Donald Trump 2018

[HtownHorn 15235]

Don't think @jack is going to appreciate this ruling too much.

[4th&Five 42005]

I assume they’ll stop selling concessions and lock the bathrooms during the anthem from now on at NFL games too? After all it’s disrespectful to the flag and country to not be recognizing both during our sacred anthem. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by 4th&Five

[GRHorn 105]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Until it is.

There are many stops on the way to all out tyranny.

Trump is well on his way.  He’s subverted two branches of government already.

Schiff’s absolute power quote is technically inaccurate but it’s not too far off.

Man this forum is incredible.  We are so far from all out tyranny, it’s funny. 

Schiff is a dope who has upped his profile immensely from pumping this stuff.  People lap it up.  

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32 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

They should actually see this as a loss. They lose one of their bullshit dog whistles.

Oh you think the players are just going to stop? Now that they have a confirmed 1st amendment case? Hah.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Man this forum is incredible.  We are so far from all out tyranny, it’s funny. 

Schiff is a dope who has upped his profile immensely from pumping this stuff.  People lap it up.  

Right.  Military parades and if you don’t stand and clap it’s treason.

Perfectly normal.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3873]

4 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

When you look at the NRA as a consumer marketing organization to sell products (guns) they make a lot more sense than if you see them as a political group.

The 1970s responsible gun ownership NRA wouldn't recognize a thing about the present day gun sales cheerleader NRA.

[Brisketexan 106902]

50 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The main reason NFL fans are upset about the kneeling is because of DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.  If Dotard said these athletes had the right to protest, most of the anger would dissipate. He and Pence are directly responsible. 

I mean, look at these fucking goons. 

 

You have FORCED someone to "honor" a symbol....and that's "winning?"

This is the adult moron equivalent of telling two kids who hate each other "tell him you're sorry.  I SAID TELL HIM YOU'RE SORRY!"   [muttering] "sorry."  Wow.  Big win there.

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2 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

The 1970s responsible gun ownership NRA wouldn't recognize a thing about the present day gun sales cheerleader NRA.

Hell, the 1960s NRA was anti second amendment, along with Governor Ronald Reagan.

[Chad Fuck 18135]

This is some real brownshirt type shit.  Salute the flag or else!

[Mojo Hand 4580]

7 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

Oh you think the players are just going to stop? Now that they have a confirmed 1st amendment case? Hah.

Unfortunately I don't think there is much of a remedy. Courts could prevent Trump from actually punishing the NFL if it stood up to him, but the NFL capitulated.  Like most things in the constitution, it is up to the vigilant citizenry to preserve our rights through the vote. 

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

https://thefederalist.com/2018/05/22/james-clapper-just-lied-again-about-his-previous-lies-about-nsa-spying/

He also was involved in the faulty Iraq WMD intelligence assessment.

 

And before you mention it, yes I realize that he is one of many people still involved with intelligence that took part in that.  Some like Bolton were brought back by Trump.  I think that’s shameful.

There’s other examples, but suffice it to say Clapper is one of the main reasons that the American people do not trust the intelligence community.

We went to war in Iraq because it was foreordained when Dubya was elected. It wasn't a failing of U.S. intelligence that sent us into that fiasco after 9/11. That was just how it was sold. The administration was only looking for an excuse.

[relapse98 634]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Unfortunately I don't think there is much of a remedy. Courts could prevent Trump from actually punishing the NFL if it stood up to him, but the NFL capitulated.  Like most things in the constitution, it is up to the vigilant citizenry to preserve our rights through the vote.  

Que? Its the players that have the 1st amendment case. The NFL just agreed with Trump, so if they kneel next year and get punished... game on.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

9 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

Que? Its the players that have the 1st amendment case. The NFL just agreed with Trump, so if they kneel next year and get punished... game on.

But a private entity can constitutionallly compel speech by its employees.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Mojo Hand

[Post Oak 20568]

I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I consider them to be symbols and I leave symbols to the symbol minded.

George Carlin

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6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

But a private entity can constitutionallly compel speech by its employees.

And the argument is out there that private entities, receiving millions in tax payer incentives to build their stadiums, cannot.

Its also been put forward that the president, by threatening the players and threatening to use the tax code to punish the NFL is a problem for him.

 

Edit: Remember that almost all of these protests are taking place in tax payer owned or funded stadiums.

Edited May 23, 2018 by relapse98

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[David Dennison 19543]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is not a win for them. This problem is going to get worse.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Trump in high school 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Grade of D as in David 13255]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

What you had on the last page were people predicting a military coup to depose a president who was removed from office but refused to leave. Or a military backed dictatorship coming to power. Or some other form of fundamentally undermining the Constitution. If we're going there, the shit is going to hit the fan.  We are at any moment approximately 72 hours from total societal collapse. If it comes to that, and a despotic takeover of the federal government is in play to set that off, I'm going to go ahead and keep my ARs close by.   

Less than that if the Russians, Chinese, or Norks decide to hit our power grid.

Did you see the absolute batshit crazy behavior that occurred at Austin gas stations during hurricane Harvey? If the lights go out all hell will break loose.

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

God damn, it's amazing what a hypocrite this orange turd is.  The blue lives who dare stand up to him are piece of shit liars.  The blue lifer pigs on the street that fuck with black/brown people and abuse/imprison them (central park 5?) are great people because A. they fuck with black people who don't vote for him.  B. many of the people who vote for him largely hate black/brown people.  C. The pigs themselves support this bigot shithead.

Yet the GOP continues to support this hate-monger.  His arteries can't clog soon enough.   

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9 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Less than that if the Russians, Chinese, or Norks decide to hit our power grid.

Did you see the absolute batshit crazy behavior that occurred at Austin gas stations during hurricane Harvey? If the lights go out all hell will break loose.

and it seems that we've done very little to protect our future elections and our power grid/facilities

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

33 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

Hell, the 1960s NRA was anti second amendment, along with Governor Ronald Reagan.

Well that’s because the people fighting for their rights to open carry weren’t white.  Black panthers walking around armed was scary.  Reagan did everything he could to stop it as governor.  Claimed the 2nd amendment didn’t provide that right.  Courts said otherwise.

[scottsins 2047]

32 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

And the argument is out there that private entities, receiving millions in tax payer incentives to build their stadiums, cannot.

Its also been put forward that the president, by threatening the players and threatening to use the tax code to punish the NFL is a problem for him.

 

Edit: Remember that almost all of these protests are taking place in tax payer owned or funded stadiums.

#weaponizedtheIRS

[Grade of D as in David 13255]

16 minutes ago, retread said:

and it seems that we've done very little to protect our future elections and our power grid/facilities

That's only because Dotard and his buddies haven't figured out how to profit off of it.

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

34 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

What do we win?  Do I get a check in the mail if the NFL players stand?

[JimmyJames 12271]

37 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

But a private entity can constitutionallly compel speech by its employees.

 

Of course they can. But that’s not what happened here.

The government, trump, compelled a supposedly private entity, the NFL (arguably somewhat public due to public funding of stadiums) into forcing its employees (servants) to stand for the flag. That my friends is tyranny and an eviceration of the first amendment. Maybe we need a National Free Speech Association. 

Now that Trump got away with that, let’s see if he can follow through with the logical next step. My bet is no, but I am an optimist. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

 

Of course they can. But that’s not what happened here.

The government, trump, compelled a supposedly private entity, the NFL (arguably somewhat public due to public funding of stadiums) into forcing its employees (servants) to stand for the flag. That my friends is tyranny and an eviceration of the first amendment. Maybe we need a National Free Speech Association. 

Now that Trump got away with that, let’s see if he can follow through with the logical next step. My bet is no, but I am an optimist. 

don't forget the anti-trust exemption. they are also classified as a non-profit, so they evade paying taxes. 

[Mdhorn 6166]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Man this forum is incredible.  We are so far from all out tyranny, it’s funny. 

Schiff is a dope who has upped his profile immensely from pumping this stuff.  People lap it up.  

And yet you bring the Federalist Papers to it as proof that you're a moronic shill.  Post less or use the ignore feature.  The latter is your friend and the first would be ours.  

Edited May 23, 2018 by Mdhorn

[Ted Lange 16414]

No bigger group of snowflakes than the ones crying over how people act during the anthem.  Absolutley pathetic group of butt hurt simpletons.  Of course that is why they use the word snowflakes over and over and over.  Projection.  Sad!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Mdhorn 6166]

42 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is not a win for them. This problem is going to get worse.

Yep--most if not all franchises are in cities which for the most part are liberal or pretty damn progressive.  If those people decide to say f'k this, then owners and Roger are straight f'ed.    

Edited May 23, 2018 by Mdhorn

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

[Chrispy 132]

10 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

 

Of course they can. But that’s not what happened here.

The government, trump, compelled a supposedly private entity, the NFL (arguably somewhat public due to public funding of stadiums) into forcing its employees (servants) to stand for the flag. That my friends is tyranny and an eviceration of the first amendment. Maybe we need a National Free Speech Association. 

Now that Trump got away with that, let’s see if he can follow through with the logical next step. My bet is no, but I am an optimist. 

They don’t have to stand for the flag. 

[lemonlime 5503]

45 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is not a win for them. This problem is going to get worse.

And the problem getting worse is a win for them.  More dog whistles! 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Chrispy said:

They don’t have to stand for the flag. 

If your’e making a distinction between the flag and the anthem then you are either trolling or being obtuse. Or are you making some sort of different point?

[hayden_horn 11402]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

If your’e making a distinction between the flag and the anthem then you are either trolling or being obtuse. Or are you making some sort of different point?

he's trolling, dude.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

he's trolling, dude.

So is this dude really Swam as some have apparently surmised? Because I don’t see it. Seems too different.  The trolling/dumbassery seems different somehow. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

So is this dude really Swam as some have apparently surmised? Because I don’t see it. Seems too different.  The trolling/dumbassery seems different somehow. 

i don't think it's swam. i think surly got blocked on the ship or something.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, retread said:

Yeah, at least Flake is speaking up and not running away and hiding like his GOP buddies.

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Just now, hayden_horn said:

i don't think it's swam. i think surly got blocked on the ship or something.

Yeah I don’t think its him either. This may be crazy to say, but I kind of miss old Swam. He gave me lots of laughs on the shag. 

[Chrispy 132]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

If your’e making a distinction between the flag and the anthem then you are either trolling or being obtuse. Or are you making some sort of different point?

They can stay in the locker room and kneel if they’d like. They’re given a choice. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Just now, Chrispy said:

They can stay in the locker room and kneel if they’d like. They’re given a choice. 

You make excellent electronic points. I hereby award you 1000 internet points, to spend in whatever way you wish to do so. God speed. 

Just don’t associate with people who kneel for the flag. Because that type of behavior will warrant a flogging by the precept of sector 7. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3873]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This is going to be a PR disaster for the NFL when there are teams whose players mostly remain in the locker room.

Or players from both teams kneel for offsetting penalties and more coverage of their protest. The rule is knee jerk and wasn't well thought out.

Edited May 23, 2018 by ShaggyBevo RIP

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Ted Lange 16414]

#Winning

 

Trump, Pence and the other shitbags, “now stand for the anthem ni@@@@“

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

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20 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, at least Flake is speaking up and not running away and hiding like his GOP buddies.

The message is great but completely empty of substance. Corker and Graham stuck their heads up several months back, and we haven't heard two peeps from them since then. They all know to get in line, and they're all complicit in this.

Edited May 23, 2018 by retread

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

What is Flake supposed to do?

All he can do is use his platform and try to influence others to follow his lead.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]