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Breast feeding talk not going away.

 

For those that are curious, here is the original draft resolution, the US alternative, and the final resolution (spoiler tags went all inception):

 

DRAFT RESOLUTION WHA71.XX Infant and young child feeding *DOCUMENT AS SHOWN ON SCREEN ON WED 14 MAY 2018 AT 12:00* (AS AGREED) ECUADOR WILL SUBMIT TO GBS WITH LIST OF CO-SPONSORS The Seventy-first World Health Assembly, PP1. Taking note the reports on maternal, infant and young child nutrition1 : “Comprehensive implementation plan on maternal, infant and young child nutrition: biennial report”, and “Safeguarding against possible conflicts of interest in nutrition programmes” PP2. Recalling resolutions WHA33.32 (1980), WHA34.22 (1981), WHA35.26 (1982), WHA37.30 (1984), WHA39.28 (1986), WHA41.11 (1988), WHA43.3 (1990), WHA45.34 (1992), WHA46.7 (1993), WHA47.5 (1994), WHA49.15 (1996), WHA54.2 (2001), WHA55.25 (2002), WHA58.32 (2005), WHA59.21 (2006), WHA61.20 (2008), WHA63.23 (2010), WHA65.6 (2012) and WHA69.9 (2016) on infant and young child nutrition, appropriate feeding practices and related questions as well as resolution WHA68.19 (2015), WHA 69.8 (2016) and A/RES/70/1 (2015); (PP2bis) Reaffirming the commitment made in the Agenda for Sustainable Development, including to end all forms of malnutrition by 2030; PP3. Reaffirming the commitments to implement relevant international targets and action plans, including WHO’s global maternal, infant and young child nutrition targets for 2025 and the WHO’s global action plan for the prevention and control of noncommunicable diseases 2013−2020 and the Rome Declaration resulting from the Second International Conference on Nutrition (ICN2); PP4. Reaffirming also that breastfeeding is critical for child survival, nutrition and development, and maternal health; PP4bis. Affirming that the protection, promotion, and support of breastfeeding contributes substantially to the achievement of sustainable development goals on nutrition and health, and is a core element of quality health care; PP5. Recognizing that appropriate, evidence-based, and timely support of infant and young child feeding in emergencies saves lives, protects child nutrition, health and development, and benefits mothers and families; PP6. Expressing concern that nearly two in every three infants under 6 months are not exclusively breastfed; that fewer than one in five infants are breastfed for 12 months in high-income countries; and that only two in every three children between 6 months and 2 years of age receive any breast-milk in low- and middle-income countries; 1 REF xxx.

Page 2 of 4 PP7. Acknowledging that achievement of the WHO global target to increase to at least 50 percent the proportion of infants under six months of age who are exclusively breastfed by 2025 requires sustainable and adequate technical and financial resources, and supportive and protective policy and regulatory interventions as well as political will, and that this needs to be part of broader efforts to strengthen health systems; PP9. Welcoming the inclusion of support for exclusive breastfeeding in WHO’s 13th General Programme of Work2 ; PP10. Welcoming the annual celebration of World Breastfeeding Week as an opportunity to communicate the importance of breastfeeding and advocate for the protection, promotion, and support of breastfeeding3 ; PP12. Recognizing recent efforts made by WHO to provide guidance and strengthen technical support to Member States to improve infant and young child feeding, and protect, promote and support breastfeeding in particular, including through new guidelines and implementation guidance on the Babyfriendly Hospital Initiative (BFHI)4,5 ; an implementation manual on ending the inappropriate promotion of foods for infants and young children6,7 ; a toolkit on strengthening monitoring and enforcement of the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes and subsequent relevant WHA resolutions8 ; operational guidance on infant feeding in emergencies9 ; updated guidelines on breastfeeding in the context of HIV10 ; and breastfeeding advocacy materials11,12,13 , as well as noting the ongoing process to develop tools to safeguard against possible conflicts of interest in policy development and implementation of nutrition programmes14 ; PP13: Also recognizing the ongoing FENSA implementation by WHO to effectively manage, including by, where possible avoiding conflict of interest and other forms of risks to WHO in nutrition programmes; OP1. URGES Member States (FOOTNOTE 1: and where applicable, regional economic integration organizations), in accordance with national context and international obligations, (FOOTNOTE 2: taking into account federated states) (FOOTNOTE 3: Member States could additional action to end inappropriate promotion of food for infants and young children)

Page 3 of 4 (OP1.1) to increase investment in development, implementation and monitoring of laws, policies and programmes aimed at protection, promotion, and support of breastfeeding, including through multi-sectoral approaches, and awareness raising; (OP1.2) to reinvigorate the Baby-friendly Hospital Initiative (BFHI), including by promoting full integration of the Ten Steps to Successful Breastfeeding in efforts and programmes aimed at improving quality of care for maternal, new-born and child health; (OP1.3) to implement and/or strengthen national monitoring and enforcement mechanisms for effective implementation of national measures aimed at giving effect to the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes and subsequent relevant World Health Assembly resolutions; (OP1.3bis) to promote timely and adequate complementary feeding in accordance with the Guiding principles for complementary feeding of the breast-fed child (FOOTNOTE: REF1), as well as Guiding principles for the feeding of the non-breast-fed child (6-24 months) (FOOTNOTE: REF2); (OP1.4) to continue taking all necessary measures in the interest of public health to end the inappropriate promotion of foods for infants and young children, including, in particular implementation of the Guidance on Ending the Inappropriate Promotion of Foods for Infants and Young Children, while taking into account existing legislation and policies, as well as international obligations; (OP1.6) to take all necessary measures to ensure evidence-based and appropriate infant and young child feeding during emergencies, including through preparedness plans, capacity building of personnel working in emergency situations, and coordination of inter-sectoral operations; (OP1.7) to celebrate World Breastfeeding Week (FOOTNOTE: CLARIFICATION) as a valuable means to promote breast-feeding; 2. REQUESTS the Director-General: (OP2.1) to provide, upon request, technical support to Member States in implementation, mobilization of financial resources, monitoring and assessment of the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes and subsequent relevant WHA resolutions, the guidance on ending the inappropriate promotion of foods for infants and young children, and the Baby-friendly Hospital Initiative and to review national experiences with monitoring and enforcing relevant national legal, regulatory, and/or other measures; (OP2.2.) to continue developing tools for training, monitoring, and advocacy on the Ten Steps to Successful Breastfeeding and the Baby-friendly Hospital Initiative, to assist Member States with implementation; (OP2.3) to support Member States on establishing nutrition targets and intermediate milestones for maternal, infant and young child nutrition indicators, consistent with the timeframe for implementation of the Second International Conference on Nutrition Framework for Action and the UN Decade of Action on Nutrition (2016-2025);

Page 4 of 4 (OP2.3bis) to continue providing adequate technical support to Member States in assessing policies and programmes, including good-quality data collection and analyses; (OP2.5) to develop tools for training, monitoring, advocacy and preparedness for the implementation of the Operational Guidance on Infant and Young Child Feeding in emergencies and support Member States to review experiences in its adaptation, implementation and monitoring; (OP2.7) to report to World Health Assembly, through the Executive Board, on progress on the implementation of this resolution and in alignment with the reporting provided for in resolution WHA69.9

The US alternative:

 

Proposed Alternative WHA 71 Decision Point for Maternal, Infant and Young Child Nutrition The Seventy-first World Health Assembly, having considered the Secretariat report on maternal, infant and young child nutrition, decided to: (1) Acknowledge the importance of exclusive breastfeeding for the first six months of life, continued breastfeeding, and nutrient-rich, age-appropriate complementary foods for older infants and young children, as critical for child survival, health, nutrition and development, as well as maternal health; (2) Reaffirming the need to promote exclusive breastfeeding practices in the first 6 months of life, and the continuation of breastfeeding up to 2 years and beyond, and recognizing the need to promote optimal complementary feeding practices for children from ages 6−36 months based on WHO21 and FAO dietary guidelines and in accordance with national dietary guidelines, which contributes substantially to the achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals on nutrition and health, and is a core element of health care; (3) Urge the development of evidence-based national dietary guidelines, responses, strategies or plans to improve infant and young child nutrition, including breastfeeding, in routine and in emergency settings; (4) Celebrate World Breastfeeding Week as an official public health event, according to national context; (5) Request the Director-General to: a. Provide, upon request, technical support to Member States in implementation, monitoring, and the assessment of recommendations, such as the Baby-Friendly Hospital Initiative, to support infant and young child feeding, including in emergencies, and to review national experiences with implementing such recommendations and mobilization of resources to build the evidence base on their effectiveness and consider changes, if needed; b. Support Member States on establishing nutrition targets and intermediate milestones for maternal, infant and young child nutrition indicators, consistent with the timeframe of the Sustainable Development Goals (2030); c. Continue providing adequate technical support to Member States, upon request, in assessing and evaluating their maternal, infant and young child nutrition policies and programs, including capacity for high-quality data collection and analyses; d. Report to the Health Assembly, through the Executive Board, periodically on progress made in protection, promotion, and support of breastfeeding, as part of existing reporting on maternal, infant and young child nutrition.

 

And the final adopted version:

 

Infant and young child feeding Draft resolution proposed by Botswana, Canada, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Kenya, Mexico, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Pakistan, Panama, Russian Federation, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Zambia. The Seventy-first World Health Assembly, (PP1) Having considered the reports on maternal, infant and young child nutrition;1 (PP2) Recalling resolutions WHA33.32 (1980), WHA34.22 (1981), WHA35.26 (1982), WHA37.30 (1984), WHA39.28 (1986), WHA41.11 (1988), WHA43.3 (1990), WHA45.34 (1992), WHA46.7 (1993), WHA47.5 (1994), WHA49.15 (1996), WHA54.2 (2001), WHA55.25 (2002), WHA58.32 (2005), WHA59.21 (2006), WHA61.20 (2008), WHA63.23 (2010), WHA65.6 (2012) and WHA69.9 (2016) on infant and young child nutrition, appropriate feeding practices and related questions, as well as resolutions WHA68.19 (2015), WHA69.8 (2016) and United Nations General Assembly resolution 70/1 (2015); (PP3) Reaffirming the commitment made in the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, including to end all forms of malnutrition by 2030; (PP4) Recalling the commitment to implement relevant international targets and action plans, including WHO’s global maternal, infant and young child nutrition targets for 2025 and WHO’s global action plan for the prevention and control of noncommunicable diseases 2013−2020 and the Rome Declaration on Nutrition resulting from the Second International Conference on Nutrition; (PP5) Reaffirming also that breastfeeding is critical for child survival, nutrition and development, and maternal health; (PP6) Affirming that the protection, promotion and support of breastfeeding contributes substantially to the achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals on nutrition and health, and is a core element of quality health care; (PP7) Recognizing that appropriate, evidence-based and timely support of infant and young child feeding in emergencies saves lives, protects child nutrition, health and development, and benefits mothers and families; 1 Documents A71/22 and A71/23. A71/A/CONF./4 Rev.1 (PP8) Expressing concern that nearly two in every three infants under 6 months of age are not exclusively breastfed; that fewer than one in five infants are breastfed for 12 months in high-income countries; and that only two in every three children between 6 months and 2 years of age receive any breast milk in low- and middle-income countries; (PP9) Acknowledging that achievement of the WHO global target to increase to at least 50% the proportion of infants under 6 months of age who are exclusively breastfed by 2025 requires sustainable and adequate technical and financial resources, and supportive and protective policy and regulatory interventions as well as political will, and that this needs to be part of broader efforts to strengthen health systems; (PP10) Welcoming the inclusion of support for exclusive breastfeeding in the Thirteenth General Programme of Work, 2019–2023; (PP11) Welcoming the annual celebration of World Breastfeeding Week as an opportunity to communicate the importance of breastfeeding and advocate for the protection, promotion and support of breastfeeding;1 (PP12) Also recognizing the ongoing implementation by WHO of the Framework of Engagement with Non-State Actors including in nutrition programmes, OP1. URGES Member States2,3,4 in accordance with national context and international obligations: (1) to increase investment in development, implementation and monitoring and evaluation of laws, policies and programmes aimed at protection, promotion, including education and support of breastfeeding, including through multisectoral approaches and awareness raising; (2) to reinvigorate the Baby-friendly Hospital Initiative, including by promoting full integration of the revised Ten steps to successful breastfeeding, in efforts and programmes aimed at improving quality of care for maternal, newborn and child health; (3) to implement and/or strengthen national mechanisms for effective implementation of measures aimed at giving effect to the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes as well as other WHO evidence based recommendations; (4) to promote timely and adequate complementary feeding in accordance with the guiding principles for complementary feeding of the breastfed child,5 as well as guiding principles for the feeding of the non-breastfed child 6–24 months of age;6 1

http://worldbreastfeedingweek.org/, accessed 21 May 2018. 2 And where applicable, regional economic integration organizations. 3 Taking into account the context of federated states. 4 Member States could take additional action to end inappropriate promotion of food for infants and young children. 5 Guiding principles for complementary feeding of the breastfed child. Washington (DC): PAHO; 2003 (http://www.who.int/maternal_child_adolescent/documents/a85622/en/, accessed 21 May 2018). 6 Guiding principles for feeding non-breastfed children 6-24 months of age. Geneva: World Health Organization; 2005 (http://www.who.int/maternal_child_adolescent/documents/9241593431/en/, accessed 18 May 2018). 2 A71/A/CONF./4 Rev.1 (5) to continue taking all necessary measures in the interest of public health to implement recommendations to end inappropriate promotion of foods for infants and young children; (6) to take all necessary measures to ensure evidence-based and appropriate infant and young child feeding during emergencies, including through preparedness plans, capacity-building of personnel working in emergency situations, and coordination of intersectoral operations; (7) to celebrate World Breastfeeding Week1 as a valuable means to promote breastfeeding; OP2. REQUESTS the Director-General: (1) to provide, upon request, technical support to Member States in mobilizing resources, including financial resources, monitoring and implementation of WHO recommendations to support infants and young child feeding, including in emergencies, and review national experiences from this implementation and continue to update and generate evidence-based recommendations; (1bis) to provide, upon request, technical support to Member States to establish, review and implement national laws, policies and programmes to support infant and young child feeding; (2) to continue developing tools for training, monitoring and advocacy on the revised Ten steps to successful breastfeeding and the Baby-friendly Hospital Initiative, to provide support to Member States with implementation; (3) to support Member States on establishing nutrition targets and intermediate milestones for maternal, infant and young child nutrition indicators, consistent with the time frame for implementation of the Framework for Action, the conference outcome document Food and Agriculture Organization’s and World Health Organization’s Second International Conference on Nutrition and the United Nations Decade of Action on Nutrition (2016–2025) and the timeframe of the Sustainable Development Goals (2015–2030); (4) to continue providing adequate technical support to Member States, upon request, in assessing national policies and programmes, and other measures, including quality data collection and analyses; (5) to develop tools for training, monitoring, advocacy and preparedness for the implementation of the operational guidance on infant and young child feeding in emergencies and support Member States to review experiences in its adaptation, implementation and monitoring; (6) to report to the Seventy-third World Health Assembly in 2020, through the Executive Board, on the progress made in implementing this resolution and in alignment with the reporting requested in resolution WHA69.9.
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SInce y'all seem to be my clearinghouse for all things political, let me tell a story.  A couple of them, actually.  Three, if you want to be specific. When I was 14 I went with a family frien

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If it's an HVAC install company, the effect will be blunted.  All of his competitors will be hit equally.  Perhaps the industry, as a whole, will drop off as fewer customers could afford upgrades, but, unlike farmers selling to China or Harley selling to Europe, his customers cannot opt for a non-tariffed option. 

The article about Poplar Bluff Mo (and the struggling nail company) is probably more germane to your point.  I don't think they interviewed any current employees (probably none were allowed to talk), but the folks in the town seemed pretty relaxed about the plant possibly closing.  It probably appears to them that 500 jobs in a town of 20k, isn't that big of a deal.  They see "Help Wanted" signs.  What they don't realize is that once the plant closes, those miscellaneous jobs dry up quick.  People leave town.  Population contraction drops housing prices.  Fewer customers means some other businesses close and others have no reason to take on extra employees.  Maybe their town is growing, and will continue to grow despite a plant closing.  But if it starts constricting, the ripple effects can be brutal on a small town. 

Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more
They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain't coming back

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935093/BBC-air-report-Trump-called-President-Sex-Pest.html

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The BBC is set to air interviews with two women who claim President Donald Trump behaved in a 'disgusting' way while at parties with young models in the 1980s and '90s.

Panorama's report, titled 'Is the President a Sex Pest?', includes allegations that the real estate tycoon was 'like a predator in action' at events attended by models as young as 14.

One of the women, Barbara Pilling, said she met Trump at a party in New York while she was a young model in the late 1980s. Trump was in his 40s.

She alleged that he asked her how old she was and, when she told him she was 17, that he replied: 'Oh, great. So you're not too old and not too young. That's just great.'

'I felt like I was in the presence of a shark getting ready to roll his eyes back in his head and bite me, you know, that's how I felt,' she explained.

'It was just, like, get the hell out of here.' 

Another woman, Heather Braden, told reporter Richard Bilton she saw Trump at a party in Miami in the 1990s when she was 23.

She said there were only four men at the party, but 50 female models. She said she was one of the oldest women there.

I felt like a piece of meat in a market,' she said. 

A man who claimed to have attended several of the parties - but who insisted on remaining anonymous - told Panorama there were drugs at the events. 

He said: 'There was a lot of cocaine around, there was a lot of alcohol.'

Describing the men at the parties, he explained: 'These were guys who could easily be [the models'] fathers - two times over.'

He added that it was 'kind of like a feeding frenzy'.  

The anonymous man also said Trump was 'notorious' for his behaviour towards younger women. 

'It was like a predator in action,' he said.

'We do know that he was having sex with them, no question about it. The next day or days after we would hear about it, he would brag about it to his friends and it would get around that he scored. 

'Maybe one or two girls at a time, which is what he loved to do.'

Barbara also claimed the future president misbehaved with staff at the parties.

She said: 'I remember one of the waitresses offered him a drink. He didn't take the drink and he slapped her bottom. 

'She was a blonde. He gave her butt a slap and he was very loud. He was like, don't worry that's not your tip.' 

She added: 'So I went to the washroom, and I was going in and a girl was coming out, and I go, 'Have you talked to that Trump guy, you know?' She goes, 'Yeah, as I was walking by he's like trying to grab my ass'.' 

Panorama said the White House did not respond to the allegations.      

but obama once attended a controversial church.

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Trump aides being worn down by public shaming.

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Former Trump White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci tells the Post that this sort of treatment weighs on Trump White House officials, even though they’re loath to admit it publicly.

“I would say it’s burning people out,” he says. “I just think there’s so much meanness, it’s causing some level of, ‘What do I need this for?’ And I think it’s a recruiting speed bump for the administration. To be part of it, you’ve got to deal with the incoming of some of this viciousness.”

"DECORUM!" advocates are collaborators.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935093/BBC-air-report-Trump-called-President-Sex-Pest.html

but obama once attended a controversial church.

But all that happened so long ago and he's embraced God since then (if you listen to what he said and ignore what he does) so none of that matters anymore.  Didn't you get the memo?  

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"Meanness".  You literally accepted a job working for the meanest POTUS anyone currently alive could possibly recall, and you're surprised that some segments of the population push back with "meanness"? 

You're fucking lucky this is America, because the "pushback" is a helluva lot more deadly elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

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But all that happened so long ago and he's embraced God since then (if you listen to what he said and ignore what he does) so none of that matters anymore.  Didn't you get the memo?  

Wrong. Trump was a dumb democrat when he was doing those sinful things. So what we should take is that democrats are dumb, and sinful. 

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Nice attempt to pivot away from formula talk that’s pissing off a lot of women.

I expect him to pivot on this because price gouging sucks and I can't believe he's against that.  Pfizer could get his support if they'd redirect their sewage pipes into an American river or invent a machine that melts glaciers and uses polar bear blood as fuel. 

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I'd be shocked if Hannity doesn't already know who the pick is.  

Hannity told him who to pick.  Ruminate on that for awhile.  Sean Hannity is not only POTUS' most trusted advisor, he's actually (in a relative sense) smart enough to qualify for the job.

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Hannity told him who to pick.  Ruminate on that for awhile.  Sean Hannity is not only POTUS' most trusted advisor, he's actually (in a relative sense) smart enough to qualify for the job.

I'd say there is a greater than 80% chance this is what actually occurred.

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Trump likely had this selection made the day Kennedy retired.  All this other shit is just a show. 

I imagine Trump and Hannity talk mostly about their media messaging strategy and make sure they sync up, not so much policy or appointments.

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Didn't he say a sitting President should not be investigated / indicted or something along those lines? Seems like a lock.

What were his exact statements on it? How far does he go with it? So a President could commit outright and open treason with no investigation? Could murder someone on camera? 

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/world/europe/donald-trump-nato-summit-russia-putin.html

 

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Mr. Trump’s advisers are hoping to avoid a blowup akin to the one the president provoked at the Group of 7 summit meeting in Quebec last month, and have pointed Mr. Trump to evidence that NATO allies have responded to his aggressive pressure by increasing their own military spending.

But in private conversations, the president has been dismissive of the military alliance and the European Union, suggesting both entities exist to take advantage of the United States and strip it of capital.

On Monday, Mr. Trump tweeted that the United States was “spending far more on NATO than any other country.” He said the situation “is not fair, nor is it acceptable,” and said that it “benefits Europe far more than it does the U.S.”

 

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He also said he had suggested to Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany that the tens of thousands of United States troops that are stationed in her country might not be worth the expenditure — an opinion he has shared privately with advisers at the White House, according to one person familiar with the discussions.

Mr. Trump has dismissed concerns about Mr. Putin as overblown.

He has mocked skeptics who note that the Russian president is a former top official in the K.G.B., the feared intelligence service, by saying, “He’s fine.” Mr. Trump also brushed off concerns that he would be manipulated into offering Mr. Putin concessions, saying he was “totally prepared” for the meeting, which includes a one-on-one session.

 

 

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During a phone call with Mr. Putin in March, when the president was urged by aides not to congratulate the Russian president on his electoral victory, Mr. Trump did just that. He told Mr. Putin that Russia and the United States should get along better. And he commiserated with Mr. Putin over Trump administration officials whom the Russian president said had tried to prevent the call from happening, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversation.

“Those are stupid people; you shouldn’t listen to them,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Putin, the person said.

 

 

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What were his exact statements on it? How far does he go with it? So a President could commit outright and open treason with no investigation? Could murder someone on camera? 

If R , yes

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President Donald Trump reportedly greeted German Chancellor Angela Merkel with a massive bill when she visited him soon after he entered the White House.

“Angela, you owe me $1 trillion,” Trump said, referring to the gulf between what Germany agreed to contribute to its defense under a NATO arrangement and what it actually spent over the previous 14 years, an official briefed on the meeting told The Wall Street Journal in a story published Sunday.

Trump’s brash remark to Merkel more than a year ago showcases his insistence that U.S. allies pay more for their defense—a stance he has maintained ahead of the NATO summit later this week.

 

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Since his initial meeting with Merkel, the relationship between the two leaders has become only more tense.  

When Merkel visited the White House in April, Trump said, “Angela, you need to stop buying gas from Putin,” referring to a Russia-Germany natural gas pipeline, according to an official at the meeting.

Merkel responded that she wanted to broaden natural gas purchases and said she would try to convince members of the European Union to include this in trade talks.

 

 

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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3qz3j/trump-was-like-a-predator-toward-teens-at-parties-in-80s-and-90s-says-bbc-report

Trump was a sex pest per a new BBC documentary going to parties with 14 to 17 year old girls.

 

Of course he was. Doesnt matter. Metoo only matters for Dems. Remember, hypocrisy is worse than the underlying crime. Trump can rape someone because he never said raping wasnt ok. He said its okay to grab pussies, so he can grab pussies. If you say it's not okay to grab pussies, then you cant take pictures with a woman at a state fair or talk to reporters in Canada. 

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What were his exact statements on it? How far does he go with it? So a President could commit outright and open treason with no investigation? Could murder someone on camera? 

"A serious constitutional question exists regarding whether a president can be criminally indicted and tried while in office," Kavanaugh, a D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals judge, wrote in an article in 2009.

"One might raise at least two important critiques of these ideas," Kavanaugh acknowledged. "The first is that no one is above the law in our system of government. I strongly agree with that principle. But it is not ultimately a persuasive criticism of these suggestions. The point is not to put the president above the law or to eliminate checks on the president, but simply to defer litigation and investigations until the president is out of office.

"A second possible concern is that the country needs a check against a bad-behaving or law-breaking president. But the Constitution already provides that check. If the president does something dastardly, the impeachment process is available."

Trump is supposedly favoring Kavanaugh because of those views, per CNN.

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"A serious constitutional question exists regarding whether a president can be criminally indicted and tried while in office," Kavanaugh, a D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals judge, wrote in an article in 2009.

"One might raise at least two important critiques of these ideas," Kavanaugh acknowledged. "The first is that no one is above the law in our system of government. I strongly agree with that principle. But it is not ultimately a persuasive criticism of these suggestions. The point is not to put the president above the law or to eliminate checks on the president, but simply to defer litigation and investigations until the president is out of office.

"A second possible concern is that the country needs a check against a bad-behaving or law-breaking president. But the Constitution already provides that check. If the president does something dastardly, the impeachment process is available."

Trump is supposedly favoring Kavanaugh because of those views, per CNN.

The claim was made that he is against investigation of the President. Being against indictment doesnt support that claim. Investigation must occur for impeachment as well, or to indict following the Presidents term. 

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"A serious constitutional question exists regarding whether a president can be criminally indicted and tried while in office," Kavanaugh, a D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals judge, wrote in an article in 2009.

"One might raise at least two important critiques of these ideas," Kavanaugh acknowledged. "The first is that no one is above the law in our system of government. I strongly agree with that principle. But it is not ultimately a persuasive criticism of these suggestions. The point is not to put the president above the law or to eliminate checks on the president, but simply to defer litigation and investigations until the president is out of office.

"A second possible concern is that the country needs a check against a bad-behaving or law-breaking president. But the Constitution already provides that check. If the president does something dastardly, the impeachment process is available."

Trump is supposedly favoring Kavanaugh because of those views, per CNN.


I actually don’t think that Kavanaugh is off target on that point (which, repeating for emphasis, is that he’s not opposed to an investigation). While the president is in office, the remedy is impeachment. Once removed...he is at full criminal jeopardy.

If Trump thinks that Kavanaugh’s views are a path to skating scot-free, he’s wrong. Trump’s best path is to have a pliant senate full of fucking cowards...so he’s good.
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I actually don’t think that Kavanaugh is off target on that point (which, repeating for emphasis, is that he’s not opposed to an investigation). While the president is in office, the remedy is impeachment. Once removed...he is at full criminal jeopardy.

If Trump thinks that Kavanaugh’s views are a path to skating scot-free, he’s wrong. Trump’s best path is to have a pliant senate full of fucking cowards...so he’s good.

Re: "question exists regarding whether a president can be criminally indicted and tried while in office."

How about sealed indictments unsealed upon leaving office

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