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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Can you elaborate on the bold?  Is there no separate self-defense in Ky?  Arguably, the murder statute itself encompasses both "sudden passion" and self-defense.

When the defendant is justified under KRS 503.050 to 503.110 in using force upon or toward the person of another, but he wantonly or recklessly injures or creates a risk of injury to innocent persons, the justification afforded by those sections is unavailable in a prosecution for an offense involving wantonness or recklessness toward innocent persons.

Ky. Rev. Stat. § 503.120

The officers who shot Taylor would not be permitted to argue self defense against a wanton murder charge or a reckless homicide charge.

Texas has a similar statute.

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She must have been walking through a spec-home construction sight earlier that day.

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She wasn't, she was hanging out with zero criminal record law-abiding approved to carry a firearm good citizen guy who defended her life with his firearm at risk to his own life. So I'd say calli

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You know what's fascinating here? The 2nd Amendment crowd -- you know the guys, you've seen 'em marching at a capitol building near you -- actually carry signs and rant about the evils of the gov

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Basically it matters who killed her, because if it was the cop blindly firing into the side of the apartment/thru the glass, he was reckless and loses the protection of the law because the dude in the apartment shot first. This it should have been murder, rather than reckless endangerment. But IANAL. 

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13 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

alright can someone please spell it out to me-  what should have been presented but wasn't and what was presented instead?

The AG led the public to believe the grand jury rejected homicide charges against the officers on the basis of self defense. Turns out the grand jury was not actually given an opportunity to consider homicide charges and the only charges they were actually empowered to indict on was the charge against the officer who shot through the neighbor's wall. So rather than the grand jury rejected charges against the officers, as the public was told, the grand jury actually indicted on 100% of the charges that were presented to them.

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16 hours ago, DanRydell said:

The AG led the public to believe the grand jury rejected homicide charges against the officers on the basis of self defense. Turns out the grand jury was not actually given an opportunity to consider homicide charges and the only charges they were actually empowered to indict on was the charge against the officer who shot through the neighbor's wall. So rather than the grand jury rejected charges against the officers, as the public was told, the grand jury actually indicted on 100% of the charges that were presented to them.

I might quibble with the term "empowered."  As a legal matter, I think the grand jury can do whatever it wants, although it is reliant on the DA/AG to prepare indictments and subpoenas.  At least I think that is the intention of grand juries.

As a practical matter, though, this is spot-on.

 

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800.832.0736 and type in room number *1605380# when prompted.

Kentucky Attorney General Cameron speaking with AEI today at 1:00p.  Obviously this topic will likely come up.  I never posted this information.  Obviously I'm part of the evil liberal CR cabal despite my decade long board involvement with AEI.  I can't wait for some of you to grow up and learn how the real world works.  Anyway, listen in today.  Be a true patriot and get engaged in crimes against your fellow Americans.  

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5 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Just watched the interview on GMA with the officer who killed Breonna. It was, uh, not a good look.

 

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/breonna-taylor-now-attached-rest-life-sgt-jon-73713345

Wow @ that shit.    He managed to fit in all the "back the blue" talking points.   Especially on George Floyd

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On 10/9/2020 at 8:40 AM, Neonmoon said:

Keystone cops lied on a warrant, didn't announce themselves, broke down a door, the homeowner with a legal firearm protecting his home fired one shot at the intruder, they returned fire in two volleys, totaling 40 shots or so, killing a unarmed citizen in bed. 

 

not factual

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6 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Just watched the interview on GMA with the officer who killed Breonna. It was, uh, not a good look.

 

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/breonna-taylor-now-attached-rest-life-sgt-jon-73713345

Holy shit, his argument is that they shouldn't have given them Taylor and boyfriend any time to "get their senses so they have an idea of what they're doing." Seriously, his solution to this event was to just storm in instead of waiting. That is in-fucking-sane. Fuck him. Jesus. 

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2 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

So, if the charges were never presented to the GJ, does that mean jeopardy didn't attach and murder charges could now be brought?

Correct. If a GJ decides to NOT indict, it does not trigger double jeopardy as the issue was never brought before a court of law

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3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

So, if the charges were never presented to the GJ, does that mean jeopardy didn't attach and murder charges could now be brought?

Double jeopardy doesn't attach to grand jury proceedings, at least not as applied by the US Constitution. I suppose some state could have a specific law or constitutional provision that does that, but I'm not aware of anything like that. 

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17 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Interesting. I thought it attached as soon as presented to the GJ. If it doesn't even attach after they've voted, then hopefully someone will have enough sense to impanel a new one. 

Lol, well I'm sure Mr. Cameron will jump right on that. Since he's been so concerned about justice so far

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Interesting. I thought it attached as soon as presented to the GJ. If it doesn't even attach after they've voted, then hopefully someone will have enough sense to impanel a new one. 

No, jeopardy usually attaches at the commencement of trial.  Of course, being lawyers, we can have an epic squabble over when does a trial commence.  And it's not like there's a starter with a gun or flag.

The usual common-law rule is when the jury is sworn, I believe.  It is altered by statute in some cases.

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Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

Oct. 27, 2020, 7:12 PM CDT / Updated Oct. 28, 2020, 9:37 AM CDT

By Janelle Griffith

Two grand jurors in the Breonna Taylor case said the actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police officers the day of the botched raid at her apartment were "negligent" and "criminal."

"They couldn't even provide a risk assessment," one of the anonymous grand jurors, identified as juror one, said in an interview scheduled to air Wednesday on "CBS This Morning." "And it sounded like they hadn't done one."

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"So their organization leading up to this was lacking," juror one said. "That's what I mean by they were negligent in the operation."

The other anonymous juror said that police were "criminal" leading up to the raid and that "the way they moved forward on it, including the warrant, was deception."

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That is clearly incorrect. The cops are heroes who protect us, and we all back the blue, and they are all that protect us from the wolves, and antifa, and...you know....those thugs.

So, those grand jurors are clearly mistaken. Wait, no, they’re lying, in league with antifa and BLM to destroy America.

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12 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That is clearly incorrect. The cops are heroes who protect us, and we all back the blue, and they are all that protect us from the wolves, and antifa, and...you know....those thugs.

So, those grand jurors are clearly mistaken. Wait, no, they’re lying, in league with antifa and BLM to destroy America.

And, if you are not willing to back them without question, you can’t call them to help you. They only have to help their supporters, not all tax payers. Man that sounds familiar. 

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5 minutes ago, huge said:

Ok so what if anything is going to come out of this, besides the $12M

Legally, not a whole lot.  The AG and all others involved can be ripped to shreds in the press and public opinion, but there's no real legal remedy for this other than maybe "recall" or voting him out next time he comes up.

It could be "done over," by the AG, or an assistant, or another DA/prosecutor with jurisdiction.   The feds can come in and charge the cops with civil rights violations, but not much can be done to the AG.

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1) falsify a search warrant to get legal cover to invade a black woman's home

2) kill black woman during invasion

3) local AG spikes case and lies to public on their process and GJ recommendations

4) legally smear and attack the surviving victim of the invasion, doubling down

 

Protect and serve, right guys? This is what american policing is all about, baby!

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It's just astonishing how all the cops and cop-adjacent criminal justice figures are just doubling down on the stupid.  The cops keep doing crimes and the criminal justice types that aid and abet them keep on aiding and abetting despite the fact that they are obviously under a microscope.

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It's just astonishing how all the cops and cop-adjacent criminal justice figures are just doubling down on the stupid.  The cops keep doing crimes and the criminal justice types that aid and abet them keep on aiding and abetting despite the fact that they are obviously under a microscope.

It's the only tool they have, consistent with their utterly limited way of thinking: brute force.  They are one giant hammer, and every challenge is a nail.  WHACK!

The problem for us is that it works really, really, really well.

The problem for them is that it works really, really, really well.....until it doesn't.

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Things not going well for Daniel Cameron...

Breonna Taylor grand jurors file petition to impeach Attorney General Daniel Cameron

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Three grand jurors in the Breonna Taylor case filed a petition with the state House of Representatives Friday, objecting to the conduct of Attorney General Daniel Cameron and calling for his impeachment.

This marks the third impeachment petition filed against a state official in recent weeks, following petitions filed against Gov. Andy Beshear and state Rep. Robert Goforth, which are now before a newly created impeachment committee in the House.

A press release indicated the attorney for three of the grand jurors in the Taylor case signed onto the petition on their behalf in order to protect their identities.

The petition alleges Cameron breached public trust and failed to comply with his duties by misrepresenting the findings of the grand jury in the Taylor case.

“The Grand Jurors did not choose this battle,” stated Kevin Glogower, the attorney for the three grand jurors. “This battle chose them. These are randomly selected citizens who were compelled to sit on a grand jury and were terribly misused by the most powerful law enforcement official in Kentucky. It is truly a testament to the Kentucky Constitution that they are able to be here today and to expose injustice and demand public accountability. I am honored and humbled to serve them.”

Spokespersons for Cameron did not immediately reply to a request for comment on the petition.

Cameron was special prosecutor in the Taylor case, investigating her fatal shooting by Louisville police officers entering her house on a search warrant in March. The grand jury indicted one of the three officers involved, for firing bullets into the apartment of Taylor's neighbor.

In the petition and verified affidavit submitted to the House, the petitioners state that at his Sept. 23 press conference announcing the grand jury decision, Cameron "said his office presented 'all of the information' and walked the Grand Jury through 'every homicide offense' before the Grand Jury came to its conclusion."

But according to those grand jurors, "neither Cameron nor anyone from his office mentioned any homicide offense to the grand jury. Not only were no homicide offenses presented as alleged, no charges of any kind were presented to the Grand Jury other than the three wanton endangerment charges against Detective Hankinson."

The petition goes on to allege that Cameron "deceived the American people and the citizens of this Commonwealth with regard to his office’s handling and involvement in the Breonna Taylor investigation and the resulting legal actions. Attorney General Cameron misled the public during his hour long national press conference in stating that his office’s investigation found … and the grand jury agreed that [police] were justified in the return of deadly fire after having been fired upon...”

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The petitioners also call for Cameron's impeachment for "incitement and support of insurrection and violence," citing his involvement with a Republican attorneys general organization that financed robocalls to protest at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

The Rule of Law Defense Fund — a fundraising arm of the Republican Attorneys General Association, where Cameron serves on the executive committee — called on people to march on the Capitol that day and called on Congress "to stop the steal. We are hoping patriots like you will join us to continue the fight to protect the integrity of our election."

 

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/lawyers-breonna-taylors-family-sue-police-existence-body/story?id=78753109

 

An attorney representing the family of Breonna Taylor filed a lawsuit on Wednesday claiming that the Louisville Metro Police Department may have given the public "misinformation" about the existence of body camera footage from before and after the raid of Taylor's home.

The lawsuit, filed in Jefferson County Circuit Court, claims police are withholding public records that would show whether there is additional body camera footage that could provide more details about the night Taylor was killed by police

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The lawsuit filed by an attorney for Taylor's family is requesting that a judge order the Louisville Metro Police Department to release body camera information under Kentucky's Open Records Act.

"Breonna's family has a right to the records," Taylor family attorney Sam Aguiar told ABC News in a statement. "The public has a right to the records."

"I'm just tired of the administration playing their games when it comes to open records," Aguiar continued in the statement. "No mother who lost a child should have to be lied to and deceived in the manner that this administration has done."

"So we're going to rely upon the Court system here to try and put these games to rest," he added.

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The lawsuit claims that LMPD still has not turned over an audit trail of the footage from the body cameras, as requested by Aguiar's office on June 1.

The audit trail would identify key details, including time of the recordings, the user and the identity of anyone who accessed the footage, according to the lawsuit.

That information "should assist in verifying whether Metro has been truthful to the public regarding the existence of footage," it adds.

The lawsuit says the public has "an uncompromised right to know whether undisclosed body camera footage exists, or otherwise previously existed, from LMPD Axon Cameras which related to the events surrounding the death of Breonna Taylor."

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10 hours ago, Captainant said:

But of course, Louisville PD can crank out a sizzle reel of body cam footage when they do a good thing. Really gives the impression they're trying to hide and protect the criminals in their ranks who murdered Breona Taylor. 

Forget the it-will-cost-too-much argument, I think every police officer in the US should have functioning body cam recording every single second they are on active duty.

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49 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Forget the it-will-cost-too-much argument, I think every police officer in the US should have functioning body cam recording every single second they are on active duty.

Louisville does have a system like that. And despite the PD's statements that no footage exists.... All those officers were wearing such a system. The ABC article I linked gives more detail, but the family's argument is that there should be SOME footage from SOMEWHERE, otherwise LMPD has been lying about their rollout of bodycams

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According to the lawsuit, several officers involved in the raid had been issued Axon body cameras with upgraded systems designed to signal nearby cameras to record automatically when a police vehicle's light bar turns on. "Most of the vehicles" at the scene had light bars activated, the suit states.

"At least one of the responding LMPD members" who was involved in the raid and "dozens of other LMPD members" who responded in police vehicles had light bars that were activated at one point or another, the suit adds.

"Simply put, it would have been difficult for most of the LMPD members with body cameras ... to not have had their Axon body cameras activated at one point or another" during the raid, the lawsuit states. "Even those who may have left cameras in vehicles or other locations should have been activated to an event mode from a buffering mode, so long as the camera was within range of Signal unit."

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So weird how the cops keeps lying to the public about the material facts of police criminality. It's a shame the same folks here on surly keep taking the bait and doing the cops work for them of criminalizing the mere act of being black, and then never show up once the truth actually comes out

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“The federal charges announced today allege that members of the Place-Based Investigations unit falsified the affidavit used to obtain the search warrant of Ms. Taylor’s home,” Garland said, adding “that this act violated federal civil rights laws and that those violations resulted in Ms. Taylor’s death.”

Garland also said the search warrant was sought while officers knew they lacked probable cause for the search. Jaynes and Goodlett, Garland said, falsely claimed officers verified the target of the alleged drug trafficking had received packages at Taylor’s address.

“Defendants Jaynes and Goodlett knew that was not true,” Garland said.

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Sick. 

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