Donald Trump 2018

[Hank Kingsley 20650]

Can't stop laughing. 

 

[Mdhorn 5908]

22 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

He is a male prostitute.  He actually made $500,000.05 last year.  I asked him, “Tennessee, I don’t understand.  You’re a phenomenally successful gentleman of the night, the Memphis Men-fister ... who gave you five cents?”  

He replied, “Every one of them.”

Coffee is for closers and since Tennessee closed on every one of 'em, Tahoe brought him coffee...and a nickle, every damn time.  

Edited June 11, 2018 by Mdhorn

[Mdhorn 5908]

We're going to write the great Tennessee, Tahoe and Trump novel-- Nickles, Coffee and Big Macs: How Trump Pimped the Republicans and F'd the Rest of US 

[hayden_horn 11360]

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Hayden stole that joke and I burn for revenge

Oh shit did I? I really thought that was original. Fuck. Anyways, kudos for getting there first. It's possible it crept around in the back of my brain to present itself as an original thought. 

[TexasMan 10785]

Wow Bobby De Niro. So brave. So bold. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Trump is the worst negotiator I have ever seen. If you want Mexico to pay for a wall, you don’t broadcast it to the world making it impossible for Mexican politicians to pay for it, you behind the scenes tell Mexico if they don’t pay for the wall then ______.

Same thing going on with NATO and Trump intentionally pissing off all our allies, weakening our standing in the world and in general just fucking things up completely for no good reason.

But we all know that for Trump its not about making a good deal or improving the country, its about stroking his massive ego and satisfying his narcissistic personality disorder. If the country goes to shit because of it, what the fuck does trump care? The most disheartening thing is his supporters are just like him. 

Old white men built and founded this country, not a bunch of lesbian women  and minority “libs.” Apparently the baby boomer generation of old white men has decided that if they can’t rule it completely, they can just tear it down to.  Fuck sharing it with the browns. They would rather destroy it completely. 

[Brisketexan 104485]

Trump is the worst negotiator I have ever seen. If you want Mexico to pay for a wall, you don’t broadcast it to the world making it impossible for Mexican politicians to pay for it, you behind the scenes tell Mexico if they don’t pay for the wall then ______.
Same thing going on with NATO and Trump intentionally pissing off all our allies, weakening our standing in the world and in general just fucking things up completely for no good reason.
But we all know that for Trump its not about making a good deal or improving the country, its about stroking his massive ego and satisfying his narcissistic personality disorder. If the country goes to shit because of it, what the fuck does trump care? The most disheartening thing is his supporters are just like him. 
Old white men built and founded this country, not a bunch of lesbian women  and minority “libs.” Apparently the baby boomer generation of old white men has decided that if they can’t rule it completely, they can just tear it down to.  Fuck sharing it with the browns. They would rather destroy it completely. 

Accurate.

[bolverk 29374]

Quoting retread's link from the last page:

Quote

Leaving the G7 summit on Saturday, President Trump said that the U.S. might end all trade with America’s closest allies if those countries don’t submit to his demands over reduced trade barriers. 

Yeah, not gonna happen, but the fact that he is even willing to contemplate such a suicidal move tells me Trump is even more dangerous than I had given him credit for.

[Anastasis 23378]

Just now, bolverk said:

Quoting retread's link from the last page:

Yeah, not gonna happen, but the fact that he is even willing to contemplate such a suicidal move tells me Trump is even more dangerous than I had given him credit for.

bluster bluster status quo. 

[Mdhorn 5908]

14 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

And let’s suppose the Republicans do act.  Will you applaud them for doing the right thing or will you vilify them for not doing it sooner?  

Which will you do first? 

Depends on when they do it, if they do it or if they continue to vote one way while tweeting another.  Right now, it's all hypotheticals because tweets aren't stronger than votes.  

Edited June 11, 2018 by Mdhorn

[F250 28664]

22 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Oh shit did I? I really thought that was original. Fuck. Anyways, kudos for getting there first. It's possible it crept around in the back of my brain to present itself as an original thought. 

I heard it on an economics podcast a few years ago. A lot of people use the analogy because that's pretty much how a trade deficit works. Which makes you wonder why this is so hard for Trump and company to understand.

 

[Mdhorn 5908]

14 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

Should I applaud them for doing their job and putting the country's best interests first instead of their party's? Sure I will, but our Republican congressmen/women need to be able to grow a backbone and shouldn't have to be constantly reminded to do the right thing.

Doesn't even depend on who's paying because they'll do whatever for the right price.  Remember when politicians talked about how much time and money it took to campaign?  Wasn't long before they didn't care who paid or where they got the money.  

[Equinox 95]

nm

Edited June 11, 2018 by Equinox

[Brisketexan 104485]

I heard it on an economics podcast a few years ago. A lot of people use the analogy because that's pretty much how a trade deficit works. Which makes you wonder why this is so hard for Trump and company to understand.
 

Well...have you considered the possibility that they are stump-fuckingly stupid? Like, all they are is overly active amygdalae? You should consider that possibility.

[Brisketexan 104485]

nm

Also...fake news. It’s a shadow on a shitty video.

Trump’s a fake president. Let’s worry about that.

[Mdhorn 5908]

13 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Baby Boomers: blaming the next Generation since 1985.

I am Gen X. We were slackers, even though we entered the worst job market in years and it has set our career earnings back for a generation.

Milennials are more or less forced to go to college and rack up debt that was unimaginable for Boomers. Housing prices are through the roof. Those smug fucks killed the American dream, and still beat off to Crosby Stills and Nash jams, because, like, they were so enlightened, and they all did such great drugs, and we all fucked each other, and it was sooooo cooolllll....And then we got our corporate jobs and calmed the fuck down and destroyed the middle class and look at those lazy kids over there. 

Fuck 'em all. I am glad I was mostly raised by my grandparents and my non-Boomer dad. My mom was the boomer in the family and she ME-ME-ME'd herself into alcoholism and heroin addiction and an early grave, but at least she didn't talk down to us as lazy slugs. 

It wasn't just the hippies that f'd us.  There were some conservative value bullshit artists that f'd us as well by trying to cheat a bigger part of the pie.  The hippies with their free love weren't creating cigarettes with tar, nicotine, arsenic, ammonia, benzine, uranium and formaldehyde.  

[bolverk 29374]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Also...fake news. It’s a shadow on a shitty video.

Trump’s a fake president. Let’s worry about that.

Did he post that stupid fucking Trudeau eyebrow thing again?

[F250 28664]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well...have you considered the possibility that they are stump-fuckingly stupid? Like, all they are is overly active amygdalae? You should consider that possibility.

I figured the poor working class was just ignorant but I don't get people here that side with Trump on this issue. We all had the same general education requirements, everyone here should have learned this as underclassmen.

[Mdhorn 5908]

13 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Sounds about right.  Anybody who's been in any kind of board meeting or other contentious scenario can attest, you usually can get a feel very quickly for how things are gonna go.

How many meetings do you go to without preparing?  Or admit to making up shit because it sounds right? Or bring a totally unrelated skill set in the likes of a basketball player to the world stage for diplomacy talks.  It's all a petty cry for attention.  

[Brisketexan 104485]

I figured the poor working class was just ignorant but I don't get people here that side with Trump on this issue. We all had the same general education requirements, everyone here should have learned this as underclassmen.

Amygdalae. Learning and logic have nothing to do with it. Trumpkin stupidity is a product of emotion.

[Anastasis 23378]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Amygdalae. Learning and logic have nothing to do with it. Trumpkin stupidity is a product of emotion.

Yeah, coming from the surly poster child for amygdala overload, indeed. 

[Mdhorn 5908]

13 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Trump was the result of a unique storm, but if establishment politicians had been doing an adequate job he wouldn't have been near the threat he became.  Then when it came down to it, a sufficient amount of Americans chose the total wildcard over the standard for the establishment (HRC).  I interpret that as people being fed up with the usual.  Otherwise why choose such uncertainty?

you contradict yourself so many times in your posts that you have to be a troll.  You're not even following your own spewed bullshit.  You earlier stated that Trump won the presidency so his is the will of the people.  Then it's shown that he actually didn't win the popular vote so you go with yeah, but he still won. Now you're in a unique storm phase. F'k you and your stupid posts--I'm not playing your tired, lame ass game anymore.  Ignore.  

Edited June 11, 2018 by Mdhorn

[Bama Chick 28596]

Preach, DeNiro, preach!

They go low, we tell them to get fucked.

"Fuck your feelings!", right Trumpkins?

[Mapache 1117]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Australian report assessment from a year ago still rings true.

 

 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Remarks as prepared for delivery by

The Honorable Dan Coats

Director of National Intelligence

Tocqueville Conversation

Friday, June 8, 2018

Normandy, France

Good evening, and sincere thanks to the Atlantic Council, Le Figaro, and the Tocqueville Foundation for organizing this important conversation about Democracy in the West. 

I enjoyed catching up with Atlantic council board member and a long-time friend Ambassador Boyden Gray and the Atlantic Council’s Executive Vice President Damon Wilson just a few minutes ago.

Jeff Gedmin and I were also able to spend a few minutes together – both of us were previously posted in Berlin.

Last but certainly not least I would like to  acknowledge former U.S. Ambassador to France and my close friend Craig Stapleton, who is here tonight.  Craig, a member of the board of directors for the Tocqueville foundation is the reason I am here.  

So if you don’t like or agree with my remarks today, you can blame Craig.

There is no better venue to address the issue of democracy in the West than here in Normandy.

Duty prevented me from attending the D-Day ceremony, where Allied forces landed on the nearby beaches to liberate the continent.  It was on this ground, in those uncertain days, where decisive action was required and blood was shed to protect our threatened democracies.   

And a century before that, Normandy was home to the famed 19th century French philosopher of democracy in America. 

The writings of Alexis De Tocqueville and the on-going work of the Tocqueville foundation has helped generations of Americans better understand the American political experiment.  

As a stranger in a strange land, his insights on US society, culture, politics, and institutions still strike contemporary readers as prescient and powerful. 

For the rest of the world—including his fellow French citizens—his work still provides an early warning of the challenges and opportunities offered by the growth of democracy and political equality.   

I can’t help but wonder what Tocqueville would assess if he returned to America today? 

To be sure, he would see a democracy that is messy and flawed.  As Winston Churchill said, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those others that have been tried from time to time.” 

But Tocqueville would also see that our democratic experiment has endured many challenges, not least of which include a civil war, two world wars, a cold war, numerous regional conflicts, terrorist attacks, and foreign efforts to undermine our democratic process. 

Together we have successfully met these challenges at great cost of lives and treasure. 

My purpose at this conference is to explore how we can continue and strengthen our democracies to ensure they endure for future generations. 

I’ll approach this question through the lens of my role as the leader of the U.S. Intelligence Community.

In my current position, my responsibility is to focus on foreign threats to our democracy – and refrain from commenting on politics in the U.S.  It is not pretty.

Frankly, I welcome this limitation.  As a former U.S. Senator and member of the House of Representatives, I am acutely aware of the current state of U.S. politics.

So in the context of my current position, I’ll offer my perspective on two topics:

One is the foundational role of intelligence in understanding the foreign threats to our democracies - and I’ll talk particularly about the threat from Russia. 

And the second is the importance of enduring relationships and information-sharing with our European allies in the face of these threats. 

As I see every day in our intelligence reports, we live in a time of uncertainty, turmoil and peril for western democracies.

From Russia’s renewed aggression, to China’s global ambitions, to the persistent threat of terrorism, democracy and faith in our national institutions are under assault.

In addressing these threats, our role in the Intelligence Community is to gain understanding of these threats and provide essential insights to our policymakers.

It requires that we produce objective, unvarnished, non-political assessments. 

And it requires that we tune out the daily political controversies and maintain focus on current challenges and the looming threats on the horizon. 

In our business, we must adhere to the very foundational basis for intelligence agencies.

By that I mean we must seek and speak the truth, offer facts and assessments based on facts, but not opinions.  

I consistently remind our workforce to remain focused on the mission, regardless of the political environment. 

While our work is largely a human endeavor and therefore can be flawed, we strive to be seekers of the truth - to understand the world as it is, rather than how we would like it to be.  

At our best, we help to frame debates, set the parameters for discussions, and present a core set of facts and assessments, all of which serves as the basis for our leaders to make informed decisions. 

This is our goal – an aspiration made all the more important by today’s cacophony of voices and opinions. 

Our assessments aren’t always popular, or what our policy makers had hoped to hear, but these clear-eyed assessments are necessary – as Tocqueville might have put it – to help “educate democracy.”

And they are necessary to help the US and our allies navigate what is the most complex, volatile, and challenging threat environment since World War II. 

Among these threats, we are particularly concerned by external actors working to exacerbate existing social divides in our countries and undermine our democratic order. 

Some—particularly Russia—have pursued and will pursue even more aggressive cyber-attacks and disinformation campaigns with the intent of degrading our democratic values and weakening our alliances. 

While I’m on the topic of Russian malign activity, I’d like to take a second to speak some truth with regards to Russia’s behavior.  

And by behavior, I mean their actions…. not their words.  

In 2016, Russia conducted an unprecedented influence campaign to interfere in the US electoral and political process.

It is 2018, and we continue to see Russian targeting of American society in ways that could affect our midterm elections.

Last year, in France, Russian actors conducted hack and release campaigns against President Macron during the French elections.

Last year, Russia conducted similar operations against German and Norwegian political candidates in an effort to undermine politicians critical of Russia. 

Last year, Russian actors attempted to exploit divisions in Spain over Catalonia in an effort to weaken the Spanish government.

Last year, the Russian military attacked Ukraine with a disruptive cyber-attack… that affected thousands of computer users and cost billions of dollars in damages worldwide. It was the most damaging cyber attack to date.

And, just three months ago, Russian agents attempted to kill two people in the UK using a nerve agent – endangering the lives of hundreds of innocent people nearby, including children.

Vladimir Putin says he wants a united and prosperous Europe because it is Russia’s biggest trade and economic partner, yet all one needs to do is look at the actions of the Russian state, not Putin’s pronouncements.    

Invading Ukraine, seizing Crimea, attacking individuals in the UK with nerve agent, conducting cyber-attacks against multiple EU countries, and undermining the energy resources of Eastern European countries do not strike me as unifying actions.  

I could go on… but I think my point is obvious.

These Russian actions are purposeful and premeditated and they represent an all-out assault, by Vladimir Putin, on the rule of law, Western ideals and democratic norms.

His actions demonstrate that he seeks to sow divisions within and between those in the West who adhere to democratic norms.  

This should not be a surprise.  President Putin openly acknowledges that his experience in the KGB has established his approach to politics. 

Perhaps that is why he thrives in an environment of cynicism, lies, and misdirection.  

He arrests those who dare to run against him in elections and then celebrates when he receives 76% of the popular vote.

The facts and international law are clear and hard to refute.  Which is why the Kremlin resorts to accusations of “Russophobia” and lies when we hold the Russian government accountable for their actions. 

These accusations hold no weight and reflect the old legal saying, “When the facts are your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law.  When neither the facts nor the law is on your side, pound the table.” 

In the face of this common threat, our history of relationships with our democratic allies in Europe bears particular importance. 

Our ties are longstanding and durable. 

They are forged over time and distance, through common purpose and shared sacrifice. 

And our ability to share information, knowledge, and insights about common threats is a foundational pillar of our collective intelligence capabilities, and it would be naïve to think that these threats will dissipate. 

And so our cooperation against these threats is a challenge that together we must engage in.

Of course, our relationships will inevitably ebb and flow. 

We will have differences over policies. We always have, but our overarching relationships have endured.

I arrived in Germany in September of 2001 and my 2ndday on the job as the U.S. Ambassador was September 11th, 2001.

In the days and months that followed that fateful day we developed a remarkable partnership with the Germans in our joint efforts against terrorism. 

During that same time period though, the U.S. relationship with France soured to the point that US Embassies in Europe received guidance from Washington that we were to stop serving French wine. 

This wasn’t a big problem for our Embassy in Berlin – our wine cellar was stocked with German and American wine. 

But I called our then Ambassador in France – Howard Leach – to see how they were faring with this State Department requirement. 

He reported they too had received the instructions from Washington.

He assured me that they were honoring the guidance to get rid of their stock of French wine…one bottle at a time. 

Almost twenty years later, those differences are memories of the past. 

And we now see the center of gravity in Europe shifting toward France. 

President Macron is clearly taking a more assertive role in addressing European and global challenges. 

And our intelligence cooperation with the French is quite strong and hopefully will continue to grow.  

One of the benefits of this trip is the opportunity I have to visit with and strengthen ties to my intelligence and security counterparts here in France.  

Meanwhile, as a former Ambassador to Germany, I’m personally disappointed to see that Germany – the country most capable of providing strength and resources to Europe – isn’t punching up to its weight. 

Our expectation is that our partners will join us in countering malign aggression and global threats. 

In doing so, they are not taking a political stand, but a stand to guard and sustain our security and democratic values. 

True cooperation requires that we all contribute our fair share of our unique expertise, capabilities, and resources because the threats we are facing are simply too complex to tackle alone. 

Recognizing that the United States cannot be the sole global security guarantor.

On this point it should be noted that we have appreciated President Macron’s willingness to take a greater role in global and regional security issues.

Cooperation also requires that we see beyond the ebb and flow of policy disputes, and maintain our steady collaboration on vital security interests. 

In this sense, we must support European institutions, like NATO, that are both the target and deterrent to malign aggression. 

I’ve been an enthusiastic supporter of the new NATO intelligence division under the leadership of my German friend Arndt Freitag von Loringhoven.  

This newly established intelligence arm of NATO creates a mechanism to coordinate and integrate intelligence among member states.

This is similar to the approach we have taken in the United States to integrate the 17 elements our Intelligence Community. 

In doing so, we bring to life Aristotle’s dictum that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. 

The Russian threat in particular has awakened Europe to the need to reinvigorate NATO and bolster our collective defenses. 

Allow me to repeat this again…

The Russians are actively seeking to divide our Alliance, and we must not allow that to happen. 

And so I call on all of our allies to carry their share of the burden and shared responsibility we have to address the challenge of our time. 

As I conclude, let me acknowledge that I know that governing a democracy is complex and difficult. 

After all, I served in the U.S. Congress for most of my career with a front row seat to the difficulty of legislating in a toxic public environment.  

But I urge us all to look beyond the day-to-day headlines, individual policy differences, and the fractious politics in our countries.

And remain focused on the long-term trajectory of the threats we face and the cooperation we need to address those threats. 

Seventy-four years ago, our forefathers fought, bled, and sacrificed their lives to free a continent from fascism. 

Today, we honor that sacrifice by recommitting ourselves to the democratic values that Tocqueville articulated. 

Standing together in defense of the democratic order should be and must be our number one priority.  

We owe this to our forefathers, to those who lie below the thousands of white marble crosses in military cemeteries in Europe, America, and around the world, and to our public today, and finally to all those that will inherit the foundational values of democracy, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

Thank you.

[HenryJames 65874]

tl;dr

 

 

[RayDog 682]

Maybe I didn't look far enough back to see it mentioned but I truly admire Trudeau for trolling Trump by giving him a print of Trump's grandfather's Canadian brothel.

And then the clueless Sanders tweeted it like it was a good thing.

Edited June 11, 2018 by RayDog

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Spoiler tag those longcats, Hugo

[GRHorn 105]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

tl;dr

 

 

Same

[Chrispy 132]

8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Can't stop laughing. 

 

Olds acting hip gets me every single time. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26237]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Good evening, and sincere thanks to the Atlantic Council, Le Figaro, and the Tocqueville Foundation for organizing this important conversation about Democracy in the West. 
 

 

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

tl;dr

 

 

It's not just too long, it's a Sharia law "no-go zone".

Edited June 11, 2018 by Bozo_Casanova

[wildcat09 29200]

7 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

you contradict yourself so many times in your posts that you have to be a troll.  You're not even following your own spewed bullshit.  You earlier stated that Trump won the presidency so his is the will of the people.  Then it's shown that he actually didn't win the popular vote so you go with yeah, but he still won. Now you're in a unique storm phase. F'k you and your stupid posts--I'm not playing your tired, lame ass game anymore.  Ignore.  

Anyone seen sheeit around lately? This guy seems somewhat similar in trolling style. 

[Gooby 629]

21 hours ago, Fozzz said:

I don’t get the argument that Trump doesn’t reflect American values or is an aberration. He did win an election saying he would do this shit.

 

That argument seems to imply that the form of democracy we practice is extremely flawed. 

People are too fucking stupid to exactly hear what he said, unless it was a sick burn against one of his opponents.  They were too busy voting for "NOT HER".

[GRHorn 105]

9 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

you contradict yourself so many times in your posts that you have to be a troll.  You're not even following your own spewed bullshit.  You earlier stated that Trump won the presidency so his is the will of the people.  Then it's shown that he actually didn't win the popular vote so you go with yeah, but he still won. Now you're in a unique storm phase. F'k you and your stupid posts--I'm not playing your tired, lame ass game anymore.  Ignore.  

Sorry to hear that, little buddy.  

['stache 21744]

Gee I wonder who has more credibility? Trudeau or Trump? Lol.

[scottsins 1953]

12 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Wow this is a great opportunity to enlighten someone then.  

Sure.

From the Trade War thread:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-effect-solar-insight/billions-in-u-s-solar-projects-shelved-after-trump-panel-tariff-idUSKCN1J30CT

[Mojo Hand 4580]

10 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Can't stop laughing. 

 

Countdown to a freakout about Hollywood libs airing their opinions from the snowflakes who "Stand with Roseanne" and the Apprentice host they made president. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Mojo Hand

[WhatTheBuck 28701]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

tl;dr

 

 

You should read it. He says a lot of things that should be said by the president but never will be. Until we get a real president.

[Brisketexan 104485]

34 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Countdown to a freakout about Hollywood libs airing their opinions from the snowflakes who "Stand with Roseanne" and the Apprentice host they made president. 

Meh.. I'm unimpressed.  Saying "fuck trump" to a room of the like-minded.  Real brave, difference-making stuff there.

We don't need snarky bullshit.  We need an actual fucking resistance.

[Fozzz 152]

Big victory today for white supremacists at the SCOTUS.  The work of Trump's man on the court will help purge countless minorities off of voter rolls in the years to come.  

[jimmyjazz 45515]

Well, in that moment that was about all DeNiro could do.  Whether he needed to go there or not is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't mind the confrontational approach.  These are strange times.

[WhatTheBuck 28701]

It probably just served to boost Trump's ratings with his base. 

[jimmyjazz 45515]

Just now, WhatTheBuck said:

It probably just served to boost Trump's ratings with his base. 

I'm pretty sure it's harder to score better than 100%.  Trump's base has been all in from the jump, and there is no way DeNiro's comments drove "undecided" to Trump.

[pyrohornIII 4804]

14 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Imagine all the prime real estate he could buy on the cheap during a worldwide depression.

Especially when his pockets are full of Russian cash that needs to be laundered.   Trump dgaf if he owns the building, he just wants his name on it.  Like everything else with this moron, it's all about what he thinks others think about him. 

[GhostOfTomJoad 9302]

DeNiro owns a lot of property in NYC. How long before Trump has one of his underlings discover all kinds of zoning issues & code violations in his buildings, restaurants, etc.?

[jimmyjazz 45515]

DeNiro likes a darker shade in his women, he's already on Donald's shit list.

[GRHorn 105]

1 hour ago, scottsins said:

Sure.

From the Trade War thread:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-effect-solar-insight/billions-in-u-s-solar-projects-shelved-after-trump-panel-tariff-idUSKCN1J30CT

Thanks for sharing.  So looks like it’s been a negative so far for the solar industry. 

[GSU&UT 1798]

Of course the constitutionalist voted to uphold this,

 

 

[Pancho 44384]