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He's a destructive contrarian whose goal, at best, is addition by subtraction.  And that's being charitable. 


His destruction is a product of not knowing how things work, having no interest in learning, and so hitting anything in sight when he does not get his way.

He is a two year old. Giving him an attribution of actual ideology is far too generous.


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1 minute ago, Bookman said:

This fucking piece of shit President. I’ll never understand how 63,000,000 Americans voted for this fat fuck.

How many of those 63,000,000 are going to Church this morning and pretending to be Christians?

Not many bc it’s neither Christmas nor Easter. #parttimereligious

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Satan himself could have risen from the depths of hell and won the republican nomination, and roughly the same number of people would have voted for him over Hillary.

"Now look, I'm not saying I condone everything Satan has done, but you've got to think big picture here..."

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Francisco 2.0

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Gee, I thought he took full responsibility.  I mean, he even looked at a camera and told Schumer that he would shut it down and take responsibility.  Or was that fake news? 

 

 

Oh, I was right.  Silly me.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/blame-trump-shut-down-government-wall.html

 

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3. Trump loudly and repeatedly claimed responsibility for shutting down the government. This is really the key step in the sequence. It is tricky to blame the opposing party for a shutdown when you say things like, “I will take the mantle,” “I’m not going to blame you for it,” and, “I will take the mantle of shutting down, and I’m going to shut it down for border security.” At this point, it would have been hard for Democrats to take the blame for the shutdown even if they wanted to.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Gee, I thought he took full responsibility.  I mean, he even looked at a camera and told Schumer that he would shut it down and take responsibility.  Or was that fake news? 

 

 

Oh, I was right.  Silly me.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/blame-trump-shut-down-government-wall.html

 

 

 

He said it over and over again, that he'd take responsibility, and he was lying. Seems like everything he says over and over again he's lying about. Like no paying of stormy off, no puppet, no pee tape and no collusion. 

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Hmmm. So the possible conclusions could be:

1. Trump has changed his mind on the wall (possibly several times) because he's an erratic moron with no ideology to guide his decisions?

2. He's using the wall argument to shut down the government in a feeble hope that it stalls investigations?

3. Muledick?

 

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1 hour ago, Chooky said:

Step 1.)  Put ADHD on ignore.

Step 2.)  Regret making a list of more than one step in a list of steps that only required one step.

damn his/her? ass.  i had to look up how to put on ignore.  what i hadn't considered is that it only works if i log in.  i usually only log in when i want to expose my limitations.

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2 hours ago, retread said:

 

Reinforces the idea many of us have suggested that the Wall is all about distraction and rallying his troops to protect him from Mueller and what's about to rain down.   He is pulling out a lot of the oldies.   But he has run through all his ammo, and the wall hits best. 

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^ He hinted at a new caravan in the last couple of days, so that's warming up on the back burner.

He's such a selfish dolt that I don't think he really has any policy positions. Bannon told him to repeat 'The Wall' a thousand times, and it got him elected. Now, it's mainly his way of lashing out and inflicting pain. It's all he's got.

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Stephen Miller steps into spotlight amid chaos in 'zombie' White House press shop

https://news.yahoo.com/stephen-miller-steps-spotlight-amid-chaos-zombie-white-house-press-shop-162406275.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw

WASHINGTON — In recent weeks, the White House has been shaken by an ongoing government shutdown, tumbling markets and the abrupt departure of Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis. With few allies leftin the White House and a press office in disarray, President Trump has increasingly turned to Stephen Miller, one of the key architects of his hard-line immigration policies, to be the public face of his administration.

Miller had remained behind the scenes much of the last year, but earlier this month he stepped into the spotlight for a rare pair of television appearances that has left Trump allies with concerns about the state of the White House communications operation. Three of them shared their perspectives with Yahoo News.

Trump’s reliance on Miller comes as the White House press operation has been rocked by reports of impending high-profile departures. These rumors have come as the president’s spokespeople have retreated from view as weeks have gone without on-the-record briefings. Since Dec. 19, Trump’s communications team hasn’t even accomplished its most basic task: distributing guidance detailing the president’s public schedule.

The White House did not respond to multiple requests for comment from Yahoo News about the lack of briefings, guidance and Miller’s growing public profile. Former members of the Trump administration were far more forthcoming, though they requested anonymity in order to frankly detail their concerns.

Several former officials who spoke to Yahoo News said Miller’s reemergence as a public face of the White House was a public relations catastrophe.

“If you’re a comms person, you don’t want to have him out there because every time he goes out, it’s an absolute disaster,” one former West Wing staffer told Yahoo News.

Another former White House official echoed that sentiment.

“Miller is so awful on TV, it’s counterproductive to put him on,” the ex-official said.

A former member of Trump’s transition team told Yahoo News they believed Miller came to the fore because other officials are unenthusiastic about the hard-line immigration policies Miller pushed the president to adopt.

While Trump launched his presidential campaign with blistering attacks on illegal immigration, Miller has been the mastermind who designed policies to target migrants. He was a major force pushing for Trump’s travel ban aimed at certain majority-Muslim countries and the separation of immigrant children from their parents at the border.

“Nobody wants to defend Stephen’s positions, so they stick his ass out there,” the ex-transition team member said. “Stephen’s in the background telling everyone, ‘Max pressure, max pressure,’ and saying those things are feasible. Everyone who’s actually worked in policy is like, ‘That can’t work, go defend it yourself.’”

Miller did not respond to multiple requests for comment from Yahoo News about concerns surrounding his public appearances.

Even before Miller took the lead in urging the shutdown over border wall funding, many of the policies most closely associated with him have been lightning rods. The so-called Muslim travel ban and the child separation policy both sparked widespread protests and legal challenges.

The former member of Trump’s transition team said Miller managed to survive in spite of these “strategic mistakes” because his ideas appeal to the president.

“The boss likes him,” the former transition member said of Miller. “He’s certainly not judged on his policy successes; all he has is failures. … He shows deference and he makes these outrageous policy suggestions.”

Watching Miller represent the Trump administration during an especially tense stretch this past month left some Trump allies convinced the White House messaging operation has gone haywire. These concerns have been fueled by dramatic staff turnover and continuing rumors of more imminent departures from the White House press office.

Indeed, just as Miller has stepped into the spotlight, some of the regular White House spokespeople have disappeared from view. Press secretary Sarah Sanders and deputy press secretary Raj Shah have both seen their public roles diminish since June, when reports first emerged they were planning to depart the West Wing.

Sanders, one of the most visible White House faces, is now conducting briefings about once a month rather than a few times a week as was customary in previous administrations and earlier in Trump’s tenure. Her retreat from the briefing room has coincided with a growing chorus of reports saying she is plotting an exit.

Yahoo News reached out to Sanders to ask about the criticism of the White House press operation and rumors of her impending exit. She answered with an email saying she’s “traveling” and asked for specific questions and details about this story. Sanders did not respond after receiving a list of queries.

Shah, one of the only other spokespeople who has led multiple briefings, is also keeping a low profile. In July, Shah was tapped to work on communications for the confirmation of Trump’s Supreme Court pick, Brett Kavanaugh. By September, Yahoo News reported Shah had told multiple associates he planned to leave his post after Kavanaugh was seated. One of the sources familiar with Shah’s plans said his “calculus” included the assumption Sanders also planned to leave the White House.

Shah did not respond to multiple requests for comment from Yahoo News. While Shah has stayed mum about his situation, his title has changed to “communications adviser” from “principal deputy press secretary.”

Both the ex-official and the second former White House staffer said they heard Shah would be off the White House payroll after the year ends.

Trump has already had five different communications directors. The former White House staffer also pointed to some lower profile departures and said they had a clear impact. The Trump administration has shed at least four assistant press secretaries, resulting in vacancies and hasty promotions in a position the ex-staffer described as vital for “playing triage.”

“You have a situation where stories that could have been small are now blowing up and just causing huge crises and controversies,” the former staffer said.

Bill Shine, who became Trump’s fifth communications director in July, did not respond to multiple requests for comment on this story.

The ex-staffer also suggested the White House had devoted insufficient resources to develop a team to publicly advocate for the administration and build relationships with television networks. They attributed some of the reluctance to engage with media to fear that followed a crackdown on leaks that occurred after a spate of negative stories earlier in the Trump administration.

This concern about unauthorized press engagement resulted in a situation where people were only communicating with reporters anonymously — and critically.

“There’s this fear factor with this whole leaking thing,” the ex-staffer said. “Now no one talks to the press except to leak.”

The other former official agreed that the White House communications operation was understaffed, and suggested it would have a hard time finding new talent.

“No professional in good standing will even interview for a job.” The former White House official said, adding, “It’s a zombie comms shop. Night of the living dead.”

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19 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Reinforces the idea many of us have suggested that the Wall is all about distraction and rallying his troops to protect him from Mueller and what's about to rain down.   He is pulling out a lot of the oldies.   But he has run through all his ammo, and the wall hits best. 

All true and spot on.  

However, there is another dynamic at play here concerning the GOP, immigration, and life after Trump.   

Immigration was the #1 issue in right wing media leading up to the 2016 election.  By Trump keeping the Wall in the spotlight, he is also keeping the immigration issue alive and well for the rest of the GOP and future campaigning.  

Objectively and statistically speaking, the illegal immigration problem is absurdly overblown and the country has much bigger issues than caravans from Honduras.  

 But no savvy politician can say that or they will come off as an open borders libtard.

The right has created this Frankenstein monster they refuse to solve because it’s such a great way to separate themselves from the democrats in the minds of most Americans. 

They are going to ride the immigration shit to 2020 and beyond, with or without Trump.

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4 hours ago, Bookman said:

This fucking piece of shit President. I’ll never understand how 63,000,000 Americans voted for this fat fuck.

How many of those 63,000,000 are going to Church this morning and pretending to be Christians?

Was at one of the larger Baptist churches in Austin this morning, and I can tell you not many made it to the 8:30 service.   

Probably traveling, I’m sure.  

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This fucking piece of shit President. I’ll never understand how 63,000,000 Americans voted for this fat fuck.

How many of those 63,000,000 are going to Church this morning and pretending to be Christians?

Christians are now the Romans.  They've jumped the shark.  Seriously, it's sad but the most bigoted people I meet tend to be regular church goers.  

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9 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Christians are now the Romans.  They've jumped the shark.  Seriously, it's sad but the most bigoted people I meet tend to be regular church goers.  

prime purpose for churches these days is to allow for bad behavior.

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Because a Wall will totally deal with people wanting amnesty or coming here for work. I mean that's way more effective than trying to actually fix the immigration system to make it easier for workers to come in or illegals to come out of the shadows. 

Love the "Democrats walked away from the negotiations". No, the president refused to sign the spending bill. The president is the person who shut down the government. It's really not that hard and no one is buying your bullshit line. 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

All true and spot on.  

However, there is another dynamic at play here concerning the GOP, immigration, and life after Trump.   

Immigration was the #1 issue in right wing media leading up to the 2016 election.  By Trump keeping the Wall in the spotlight, he is also keeping the immigration issue alive and well for the rest of the GOP and future campaigning.  

Objectively and statistically speaking, the illegal immigration problem is absurdly overblown and the country has much bigger issues than caravans from Honduras.  

 But no savvy politician can say that or they will come off as an open borders libtard.

The right has created this Frankenstein monster they refuse to solve because it’s such a great way to separate themselves from the democrats in the minds of most Americans. 

They are going to ride the immigration shit to 2020 and beyond, with or without Trump.

 

I wish someone would do a documentary or series on immigration.   Much like the Active Measures doc, or Inequality for All, or 13.   Show the progression of immigration, the rule changes and the benefits and costs associated with each rule change.   I think where we are now in immigration law is convoluted, and most people have no idea how we got where we are today with this. 

If the Dems screwed up, show that, if the R's did, then show that.  Talk about potential changes to make for a better system.   Then let the Dems ride that expose into 2020.  They own their part in it and pledge to make competent changes.  Start doing that now with introducing change to fight Wall. 

The best way to put this to rest is for there to be a comprehensive guide to this boondoggle.  All we see are bits and pieces.   Put those together and publish, then start dialog from there.

Seems to me that would take the teeth out of a lot of the R scare tactic.

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14 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Seems to me that would take the teeth out of a lot of the R scare tactic.

Good idea but sadly I doubt it would because the GOP tactics aren’t trying to appeal to people thoughtful or open minded.  

The Republicans LOVE their bullshit issues ginned up to their ignorant base.  Statues, transgender bathrooms, prayer in school, caravans, abortion, gay marriage, Muslim refugees. 

Yes, these are the issues that will make or break America.

 Never mind the broken healthcare system, rising costs of living, climate change, insane amounts of gun violence, increasingly unaffordable higher education, the deficit/debt, or the absurd wealth inequality.  

Those issues are of no importance to the GOP.

We need WALL!

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On 12/29/2018 at 1:42 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

On the topic of govt workers that are expected to show up to work and get paid later, how long would any of us agree to that pay plan?  A month?  Two?

at some point I would think it would be illegal to require someone to work without pay, or the uncertainty of pay.   If you don’t show up, we are going to fire you, but if you do show up we’re not paying you.  

My understanding is the rules are such that if you miss a day of work during a shutdown, for any reason, you don't get your back pay when the shutdown ends.

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1 hour ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

My understanding is the rules are such that if you miss a day of work during a shutdown, for any reason, you don't get your back pay when the shutdown ends.

You are correct.  Also, consider the hypothetical:

Shutdown has lasted a week.  You take a sick day or two.  Shutdown goes into second week.  You are scheduled to work...but, because you took off those sick days...you just don't come back to work when you feel like it.  You are off work until the shutdown ends...and you essentially took a non-paid vacation for that time.

Also, this.  You have scheduled vacation prior to the shutdown.  Shutdown occurs...you lost that vacation.  Here's an ABC article about an air traffic controller in that situation.

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As an air traffic controller, her husband, Thomas, is a federal employee affected by the government shutdown. He won't be getting a paycheck for his work this week, directing aircraft in and out of Oakland International Airport.

But that's not all. His family won't be able to go on vacation, either, since he's unable to receive paid time off for the duration of the shutdown.

"All scheduled paid leave and other paid time off, (including paid holiday time off), are canceled for lapse-affected employees during a lapse in appropriations," the U.S. Office of Personnel Management guidelines say.

As a result, Gray's family vacation may be upended.

"He did have to turn in his vacation week for next week because there’s no guarantee you’d get paid for vacation days," Lisa Gray, herself a former air traffic controller told ABC News.

 

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Furloughed "non-essential" workers, who are forced to stay home and not work, and "essential" employees currently working without pay will probably get back pay after Congress passes a law to provide it once the shutdown ends. This has been the case in every previous shutdown.

But workers with planned vacation, who are subject to a "use it or lose it" policy in which they cannot roll over days, must choose between the risk of not getting paid back for the time off, or skipping the vacation and taking the financial loss of airplane tickets, hotel reservations and other arrangements that they made in advance — which is the case for many during the holiday season.

 

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