Donald Trump 2018

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[softlynow 1,894]

So he knows nothing about planes.

[Kilgorehorn 308]

Our training flights in B52s were typically 8 hours or more. Six hours would barely be enough to burn off enough fuel to safely land.

[4th&Five 42,010]

 

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

18 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

This is an unreasonable take at this point in time. I hate the guy’s guts but you have to acknowledge that what happened today is at least a very positive first step towards a tough goal. It may all mean nothing a year from now, but at this point it has to be acknowledged as progress.

No, your take is beyond naive.  The only progress is on Trump's side, because he started with such insane rhetoric, and now things seem better just because he's talking peace.  But the only real change is in Trump's attitude, not anything on the NK side.  We just gave Kim our military exercises in exchange for the same vague promises NK has given us for 25 years at various points.  Today was the first step towards NK's international acceptance as a nuclear state. 

[Dbeasy 15,602]

No, your take is beyond naive.  The only progress is on Trump's side, because he started with such insane rhetoric, and now things seem better just because he's talking peace.  But the only real change is in Trump's attitude, not anything on the NK side.  We just gave Kim our military exercises in exchange for the same vague promises NK has given us for 25 years at various points.  Today was the first step towards NK's international acceptance as a nuclear state. 

Cross post from the Korea thread because you guys need to look inward at yourselves.

Reading the butthurt in here reminds me yet again that 95% of our population, including the posters on here, are simply incapable of perceiving anything political in any way other than reinforcing their existing beliefs. If you hate the left, everything that happens will be perceived thru that lens.

I hate Trump’s guts. But objectively you have to acknowledge that for such an incredibly difficult problem and situation, the agreement with NK is a positive first step. It may all fall apart later, but you have to start somewhere, and commitment to de-nuclearization is the right first step. The only thing we have given up is joint military exercises, which are just a money drain anyway. If things go sideways, we just start exercises again. Sanctions are still in place. Fears over legitimizing Un are way over-blown. The whole world knows he’s a clown. Complaints about no human rights changes are premature. We work with China and they have a plethora of human rights violations. There are a dozen other countries we deal with that also are brutal dictatorships, like Saudi Arabia. The main goal is denuclearization, not solving all their human rights violations. In fact, you can’t easily do that until you’ve solved the nuclear problem first.

You guys are smart. Suck it up and acknowledge that he’s done something that has some value because he has. Otherwise you look just like the science-denying lugheads on the right.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

And I responded on the other thread. 

[Chuckie Finster 23,090]

6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

You guys are smart. Suck it up and acknowledge that he’s done something that has some value because he has. Otherwise you look just like the science-denying lugheads on the right.

Trump praised a murderous dictator, agreed to stop military activities, alienated our most important international allies, and neglected to discuss human rights violations, all in exchange for becoming the fourth US President to oversee a denuclearization pledge from North Korea.  

Value.

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

35 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

Haha. No matter what, its guaranteed that Trump is never going to say he was wrong. 

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3 hours ago, Gardner Barnes said:

Lost is the press conference was this exchange (referring to needing a transcript of the meeting)

 

Dotard: “don’t need it, I have one if the best memories of all time”

 

Hopefully we get to put that memory to good use when he sits to answer questions from Mueller.

[Lurch 5,950]

Well played, Marco

[DixonHur 11,965]

34 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Haha. No matter what, its guaranteed that Trump is never going to say he was wrong. 

He literally says that he won't.

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

This is an unreasonable take at this point in time. I hate the guy’s guts but you have to acknowledge that what happened today is at least a very positive first step towards a tough goal. It may all mean nothing a year from now, but at this point it has to be acknowledged as progress.

Wait, didn't Trump say this was Rocket Man's only shot?

[Prepuce of Doom 21,288]

 

Edited June 12, 2018 by Prepuce of Doom

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19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's like a football game where the other team gets to hold with impunity, gets to chop-block every play, gets to trip, clip, etc.

I thought this was the politics board, not the Big 12 officiating thread.

[Pods 7,637]

Same difference. McConnell/Ryan = Walt Anderson and the GOP = Oklahoma. 

['stache 22,145]

So he's mad at Canada's PM, but gets along swimmingly with a dictator who starves and tortures his own people.  He also calls him a "leader" not a "dictator."  Remember when the right was so angry at Obama for not using the word "Islamic terrorist"?  Lol, this fuckstain won't even call a dictator a dictator.

It's pretty clear why he's mad at Trudeau.  He's everything Trump wishes he were--strong, smart, charming, respected, young, good looking.  It's jealously, pure and simple.  Our "president" has the emotional intelligence of a grade schooler.

Edited June 12, 2018 by 'stache

[Chuckie Finster 23,090]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

So he's mad at Canada's PM, but gets along swimmingly with a dictator who starves and tortures his own people.  He also calls him a "leader" not a "dictator."  Remember when the right was so angry at Obama for not using the word "Islamic terrorist"?  Lol, this fuckstain won't even call a dictator a dictator.

 It's pretty clear why he's mad at Trudeau.  He's everything Trump wishes he were--strong, smart, charming, respected, young, good looking.  It's jealously, pure and simple.  Our "president" has the emotional intelligence of a grade schooler.

Also:

[WhatTheBuck 28,931]

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Trump praised a murderous dictator, agreed to stop military activities, alienated our most important international allies, and neglected to discuss human rights violations, all in exchange for becoming the fourth US President to oversee a denuclearization pledge from North Korea.  

Value.

And he tore up the Iran deal which was an actual deal. So far he's achieved a net negative when it comes to peace and security. 

[Chad Fuck 18,156]

2 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

This has to be the most honest thing that he has uttered in his life.

[Biff Tannen 46,173]

So we are all gonna die.  Nice.

[Chad Fuck 18,156]

It's crazy to even entertain the thought that this is positive.  We gave up significant ground, left our South Korean allies flailing in the wind to ingratiate ourselves to arguably the lowest dictator on the 3rd world rung.  What is NK to us?   Nothing.  Yet now, they are "something."  And all the other little tin-pot dictators from Venezuela to Myanmar are thinking "maybe I should get me some nukes so I can get some American attention too."   

And here we are, the 800 lb. gorilla doing back flips to impress a flea who offers us nothing but a photo op and the same empty promises they've sold us previously.  

Edited June 12, 2018 by Chad Fuck

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

Why is it a positive step?  I don’t think it’s necessarily bad.  I don’t like the President making niceties with one of the worst tyrants in the world for moral reasons, and in that sense it does send a very wrong message.  But the propaganda angle on this is overstated.  Everyone outside NK knows what they are, and everyone inside NK has been fed nonstop propaganda about Kim’s greatness for all their lives.  A photo op doesn’t change.

However, nothing was actually accomplished.  It was a typical Trump bullshit session because that’s all he knows how to do.  Which I’m glad about, because I wouldn’t want him to actually delve into details he doesn’t understand or bind us to a real deal he negotiated.  Barring a miracle whereby NK actually does denuclearize, he will renege on cancelling those exercises with SK next year, too, because that’s what he does.

Letting Trump spend his time having symbolic lunch meetings and friendly golf games in front of the press is probably a good way to manage him and minimize his damage.  He can do what he does best - play act the role of businessman and/or President while feeling like he’s wearing his big boy pants - and other people can make sure things actually get done.

The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have other people that can make sure things actually get done.  More than him simply being a dumbass, that really is what differentiates his Presidency from others. Other Presidents surrounded themselves with niche experts and took advice from them.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Why is it a positive step?  I don’t think it’s necessarily bad.  I don’t like the President making niceties with one of the worst tyrants in the world for moral reasons, and in that sense it does send a very wrong message.  But the propaganda angle on this is overstated.  Everyone outside NK knows what they are, and everyone inside NK has been fed nonstop propaganda about Kim’s greatness for all their lives.  A photo op doesn’t change either side of that.  If anything, people in NK might wonder why Kim is shaking hands with the evil US President they’ve been told is causing their problems.

However, nothing was actually accomplished.  It was a typical Trump bullshit session because that’s all he knows how to do.  Which I’m glad about, because I wouldn’t want him to actually delve into details he doesn’t understand or bind us to a real deal he negotiated.  Barring a miracle whereby NK actually does denuclearize, he will renege on cancelling those exercises with SK next year, too, because that’s what he does.

Letting Trump spend his time having symbolic lunch meetings and friendly golf games in front of the press is probably a good way to manage him and minimize his damage.  He can do what he does best - play act the role of businessman and/or President while feeling like he’s wearing his big boy pants - and other people can make sure things actually get done.

I don't think the internal propaganda angle is overstated at all.   This sends a real message to any internal coup prospects that Kim has significant international strength and is achieving diplomatic success.   His internal power is purely psychological.  He could be toppled if thought weak and unsuccessful. 

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16 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

 

[Evangelical] Well, Catholics ain't really Christian, so...[Nationalist]

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4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

It's crazy to even entertain the thought that this is positive.  We gave up significant ground, left our South Korean allies flailing in the wind to ingratiate ourselves to arguably the lowest dictator on the 3rd world rung.  What is NK to us?   Nothing.  Yet now, they are "something."  And all the other little tin-pot dictators from Venezuela to Myanmar are thinking "maybe I should get me some nukes so I can get some American attention too."   

And here we are, the 800 lb. gorilla doing back flips to impress a flea who offers us nothing but a photo op and the same empty promises they've sold us previously.  

It's at least 'slightly' better than calling each other Dotard and Little Rocket Man via twitter and slingin' rockets over Japan while threatening nuclear annihilation, no?  

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8 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

It's crazy to even entertain the thought that this is positive.  We gave up significant ground, left our South Korean allies flailing in the wind to ingratiate ourselves to arguably the lowest dictator on the 3rd world rung.  What is NK to us?   Nothing.  Yet now, they are "something."  And all the other little tin-pot dictators from Venezuela to Myanmar are thinking "maybe I should get me some nukes so I can get some American attention too."   

And here we are, the 800 lb. gorilla doing back flips to impress a flea who offers us nothing but a photo op and the same empty promises they've sold us previously.  

this is what i don't understand.  we just lost a shit ton of face on the asian continent, giving kim a ton of legitimacy for vague promises. traditionally, in negotiations in asia, vague promises are what we in america call "stringing you along."

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1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

It's at least 'slightly' better than calling each other Dotard and Little Rocket Man via twitter and slingin' rockets over Japan while threatening nuclear annihilation, no?  

I dunno, the dotard burn was legitimately good.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

2 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

It's at least 'slightly' better than calling each other Dotard and Little Rocket Man via twitter and slingin' rockets over Japan while threatening nuclear annihilation, no?  

That's the thing.   The only crisis that has been averted is the one that Trump himself created. 

['stache 22,145]

35 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Also:

So thirsty.

[4th&Five 42,010]

2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

That's the thing.   The only crisis that has been averted is the one that Trump himself created. 

that's really the last 500 days in a nutshell.

[Chad Fuck 18,156]

Just now, babysdaddy said:

It's at least 'slightly' better than calling each other Dotard and Little Rocket Man via twitter and slingin' rockets over Japan while threatening nuclear annihilation, no?  

The war of words was nasty and destabilizing.  But we all knew that at least Lil Kim wasn't going to do anything because he wants to live.  The actual destabilizing part was Dotus facilitating the chaos by responding to him.  It is yet another example of Trump exacerbating (or creating from whole cloth) a problem, then coming up with a shitty "solution" to "fix" it.  

We didn't have to get into the name calling to being with, and we certainly didn't have to legitimize a little Hitler to de-escalate what we escalated to get us back to a point worse than where we started.  

So while saying this is "slightly" better than slinging insults, we didn't need to sling insults to begin with.  In the end, we lost.  Bigly.

[Chad Fuck 18,156]

8 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

this is what i don't understand.  we just lost a shit ton of face on the asian continent, giving kim a ton of legitimacy for vague promises. traditionally, in negotiations in asia, vague promises are what we in america call "stringing you along."

We basically set ourselves up to do a photo op to show the Emperor's new clothes.  Everyone has now taken the measure of Trump and found the tiny hands rumor is true.  Trump grins ear to ear, naked before the world, exclaiming "World Peace!"  

[MaybeACoordinator 8,350]

13 minutes ago, 'stache said:

So thirsty.

Jared is probably yapping at her about that about now

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

11 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

The war of words was nasty and destabilizing.  But we all knew that at least Lil Kim wasn't going to do anything because he wants to live.  The actual destabilizing part was Dotus facilitating the chaos by responding to him.  It is yet another example of Trump exacerbating (or creating from whole cloth) a problem, then coming up with a shitty "solution" to "fix" it.  

We didn't have to get into the name calling to being with, and we certainly didn't have to legitimize a little Hitler to de-escalate what we escalated to get us back to a point worse than where we started.  

So while saying this is "slightly" better than slinging insults, we didn't need to sling insults to begin with.  In the end, we lost.  Bigly.

The rocket tests were the real danger.  Not because they intended to hit anyone with them, but because their rockets are pretty shitty and could have accidentally hit Japan which would have required a Japanese response.  Luckily that didn't happen.

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21 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

That's the thing.   The only crisis that has been averted is the one that Trump himself created. 

That's his game. Meanwhile he's speeding Iran on their way to developing nukes. 

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1. Spill Milk

2.  Wipe up Milk

3. Declare Victory

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[WhatTheBuck 28,931]

10 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Jared is probably yapping at her about that about now

"What's he like?"

[Chad Fuck 18,156]

8 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

The rocket tests were the real danger.  Not because they intended to hit anyone with them, but because their rockets are pretty shitty and could have accidentally hit Japan which would have required a Japanese response.  Luckily that didn't happen.

Agreed, the rocket tests were a danger.  And if that doesn't happen anymore, that's great.  My suspicion is that at some point, when they decide they want something from Trump, they'll fire some again.  

But there can be no doubt that Trump escalated the situation, then "solved' it by giving up a lot and getting not much.

[Chad Fuck 18,156]

Please tell me this is not true. 

https://gizmodo.com/president-trump-made-a-fake-movie-trailer-for-kim-jong-1826755454

 

 

[hayden_horn 11,402]

 

it's real. holy shit.

[scottsins 2,047]

this is what i don't understand.  we just lost a shit ton of face on the asian continent, giving kim a ton of legitimacy for vague promises. traditionally, in negotiations in asia, vague promises are what we in america call "stringing you along."

Right. And in Asia, they call it “stringing you ARONG”.

[WhatTheBuck 28,931]

20 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Please tell me this is not true. 

https://gizmodo.com/president-trump-made-a-fake-movie-trailer-for-kim-jong-1826755454

 

 

I don't know why they call that a movie trailer. Movie trailers advertise movies. What's the name of the movie being advertised? It's just a piece of propaganda. And not exactly on par with Leni Riefenstahl.  

['stache 22,145]

That's creepy as fuck.  The random basketball dunker was kinda funny though.

[HenryJames 67,412]

21 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

it's real. holy shit.

Armond White liked it.

[WhatTheBuck 28,931]

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

That's creepy as fuck.  The random basketball dunker was kinda funny though.

Yeah, that was pretty funny. Obviously targeted at Un. 

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1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

"I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, 'Hey I was wrong,'" said Trump, before adding, "I don't know that I'll ever admit that, but I'll find some kind of an excuse."

This has to be the most honest thing that he has uttered in his life.

that right there is hallmark behavior of the ulster scot.  if you know someone who simply cannot be wrong, cannot be corrected, and cannot learn from mistakes, then you may well know a person of ulster scot heritage.

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[Chad Fuck 18,156]

19 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Word salad sandwich for lunch.

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5 hours ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

 

We're not your pal, buddy!