Donald Trump 2018

[kevwun 15774]

If you come at the king, you best not miss. Rosenstein confided in someone that he shouldn't have trusted.

Edited September 24, 2018 by kevwun

[Lurch 5930]

Maybe this has been asked, but why is it so horrible if Rosenstein did talk about wires and the 25th amendment in a non-joking manner?  Is it just because it pisses Trump off? There's nothing illegal with it is there? Isn't it the job of people in power in DC to bring up the topic if it might apply?

Certainly not illegal, but planning to undermine your boss generally doesn’t bode well for your future employment.

[sachick 1189]

1 minute ago, Lurch said:

 

Certainly not illegal, but planning to undermine your boss generally doesn’t bode well for your future employment.

Well is Trump really his boss? And is it really undermining if you're talking about it? If Trump was/is truly not fit, isn't it his responsibility to bring it up? Now if he was planting evidence or some shit like that to make the president look incapable, I get it.

[bad_teammate 13195]

28 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Yeah, the Times got used in this deal.  If the authors of that story weren't complicit in it, they are morons for not seeing the motivations for the leak.

It's the NYT, they were 100% complicit. They are an establishment paper. They are not rebels.

[David Dennison 18855]

1 minute ago, sachick said:

Well is Trump really his boss? And is it really undermining if you're talking about it? If Trump was/is truly not fit, isn't it his responsibility to bring it up? Now if he was planting evidence or some shit like that to make the president look incapable, I get it.

Yes, Trump is his boss.

[Party_Taco 3724]

Yeah, the Times got used in this deal.  If the authors of that story weren't complicit in it, they are morons for not seeing the motivations for the leak.

Absolutely - Their rush to print has greatly impacted their credibility... Haberman’s meltdown confirms that they know they done goofed.

Being so cavalier with a bombshell like this, and not clearly understanding the motivations behind it, truly make me question their capabilities for investigative journalism.

Way to play riggghhhhtttt into their hands, NYT!

[Lurch 5930]

Well is Trump really his boss? And is it really undermining if you're talking about it? If Trump was/is truly not fit, isn't it his responsibility to bring it up? Now if he was planting evidence or some shit like that to make the president look incapable, I get it.

I’m going to go with: yes, yes and yes.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, Lurch said:

 

Certainly not illegal, but planning to undermine your boss generally doesn’t bode well for your future employment.

 

But Rosenstein’s boss is the American People.

It’s the Jaime Lannister dilemma with the Mad King.  

“So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the King, obey the King, protect the innocent, defend the weak.

No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another.”

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Also, this Rosenstein event is just a media manipulation to take the heat off Kavanaugh.

There’s no real news to break yet but it’s sucking all the oxygen out of the national conversation surrounding Kavanaugh.

[Mack Tripper 696]

I wonder what the Space Force is up to today.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

But Rosenstein’s boss is the American People.

It’s the Jaime Lannister dilemma with the Mad King.  

“So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the King, obey the King, protect the innocent, defend the weak.

No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another.”

Well, no.  Your boss is the person (or persons) who can fire you.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

23 minutes ago, sachick said:

Well is Trump really his boss? And is it really undermining if you're talking about it? If Trump was/is truly not fit, isn't it his responsibility to bring it up? Now if he was planting evidence or some shit like that to make the president look incapable, I get it.

Rule of thumb. If somebody can fire you, they are your boss. 

[wildcat09 29350]

57 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And now it's too late.

This is going to have little to no effect on Robert Mueller.

It might if Trump installs a crony in Rosenstein's place. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Js1 85313]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

It might if Trump installs a crony in Rosenstein's place. 

This is where semantics come in -

The Federal Vacancies Act is interpreted differently for a firing or a resignation.  Resignation - Trump can fill it with any Senate-confirmed person.  Firing - much more difficult/vague.

Why do you think Sessions hasn't been fired yet? He's trying to get Sessions to resign so he can actually put someone Senate-confirmed there to do his bidding.

[David Dennison 18855]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

They are so fucked.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

I'd like to get more info on the limits imposed after firing an administration official.  So far I've found nothing.

[Js1 85313]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd like to get more info on the limits imposed after firing an administration official.  So far I've found nothing.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/federal-vacancies-reform-act-and-va-study-uncertainty-and-incompetence

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[jimmyjazz 45903]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/federal-vacancies-reform-act-and-va-study-uncertainty-and-incompetence

Thanks.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I'd like to get more info on the limits imposed after firing an administration official.  So far I've found nothing.

It's pretty amazing when you realize how much of this shit isn't explicitly stated, because we all just kind of assumed that the President would always be acting in the country's best interest.

[Js1 85313]

The TLDR version is that even the Trump WH is wary of their ability to just install someone into a vacancy created by firing. So they NEED it to be a resignation.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Boy, Rosenstein is going to have a hell of a time when he checks his cell phone after this meeting.

[David Dennison 18855]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Awesome.

Chief of Staff Kelly and Chief of Staff Hannity aren't on the same page.

Fuckin' micks.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Just now, Js1 said:

The TLDR version is that even the Trump WH is wary of their ability to just install someone into a vacancy created by firing. So they NEED it to be a resignation.

It's interesting that "Senate-confirmed" requirement in the event of a resignation merely reflects the (somewhat vague) requirement that a temporary replacement need only be a person already confirmed by the Senate for another role.  In other words (as I am guessing) they've passed the background sniff test.

[Mdhorn 5948]

7 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

It's pretty amazing when you realize how much of this shit isn't explicitly stated, because we all just kind of assumed that the President would always be acting in the country's best interest.

If Rosenstein gets fired and effectively puts the investigation in jeopardy, why doesn't Mueller respond in kind with anything since he's less likely to keep his case intact?  I'm pretty sure Congress would find a way to limbo whatever is brought forward with it being dependent on the review by the next Deputy AG which will be confirmed shortly. So much is being made up as we go.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Mdhorn

[DDD Dad 14335]

Absolutely - Their rush to print has greatly impacted their credibility... Haberman’s meltdown confirms that they know they done goofed.

Being so cavalier with a bombshell like this, and not clearly understanding the motivations behind it, truly make me question their capabilities for investigative journalism.

Way to play riggghhhhtttt into their hands, NYT!

When/where did Haberman have a meltdown? Haven’t seen it.

[Mack Tripper 696]

When/where did Haberman have a meltdown? Haven’t seen it.

I was wondering the same thing.

[Lurch 5930]

I’d guess he’s referring to her exchanges w David Simon, though they seem quite civil to me.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

On this day, the president created the appearance of obstruction of justice to distract from his Supreme Court nomination's allegations of perverted sex crimes.  

Edited September 24, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[David Dennison 18855]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

On this day, the president created the appearance of obstruction of justice to distract from his Supreme Court nomination's allegations of perverted sex crimes.  

Just wait til he's back in Washington and meets with Rosenstein on Thursday.

[DixonHur 11296]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just wait til he's back in Washington and meets with Rosenstein on Thursday.

Right, like Trump would ever confront someone face-to-face.

[Guest Lobo]

When this latest shitshow hit the fan, I told Trump, Live Every Week Like it’s Infrastructure Week...

[Party_Taco 3724]

I was wondering the same thing.

Twitter - Mere hours after they went to print. Several high profile peeps were attacking the paper for being so reckless and she jumped into the fray... it didn’t end well.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Maggie is forever melting down on Twitter because people know she's a WH stooge and point it out to her and her colleagues.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just wait til he's back in Washington and meets with Rosenstein on Thursday.

It's just so obvious they need the media talking about Rosenstein instead of Kavanaugh until Thursday. 

[hayden_horn 11362]

so RR resigned, expecting to be fired, but didn't actually resign or get fired? 

this seems about right.

[David Dennison 18855]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It's just so obvious they need the media talking about Rosenstein instead of Kavanaugh until Thursday. 

What's bizarre is that they think it will work.

[Party_Taco 3724]

Eh, looking back at the exchange now it doesn’t seem that bad, but I stand by the core of my statement. NYT should not have published and she was clearly on the defensive.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

Trump doesn't, but Kelly is his willing hatchet man. 

Looks like the cowards aren’t doing anything. Just as I expected. 

[TexArcher 37774]

33 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

so RR resigned, expecting to be fired, but didn't actually resign or get fired? 

this seems about right.

Look over here!

*jingle jangle*

So shiny!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[David Dennison 18855]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I'd say they can't be this stupid, but this is the Donald Trump White House.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

[retread 2951]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I'd say they can't be this stupid, but this is the Donald Trump White House.

Imagine this WH trying to address a major national emergency. Would not be pretty.

[Tuco 5076]

1 The NYT is neither a Democratic entity nor an independent agency to protect America. They are a newspaper, and a pretty solid one. Their charter is to report the news, not evaluate how it might affect politics. The day they prioritize the effects of the story over the validity of the story, is a really bad day for America.

2. People are giving the Trump way too much credit for manipulating the news. Sure, someone looking to attack RR probably leaked the story, but it’s silly to think Trump thought it would be better press that the deputy AG thinks he’s mentally ill to the point of incompetence. And while firing RR is made easier by the revelation, it’s still probably a really bad idea. And the idea that Trump would focus the negative attention to himself to take heat off of Kav is nuttier. Trump doesn’t care about the SC, not really.

[David Dennison 18855]

1 minute ago, Tuco said:

1 The NYT is neither a Democratic entity nor an independent agency to protect America. They are a newspaper, and a pretty solid one. Their charter is to report the news, not evaluate how it might affect politics. The day they prioritize the effects of the story over the validity of the story, is a really bad day for America.

2. People are giving the Trump way too much credit for manipulating the news. Sure, someone looking to attack RR probably leaked the story, but it’s silly to think Trump thought it would be better press that the deputy AG thinks he’s mentally ill to the point of incompetence. And while firing RR is made easier by the revelation, it’s still probably a really bad idea. And the idea that Trump would focus the negative attention to himself to take heat off of Kav is nuttier. Trump doesn’t care about the SC, not really.

See: The Iraq War

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

5 minutes ago, retread said:

Imagine this WH trying to address a major national emergency. Would not be pretty.

 I predict about 3000 people would die.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

16 minutes ago, Tuco said:

And the idea that Trump would focus the negative attention to himself to take heat off of Kav is nuttier. Trump doesn’t care about the SC, not really.

He cares about damaging press to him.  He cares about not losing. 

Kavanaugh getting hit with all kinds of salacious shit hurts Trump’s ability to control the media narrative, he hates that more than anything.

This is about power and control, not political strategy.

[atomheartbevo 89656]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

It might if Trump installs a crony in Rosenstein's place. 

They can’t stop the state investigations. You know, the ones Mueller has shared info with, and that Trump can’t influence through pardons.