Donald Trump 2018

[Brisketexan 105097]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

While this approach would be effective at getting democrats in office, it would be equally destructive on society.

They don’t have to propagate lies and falsehoods.  They need to tap into winning hearts and minds with sincere emotional rhetoric, the Obama demagoguery model if you will.

Fighting with one hand tied behind your back is a recipe for defeat.  I'm just calling it like I see it.  The ante has been raised, significantly.  The lies and propaganda are much more emotionally inflammatory than what Obama was selling.  He was selling wine.  The GOP is now selling Fireball.  If you wanna win, you gotta provide something more stout than 66 proof.  It's an arms race of intoxicating deception -- the only way to win is to get to point Everclear.  That also happens to be when we all lose.  Because -- punch line -- there is no winning anymore.  Only different ways of losing.

[Mo Horn 8832]

15 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Please tell me that's Marshall's interpretation and not a direct quote. 

[retread 2951]

The lies coming from the WH are bad enough, but lies and corruption by subordinates is also becoming normalized. Useful toadies like Sessions and Nielsen are more than willing to do Cheeto's bidding to pad their resumés and get better status with DOTUS.

Edited June 18, 2018 by retread

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Please tell me that's Marshall's interpretation and not a direct quote. 

Not direct quote.

But this isn’t about the wall, it’s about power.

[RomaVicta 29905]

32 minutes ago, retread said:

Man this is some all-time evil shit emanating from the orange sociopath. Beating Ds over the head with the lives of young children being held in prison camps.

I wish the Dems had a great leader who could succinctly and articulately speak against Trump and have the minimum balls it would require to introduce a resolution that the United States does not support separating small children from their mothers nor does it support referring to these mothers as dangerous criminals who pose an existential threat to the proud and strong United States of America.

Further let it be resolved that the Congress of the United States recognizes and profoundly values the long established good relations with the nations of Europe, Asia, Africa as well as the nation that is Australia, whom have been staunch allies and friends through good and hard times. Congress is determined that those relations be ongoing.

Lastly, let it be resolved that the United States of America opposes tyranny anywhere in the world. Peaceful relations with such nations should not be understood to be support for tyranny.  Congress deplores the attempt to spread tyranny through any means as best demonstrated by Vladimir Putin of Russia.

[Mo Horn 8832]

4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I wish the Dems had a great leader who could succinctly and articulately speak against Trump and have the minimum balls it would require to introduce a resolution that the United States does not support separating small children from their mothers nor does it support referring to these mothers as dangerous criminals who pose an existential threat to the proud and strong United States of America.

Further let it be resolved that the Congress of the United States recognizes and profoundly values the long established good relations with the nations of Europe, Asia, Africa as well as the nation that is Australia, whom have been staunch allies and friends through good and hard times. Congress is determined that those relations be ongoing.

Lastly, let it be resolved that the United States of America opposes tyranny anywhere in the world. Peaceful relations with such nations should not be understood to be support for tyranny.  Congress deplores the attempt to spread tyranny through any means as best demonstrated by Vladimir Putin of Russia.

You want succinct? 

Let it be resolved that the President is an idiot and does not deserve to hold the office. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

I mean, it's not a direct quote, but it's a pretty accurate characterization.

[atomheartbevo 89654]

29 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Yeee haaaw... we doing the Space Force.

Guess the extra deficit wasn’t big enough already. 

Holy shit, thought you were kidding.  He went full retard today. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fighting with one hand tied behind your back is a recipe for defeat.  I'm just calling it like I see it.  The ante has been raised, significantly.  The lies and propaganda are much more emotionally inflammatory than what Obama was selling.  He was selling wine.  The GOP is now selling Fireball.  If you wanna win, you gotta provide something more stout than 66 proof.  It's an arms race of intoxicating deception -- the only way to win is to get to point Everclear.  That also happens to be when we all lose.  Because -- punch line -- there is no winning anymore.  Only different ways of losing.

Could also go with the Bullworth approach which is a truck ton of brutal and unpleasant truths about the current situation in America.

 

 

[deech 2274]

31 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, Hillary tried that.  Just go back and read some of her campaign speeches on Trump.  She called out everything.

The facts don’t matter anymore.   

Emotional appeal is the only thing that wins people over.

Sorry, if everyone ignores a messenger they hate.  It doesn't mean facts do not matter.  It just means that the messenger sucks.

[Red Five 40853]

Holy shit, thought you were kidding.  He went full retard today. 

I wonder what kind of top secret UFO info Trump got.

[atomheartbevo 89654]

Just now, Red Five said:

 

I wonder what kind of top secret UFO info Trump got.

 

He stumbled across Stargate on TV last night and thought it was a documentary. 

[4th&Five 41525]

 

[Tom 2959]

On 6/16/2018 at 8:56 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

I LOVE golf. If I had time, I would play 2-3 times a week. That said, I haven't picked up a golf club in about 9 months due to having a 1 year old. 

Of all the arguments regarding Trump vs. Obama, I wish the golf thing would go away. Yeah, Trump is a fucking horror and it's sickening how much he plays at his courses. But Obama played a FUCK TON of golf for a man in his position as well. 

 

 

I can't speak for others, but I wouldn't care so much if it wasn't a main talking point of his campaign and Twitter rage for years.  It's just one of an endless number of hypocrisies that his supporters are more than happy to overlook.

Kind of like how he blows up an Iran deal that has actual parameters and concessions from the Iranians like not enriching uranium past a certain threshold or letting inspectors in. He ends it for being a bad deal.  But he'll pat himself on the back and claim he solved the NK nuclear crisis just from a vague promise from Kim with nothing else.

It's the blatant hypocrisy that pisses me off, not that somebody wants time off from a job to play golf.  The fact that he's likely enriching himself while doing it through my tax dollars is also maddening.  Obama never did anything like that.

[mchookem 16327]

re: the discussion about the immigrant families separation perhaps being the issue that finally pushes some over the edge...

FWIW my northeast Texas cousin who is diehard Team R and regularly posted stuff about Obama banning the White House Christmas tree and shutting down Texas oil fields and whatever other nonsense (she's in Gohmert's district)... this morning she shared one of the journalist videos from one of these detention camps and she is appalled...

"If a parent were to treat their child like this they would be arrested☹️ Please don’t bash me about caring for these children... illegal or not, they deserve better!" 

she'll probably still vote straight R, but it's obviously getting to her, and she felt she had to pre-emptively defend against other Team R folks,  which i found interesting. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, deech said:

Sorry, if everyone ignores a messenger they hate.  It doesn't mean facts do not matter.  It just means that the messenger sucks.

But don’t you see, the messenger will always suck.  They will always be preemptively character assassinated.

Elizabeth Warren - Pocohantas 

Nancy Pelosi - elitist left coast bitch

Bernie Sanders - communist 

Kamala Harris - she’s a cop

Joe Biden - he’s too old and touchy with women

Barack Obama - Kenyan Muslim 

 

 

[BrickHorn 18219]

2 minutes ago, mchookem said:

re: the discussion about the immigrant families separation perhaps being the issue that finally pushes some over the edge...

FWIW my northeast Texas cousin who is diehard Team R and regularly posted stuff about Obama banning the White House Christmas tree and shutting down Texas oil fields and whatever other nonsense (she's in Gohmert's district)... this morning she shared one of the journalist videos from one of these detention camps and she is appalled...

"If a parent were to treat their child like this they would be arrested☹️ Please don’t bash me about caring for these children... illegal or not, they deserve better!" 

she'll probably still vote straight R, but it's obviously getting to her, and she felt she had to pre-emptively defend against other Team R folks,  which i found interesting. 

Find a way to gently suggest that she can do something about this by voting straight Democrat in 2018.  Foster a sense of common values and purpose.  Explain that Trumpists are fake Republicans.

[Brisketexan 105097]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

But don’t you see, the messenger will always suck.  They will always be preemptively character assassinated.

Elizabeth Warren - Pocohantas 

Nancy Pelosi - elitist left coast bitch

Bernie Sanders - communist 

Kamala Harris - she’s a cop

Joe Biden - he’s too old and touchy with women

Barack Obama - Kenyan Muslim 

 

 

Bingo. If you fight lies and propaganda with truth, honesty, and facts, you will get completely and totally pantsed.  Fighting fair when the other guy is swinging a nail-studded 2X4 at you is flat-out stupid.

[Js1 85313]

4 minutes ago, mchookem said:

re: the discussion about the immigrant families separation perhaps being the issue that finally pushes some over the edge...

FWIW my northeast Texas cousin who is diehard Team R and regularly posted stuff about Obama banning the White House Christmas tree and shutting down Texas oil fields and whatever other nonsense (she's in Gohmert's district)... this morning she shared one of the journalist videos from one of these detention camps and she is appalled...

"If a parent were to treat their child like this they would be arrested☹️ Please don’t bash me about caring for these children... illegal or not, they deserve better!" 

she'll probably still vote straight R, but it's obviously getting to her, and she felt she had to pre-emptively defend against other Team R folks,  which i found interesting. 

Gently reminder that Beto marched against this on Father's Day.

Ted Cruz did not.

[Paul Wesley 3278]

"boarder"

Holy shit.  That's unbelievable. 

Add it to the list, which is pretty long, and includes words like:  Hear by, Honered, rediculous, payed

I'll bet most folks on this thread (not the Russians) were more literate in the 6th grade.

The best words.  

 

[Ted Lange 16084]

4 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

"boarder"

Holy shit.  That's unbelievable. 

 

Unbelievable?  Our President is a fucking dumbass. 

[Chad Fuck 17671]

8 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

"boarder"

Holy shit.  That's unbelievable. 

Add it to the list, which is pretty long, and includes words like:  Hear by, Honered, rediculous, payed

I'll bet most folks on this thread (not the Russians) were more literate in the 6th grade.

The best words.  

 

Councel.

 

Never forget.

[Tuco 5076]

Bingo. If you fight lies and propaganda with truth, honesty, and facts, you will get completely and totally pantsed.  Fighting fair when the other guy is swinging a nail-studded 2X4 at you is flat-out stupid.

You are assuming the traditional lines of attack - Democratic politicians. It’s a new era. If you aren’t wallpapering your Congressman’s Facebook page with sourced stats and articles on this shit, you’re doing it wrong. Don’t wait for Nancy Pelosi to say something. Refute the every bullshit stat and falsity. The cloak room is better training for this shit than what their interns receive.

[Dertyberd 394]

8 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

"boarder"

Holy shit.  That's unbelievable. 

Add it to the list, which is pretty long, and includes words like:  Hear by, Honered, rediculous, payed

I'll bet most folks on this thread (not the Russians) were more literate in the 6th grade.

The best words.  

 

It's almost as if the red line under his misspelled words actually mean, the best words.  The fucker doesn't have the patience to check his very public thoughts.  I know he doesn't care about norms of any kind, but the impulsiveness is fucking scary.  

[deech 2274]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

But don’t you see, the messenger will always suck.  They will always be preemptively character assassinated.

Elizabeth Warren - Pocohantas 

Nancy Pelosi - elitist left coast bitch

Bernie Sanders - communist 

Kamala Harris - she’s a cop

Joe Biden - he’s too old and touchy with women

Barack Obama - Kenyan Muslim 

 

 

Understood.  As a neutral I think those messengers all mostly suck as well though.  The only quasi-new voice in that list is Harris.  The rest are the same stale Democrats that have been run out repeatedly.  IMHO, the American public want a new voice from the left.  Sure the right will quickly character assassinate that person regardless, but the issue is whether that person can resonate with the American public before that happens in a policy discussion.

[Brisketexan 105097]

Just now, deech said:

Understood.  As a neutral I think those messengers all mostly suck as well though.  The only quasi-new voice in that list is Harris.  The rest are the same stale Democrats that have been run out repeatedly.  IMHO, the American public want a new voice from the left.  Sure the right will quickly character assassinate that person regardless, but the issue is whether that person can resonate with the American public before that happens in a policy discussion.

The issue is to lie.  Make up who you are.  Lie about your opponent.  Saturate all information with outlandish lies about your opponent, at a rate too fast to counter.  Drown the truth in a flood of lies, and be relentless about it. The more outlandish and negative, the better.

It will win.  Believe me.

[deech 2274]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

The issue is to lie.  Make up who you are.  Lie about your opponent.  Saturate all information with outlandish lies about your opponent, at a rate too fast to counter.  Drown the truth in a flood of lies, and be relentless about it. The more outlandish and negative, the better.

It will win.  Believe me.

I guess I am just not as cynical and jaded as yo are.....not that I don't completely understand the sentiment.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

57 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That Atlantic article was mostly wishful thinking.  Pence spoke and there were still a bunch of preachers wearing MAGA hats.  

Nobody said it was a unanimously supported movement.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Fighting with one hand tied behind your back is a recipe for defeat.  I'm just calling it like I see it.  The ante has been raised, significantly.  The lies and propaganda are much more emotionally inflammatory than what Obama was selling.  He was selling wine.  The GOP is now selling Fireball.  If you wanna win, you gotta provide something more stout than 66 proof.  It's an arms race of intoxicating deception -- the only way to win is to get to point Everclear.  That also happens to be when we all lose.  Because -- punch line -- there is no winning anymore.  Only different ways of losing.

I agree in one sense: that's the way to sway a Trumpkin, and it's still unlikely to succeed, and will require too much effort, regardless.

But not all adults of voting age are the same.  What needs to be done is (a) get people to the polls and (b) convince those who were heretofore apathetic non-voters who to vote for.  Your "fight fire with fire" method is not necessarily a requirement to engage those people.  I know you WANT that to be true but in reality it probably isn't.  

[Lagunamadre 1975]

18 minutes ago, Dertyberd said:

It's almost as if the red line under his misspelled words actually mean, the best words.  The fucker doesn't have the patience to check his very public thoughts.  I know he doesn't care about norms of any kind, but the impulsiveness is fucking scary.  

Spelling and grammar are for the libtard coastal elites dude. 

[jimmyjazz 45903]

10 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Spelling and grammar  grammer are for the libtard coastal elites dude. 

Typo.

[Dertyberd 394]

14 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Spelling and grammar are for the libtard coastal elites dude. 

I know, and I'm just a backwoods hick from Oklahoma.  He goes on and on about being a genius from Wharton and they love him, yet don't see the elitist slapping them in the face with his Cheeto.  If he applied for a position with most of these "job creators" he'd be shown the door for being a loudmouthed Yankee, or not make it through the written resume portion for too many errors.  The dissonance that the right amount hate, lack of fucks for anything other than lib/brown/Euro tears, and an R by your name brings these days is incredible.  

Edited June 18, 2018 by Dertyberd
Not Trump

[Lagunamadre 1975]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Typo.

???

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Just now, Lagunamadre said:

???

Dude.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

7 minutes ago, Dertyberd said:

I know, and I'm just a backwoods hick from Oklahoma.  He goes on and on about being a genius from Wharton and they love him, yet don't see the elitist slapping them in the face with his Cheeto.  If he applied for a position with most of these "job creators" he'd be shown the door for being a loudmouthed Yankee, or not make it through the written resume portion for too many errors.  The dissonance that the right amount hate, lack of fucks for anything other than lib/brown/Euro tears, and a R by your name brings these days is incredible.  

The largest demo in Trump's base is white men with no college education. They embrace his ignorance as "talking like us". 

[retread 2951]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Yeee haaaw... we doing the Space Force.

Guess the extra deficit wasn’t big enough already. 

Edited June 18, 2018 by retread

[Lagunamadre 1975]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Dude.

I'm so confused. Is there a joke going over my head? 

[jimmyjazz 45903]

5 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

I'm so confused. Is there a joke going over my head? 

Yep.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yep.

It was bound to happen one of these days. 

[Ted Lange 16084]

He thinks he’s  going to able build a Trump Tower on the moon

[WhatTheBuck 28777]

3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

He has a vocabulary.  It's only about 100 words deep, but he has one.

And it doesn't include the word vocabulary. 

[SKJ 1311]

27 minutes ago, retread said:

At least now he can have an excuse for his goggles tanline

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

re: the discussion about the immigrant families separation perhaps being the issue that finally pushes some over the edge...

FWIW my northeast Texas cousin who is diehard Team R and regularly posted stuff about Obama banning the White House Christmas tree and shutting down Texas oil fields and whatever other nonsense (she's in Gohmert's district)... this morning she shared one of the journalist videos from one of these detention camps and she is appalled...

"If a parent were to treat their child like this they would be arrested☹️ Please don’t bash me about caring for these children... illegal or not, they deserve better!" 

she'll probably still vote straight R, but it's obviously getting to her, and she felt she had to pre-emptively defend against other Team R folks,  which i found interesting. 

Of course she will still vote R.  This is the Democrats’ fault after all.

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

Today's sign of the coming apolocalypse:

https://www.axios.com/kim-jong-un-nancy-pelosi-favorable-poll-e675f74a-eebb-4fa3-a661-10dd008a123b.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

 

Quote

19% of Republicans view Kim Jong-un favorably, while just 17% have a favorable view of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, according to a new poll from Ipsos and The Daily Beast.

Why it matters: While it's just one poll, it stands as an example of the current hyper-partisan state of American politics — where an extended career and continued partisan attacks can severely damage a major figure's public perception. In addition, it highlights the effect that President Trump's non-traditional diplomacy can have on public opinion.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Today's sign of the coming apolocalypse:

https://www.axios.com/kim-jong-un-nancy-pelosi-favorable-poll-e675f74a-eebb-4fa3-a661-10dd008a123b.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

 

 

Active measures works.

Just look at the favorable numbers of Putin among Republicans.

[F250 28768]

So reality TV star Donald J Trump was elected President of the United States and has just ordered the Department of Defense to begin constructing a new branch of the military called the Space Force. This idea will be taken seriously because Donald Fucking Trump is actually the President of the United States, the leader of the free world.

 

[Fozzz 152]

President Anders Breivik.  Darkest timeline.

 

 

[bad_teammate 13195]

I give it 2 weeks before he's straight up Tweeting, "1488! We Must Secure a Future..."

[Js1 85313]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

President Anders Breivik.  Darkest timeline.

 

 

He's right. We should start by deporting anyone whose ancestors came here under false pretenses and got kicked out of their home country for draft dodging. Also, immigrants with no marketable skills should also be sent back to their country of origin.  And since we have to punish the kids, poor Barron will get put into the foster care system.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

10 minutes ago, F250 said:

So reality TV star Donald J Trump was elected President of the United States and has just ordered the Department of Defense to begin constructing a new branch of the military called the Space Force. This idea will be taken seriously because Donald Fucking Trump is actually the President of the United States, the leader of the free world.