My families Great American Adventure

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

So, been reading the CDC guidelines for school reopening and decided “fuck that shit” I ain’t sending my kids to school in that clusterfuck. Wife and I decided we are homeschooling at least through the end of calendar year 2020. 

We are buying a $5,000 camper and heading out across America to see what we can see. 

The rules are this- I don’t want to be anywhere for less than 1 week at a time. I don’t want to drive more than about 6 or 8 hours when traveling from 1 location to another. 

I have to work and the kids have to school from about 9-1:00 every Monday- Friday. After that I have to catch phone calls and texts when they come, and follow up around dinner time with anyone who is looking for me- but I should have a solid 4 or 5 hours after school/work before dinner, and then board games, nightly reading, kindle/tv time etc from summer to bedtime. 

I’m more or less skipping the deep confederacy. We are leaving June 1 and I want to get into cooler weather sooner rather than later. 

What should we absolutely do?

So far I’ve got on my list:

Hot springs Ark

Somewhere in tennessee

Appalachian mountains

coastal Carolina

july 4th fireworks on the mall (if they are doing it, reckon they will but who knows 

gettysburg

Plymouth Rock

nba hall of fame 

Maine 

baseball HOf

niagra falls

Wisconsin

minnesota (headwater of Mississippi River) 

badlands/rushmore

yellowstone

seattle (family)

camping in bend

redwood forests 

Napa (family there)

Monterey Peninsula

SoCal

Vegas

Grand Canyon

Santa Fe/ high desert

west Texas somewhere (anywhere cool between Santa Fe and heading back to houston?)

home for Christmas/New Years  

If school looks like it’s not a shit show we will enroll them for the second semester  

if it’s still a shit show we will hit the road again and do Deep South and maybe Midwest, which we kind of avoid in first cycle through the country  

Kids are 4th, 2nd and kindergarten  

curriculum will be:

reading- book about the place we are going that week

writing- journal the entire time

Culture/history- learn about the place and history where we are at

science- nature, biology, geology etc related to where we are at

math- budget for the trip - spending log of what we are doing - flash cards for add/subtract/multiply and divide, whatever math curriculum comes with their grade level (one subject that won’t be super topical for trip/schooling)

questions- what did I leave out that is must see in this country?

how can I enhance the curriculum with what we are trying to accomplish?

what would you do with those general parameters (I.E what does Wisconsin for a week look like? Carolina? Tennessee? Etc)

The plan is zero fast food, cook every meal ourselves, stay in camper or with family a couple places, no hotel/motel rooms- so nothing like- hey you’ve got to spend 3 days in Chicago and eat here and do this -we are campering it, but we can certainly take day trips into nearby cities and the like- if that makes sense  

want to do a bunch of outdoor stuff.  Want to be in the outdoors, hiking, playing, swimming etc.

Goals:  is for me to hit capacity at my business meaning no bullshit/ everything is intentional sales driven and I live in the green zone when I’m working

Give my kids a sense of awe and wonder about this country  

expose them to different places and people

improve their writing skills through journal, give them a lifetime full of memories that they will tell their kids and grandkids about

grow closer as a family 

teach kids self reliance 

read entire New Testament as a family

read entire Harry Potter book series ( we are half way through book 4 right now)

lose 50 pounds for me -tighten up a little for wife and eldest daughter

learn healthy eating habits 

spend less than $2500 a month (gas, electric hook ups for camper, food, park admissions)

make it until at least Christmas and come back feeling like we thrived and didn’t just hold on

teach my kids to be fearless and open to possibilities that the world presents itself

 

if you think this is a horrible idea and irresponsible and blah blah blah please go ahead and neg me- call me a cunt via PM or whatever you must do to make me feel awful about myself but don’t debate here what a terrible person I am for doing this in the time of the ‘Rona. Let’s leave this for:

1) where we have to go

2) what we shouldn’t miss

3) how we can do the school right

4) goals/things to be mindful of on the trip 

5) secrets to doing such a thing right if you’ve ever done the family/rv camping thing for an extended amount of time.  

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Telegraph_it 3357]

There are some posters here who took an RV to the Rose Bowl. It didn’t go great. 
 

Leave a few days for a break down or two. 

[utee94 15770]

Sure why not?  Document it here!

A couple questions, what do you know about RVs, and what are you getting for $5,000?  Please understand I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't do it-- I bought a vintage Airstream for $3,000 and restored it myself and camped in it with my family for 10 years.  Just trying to ascertain how much you know about it?  

I have no input on the homeschooling.

For itinerary, just go where you want to go.  But be mindful that over the next 6-12 months, different locations will be likely be having flare-ups with differing governmental responses.  Campgrounds and RV parks might get shut down again.  Or they might be held well below capacity.  Plan ahead and have backup plans too.

Sounds like fun, you should do it.

 

[Teddyballgame 441]

I give the “no fast food” about 2 days ...otherwise looks like trip to remember for a lifetime...best kind of trip is having no where to be except where you want to be..

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

I know nothing. I’ve been looking non Craig’s list for about 12 minutes time now and the $5000 price point seems to get you something that you tow- at about 23-30 feet, with working electricity and water power that’s 15-20 years old. Pretty no frills. 

Point taken on the flare ups and different state rules for RV parks. I imagine we will have to play it by ear and be willing to modify going from place to place at least 2 or 3 times. Saved west coast for last because figure by fall they will be opened. And milder weather. 

What can you tell me about RV’s. I don’t want anything particularly nice as my kids are savages. But I want functional and gonna work, obviously. 

I’ve got a stock 2018 F150. That shouldn’t have any problem pulling a 7000 pound rv- should it? 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

Just now, Teddyballgame said:

I give the “no fast food” about 2 days ...otherwise looks like trip to remember for a lifetime...best kind of trip is having no where to be except where you want to be..

Yeah- that will be hard. I’d like to think we can make it at least 2 weeks. 

[mdmost 42993]

If you can make it work, I'd hit every national park there is. This seems like a pipedream but if you can swing it, have at it. Would be fun to read as you go along. 

How are you going to get consistent internet to do your job remotely? 

[tx 3 putt 76733]

gettysburg - private tour guide is money well spent here

[Hank_Hill 18726]

If you do Vegas —> Grand Canyon I’d recommend (especially at that time of year) aiming for the North Rim and 1000% hitting Zion if you haven’t. I’ve been to Zion 4 times and I’m still not done with it.

[utee94 15770]

14 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I know nothing. I’ve been looking non Craig’s list for about 12 minutes time now and the $5000 price point seems to get you something that you tow- at about 23-30 feet, with working electricity and water power that’s 15-20 years old. Pretty no frills. 

Point taken on the flare ups and different state rules for RV parks. I imagine we will have to play it by ear and be willing to modify going from place to place at least 2 or 3 times. Saved west coast for last because figure by fall they will be opened. And milder weather. 

What can you tell me about RV’s. I don’t want anything particularly nice as my kids are savages. But I want functional and gonna work, obviously. 

I’ve got a stock 2018 F150. That shouldn’t have any problem pulling a 7000 pound rv- should it? 

Depends on how your F150 is setup.  7K dry weight could end up closer to 8-8.5K fully loaded with gear and with full propane tanks.  If you're carrying any water, then that adds even more.  But you should be able to find something that will work for you.  I can tell you lots about RVs, but also there's an RV thread here:

And a pickup truck thread here: 

And I have no idea why that pickup thread picture is upside down.  Maybe Bevo VIII took lessons from Amrybrat or something.

 

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

10 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Depends on how your F150 is setup.  7K dry weight could end up closer to 8-8.5K fully loaded with gear and with full propane tanks.  If you're carrying any water, then that adds even more.  But you should be able to find something that will work for you.  I can tell you lots about RVs, but also there's an RV thread here:

And a pickup truck thread here: 

And I have no idea why that pickup thread picture is upside down.  Maybe Bevo VIII took lessons from Amrybrat or something.

 

The 7k was fully loaded. Dry weight of 5500. Thanks for the pointing to Rv thread. 

[utee94 15770]

7 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The 7k was fully loaded. Dry weight of 5500. Thanks for the pointing to Rv thread. 

Yeah sure, post up your thoughts there and you can likely get all sorts of opinions chiming in.  This is the surl after all.

If you've got some links to ones you're considering I'd be happy to take a look and let you know what I think.

People often overlook the running gear.  Putting that many miles on a trailer that's already been well-used, you're probably going to need to spend some money there first and foremost.  Tires on RVs typically dry rot out before they wear out, any tire older than 5 years is pretty much done even if it only has a handful of miles on it.  Axles, bearings, etc.  That's where to focus first.  Then you can think about your amenities. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by utee94

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

12 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Yeah sure, post up your thoughts there and you can likely get all sorts of opinions chiming in.  This is the surl after all.

If you've got some links to ones you're considering I'd be happy to take a look and let you know what I think.

People often overlook the running gear.  Putting that many miles on a trailer that's already been well-used, you're probably going to need to spend some money there first and foremost.  Tires on RVs typically dry rot out before they wear out, any tire older than 5 years is pretty much done even if it only has a handful of miles on it.  Axles, bearings, etc.  That's where to focus first.  Then you can think about your amenities. 

Thanks. 

So, I’m a first class idiot about all things mechanical and have never pulled anything bigger than a trailer with a couple jet skis on them. What should I do to actually educate myself (other than read the RV thread which so far is above my pay grade) before I turn this thing into a fiasco?  

Edited May 22, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[LebongJames 1791]

First thing is you need to be somewhere with hookups if you are staying a week with a family. My wife and I can fill they gray tank which is 41 gallons in a 3 day weekend. The black tank has plenty of capacity.

Pretty much cooking/cleaning and showers for a family will be a lot with out sewer hookups

[workswithseed 2059]

It'd be cool if you came down i5 to meet up in Portland, but taking 101 is a way cooler drive on the west coast.

[LebongJames 1791]

Watch YouTube videos. Make sure truck has brake controller and get an anti sway hitch.

[utee94 15770]

11 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

Watch YouTube videos. Make sure truck has brake controller and get an anti sway hitch.

Yup, get a good hitching system with antisway and weight distribution.  And you'll absolutely need a brake controller, your RV trailer will have electric brakes and the output from the brake controller signals them when, and how hard, to brake.  Unless your truck had a max towing package or heavy payload package, then it probably does not have an integrated brake controller.  But it most likely has a pigtail for an after-market controller somewhere onboard.

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

16 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

First thing is you need to be somewhere with hookups if you are staying a week with a family. My wife and I can fill they gray tank which is 41 gallons in a 3 day weekend. The black tank has plenty of capacity.

Pretty much cooking/cleaning and showers for a family will be a lot with out sewer hookups

That was the plan, hook ups everywhere. Don’t need to get too adventurous. 

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

17 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

It'd be cool if you came down i5 to meet up in Portland, but taking 101 is a way cooler drive on the west coast.

I will hit you up sometime in October and maybe we can break bread somewhere. 

[utee94 15770]

15 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

First thing is you need to be somewhere with hookups if you are staying a week with a family. My wife and I can fill they gray tank which is 41 gallons in a 3 day weekend. The black tank has plenty of capacity.

Pretty much cooking/cleaning and showers for a family will be a lot with out sewer hookups

It's certainly easier with full 3-point hookups including sewer.  But lots of the national parks and state parks don't have sewer connections.  You can always dump to the portable "blue boy" and tote that over to the dump station.  It's a pain but if it means staying in a beautiful national park over a concrete-and-asphalt RV park, I'm generally willing to do it.  

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

If you can make it work, I'd hit every national park there is. This seems like a pipedream but if you can swing it, have at it. Would be fun to read as you go along. 

How are you going to get consistent internet to do your job remotely? 

If I have iPhone reception I’m working. I don’t need anything but my phone and a notepad to keep notes on. Will get a laptop bc it’s easier for me to do stuff myself, but I do have people who can handle anything I need done. A week without internet would be a pita. A week without cell reception is a non starter. I figure anywhere with hook ups is likely to have cell reception. 

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said:

If you do Vegas —> Grand Canyon I’d recommend (especially at that time of year) aiming for the North Rim and 1000% hitting Zion if you haven’t. I’ve been to Zion 4 times and I’m still not done with it.

Been to Zion once when I was about 10 years old. You are right, absolutely needs to be on the list. Thanks 

[utee94 15770]

4 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

That was the plan, hook ups everywhere. Don’t need to get too adventurous. 

If you do this for a year or something, then you'll get plenty adventurous.  But sure, start off slow and easy.

As far as general RV knowledge, I learned most of what I know on an Airstream specific forum.  It had details on all kinds of restoration projects that were specific to my era of vintage Airstreams, but also tons of general RV topics.  I'm certain there are general RV forums out there, it's a friendly and open community for the most part, but since I was also focused on restoration, I pretty much just stuck to the AirForums.

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

48 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Yeah sure, post up your thoughts there and you can likely get all sorts of opinions chiming in.  This is the surl after all.

If you've got some links to ones you're considering I'd be happy to take a look and let you know what I think.

People often overlook the running gear.  Putting that many miles on a trailer that's already been well-used, you're probably going to need to spend some money there first and foremost.  Tires on RVs typically dry rot out before they wear out, any tire older than 5 years is pretty much done even if it only has a handful of miles on it.  Axles, bearings, etc.  That's where to focus first.  Then you can think about your amenities. 

How about this one?

https://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/d/houston-30-ft-alumalite-holiday-rambler/7128041588.html

[Incredulity 11604]

I am 100% no sarcasm rooting for you.

that said, 

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[Wulaw Horn 19059]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I am 100% no sarcasm rooting for you.

that said, 

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Im really excited about the idea of this. I hadn’t considered any of the execution and now am borderline terrified I will mess up the mechanical part of it. 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Incredulity 11604]

1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Im really excited about the idea of this. I hadn’t considered any of the execution and now am borderline terrified I will mess up the mechanical part of it. 

 

Dead serious, I am jealous.  Would love to have the freedom to attempt that.

Much respect for getting even this far.  Give it hell.

[utee94 15770]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

How about this one?

https://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/d/houston-30-ft-alumalite-holiday-rambler/7128041588.html

Looks pretty clean for a 30 year old trailer.  You'll have to decide if the bed situation is going to work for you and your family. Your smallest will likely fit on the dinette convertible bed just fine.  I will say that in close quarters with smaller kids around, "adult time" can be more difficult to come by.  Getting the kids out and about on their own for a bit is beneficial to all.

On a trailer that old, I'd check for floor rot.  From the inside push your toe around the floor under the door, all windows, and everywhere in the bathroom you can.  That's where leaks occur.  If there's no bellypan underneath then you can do a visual check from below as well.  Floor rot's not necessarily the end of the world, it could still be campable, but eventually it gets to the point where replacement is mandatory, and that is neither cheap nor easy.  I did it for my Airstream, by myself, once upon a time!

Make sure the refrigerator works, it's likely a 2-way which means it will run on propane or 120VAC.  It might be a 3-way which means it would run on 12VDC as well.

Check the A/C and make sure it's blowing cold.  No real way to test the furnace until it actually does get cold.

Test the oven and microwave if you plan to use them.

All interior lights, it should have a 12V system that will run off the battery when it's not plugged in to 120VAC.

Also just look at the exterior for cracks or wear and tear that seems to be too bad.  It's a 30 year old trailer, it won't be perfect, but you should also not see daylight through random holes, know what I mean?

 

 

 

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

Thanks to all with any advice. I’m an idiot. Feel free to chime in. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

[6th Street 6373]

Why don't you do a trial run for a couple of weeks with an RV rental and see how you and your family like it before committing the rest of the year to something this ambitious. 

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Why don't you do a trial run for a couple of weeks with an RV rental and see how you and your family like it before committing the rest of the year to something this ambitious. 

Because that would be smart. And I’m not smart. I’m more of a burn the ships when we get to the new world kind of idiot. 

If it goes badly we will just come home with our tails tucked between our legs and resume life and sell whatever camper we bought. 

No half measures! 

[NoRagrets 1125]

I don’t know how comfortable I am with a regard that can’t use “families” and “family’s” correctly driving his family around our great country indoctrinating his children with shitty grammar.

[RPM 26297]

3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’ve got a stock 2018 F150. That shouldn’t have any problem pulling a 7000 pound rv- should it? 

1/2 ton truck pulling a RV cross country is just begging for the tranny to blow or the engine melt. I worked highway construction for 10 years and lived out of a 24ft Holiday Rambler. Took 3 moves to understand I needed a lot more truck or I was going to destroy my 1/2 ton Chevy. Bought a used F250 diesel and problem solved.

There's lots of things to consider when RVing. First is wind. Wind is a relentless motherfucker. It is a Honey Badger. If it can make your day go bad, it's pleased with itself. Second is grade. Long pulls on grade make everything (engine/trans/brakes) work harder and get hotter. Unless you have a towing package (and to be honest on a 1/2 ton they ain't much) shits gonna overheat and the locals are making a good living out in bumfuck where everybody breaks down. Third is the longer you're in it, the heavier it's going to get. Everybody picks up stuff and over time it really adds up. If you are running at or near the trucks weight limit starting out, you're going to be over it in a short time.

If you're serious about that 30' Alumalite you need a 1 ton (doesn't have to be a dually). A 3/4 ton would work if you just took it out on the weekends, but cross country? No f'n way. You want power, braking and suspension to spare, not at it's max capacity. This is your family, precious cargo. You should also know old RV's are a plumbing nightmare waiting to strike. All that crap was made out of cheap plastic and if it hasn't been cracked by freezing it's cracked by age. You have to buy special fixtures, they're a pita to replace and they're expensive. There's a reason I used the shower to fill my toilet for 3 years.

If it were me, I'd go Airstream or Avion. They're built like tanks, have a surprising amount of space and pull like a dream. You could pull one of those crosscountry with a 3/4 ton no sweat.

The last thing I need to mention is space. There isn't any. Throw privacy in there while we're at it. You are going to be in each others faces and business 24/7 with nowhere to go for a bit of peace. The fun/adventure can wear off pretty quick. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by RPM

[FartingMonk 3606]

As far as signal problems.  Just grab a few burner phones.  When I used to travel to the middle of nowhere for work.  I had my regular phone which was TMobile.  Work phone was ATT and then I grabbed a off the shelf Verizon burner.  One of those 3 networks will work

[RPM 26297]

Holy crap! Just reread and you have 3 kids. You seriously need to rethink your plans and scale down the time or scale up the trailer. 5 people in an RV for a year is highly unstable. You want max room. Forget the Airstream and get a 5thWheel with popouts. Oilfield is bust right now and you can pick them up for pennies on the dollar in the right places. Probably find a nice truck combo deal. It's a buyer's market in the oil patch. Money talks.

Here's a quick search for what you need. These will definitely require a 1 ton or larger. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by RPM

[52-80 19136]

Drive the Oregon trail.  Pay Indian guides to ford your RV across the rivers.  Try not to die of cholera.

[Brew 3049]

2 hours ago, RPM said:

Holy crap! Just reread and you have 3 kids. You seriously need to rethink your plans and scale down the time or scale up the trailer. 5 people in an RV for a year is highly unstable. You want max room. Forget the Airstream and get a 5thWheel with popouts. Oilfield is bust right now and you can pick them up for pennies on the dollar in the right places. Probably find a nice truck combo deal. It's a buyer's market in the oil patch. Money talks.

Here's a quick search for what you need. These will definitely require a 1 ton or larger. 

This, if you plan on working and they plan on doing school work, you are going to need more space than a pull behind will provide. There is also the safety factor to buying decent equipment. Troph picked up a nice diesel for $10k or so and add another $10k and you’re into a decent 5th wheel inside of 15 years old. If you want to make it work for 6+ months, $5k on a bumper pull is going to have you starting off with a problem. I would also take the other advice of spending a couple thousand on a rental for a short period and making sure it’s even something that works for you.

I’m all for the grand adventure. We’ve talked about something similar on a much smaller scale as our kids are wanting to see the National Parks out west. We would go for a couple weeks though, months locked up with them sounds like a miserable experience.

[HookEm 2460]

If you want to have a nice cool summer, you are headed the wrong direction.

I would start in the mountains of New Mexico and then hit all the west National Parks and the west coast. Then go east in the fall.

[midtown 3345]

I'd rather get covid then spend 6 months in an RV with family or anyone for that matter.     Statistically you are more likely to get covid on your trip so double win for you. 

[Brew 3049]

Quick search on RV Trader shows you can rent bumper pulls in TX for not much over $100 a night. Maybe you should rent one for a few days, try a local campground and driving around with it, and see if it’s something that still interests you after that experience. They will be 2019/2020 models so you can also see if the creature comforts are all they are cut out to be.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

If you re enroll your kids mid year their teachers will hate them unless their math and reading is on pace or ahead.  Public school teachers really take offense to home schooling (and charters even more). 

 

Also, good luck being able to get phone signal 100%.  I guess if you stay in tourists areas you'll be fine.  I know the national parks have wifi now in their buildings, but they are not building cell towers on their lands.  

You will drive each other crazy, I know because we have 3 kids about yours ages and we've been stuck in the 2000sqft house for 2 months.  Try spending a day this next week with everyone spending the whole day in the kitchen or outside.  

Other than that it's a great idea.  We don't play lottery, but if we did and won, we'd do something like this... In a 40ft motorhome though. 

[AustinMT 952]

Sounds awesome.  One tip on fireworks at the Mall:  daughter lived in DC 3+ years, and watched the fireworks every year.  Did it at the Mall one year, and said it was a clusterf***.  She said best view/place is to watch from the Marine Corp Memorial in Arlington (which was actually close to where she lived).  

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

3 hours ago, HookEm said:

If you want to have a nice cool summer, you are headed the wrong direction.

I would start in the mountains of New Mexico and then hit all the west National Parks and the west coast. Then go east in the fall.

Does the winter then become too cold?  Upper midwest in September and October, Maine in early novemeber?  I get what you are saying about the summer being gorgeous out west (other than the Vegas/Grand Canyon part- which would be, about a month from now) but yeah, that brings really cold into play. 

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

1 hour ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

If you re enroll your kids mid year their teachers will hate them unless their math and reading is on pace or ahead.  Public school teachers really take offense to home schooling (and charters even more). 

 

Also, good luck being able to get phone signal 100%.  I guess if you stay in tourists areas you'll be fine.  I know the national parks have wifi now in their buildings, but they are not building cell towers on their lands.  

You will drive each other crazy, I know because we have 3 kids about yours ages and we've been stuck in the 2000sqft house for 2 months.  Try spending a day this next week with everyone spending the whole day in the kitchen or outside.  

Other than that it's a great idea.  We don't play lottery, but if we did and won, we'd do something like this... In a 40ft motorhome though. 

Kids are above grade level right now.  My son had some issues in Kindergarten and he was failing.  We got him checked (maybe on the spectrum, definitely ADHD) and pulled him to home school for the last 2 or 3 months of kindergarten. He went from not being able to read or write in February to reading and writing at 4th grade level by enrollment in first grade.  He will be fine. 

Daughter isn't as smart as son but she's an achiever. She's reading/writing at 4th grade level in 3rd grade right now, so she should be fine there. She's a girl so I just figure she's always going to be bad at math and throw my hands up in the air at that (kidding people) but she's at grade level there. 

I'm sure we will drive each other nuts somewhat.  150 years ago families my size and bigger did this in a covered wagon and it was just baked in that 20% of them were going to die. I'm trying to recapture just a shade of this pioneer spirit for them.  Think (hope?) it will be worth the hassle. 

[utee94 15770]

You want to be in Maine in August, not in November.  I once spent the entire month of August in Maine for my first job out of college, and it was glorious.

In mid-November, average high is 49, average low is 34.  That sounds too much like "winter" to me.

 

[Hate 20105]

I haven’t read all of the recommendations here, but Land Between the Lakes would fit your Tennessee criteria. It’s a fantastic park in Western Tennessee and Kentucky. The park is on a peninsula between Kentucky Lake and Lake Barkley.

[CooterBrown 17976]

Have you planned on drugging your kids so you can bang your wife or are you just going to make them wait outside?

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

1 hour ago, AustinMT said:

Sounds awesome.  One tip on fireworks at the Mall:  daughter lived in DC 3+ years, and watched the fireworks every year.  Did it at the Mall one year, and said it was a clusterf***.  She said best view/place is to watch from the Marine Corp Memorial in Arlington (which was actually close to where she lived).  

Thanks.  I did a summer working for my congressman in DC and loved the mall, but we had a July 4th break, I was young and stupid, and went home instead of staying in DC for the 4th. Immediately regretted it. I was a dumbass. That's probably a pretty cool setting too. I'm a misanthrope and hate crowds and cluster fucks.

[Wulaw Horn 19059]

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

You want to be in Maine in August, not in November.  I once spent the entire month of August in Maine for my first job out of college, and it was glorious.

In mid-November, average high is 49, average low is 34.  That sounds too much like "winter" to me.

 

That's basically the entire reason I want to go east first.  That and upper midwest in September sounds fun.  In October/early november not as much fun.