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Spoiler alert- He's not going to testify voluntarily. He never was and never will. 

This is Trump's plan for everything. Talk big and then run out the clock. It's not going to work here. 

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 This is Trump's plan for everything. Talk big and then run out the clock. It's not going to work here. 

It's like 80-90% of his playbook. I've got tapes of Comey. We'll be announcing something very soon. You'll see how great our plan is; you just wait and see.

The other 10% is getting mad and doing something impulsive and ill-advised, like tariffs.

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My wing is the power nationally and in some states.  It is not the power in the reddest states.

With the exception of a few republicans, the GOP enmass has lined up behind Trump and the held their nose for Moore.  You don't get to pretend Trump doesn't own the GOP lock stock and barrel.   No washing your hands on this one.

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With the exception of a few republicans, the GOP enmass has lined up behind Trump and the held their nose for Moore.  You don't get to pretend Trump doesn't own the GOP lock stock and barrel.   No washing your hands on this one.

The GOP is 65MM voters and a gazillion elected officials.  It is not the President.

The Legislative Branch is the most powerful branch.  The election of Trump doesn't change, say, Cornyn and Cruz that much.  They are who they are.  So is the GOP Dogcatcher in Bugtussle.  He doesn't adopt new Trump dogcatching policies.

The Judicial Branch didn't become Trumpists.  Alito will still be Alito.  Even Gorsuch is not a Trumpist.

In the Executive Branch most appointees are not Trumpists.  When Trump appoints the US Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama or the Director of the US Mint he a a GOP guy, not a Trumpist.  Trump couldn't tell you who it is and hasn't met them.  Trump has very little impact on how they do their job.

A lot of you have very little clue how little power one person has and how much power the collective force of the people have.  And how much power a long history of culture has.  Put a new Police Commissioner in charge of the NYPD and 40K policemen and see what happens.  Or put a new CEO in charge of Sears.  It's like pushing on a string.  The CEO says move and nothing happens.  It doesn't work like a new football coach or a new sergeant.

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The GOP is 65MM voters and a gazillion elected officials.  It is not the President.

The Legislative Branch is the most powerful branch.  The election of Trump doesn't change, say, Cornyn and Cruz that much.  They are who they are.  So is the GOP Dogcatcher in Bugtussle.  He doesn't adopt new Trump dogcatching policies.

The Judicial Branch didn't become Trumpists.  Alito will still be Alito.  Even Gorsuch is not a Trumpist.

In the Executive Branch most appointees are not Trumpists.  When Trump appoints the US Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama or the Director of the US Mint he a a GOP guy, not a Trumpist.  Trump couldn't tell you who it is and hasn't met them.  Trump has very little impact on how they do their job.

A lot of you have very little clue how little power one person has and how much power the collective force of the people have.  And how much power a long history of culture has.  Put a new Police Commissioner in charge of the NYPD and 40K policemen and see what happens.  Or put a new CEO in charge of Sears.  It's like pushing on a string.  The CEO says move and nothing happens.  It doesn't work like a new football coach or a new sergeant.

You're so full of shit. 

 

The "GOP Dogcatcher" horseshit is the same horseshit you've been spewing for years.  You and your "GOP list".

If Ben Carson was on a "GOP list" for HUD, then the GOP list was put together by morons.  Same for Perry at Energy, and dozens, if not hundreds,  of other Trump appointees. 

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You're so full of shit. 

 

The "GOP Dogcatcher" horseshit is the same horseshit you've been spewing for years.  You and your "GOP list".

If Ben Carson was on a "GOP list" for HUD, then the GOP list was put together by morons.  Same for Perry at Energy, and dozens, if not hundreds,  of other Trump appointees. 

Cabinet appointments don't work the same way as appointments for the Director of the US Mint.  The Prez knows who Ben Carson is.  He does not know who the Director of the US Mint is.  He has nothing to do with the Sheriff of Madison County or the Madison County Tax Assessor.

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The GOP is 65MM voters and a gazillion elected officials.  It is not the President.
The Legislative Branch is the most powerful branch.  The election of Trump doesn't change, say, Cornyn and Cruz that much.  They are who they are.  So is the GOP Dogcatcher in Bugtussle.  He doesn't adopt new Trump dogcatching policies.
The Judicial Branch didn't become Trumpists.  Alito will still be Alito.  Even Gorsuch is not a Trumpist.
In the Executive Branch most appointees are not Trumpists.  When Trump appoints the US Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama or the Director of the US Mint he a a GOP guy, not a Trumpist.  Trump couldn't tell you who it is and hasn't met them.  Trump has very little impact on how they do their job.
A lot of you have very little clue how little power one person has and how much power the collective force of the people have.  And how much power a long history of culture has.  Put a new Police Commissioner in charge of the NYPD and 40K policemen and see what happens.  Or put a new CEO in charge of Sears.  It's like pushing on a string.  The CEO says move and nothing happens.  It doesn't work like a new football coach or a new sergeant.

Here’s a simple rebuttal: you’re wrong.

I have seen and continue to see Trumpism filter down to positions that yes, are on par with dogcatcher.

It’s an infectious approach to dealing with the world, and it is indeed spreading through our leadership on every level. I see it, I have to deal with it. Little rinky dink offices, with folks acting almost EXACTLY like Trump. They are enabled, encouraged, and empowered to do so.

Before, they had the restraint to at least nod to common decency. Now, they don’t even try. They don’t have to.

And what feeds it is the local leaders (like you) saying it’s ok, or at least turning a blind eye.

You’re just flat wrong on this one. I’m out there among them. You’re lying to yourself to try to exculpate yourself. It’s not working.
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And what feeds it is the local leaders (like you) saying it’s ok, or at least turning a blind eye.

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Leaders like me are in charge of deciding whether the phone bank volunteers show up at 2 or at 3, whether Susie should bring soft drinks and whether the candidate's campaign  will supply them.  We  do not give instructions to Congressmen.  Now maybe I can be one of 2,000 that talk to the Congressman this month but he doesn't take orders from me, or even Trump.

You are confused about how this works.

Now I agree that Trump can energize the crazies.  It's like when Obama got elected and people were telling police that they couldn't arrest them because Obama ...  Trump can even get the Senate to introduce different bills.

Trump brought some new people to the GOP.   These people didn't show up and take over the Alabama State Legislature or the Madison County GOP. 

I don't even know what a Trumpist is.  It's more of a cult following than any coherent policy position.  Trumpism is about noise and theater not a change in governance.

I was looking at brochures for the GOP primary.  For my curiosity I wondered if I could find any position that an opponent would not support.  So if a candidate says he supports family values and his opponent says he does too he gets no credit.  If he says he supports higher tariffs on steel and his opponent says he wants lower tariffs I give credit.  Nobody got any credit.  There is no Trumpist platform.

Can you identify any positions that legislators have that they didn't have before Trump?  I can't.  Trump is like a new cult leader, not like a new religion.  I have no idea what his positions really are.  It's just today's reality TV episode.  It doesn't even make sense.  It is NOT the basis for a new GOP. 

The GOP is the same people with the same positions.  What you are seeing is the shiny coin the magician has you watching.  You are seeing Billy Bob and the reality TV show that Trump is directing.  That is neither governance nor the GOP.  It is just TV.

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That is very bad for him.

Like very bad.

Trump's used to most women being repulsed by him. The 34% approval among women is probably the most women that have ever had a positive thought about that shitgibbon than at any other time in his life. 

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Leaders like me are in charge of deciding whether the phone bank volunteers show up at 2 or at 3, whether Susie should bring soft drinks and whether the candidate's campaign  will supply them.  We  do not give instructions to Congressmen.  Now maybe I can be one of 2,000 that talk to the Congressman this month but he doesn't take orders from me, or even Trump.

You are confused about how this works.

Now I agree that Trump can energize the crazies.  It's like when Obama got elected and people were telling police that they couldn't arrest them because Obama ...  Trump can even get the Senate to introduce different bills.

Trump brought some new people to the GOP.   These people didn't show up and take over the Alabama State Legislature or the Madison County GOP. 

I don't even know what a Trumpist is.  It's more of a cult following than any coherent policy position.  Trumpism is about noise and theater not a change in governance.

I was looking at brochures for the GOP primary.  For my curiosity I wondered if I could find any position that an opponent would not support.  So if a candidate says he supports family values and his opponent says he does too he gets no credit.  If he says he supports higher tariffs on steel and his opponent says he wants lower tariffs I give credit.  Nobody got any credit.  There is no Trumpist platform.

Can you identify any positions that legislators have that they didn't have before Trump?  I can't.  Trump is like a new cult leader, not like a new religion.  I have no idea what his positions really are.  It's just today's reality TV episode.  It doesn't even make sense.  It is NOT the basis for a new GOP. 

The GOP is the same people with the same positions.  What you are seeing is the shiny coin the magician has you watching.  You are seeing Billy Bob and the reality TV show that Trump is directing.  That is neither governance nor the GOP.  It is just TV.

The fuck it is. The GOP is losing their bright and decent people out the margins left and right. The miscreants you are surrounded by now are not George Will and Ronald Reagan, it is Pat Buchanan and his ilk. You can delude yourself all you want, but the rest of us see the clowns you are hanging out with and know you've joined the circus. 

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Leaders like me are in charge of deciding whether the phone bank volunteers show up at 2 or at 3, whether Susie should bring soft drinks and whether the candidate's campaign  will supply them.  We  do not give instructions to Congressmen.  Now maybe I can be one of 2,000 that talk to the Congressman this month but he doesn't take orders from me, or even Trump.

You are confused about how this works.

Now I agree that Trump can energize the crazies.  It's like when Obama got elected and people were telling police that they couldn't arrest them because Obama ...  Trump can even get the Senate to introduce different bills.

 Trump brought some new people to the GOP.   These people didn't show up and take over the Alabama State Legislature or the Madison County GOP. 

 I don't even know what a Trumpist is.  It's more of a cult following than any coherent policy position.  Trumpism is about noise and theater not a change in governance.

 I was looking at brochures for the GOP primary.  For my curiosity I wondered if I could find any position that an opponent would not support.  So if a candidate says he supports family values and his opponent says he does too he gets no credit.  If he says he supports higher tariffs on steel and his opponent says he wants lower tariffs I give credit.  Nobody got any credit.  There is no Trumpist platform.

 Can you identify any positions that legislators have that they didn't have before Trump?  I can't.  Trump is like a new cult leader, not like a new religion.  I have no idea what his positions really are.  It's just today's reality TV episode.  It doesn't even make sense.  It is NOT the basis for a new GOP. 

 The GOP is the same people with the same positions.  What you are seeing is the shiny coin the magician has you watching.  You are seeing Billy Bob and the reality TV show that Trump is directing.  That is neither governance nor the GOP.  It is just TV.

The change is more than style or theater. Look no further than what happened to Joe Straus here in Texas. Republican primary voters no longer support the Eisenhower wing (right-of-center moderates and chamber of commerce or country club conservatives). They're more enthralled by the clown car wing (Donald Trump, Roy Moore, Danny Goeb, Rick Perry).

Trumpism isn't about being more conservative; it's a philosophy based on magical thinking with a bad attitude: intentional ignorance, brash bullying, fantastical nostalgia, anti-intellectualism, and rabid populism. Those are the traits sought after and supported by the Republican primary electorate. And until that scourge is scrubbed from the body-politic, it is now the base of the Party. Unfortunately, Trump is the perfect avatar for that movement and is now the face of your party, and he owns y'all now.
 

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GOP Primaries Focus On Candidates' Loyalty To President Trump

The final Indiana Senate Republican debate ahead of Tuesday's primary election was not exactly a battle of ideas because, as the moderator noted at the top, there isn't much ideological diversity between the three candidates in the race.

"They agree that when it comes to immigration that a wall should be built along the border with Mexico. They also agree that the Russia investigation is quote a 'witch hunt' and must end now," said moderator Abdul Hakim-Shabazz. "And they're also strong supporters of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, and they support arming teachers in the classroom. So we will not spend any time on those issues in the questioning."

The number one question from Hoosiers was about the candidates' support for President Trump, and they wanted specifics on where they disagreed with him. Much like job candidates asked by a prospective employer what their weaknesses are, they couldn't identify any.

Rep. Todd Rokita touted his support for Trump during the 2016 campaign. "The president knows that I had his back when he needed it most: against crooked Hillary Clinton," he said. Rival Rep. Luke Messer praised Trump's North Korea strategy. "President Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize," he said. While businessman Mike Braun highlighted his parallel to Trump as the political outsider in the race. "I'm on record saying President Trump was the inspiration for why I ran and he needs more reinforcements like me," he said.

Rokita, Messer and Braun are locked in a tight battle for the GOP nomination to face off against incumbent Democratic Rep. Joe Donnelly in November.

Echoes of this primary dynamic are playing out in GOP primaries in congressional and gubernatorial races all over the country right now, where Republican candidates are in lockstep with Trump's agenda and waging campaigns over the more nuanced question of which candidate voters believe will be the most loyal fighter for President Trump.

Despite low national approval ratings, a steady stream of administration controversies and the ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election led by Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller, nothing has shaken President Trump's enduring popularity among Republicans, where his approval ratings hover around 90 percent.

Veteran House and Senate campaign strategist Andrea Bozek says in 2018 Republicans are less concerned with the old, familiar metrics that used to drive primary campaigns, like conservative vote ratings, or whether candidates had signed an anti-tax pledge. "I think now it's how much support have you given the president in the past, and what can you do to support his agenda going forward?" she said. 

The conservative groups that used to drive those wedges in primary campaign debates, like the anti-tax Club for Growth, agree that the politics of Trump's personality are a more decisive factor in this political environment. The group's president, David McIntosh, says Republicans primary voters see a president under siege, by Democrats and the media, and they are motivated above all else to vote for the candidate who will fight on his behalf.

"Republican primary voters think we need to send people to Washington who will back him up because he's under attack, and so I think the urgency of that phenomena has created the personality test to be larger than the ideology or the issue test," he said.

Club for Growth is engaged in more than a dozen House and Senate primaries, and even where the attack ads involve policy issues like health care, the message is centered on where the candidate is in relation to the president. For instance, in an open Ohio House race, the Club's latest attack ad hits their opponent as someone who is "Not on Trump's side—or yours."

Ohio also holds primary elections on Tuesday, May 8. In the gubernatorial race, Republicans Mike DeWine and Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor are engaged in another contentious primary in which their campaign attack ads highlight the others' lack of support for Trump. "She claims she's conservative but Taylor refused to endorse Donald Trump for president over Hillary Clinton," states one DeWine line of attack.

Democrats also face an open gubernatorial primary, with former Ohio Attorney General and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau head Richard Cordray and former Rep. Dennis Kucinich competing for the nomination.

In West Virginia's three-way Republican Senate primary, also taking place Tuesday, Rep. Evan Jenkins is hoping the fact that he was the first to endorse Trump back in the 2016 campaign will help him edge out rivals, state Attorney General Patrick Morrisey and former coal executive and convicted felon Don Blankenship. It's a line of attack he used a Fox News debate this week.

"Who did you vote for in the May primary in West Virginia, I endorsed and voted for Donald Trump. Who did you vote for?" Jenkins said to Morrisey during this week's Fox News debate. "I support the president," Morrisey responded.

The winner of Tuesday's primary will take on incumbent Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin in November.

This entire GOP strategy of aligning tightly with Trump on his agenda and mirroring his rhetoric is bucking the conventional wisdom of midterm elections, where the president's party historically loses seats in Congress and candidates traditionally look to keep their distance from the White House. 

GOP pollster John McLaughlin, who worked on Trump's 2016 campaign, says if Republican candidates want to get the Trump voter to turn out this year, it makes sense to run as close to Trump as possible. "The Democrats organically are getting out their anti-Trump vote, and the Republicans need to get out that pro-Trump voter who didn't vote in 2014, but came out in 2016 because of Donald Trump."

That strategy is not without risks. Republicans running as mini-Trumps in primaries could be making themselves more vulnerable in the November general election where a more competitive and diverse electorate will decide the winner.

Operatives like McIntosh say Republicans have made a different calculation about 2018. "I think the old formula is that you want the purple-y candidate or the squishy candidate so he can appeal to both sides in the general election is a recipe for failure for Republicans this year," he said.[/spoiler]

 

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The fuck it is. The GOP is losing their bright and decent people out the margins left and right. The miscreants you are surrounded by now are not George Will and Ronald Reagan, it is Pat Buchanan and his ilk. You can delude yourself all you want, but the rest of us see the clowns you are hanging out with and know you've joined the circus. 

Let's take your example.  I think it's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  George Will is  the same as he was.  George Will did not change his position on trade because of Trump.  George Will still writes his columns for the Washington Post.  He didn't go anywhere.  Trump didn't replace him at the Post with a Trumpist.  Trump didn't get me to start liking Buchanan instead of Will.  Will didn't go anywhere.  I didn't go anywhere .  Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and so on are all still here, part of the 65MM people who make up the coalition which is the GOP.  People's influence ebbs and flows, but I see no realignment or major change in who has a seat at the table.

How many GOP US Senators will be replaced by a Trumpist?  20 of 51?  Or 1?  Or zero?  It's the same crowd.  They may parrot some popular Trump rhetoric but they aren't new people with new ideologies.  

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Let's take your example.  I think it's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  George Will is  the same as he was.  George Will did not change his position on trade because of Trump.  George Will still writes his columns for the Washington Post.  He didn't go anywhere.  Trump didn't replace him at the Post with a Trumpist.  Trump didn't get me to start liking Buchanan instead of Will.  Will didn't go anywhere.  I didn't go anywhere .  Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and so on are all still here, part of the 65MM people who make up the coalition which is the GOP.  People's influence ebbs and flows, but I see no realignment or major change in who has a seat at the table.

How many GOP US Senators will be replaced by a Trumpist?  20 of 51?  Or 1?  Or zero?  It's the same crowd.  They may parrot some popular Trump rhetoric but they aren't new people with new ideologies.  

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Ideological consistency no longer matters as Trumpism cannot be defined by the normal liberal/conservative binary construct. But your party's base doesn't seem to care and only concerned with demanding loyalty to Trump, and those who can't stomach it are leaving by the droves as witnessed by the number of congressmen retiring. There's a changing of the guard happening within your Party right now that you seem blind to. I can understand you not wanting to see it, but it's as plain as day to those of us on the outside.

I'm sorry your Party has gone the Idiocracy route, Tahoe. It must be painful to witness, much less admit.

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The change is more than style or theater. Look no further than what happened to Joe Straus here in Texas. Republican primary voters no longer support the Eisenhower wing (right-of-center moderates and chamber of commerce or country club conservatives). They're more enthralled by the clown car wing (Donald Trump, Roy Moore, Danny Goeb, Rick Perry).

Trumpism isn't about being more conservative; it's a philosophy based on magical thinking with a bad attitude: intentional ignorance, brash bullying, fantastical nostalgia, anti-intellectualism, and rabid populism. Those are the traits sought after and supported by the Republican primary electorate. And until that scourge is scrubbed from the body-politic, it is now the base of the Party. Unfortunately, Trump is the perfect avatar for that movement and is now the face of your party, and he owns y'all now.
 

 

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I understand.  I'm sure I have more of a concern with the problem than you.  And more understanding of it.  I'm not saying that there is no change in the GOP.  Or that Trumpism isn't causing damage.  I just see it as more of an unwise temper tantrum with no staying power.  It is populism that will fall under its own weight.

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I understand.  I'm sure I have more of a concern with the problem than you.  And more understanding of it.  I'm not saying that there is no change in the GOP.  Or that Trumpism isn't causing damage.  I just see it as more of an unwise temper tantrum with no staying power.  It is populism that will fall under its own weight.

I fucking hope so, because this country needs to have more than one sometimes stable voice and one blithering idiot scream. I'd love to see the Republican Party return to its pre-dittohead, George Will, Bill Buckley days, but I'm afraid that's no longer in the cards.

Sometimes, I imagine myself standing at the corner of 6th and Congress smoking a cigarette. Here comes an annoying do-gooder enviro-hippie chick with hairy armpits smelling of patchouli asking me to donate to save children and puppies in Patagonia. Then, there's some ranting and raving angry homeless lunatic making a fuss about space alien gay frogs infecting swimmers in Barton Springs.

Right now, moderates and liberals like me are more likely to side with Patagonian puppies than going out and gigging a bunch of Martian amphibians.

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Leaders like me are in charge of deciding whether the phone bank volunteers show up at 2 or at 3, whether Susie should bring soft drinks and whether the candidate's campaign  will supply them.  We  do not give instructions to Congressmen.  Now maybe I can be one of 2,000 that talk to the Congressman this month but he doesn't take orders from me, or even Trump.
You are confused about how this works.
Now I agree that Trump can energize the crazies.  It's like when Obama got elected and people were telling police that they couldn't arrest them because Obama ...  Trump can even get the Senate to introduce different bills.
Trump brought some new people to the GOP.   These people didn't show up and take over the Alabama State Legislature or the Madison County GOP. 
I don't even know what a Trumpist is.  It's more of a cult following than any coherent policy position.  Trumpism is about noise and theater not a change in governance.
I was looking at brochures for the GOP primary.  For my curiosity I wondered if I could find any position that an opponent would not support.  So if a candidate says he supports family values and his opponent says he does too he gets no credit.  If he says he supports higher tariffs on steel and his opponent says he wants lower tariffs I give credit.  Nobody got any credit.  There is no Trumpist platform.
Can you identify any positions that legislators have that they didn't have before Trump?  I can't.  Trump is like a new cult leader, not like a new religion.  I have no idea what his positions really are.  It's just today's reality TV episode.  It doesn't even make sense.  It is NOT the basis for a new GOP. 
The GOP is the same people with the same positions.  What you are seeing is the shiny coin the magician has you watching.  You are seeing Billy Bob and the reality TV show that Trump is directing.  That is neither governance nor the GOP.  It is just TV.

Your last para couldn’t be more wrong. I’m not talking about folks on TV - I’m taking about real leaders in real places, getting no press whatsoever. It’s not about positions (the Trumpist platform is mostly about shitting on immigrants and your political opponents) - it’s about behavior, and how leaders treat their fellow human beings.

And you don’t get your role in this. Wait...you do...you just don’t want to face it.

I remember making a smart-ass comment as a teen when we were guests at someone’s house. One of my dad’s co-workers - an older man I respected - said “brisket, we don’t talk to people that way when we’re a guest in their home.” It was a one-sentence rebuke. It resonated like hell. And it stuck.

You have the opportunity and responsibility to speak up and speak out to tell people that this sort of behavior is not ok.

But you’ve abdicated your responsibility and authority. Because you’re like most all of the GOP leadership I’ve seen in action lately - you’re a coward.
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I fucking hope so, because this country needs to have more than one sometimes stable voice and one blithering idiot scream. I'd love to see the Republican Party return to its pre-dittohead, George Will, Bill Buckley days, but I'm afraid that's no longer in the cards.

Sometimes, I imagine myself standing at the corner of 6th and Congress smoking a cigarette. Here comes an annoying do-gooder enviro-hippie chick with hairy armpits smelling of patchouli asking me to donate to save children and puppies in Patagonia. Then, there's some ranting and raving angry homeless lunatic making a fuss about space alien gay frogs infecting swimmers in Barton Springs.

Right now, moderates and liberals like me are more likely to side with Patagonian puppies than going out and gigging a bunch of Martian amphibians.

Oh, I get the concept.  But I'm going with the homeless lunatic.  I'll smile at him and nod.  That's better than giving money to the hippie chick.  ;)

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I fucking hope so, because this country needs to have more than one sometimes stable voice and one blithering idiot scream. I'd love to see the Republican Party return to its pre-dittohead, George Will, Bill Buckley days, but I'm afraid that's no longer in the cards.

They were all hacks too.  They could apply sane, well reasoned, pithy arguments against the Dems while suspending the same critique for the Republicans.  Hell, they were the fore fathers of party over country.  If they could see their party today running pedo's, they would be touting Benghazi and uranium like the rest of 'em.

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Oh, I get the concept.  But I'm going with the homeless lunatic.  I'll smile at him and nod.  That's better than giving money to the hippie chick.  ;)

I guess here is where we come to a fundamental difference between you and me. I choose the annoying do-gooder trying to save lives. You choose to go smile and nod at the homeless lunatic who's hoping to stab them to death.

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4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I guess here is where we come to a fundamental difference between you and me. I choose the annoying do-gooder trying to save lives. You choose to go smile and nod at the homeless lunatic who's hoping to stab them to death.

I thought it was frogs, not people.

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3 minutes ago, TahoeHorn said:

I thought it was frogs, not people.

The choice was between saving children and Patagonia puppies vs. gigging space alien gay frogs.

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11 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

They were all hacks too.  They could apply sane, well reasoned, pithy arguments against the Dems while suspending the same critique for the Republicans.  Hell, they were the fore fathers of party over country.  If they could see their party today running pedo's, they would be touting Benghazi and uranium like the rest of 'em.

I'm pretty sure George Will, David Brooks, Bill Kristol, and even Krauthammer have been vocal in their rejection of Trumpism. Sure, they can all be partisan hacks to a certain extent, but they have all publicly decried Donald Trump.

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Why argue with Tahoe-it’s their glory age. There’s gotta be some precincts 95% GOP in Alabama. Its on lockdown there. Took a pedo to lose, barely. He’s proud of his work and tries to sound all reasonable to the eggheads, stoners, dweebs, losers, geeks and jocks on this site.

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He's proud of his work, or he'd quit. He's ashamed to openly admit it on here amongst Texas grads. He's probably quite vocal about it while yucking it up over donuts with his Bugtussle, Alabama friends. 

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