Donald Trump 2018

[Red Five 40110]

Lulz. Who chooses the music for his rallies? What’s next, “I fought the law”?

[lemonlime 5482]

13 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

If Trump paid for the hush money out of his own pocket, that isn’t illegal, right? An individual can donate as much as they want to their own campaign.   The not reporting it is the illegal part? What sort of penalty is there for not reporting it? 

Or am I missing a bunch of stuff?

Yes.  The not reporting the contribution is illegal.  I would guess it's also illegal to use campaign funds to pay off porn stars the candidate had affairs with while his wife was home with a young baby, keeping said affairs a secret from the electorate.

[Captainant 26861]

8 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

If Trump paid for the hush money out of his own pocket, that isn’t illegal, right? An individual can donate as much as they want to their own campaign.   The not reporting it is the illegal part? What sort of penalty is there for not reporting it? 

Or am I missing a bunch of stuff?

It depends. If the contribution was through the trump org, they would be violating the maximum individual contribution for a corporate entity since it was direct and not laundered through a PAC. If it was a personal contribution, it would be a reporting issue. Typically those are handled with fines as they're typically just an honest failure to report. In this case it's not that hard to show intent to hide the payment, which increases the severity of the violation. And further, conspiring with another party(ies) constitutes a conspiracy charge.

So the individual action itself may not be a huge issue, but the coverup and lies about it are really where they get fucked.

[Ted Lange 15832]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

It depends. If the contribution was through the trump org, they would be violating the maximum individual contribution for a corporate entity since it was direct and not laundered through a PAC. If it was a personal contribution, it would be a reporting issue. Typically those are handled with fines as they're typically just an honest failure to report. In this case it's not that hard to show intent to hide the payment, which increases the severity of the violation. And further, conspiring with another party(ies) constitutes a conspiracy charge.

So the individual action itself may not be a huge issue, but the coverup and lies about it are really where they get fucked.

 

If it’s from the Trump Org, then the company would take the fall,not necessarily Trump himself.  But if it was from Trump, what’s the max penalty o non-reporting?

but good points on the co er up. 

[Jograves 357]

That's so weird. I really believed him when he stood on AF1 and said he didn't know anything about the payments and the reporter needed to ask Cohen. I wonder why he's changed his tune now. Must've just misremembered, I guess. 

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2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I'm not saying that Trump won't result in a permanent Democratic majority ("permanent" being defined as the rest of my life).  I think he will.  His treason is going to have the same effect that the Democrats' treason had in 1861--they were pretty much out of power at a national level for the next 71 years.

But as far as the notion that this is going to turn before 2020--forget about it.  The Republicans are going to try to save their own skins.  And right now, their skins are in a lot more danger from their primary voters than from Democrats.

We only have 6-7 primaries left, and most of them are not a serious threat to incumbents.

To use an analogy going back to the 1860s, and in particular a turning point, the start of this week feels like the first week of July in 1863.  Monday was Trump's Cemetery Ridge - his high water mark.  Yesterday was a combination of Trump's version of Pickett's Charge and Vicksburg falling - Trump watched his subordinates fall/fail.  Manafort, Cohen, Duncan Hunter all went down, and Cohen is working with the enemy.  Wyoming, the largest coal-producing state, handily rejected Trump's pick in their primary as well.

There are no hordes of new Trumpkins waiting in the wings either, nor is Hillary waiting there to drive moderates/undecideds over to Trump.  Trump has put the House into play, and possibly the Senate, which is already divided down the middle.

Republicans in 2019 are going to have some really hard choices to make.  With the exception of maybe Nunes and Rohrabacher, there aren't many in Congress who are willing to give up their careers to protect Trump.  

 

 

[Captainant 26861]

2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Is it even either/or, or hasn’t he basically done all of the above at this point?   I honestly don’t remember, but didn’t the actual payment come from one of the companies that would have been bound by the contribution limits, AND it was all orchestrated as a conspiracy by Trump and Cohen in violation of election law?

It's a fucking spaghetti bowl of liability since trump used shell companies to conceal the payments. Were the payments personal funds of trump since he's effectively used those shell companies as piggie banks? Or were they just corporate funds? Either way it appears to have been orchestrated by trump and cohen as a conspiracy to violate federal campaign finance law.

[atomheartbevo 88751]

2 hours ago, The Royal We said:

I've taken the tack when talking to holdout friends and family that Trump is going to end up doing more damage to the GOP than Obama and Hillary could've ever dreamed of doing.  Some wave me away as having TDS but some seem to understand that this could end up swinging wildly the other way and hammering them on issues near and dear to their GOP hearts.

I've had that conversation a few times, and no matter how much they love Trump, and even if they won't admit it openly, they are thinking it, because they've seen Trump picks and Republicans in general lose.

The interesting thing to me, and this is lost on a lot of Trumpkins, is that when the demographics truly kick in, in places like Texas, and the GOP becomes a permanent minority, the GOP is going to have some hard choices to make.  The GOP is going to have to quickly shut the fuck up about minority issues/immigrants.  

And when the GOP becomes the permanent minority, if they don't make some signifiant changes, and are unstead seen as powerless, the lobbyists will leave them and go elsewhere.  That could give us the rise of a third party that so many want.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

We're reaching the point where the question isn't whether a Dem House will impeach, but rather why the current House isn't.  (We know why, obviously, but that question should still be posed to them).   Evidence of a willful, felony campaign finance violation to hide information from voters in order to influence the election warrants impeachment. 

[J.R. 150]

All your questions are pretty clearly answered in the Criminal Information.

 

The McDougal payment was paid by the parent company of the Enquirer and although Cohen was going to pay to be assigned the NDA rights in that agreement, that was never consummated.  So that is violation #1: direct corporate contribution.

 

The Daniels payment was paid by Cohen through Essential Consultants LLC.  I dont know if that would be considered a "corporation" under campaign finance law, but either way, its violation #2: direct corporate contribution or personal contribution in excess of the limit.  That Trump's real estate company eventually reimbursed Cohen for some of all of this is neither here nor there, although it may constitute additional crimes.

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

One thing is if there some crime that requires intent to defraud or whatever, they already have that evidence by his consciousness of guilt.  He was asked on AF1 about the payment and tried to hide it.

[Fozzz 152]

lol that dumb motherfucker straight up admits he committed a felony under the belief that what he's saying is actually exculpatory.  and FNC doesn't even try to stop him!

[GhostOfTomJoad 9096]

Now we know why Giuliani doesn't want Trump to be interviewed by Mueller and walk into a perjury trap. Shit, he trapped himself on his own lies talking to the network whose only job is to gargle his cheeto balls.

 

 

['stache 21491]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Donald Trump is fucked.

His base is small and shrinking. 

Most Americans are appalled at this White House.

Lol, his approval is still at 40%.  And as was mentioned, the republicans use voter suppression and gerrymandering to ensure they can win without majorities.  The mouthbreathers are a cult, a huge one, who will be running our fucking lives for the foreseeable future.  All I can do is vote against them and keep these idiots out of my own life.  I've never had a problem being friends or acquaintances with people I don't agree with, but those people at least listen and can support their beliefs intelligently.  The Trump cult has no  such value and are useless to me, and would serve only to make me miserable.  I just can't fathom why or how anyone can ignore facts to support this moron.  

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Now we know why Giuliani doesn't want Trump to be interviewed by Mueller and walk into a perjury trap. Shit, he trapped himself on his own lies talking to the network whose only job is to gargle his cheeto balls.
 
 

Fox & Friends will tell us what he really meant tomorrow

[David Dennison 17660]

5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, his approval is still at 40%.  And as was mentioned, the republicans use voter suppression and gerrymandering to ensure they can win without majorities.  The mouthbreathers are a cult, a huge one, who will be running our fucking lives for the foreseeable future.  All I can do is vote against them and keep these idiots out of my own life.  I've never had a problem being friends or acquaintances with people I don't agree with, but those people at least listen and can support their beliefs intelligently.  The Trump cult has no  such value and are useless to me, and would serve only to make me miserable.  I just can't fathom why or how anyone can ignore facts to support this moron.  

He's going to lose badly if he's still in office in 2020.

[HenryJames 64910]

 

[wildcat09 28387]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

He's going to lose badly if he's still in office in 2020.

The GOP could get a mudhole stomped in them in 2020, Trump could get convicted for actual treason, and the GOP could win a wave election in the 2022 midterms if there's a recession. The portion of the American electorate that isn't reliably straight-party has a collective political memory that's about two weeks long. The GOP will take some damage from Trump, but nothing particularly lasting. 

[David Dennison 17660]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The GOP could get a mudhole stomped in them in 2020, Trump could get convicted for actual treason, and the GOP could win a wave election in the 2022 midterms if there's a recession. The portion of the American electorate that isn't reliably straight-party has a collective political memory that's about two weeks long. The GOP will take some damage from Trump, but nothing particularly lasting. 

I disagree. I think he's doing lasting damage to the party.

We shall see.

[DigDug 1637]

10 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I disagree. I think he's doing lasting damage to the party.

We shall see.

Biggest thing are the yoots.  Party affiliation is very sticky over time, and they are coming of age when it is repulsive to be a R.  This will have ripple effects on their voting patterns for 30 years.  

[Ted Lange 15832]

38 minutes ago, J.R. said:

All your questions are pretty clearly answered in the Criminal Information.

 

The McDougal payment was paid by the parent company of the Enquirer and although Cohen was going to pay to be assigned the NDA rights in that agreement, that was never consummated.  So that is violation #1: direct corporate contribution.

 

The Daniels payment was paid by Cohen through Essential Consultants LLC.  I dont know if that would be considered a "corporation" under campaign finance law, but either way, its violation #2: direct corporate contribution or personal contribution in excess of the limit.  That Trump's real estate company eventually reimbursed Cohen for some of all of this is neither here nor there, although it may constitute additional crimes.

 

 

In the McDougal case, assuming Trump knew (which he did) and they can prove it, then that’s clear cut.  What sort of penalty are we talking about here, does that automatically rise to a felony?   Could trump/NE just say they forgot to report it, and then it b comes a reporting issue?

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43 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lol that dumb motherfucker straight up admits he committed a felony under the belief that what he's saying is actually exculpatory.  and FNC doesn't even try to stop him!

You act as though the average FNC personality would understand anything more than TurboTax.  Oh wait, they pay somebody to do their taxes, so they don't even understand that.

[Gil Bang 25509]

 

[lemonlime 5482]

7 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

In the McDougal case, assuming Trump knew (which he did) and they can prove it, then that’s clear cut.  What sort of penalty are we talking about here, does that automatically rise to a felony?   Could trump/NE just say they forgot to report it, and then it b comes a reporting issue?

They can prove it.  Cohen released the tape to CNN of him and trump talking about it.

[Chooky 13277]

9 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

In the McDougal case, assuming Trump knew (which he did) and they can prove it, then that’s clear cut.  What sort of penalty are we talking about here, does that automatically rise to a felony?   Could trump/NE just say they forgot to report it, and then it b comes a reporting issue?

That sounds like serious grounds for another Benghazi probe.

[Buzzrock 14775]

9 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

In the McDougal case, assuming Trump knew (which he did) and they can prove it, then that’s clear cut.  What sort of penalty are we talking about here, does that automatically rise to a felony?   Could trump/NE just say they forgot to report it, and then it b comes a reporting issue?

No one in here seems to know, I seem to recall that when I went and did some reading on it, most campaign contribution violations end up with a slap on the wrist. I found one case where someone was made an example of and sent to prison.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13336]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

It should be illegal for Bill Kristol to use the word "lit."

All right, everybody, it's time to christen the sloop! Come along, children. You can shake your booties down on the dock.
 

[David Dennison 17660]

Just now, Buzzrock said:

No one in here seems to know, I seem to recall that when I went and did some reading on it, most campaign contribution violations end up with a slap on the wrist. I found one case where someone was made an example of and sent to prison.

Donald Trump has much bigger problems than a campaign finance violation.

The State of NY is about to crawl up his ass for laundering money through the Trump Foundation. His former lawyer is going to sing like a bird.

[lemonlime 5482]

1 minute ago, Buzzrock said:

No one in here seems to know, I seem to recall that when I went and did some reading on it, most campaign contribution violations end up with a slap on the wrist. I found one case where someone was made an example of and sent to prison.

In how many of those cases in which there was a failure to report was the candidate using holding companies to pay off multiple women he had affairs with to stop them from going public in the weeks prior to the election keeping information from the electorate?

[Buzzrock 14775]

Just now, lemonlime said:

In how many of those cases in which there was a failure to report was the candidate using holding companies to pay off multiple women he had affairs with to stop them from going public in the weeks prior to the election keeping information from the electorate?

I don't know.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

29 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

It's interesting, the Clinton Foundation currently holds a 4-star (out of 4) rating from Charity Navigator, with an overall score of 92.4 (out of 100).  Their concern is "low" (as opposed to "moderate" or "high").  They derive their scores from IRS Form 990.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation does not have a score, as it is allegedly dissolving, but concern is "high" due to (among other things) an admission of violating its ban on "self-dealing", as well as the NY State AG's lawsuit filed ~ 2 months ago for " Extensive And Persistent Violations Of State And Federal Law."

BUT THE CLINTONS!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by jimmyjazz

[Brisketexan 103148]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

People seem to be sleeping on the Obstruction of Justice angle.

If a Mueller report on obstruction becomes public before the midterms, look out.

I know Brisket “nothing matters” but I see this whole thing as a Cat 5 hurricane brewing in the gulf.  It’s going to have consequences.

You bet, it's a hellacious storm.  The problem is, Trump is this:

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

He admits guilt all the time. It apparently doesn’t matter.

It doesn't.

42 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, his approval is still at 40%.  And as was mentioned, the republicans use voter suppression and gerrymandering to ensure they can win without majorities.  The mouthbreathers are a cult, a huge one, who will be running our fucking lives for the foreseeable future.  All I can do is vote against them and keep these idiots out of my own life.  I've never had a problem being friends or acquaintances with people I don't agree with, but those people at least listen and can support their beliefs intelligently.  The Trump cult has no  such value and are useless to me, and would serve only to make me miserable.  I just can't fathom why or how anyone can ignore facts to support this moron.  

 

Gallup's weekly approval rating (I've been following that because it matches up with similar polling as to previous presidents) has him at 42% the week of 8/19.  Anyone want to bet on what it is gonna be the week of 8/26?  It COULD drop to 39%....but you also know it could go up to 44%.

I don't care what guys like me think -- we knew Trump was a shit-covered clown show in a goat rodeo before he was even elected.  I care what the public thinks.  Particularly his base, because as the base goes, so goes GOP leadership.  And the base is all-in on Cult 45.  They aren't going to budge.

[DigDug 1637]

17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Donald Trump has much bigger problems than a campaign finance violation.

The State of NY is about to crawl up his ass for laundering money through the Trump Foundation. His former lawyer is going to sing like a bird.

Like a bird

[Biff Tannen 44921]

16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's interesting, the Clinton Foundation currently holds a 4-star (out of 4) rating from Charity Navigator, with an overall score of 92.4 (out of 100).  Their concern is "low" (as opposed to "moderate" or "high").  They derive their scores from IRS Form 990.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation does not have a score, as it is allegedly dissolving, but concern is "high" due to (among other things) an admission of violating its ban on "self-dealing", as well as the NY State AG's lawsuit filed ~ 2 months ago for " Extensive And Persistent Violations Of State And Federal Law."

BUT THE CLINTONS!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Deep State man.  It's all a conspiracy.  To the core.

[Kyrie Eleison 9248]

1 hour ago, Jograves said:

That's so weird. I really believed him when he stood on AF1 and said he didn't know anything about the payments and the reporter needed to ask Cohen. I wonder why he's changed his tune now. Must've just misremembered, I guess. 

there was no affair...she violated the non-disclosure...there wasn't any payment....i wasn't aware of any payment...i paid her.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's interesting, the Clinton Foundation currently holds a 4-star (out of 4) rating from Charity Navigator, with an overall score of 92.4 (out of 100).  Their concern is "low" (as opposed to "moderate" or "high").  They derive their scores from IRS Form 990.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation does not have a score, as it is allegedly dissolving, but concern is "high" due to (among other things) an admission of violating its ban on "self-dealing", as well as the NY State AG's lawsuit filed ~ 2 months ago for " Extensive And Persistent Violations Of State And Federal Law."

BUT THE CLINTONS!!!

 

 

 

 

 

What's striking to me is that the Trump/Sessions DOJ still hasn't been able to dig up a single crime on Hillary, despite it being among the greatest desires of both Trump, Sessions, and their hatchet men.   If they can't find a crime, it isn't there. 

[d2o 1600]

54 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's going to lose badly if he's still in office in 2020.

The Dems better trot someone other than Hillary out there in 2020 for this to be true.

[Whitman 694]

39 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You act as though the average FNC personality would understand anything more than TurboTax.  

That was Timothy Geithner.....oops, never mind, he fucked that up too.

[Whitman 694]

A damn Medal of Distinction should be handed out for banging this lass.

 

 

[Michael Knight 12663]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

You talking about this one?

 

seems like he doesn't understand that paying for a campaign expense from personal funds without reporting the expenditure IS in fact a campaign finance violation. Isn't this straight up an admission of guilt?

Edited August 22, 2018 by Michael Knight

[Gil Bang 25509]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

More like a receipt. 

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[Mojo Hand 4580]

3 minutes ago, Whitman said:

A damn Medal of Distinction should be handed out for banging this lass.

 

 

More like a receipt. 

[Lurch 5916]

A damn Medal of Distinction should be handed out for banging this lass.
 
 

With 3-month old Barron back home. What a hero.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

9 minutes ago, Whitman said:

A damn Medal of Distinction should be handed out for banging this lass.

 

 

She thought she was getting this

 

 

but Trump gave her this on a participant certificate instead. 

 

 

 

[Lagunamadre 1975]

26 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

What's striking to me is that the Trump/Sessions DOJ still hasn't been able to dig up a single crime on Hillary, despite it being among the greatest desires of both Trump, Sessions, and their hatchet men.   If they can't find a crime, it isn't there. 

In addition to a year long FBI investigation into email and a year long investigation into the investigation (horowitz) and a multi year congressional investigation into emails and separately Benghazi. 

Still zilch.

The Fox News outside didn't tell you.  

[High Plains Drifter 10916]

49 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's interesting, the Clinton Foundation currently holds a 4-star (out of 4) rating from Charity Navigator, with an overall score of 92.4 (out of 100).  Their concern is "low" (as opposed to "moderate" or "high").  They derive their scores from IRS Form 990.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation does not have a score, as it is allegedly dissolving, but concern is "high" due to (among other things) an admission of violating its ban on "self-dealing", as well as the NY State AG's lawsuit filed ~ 2 months ago for " Extensive And Persistent Violations Of State And Federal Law."

BUT THE CLINTONS!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Pfft. "Charity Navigator". What sort of liberal lies is that?

 

 

[Ted Lange 15832]

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

14 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

In addition to a year long FBI investigation into email and a year long investigation into the investigation (horowitz) and a multi year congressional investigation into emails and separately Benghazi. 

Still zilch.

The Fox News outside didn't tell you.  

Yep.   I admit, I thought she probably committing a crime with the email server.  But nothing prevents the DOJ from bringing charges now.  Or for any other crime she supposedly commited, with the Foundation or something else.  That they haven't, under the most anti-Hillary leadership possible, speaks volumes. 

[SubliminalHorn 6328]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's interesting, the Clinton Foundation currently holds a 4-star (out of 4) rating from Charity Navigator, with an overall score of 92.4 (out of 100).  Their concern is "low" (as opposed to "moderate" or "high").  They derive their scores from IRS Form 990.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation does not have a score, as it is allegedly dissolving, but concern is "high" due to (among other things) an admission of violating its ban on "self-dealing", as well as the NY State AG's lawsuit filed ~ 2 months ago for " Extensive And Persistent Violations Of State And Federal Law."

BUT THE CLINTONS!!!

 

 

 

 

 

OnBoard will gladly explain why the Clintons were a much bigger threat than trump and that it’s our fault he had to vote for him