christ.

I'm not going to hell when I die, not because I don't deserve to be there, but because my faith in His son's death and resurrection paid the ransom for my sins.  I have a received a pardon from God that He paid for.  Why would I reject that?  Why would you?  God does not send anyone to hell.  They send themselves because they have rejected his gift of salvation.

Amos 4:12 says "Prepare to meet God. "  Are you ready to face Him, and to give an account of your life?  You can be ready by turning to Him for salvation, and not trusting in your works.

I suggest you read the Book of John.  You may also read the testimony of Napoleon Bonaparte who was saved shortly before his death on the island of Saint Helena.  I would also recommend seeing the movie, "Paul, the Apostle of Christ."  You may find that these will be helpful in your search for a new life in Christ.

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22 minutes ago, George Morgan said:

Many of you have displayed some interest in knowing if hell exists, and whether you or others may go there when you die.  Bear in mind, that Satan works overtime to convince people that He and hell doesn't exist.  That is the furthest thing from the truth.

Perhaps the following information from the Bible will help answer your questions:

1.  Hell was not originally created for man.  It was created for Satan and his angels or demons who rebelled against God in heaven and were cast out and sent to Earth.  Hell will be their eternal place of torment in the future.

2.  Because God made the world perfect in every way, He created man and woman in His image to enjoy His creation in perfect harmony with Himself.  Unfortunately, Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God,  and as a result, sin entered the world.  Our human nature was then altered so we became aware of what sin was, and apart from God, we could not live a life free of sin.

3.  Knowing this, God demanded that man to be forgiven by keeping the law.  God kept His end of the agreement, but we did not keep our end. We disobeyed God, committed sins, and the sacrifices we offered were not enough as they had to be done on a continual basis.  

4.  Thankfully, God's love for us sinners was greater than we could ever imagine.  He knew from the beginning that man could not live up to the laws that would provide salvation, so His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, was sent to pay for our sins on the cross.  This sacrifice was done once and for all people, so God's wrath and justice were satisfied forever.  And, this gift was offered to anyone willing to call on Him for salvation, to confess their sins, and to accept His gift of forgiveness.  It couldn't be earned any other way.  Good works without faith is not enough.  And, Christ died while we were sinners.  He didn't require us to get right with Him before we are saved.  Once we are forgiven by our trust in Him, His Holy Spirit enters our lives to help us resist the power of sin so that we are no longer slaves to sin.  We may fail at times, but He still forgives us and helps us to lead better lives in His power, and not our own.

5.  Many of the greatest people who ever lived understood the gospel or good news of God, and became believers in the finished work of Christ on the cross.  Most of the greatest scientists were Christians.  Countless others from the richest to the poorest were believers.  Every founder of the Ivy League colleges, except one, was a Christian.  Bach, Beethoven and Mozart were Christians, as was Pascal, Newton, Babbage, Carver, Von Braun, and thousands of others you have read about.  

I leave you with a couple questions and thoughts.  Why would God allow His only son to die a cruel death if there was another way for man to be forgiven of their sins?  He tried every other way, and they didn't work.  Christianity would collapse in a day if Christ had not risen from the dead.  His resurrection proves that He was the Messiah, sent to die in our place for the forgiveness of our sins.  Why is His grave the only vacant tomb of all the other so called founders of other religions?  By the way, Christ did not come to establish another religion.  He came to establish a relationship between sinful men and the one and only true God.  Christ's death was God's judgement against sin so that whosoever believed in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.  All past, present, and future sins were forgiven once and for all who place their trust in Christ.

I'm not going to hell when I die, not because I don't deserve to be there, but because my faith in His son's death and resurrection paid the ransom for my sins.  I have a received a pardon from God that He paid for.  Why would I reject that?  Why would you?  God does not send anyone to hell.  They send themselves because they have rejected his gift of salvation.

Amos 4:12 says "Prepare to meet God. "  Are you ready to face Him, and to give an account of your life?  You can be ready by turning to Him for salvation, and not trusting in your works.

I suggest you read the Book of John.  You may also read the testimony of Napoleon Bonaparte who was saved shortly before his death on the island of Saint Helena.  I would also recommend seeing the movie, "Paul, the Apostle of Christ."  You may find that these will be helpful in your search for a new life in Christ.

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csb: I attended what was called 'religious education,' which we called religious ed, for a few weeks in elementary school, which turned me off from organized religion to this day. Backstory: my father grew up in a very religious household. His mother went to church (Eastern Orthodox) at least twice a week, and expected the whole family to go on Sundays if not more often. My father, being a dutiful son, went along with that for quite a while. One Sunday, though, in his 17th year, he decided he didn't want to go to church anymore. So he didn't. He never talked much about his religious beliefs or lack thereof, but I'm pretty sure he's an atheist. So I was not raised in a religious household, and was surprised when my mother signed me up for this religious ed stuff; I guess she thought it would be good for me or something. I was probably going through one of my pretty much continual rebellious phases, so maybe that had something to do with it too.

Anyhoo, it was a way to get out of class for a couple hours on Wednesday afternoons, so I didn't fight it too hard. It was held in some church a couple of miles from the school, and the other religious ed folks and I took a bus. The church was old and smelled musty, and the pews were hard and uncomfortable. The speakers or teachers or whatever they were supposed to be were uninspiring. The first day I went they passed out copies of the Book of John, along with some instructions. Instructions were as follows:

1. Read the Book of John.

2. Read the Book of John 50 times.

3. Memorize the Book of John.

No, I'm not making that up. There was more, but I knew damn well I wasn't going to follow those instructions, so I don't remember what the rest of them were. I could recognize attempted indoctrination when I saw it, even at that age. I read the little book once, got the gist of it, and didn't bother with the rest. Stopped going to religious ed soon after that; it wasn't worth it. I could sit in class and draw pictures or whatever, and not have to put up with what I saw as prime, grade A bullshit.

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Hell was not created for man?

Counterpoint:

"Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man."

Q:  Why did God take a rib from Adam to create women?

A:  Because He had not yet invented wallets, money, and real estate.

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Surly needs a Quack's reboot to contain all this shit. The only thing that can make the CR worse is to bring religion explicitly into the fold. 

Perhaps you missed the GOP already doing that?  You can't discuss politics in the USA today without discussing evangelicals.

Don't blame me, I didn't invite those hypocritical fucksticks to the party.

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You know that the intersection between religion and politics is different than discussion of theology.

But hey, I don't really care.  We can keep all the non-political philosophical topics here.  Might as well mix up the pearls and swine real good.

 

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Favorite line from M*A*S*H
BJ to wounded soldier:  "Would you like to talk to Father Mulcahey?"
Soldier: "Okay, but I'm an athiest."
BJ:  "Really?"
Soldier:  "Swear to God!"

I will tell you one thing, no God I know is going to be determined (or not) from a Surly, Shaggy, or any other kind of board.  That would be the height of idiocy.

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8 minutes ago, Lurch said:

Proof that my book is true is RIGHT HERE IN MY BOOK!

That's my primary beef with religion. It's tautological. Our religion is right. How do you know that? It says so in our book. How do you know your book is right? Faith. How do you know your faith is warranted? It says so in our book. Ok then. 

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30 minutes ago, George Morgan said:

You are correct.  Religion without Christ is a waste of time.  It doesn't offer any assurance that your sins have been forgiven.  

There are literally hundreds of other religions that would completely disagree with your assertion. I'm sure that your invisible buddy is the RIGHT one though.

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Interesting note, the same word used for Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, φωσφόρος (phōsphoros — the ‘morning star’, Venus), is used to reference Jesus in Isaiah 14:12.

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I will tell you one thing, no God I know is going to be determined (or not) from a Surly, Shaggy, or any other kind of board.  That would be the height of idiocy.

I would (partially) disagree with this. There will obviously be some trolls that you should not take seriously in a thread like this one, but I find a place like Surly, Shaggy, and other message boards to be the perfect place to discuss faith based issues. In the real world you don't often have many frank discussions on religion with it being such a sensitive and uncomfortable topic. Here, though the level of anonymity give some people more flexibility to discuss issues and to actually disagree with one another without it becoming personal. 

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I would (partially) disagree with this. There will obviously be some trolls that you should not take seriously in a thread like this one, but I find a place like Surly, Shaggy, and other message boards to be the perfect place to discuss faith based issues. In the real world you don't often have many frank discussions on religion with it being such a sensitive and uncomfortable topic. Here, though the level of anonymity give some people more flexibility to discuss issues and to actually disagree with one another without it becoming personal. 

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Haha just kidding, you're right.

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2 hours ago, George Morgan said:

Many of you have displayed some interest in knowing if hell exists, and whether you or others may go there when you die.  Bear in mind, that Satan works overtime to convince people that He and hell doesn't exist.  That is the furthest thing from the truth.

Perhaps the following information from the Bible will help answer your questions:

1.  Hell was not originally created for man.  It was created for Satan and his angels or demons who rebelled against God in heaven and were cast out and sent to Earth.  Hell will be their eternal place of torment in the future.

2.  Because God made the world perfect in every way, He created man and woman in His image to enjoy His creation in perfect harmony with Himself.  Unfortunately, Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God,  and as a result, sin entered the world.  Our human nature was then altered so we became aware of what sin was, and apart from God, we could not live a life free of sin.

3.  Knowing this, God demanded that man to be forgiven by keeping the law.  God kept His end of the agreement, but we did not keep our end. We disobeyed God, committed sins, and the sacrifices we offered were not enough as they had to be done on a continual basis.  

4.  Thankfully, God's love for us sinners was greater than we could ever imagine.  He knew from the beginning that man could not live up to the laws that would provide salvation, so His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, was sent to pay for our sins on the cross.  This sacrifice was done once and for all people, so God's wrath and justice were satisfied forever.  And, this gift was offered to anyone willing to call on Him for salvation, to confess their sins, and to accept His gift of forgiveness.  It couldn't be earned any other way.  Good works without faith is not enough.  And, Christ died while we were sinners.  He didn't require us to get right with Him before we are saved.  Once we are forgiven by our trust in Him, His Holy Spirit enters our lives to help us resist the power of sin so that we are no longer slaves to sin.  We may fail at times, but He still forgives us and helps us to lead better lives in His power, and not our own.

5.  Many of the greatest people who ever lived understood the gospel or good news of God, and became believers in the finished work of Christ on the cross.  Most of the greatest scientists were Christians.  Countless others from the richest to the poorest were believers.  Every founder of the Ivy League colleges, except one, was a Christian.  Bach, Beethoven and Mozart were Christians, as was Pascal, Newton, Babbage, Carver, Von Braun, and thousands of others you have read about.  

I leave you with a couple questions and thoughts.  Why would God allow His only son to die a cruel death if there was another way for man to be forgiven of their sins?  He tried every other way, and they didn't work.  Christianity would collapse in a day if Christ had not risen from the dead.  His resurrection proves that He was the Messiah, sent to die in our place for the forgiveness of our sins.  Why is His grave the only vacant tomb of all the other so called founders of other religions?  By the way, Christ did not come to establish another religion.  He came to establish a relationship between sinful men and the one and only true God.  Christ's death was God's judgement against sin so that whosoever believed in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.  All past, present, and future sins were forgiven once and for all who place their trust in Christ.

I'm not going to hell when I die, not because I don't deserve to be there, but because my faith in His son's death and resurrection paid the ransom for my sins.  I have a received a pardon from God that He paid for.  Why would I reject that?  Why would you?  God does not send anyone to hell.  They send themselves because they have rejected his gift of salvation.

Amos 4:12 says "Prepare to meet God. "  Are you ready to face Him, and to give an account of your life?  You can be ready by turning to Him for salvation, and not trusting in your works.

I suggest you read the Book of John.  You may also read the testimony of Napoleon Bonaparte who was saved shortly before his death on the island of Saint Helena.  I would also recommend seeing the movie, "Paul, the Apostle of Christ."  You may find that these will be helpful in your search for a new life in Christ.

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3 hours ago, Viper said:

Interesting note, the same word used for Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, φωσφόρος (phōsphoros — the ‘morning star’, Venus), is used to reference Jesus in 1 Peter.

Well, it's not the same language.

Helel is the word in Isaiah which is the name for Venus as a pagan god.

Phosphoros is in 1 Peter and is Venus the planet (it does appear as a Greek god but that's not the context). It's the brightest body in the sky (sun and moon excluded).

"Morning star" comes from Revelations (two places).  And it's literally morning star in the greek: "proinos aster"

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If you need those kinds of assurances then you're already a shitty person.

Really,  the great questions that all people have about life are, "Where did I come from?', "Why am I here", and "Where am I  going after I die?"  The Bible is the only book that can answer those questions because it is the Word of God, our creator.  To know where you are going after you die is of immense importance to most people.  We can trust God's word to tell us the truth without having to rely on our opinions.  There has never been a book written like the Bible.  Over 300 predictions have come true, and no other book in history has been able to predict future events like the Bible has for many centuries.  Hundreds of thousands of scholars have studied the Bible and have not been able to discredit it.  It is the most amazing book ever written.

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Really,  the great questions that all people have about life are, "Where did I come from?', "Why am I here", and "Where am I  going after I die?"  The Bible is the only book that can answer those questions because it is the Word of God, our creator.  To know where you are going after you die is of immense importance to most people.  We can trust God's word to tell us the truth without having to rely on our opinions.  There has never been a book written like the Bible.  Over 300 predictions have come true, and no other book in history has been able to predict future events like the Bible has for many centuries.  Hundreds of thousands of scholars have studied the Bible and have not been able to discredit it.  It is the most amazing book ever written.

That whole Immaculate Conception thing seems suspect.

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Really,  the great questions that all people have about life are, "Where did I come from?', "Why am I here", and "Where am I  going after I die?"  The Bible is the only book that can answer those questions because it is the Word of God, our creator.  To know where you are going after you die is of immense importance to most people.  We can trust God's word to tell us the truth without having to rely on our opinions.  There has never been a book written like the Bible.  Over 300 predictions have come true, and no other book in history has been able to predict future events like the Bible has for many centuries.  Hundreds of thousands of scholars have studied the Bible and have not been able to discredit it.  It is the most amazing book ever written.
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