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I honestly doubt Trump has put more thought into who Columbus is and what he destroyed than whatever tale he learned in grade school several decades ago. 

I'm all for changing the holiday to something else entirely such as an indigenous people day, but so long as Columbus Day is recognized nationally, I can't really bring myself to care about a tweet.

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1 hour ago, Tom said:

I honestly doubt Trump has put more thought into who Columbus is and what he destroyed than whatever tale he learned in grade school several decades ago. 

I'm all for changing the holiday to something else entirely such as an indigenous people day, but so long as Columbus Day is recognized nationally, I can't really bring myself to care about a tweet.

I'm sure Trump doesn't know anything about Christopher Columbus other than what he learned in grade school. I think that describes his entire understanding of world history. I don't know if he's read any books since he left school, but if has then I'm certain they had nothing to do with history. 

Btw, in case anyone didn't know, we didn't observe Columbus Day in Columbus, OH this year. I'm proud of that. 

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/10/8/17951258/columbus-day-ohio

 

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38 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

well, at least you jorts and jersey wearing, chili on spaghetti eating, couch burning,  low rent motherfuckers got something to be proud of. 

I'm also proud that Ohio State fans wouldn't ban you from a Buckeye board for saying that on a Longhorn board. 

Always been more of a cargo shorts and hoodie guy, myself. Those are much more functional articles of clothing. 

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15 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Is there any reason to think that that has any legs other than convincing the half of the country that thinks he’s a piece of shit that he’s definitely a piece of shit?

The Trump house of mirrors is going to get smashed from all sides.  Tax evasion, fraud, and self dealing among other criminality from Trump Foundation, god knows what all with Trump Organization, and potentially up to $400M worth of tax fraud and liability for all the cash Trump's dad, Fred, illegally funneled to his kids.

What ties all that together?  Allen Weisselberg, who was recently granted immunity by NY State prosecutors. (WaPo)

 

Weisselberg's loyal service spans three generations of Trumps:

"Weisselberg, now 70, got his start in the family business by working as an accountant for Trump’s father, real estate magnate Fred Trump, in the 1970s.

In 2000, he was named chief financial officer of the company. But his role is greater than that: Weisselberg has been at the center of a financial operation that covered all parts of Trump’s life, including his corporation’s finances, his personal accounts and his personal charity."

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"Over the decades, Weisselberg rose from serving as an accountant to the keeper of Trump’s personal books. After Trump’s election, he was appointed to help run the trust that controls the president’s assets, along with two of the president’s sons, Donald Trump Jr., a fellow trustee, and Eric Trump, chairman of the trust’s advisory board.

“He was really the guy in charge of the money, and that’s always a position of honor,” said one person close to the Trump Organization who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the company’s internal dynamics."

 

The article goes on to say that Weisselberg's immunity may only relate to questions around the Stormy payout, but he's handled the family money flow for decades dating back to Fred Trump fraudulently sifting many hundreds of millions from his empire down to his kids.

The NYT published a massively long article the other week detailing the complex family tax evasion schemes and reprinted it yesterday in the Sunday Times.  Again, there are multiple tunnels into the fort that lead to Donald and his sister (a federal judge), Don Jr, and Eric.  The Times article lays out the grounds for  the likelihood Weisselberg is going to get hotboxed around the Fred Trump <--> Donald $400M NY State liability.  Meanwhile, Micheal Cohen has pleaded guilty to committing a felony at Trump's order and may very well be SOL in getting any kind of favorable treatment moving forward.

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I make no prediction. I will observe that the number and weight damning stories would seem to be enough to clear out the fence-sitters. It's impossible for me to be optimistic about the core morons finally saying, "ya know, Mabel, maybe we should look for someone else who talks like us and for us. What do ya think?"

The wild card for the country would be if someone cunning enough can sweep in to take the Trumpite reins and keep the country's future in a tight downward spiral.

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7 hours ago, triplehorn said:

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I watched some of the Showtime piece about this.  The NYT staff was obsessed that this was some sort of earth shattering news that Trump cheated on his taxes.  

No one cares.  We all assumed he cheated on his taxes.  They should be focusing on how unbelievably shitty businessman he is.  His dad left him billions in todays dollars and twenty years later he was a pitch man for Godfather's Pizza.  He squandered it all.

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NYC and State are seeking to recoup that estimated $400M in tax liability that Trump fraudulently possesses.  Statute of limitations negates the criminal aspects dating back to the 70’s, but watching Trump part with his mint for tax evasion will be worth something.

And there’s no shortage of modern criminality that will follow the Trump syndicate.

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8 hours ago, Celery Man said:

Is there any reason to think that that has any legs other than convincing the half of the country that thinks he’s a piece of shit that he’s definitely a piece of shit?

The deplorables will certainly excuse it as "just being smart with his taxes".

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3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The wild card for the country would be if someone cunning enough can sweep in to take the Trumpite reins and keep the country's future in a tight downward spiral.

This has been my fear all along.  I mean, Trump is an absolute moron and he's got more than 1/3 of the populace.  Get someone in there with half a brain and it could get really, really bad.

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4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I wonder if Nikki's thinking about setting up a 2020 primary challenge.  She's managed to comport herself reasonably well at the UN, without getting too much of the Dotard's shit on herself.

 

No primary challenge to Donald will last more than a week.  He IS the Republican party.  And he's going to win in 2020 because everything is terrible.  Brisket out front should have told you.

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Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

No primary challenge to Donald will last more than a week.  He IS the Republican party.  And he's going to win in 2020 because everything is terrible.  Brisket out front should have told you.

I was just spitballing.  Seems an odd move for her right now.  

 

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Don't disagree.  But give it a couple of hours and I'm sure there will be think-pieces about how the Democrats caused her resignation and how Republican voters are even more enthused now because of it.

It's funny because the Kavanaugh thing has already died out of the news cycle.

The Republicans should have dragged it out for a few more weeks.

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2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Don't disagree.  But give it a couple of hours and I'm sure there will be think-pieces about how the Democrats caused her resignation and how Republican voters are even more enthused now because of it.

Or maybe he's found some bench to put her on to say, "See, we like women just fine!"

 

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5 minutes ago, M12BH said:

This has been my fear all along.  I mean, Trump is an absolute moron and he's got more than 1/3 of the populace.  Get someone in there with half a brain and it could get really, really bad.

No one with half a brain would act like him, and it's that act that endears him to that 1/3rd of the populace. Trump's political instincts are married to his complete lack of knowledge and shame.

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5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

No primary challenge to Donald will last more than a week.  He IS the Republican party.  And he's going to win in 2020 because everything is terrible.  Brisket out front should have told you.

A lot of Republicans keeping their powder dry for a 2020 Trump loss so they can run in 2024.

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11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

No primary challenge to Donald will last more than a week.  He IS the Republican party.  And he's going to win in 2020 because everything is terrible.  Brisket out front should have told you.

Yep.  Never before has the Republican party become so unified and singular in focus.  Loyalty to Trump, or death.  Seriously, it's almost medieval.  No dissent against Trump can survive for more than a millisecond in the GOP. It's like one of those fancy particles they create with the large hadron collider -- it exists for a billionth of a second, then is snuffed out by the overwhelming natural forces around it.  It is the party of Trump.  It will continue to be the party of Trump until he dies (note, I don't say "leaves office" -- he could live another 10 years).

1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

Why is she different than any of the other GOP grifters surrounding Trump?

She's not.  Well, there's one small difference -- she actually was a political critter with some credibility and future BEFORE she hitched her wagon to Trump.  But, drink from the poison well, you get poisoned.  I don't know why she resigned, though.  Nothing matters.  Her response should have been "so what?  You just hate me because I'm making America great again!" Being a Trumpkin means never having to apologize.

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http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/09/never-trumper-democrats-went-gonzo-kavanaugh-now-hand-red-hat/

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Is it too late to get one of those red hats?

I didn’t support Donald Trump during the 2016 election — not that it mattered. I wasn’t in a swing state and I wasn’t publicly opining about the general election. Had my vote mattered, I might have brought myself to vote for him, but it didn’t, so I didn’t. 

On election night, I had a few drinks and enjoyed Hillary Clinton losing. It was a spectacle at which, to borrow a line, it would have taken a heart of stone not to laugh. I did text a friend or two that I hoped I was wrong about Trump.

In some ways, I was. He has kept his promises on judges, for instance. In other ways I think my low opinion of him has been thoroughly vindicated. Thus, in writing for The Federalist, I have defended President Trump and criticized him, sometimes in the same column.

I have also criticized the die-hard Never-Trumpers who are willing to jettison conservatism to pursue their vendetta against Trump. Like many Trump-skeptical conservatives I tried to call things as I saw them. Sometimes I was pleased with Trump’s policy, and sometimes I was appalled by him. I do not disavow any of what I wrote. Nonetheless, I now support Trump’s reelection.

To use the word du jour: I have been radicalized. The enormity of the efforts by the Democrats and their media allies to destroy Brett Kavanaugh forced me to reconsider my views. The concerns I have about Trump’s character, temperament, and propensity to damage America’s cultural and political institutions are still there, but I am supporting him anyway.

It is not just that the Democrats have vitiated any claim to possess superior character or temperament (though they have), or that Trump’s policies have been better than I expected. I now support Trump because the Democratic Party and its media allies are controlled by people who view conservatives not as political opponents to be voted down, but as enemies to be personally destroyed.

Trump will say anything, but Democrats will do anything. They and their media allies smeared a universally respected judge with an impeccable record as a serial sexual predator on evidence that would not have justified an indictment. They repeatedly lied and hid evidence in order to create delay (e.g., Christine Blasey Ford’s supposed fear of flying).

In the end, the evidence against Kavanaugh consisted only of the dubious testimonyof a woman who could not recall basic details like a time or a place, whose story changed repeatedly, and whose witnesses remembered nothing of what she claimed. But Democrats did their best to forever brand him as a sexual predator anyway. They did not want a serious, confidential investigation; they wanted to publicly grind him into the dirt while the mob howled for his head.

They wanted the circus, the smears, the insane rumors and allegations from cranks. They wanted the tabloid journalism from formerly respectable outlets like The New Yorker. If Kavanaugh refused to withdraw, then they wanted Ford on national television. They even wanted the lunatic claims from a nutcase dredged up by a creepy porn lawyer, alleging that Kavanaugh ran a gang-rape ring as a teen. Even as the sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh collapsed, they switched to smears about his high school yearbook and college drinking.

With rare exceptions, the national media repeated every smear and Democratic talking point. They spent weeks trying to destroy Kavanaugh’s life and reputation with lies, then had the effrontery to sneer at his anger when he took umbrage at being labeled a gang-rape mastermind. Lushes from the soused D.C. media lectured Kavanaugh about his teenage drinking. They earned every bit of Trump’s “enemy of the people” and “fake news” epithets.

Kavanaugh was a normal establishment Republican pick. Destroying him had nothing to do with opposing Trump’s particular flaws. This was about annihilating anyone who gets in the Democrats’ way, especially anyone who threatens their illegitimate Supreme Court policy wins. It was a declaration of war on every conservative, no matter how respected, reasonable, and mainstream.

There is no refuge from this sort of totalizing, destructive politics. The Republican rejection of Merrick Garland was political hardball; the sliming of Kavanaugh was categorically different and much worse. The Democrats crossed the line from policy disagreement to personal destruction, and in doing so they nuked any middle ground between themselves and conservative Trump skeptics. And they put every conservative on notice: You could be next.

If the Democrats will do this to a man as respected and mainstream as Kavanaugh, they will do it to anyone who gets in their way. The left has embraced mob justice that disdains our culture of due process and the presumption of innocence, and merely disagreeing with the mob provokes its wrath. At Facebook, the mob is afteran executive who stood by his friend. At my alma mater, a dean was punished for tweeting skeptically about the woman accusing Kavanaugh of running a gang-rape ring in high school. Ordinary people are being targeted for having opinions the mob hates.

Capitulation to the outrage mob is contemptible, but it has become the norm, with lives ruined professionally and personally. The worst aspects of the online mob, the campus tribunal, and the gutter press have been embraced by the leaders of the Democratic Party, and they think any and everyone on the right is fair game. Those determined to believe the worst about the accused also believe the worst about those standing up for the rights of the accused, and want to destroy them as well. Dissent will not be tolerated—those who dare speak out against the witch-hunt will be burned as witches themselves.

I wish this was not so. I would rather be arguing about the Enlightenment than jumping on the Trump train. As a writer and scholar I want to persuade, not to destroy. I do not want American politics to be like this.

But as a voter who recognizes the unfortunate realities of our politics, I believe supporting Trump has become the responsible choice. Things may change, but right now Trump’s policies are better than I expected, he is not the authoritarian some feared, and he does not want to destroy me and mine. It isn’t much, but since Trump stands between me and those who would ruin me, he will have to do.

This is about self-defense. And that is why I’ve gone from “Meh” to “MAGA!”

 

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http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/09/never-trumper-democrats-went-gonzo-kavanaugh-now-hand-red-hat/

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Is it too late to get one of those red hats?

I didn’t support Donald Trump during the 2016 election — not that it mattered. I wasn’t in a swing state and I wasn’t publicly opining about the general election. Had my vote mattered, I might have brought myself to vote for him, but it didn’t, so I didn’t. 

On election night, I had a few drinks and enjoyed Hillary Clinton losing. It was a spectacle at which, to borrow a line, it would have taken a heart of stone not to laugh. I did text a friend or two that I hoped I was wrong about Trump.

In some ways, I was. He has kept his promises on judges, for instance. In other ways I think my low opinion of him has been thoroughly vindicated. Thus, in writing for The Federalist, I have defended President Trump and criticized him, sometimes in the same column.

I have also criticized the die-hard Never-Trumpers who are willing to jettison conservatism to pursue their vendetta against Trump. Like many Trump-skeptical conservatives I tried to call things as I saw them. Sometimes I was pleased with Trump’s policy, and sometimes I was appalled by him. I do not disavow any of what I wrote. Nonetheless, I now support Trump’s reelection.

To use the word du jour: I have been radicalized. The enormity of the efforts by the Democrats and their media allies to destroy Brett Kavanaugh forced me to reconsider my views. The concerns I have about Trump’s character, temperament, and propensity to damage America’s cultural and political institutions are still there, but I am supporting him anyway.

It is not just that the Democrats have vitiated any claim to possess superior character or temperament (though they have), or that Trump’s policies have been better than I expected. I now support Trump because the Democratic Party and its media allies are controlled by people who view conservatives not as political opponents to be voted down, but as enemies to be personally destroyed.

Trump will say anything, but Democrats will do anything. They and their media allies smeared a universally respected judge with an impeccable record as a serial sexual predator on evidence that would not have justified an indictment. They repeatedly lied and hid evidence in order to create delay (e.g., Christine Blasey Ford’s supposed fear of flying).

In the end, the evidence against Kavanaugh consisted only of the dubious testimonyof a woman who could not recall basic details like a time or a place, whose story changed repeatedly, and whose witnesses remembered nothing of what she claimed. But Democrats did their best to forever brand him as a sexual predator anyway. They did not want a serious, confidential investigation; they wanted to publicly grind him into the dirt while the mob howled for his head.

They wanted the circus, the smears, the insane rumors and allegations from cranks. They wanted the tabloid journalism from formerly respectable outlets like The New Yorker. If Kavanaugh refused to withdraw, then they wanted Ford on national television. They even wanted the lunatic claims from a nutcase dredged up by a creepy porn lawyer, alleging that Kavanaugh ran a gang-rape ring as a teen. Even as the sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh collapsed, they switched to smears about his high school yearbook and college drinking.

With rare exceptions, the national media repeated every smear and Democratic talking point. They spent weeks trying to destroy Kavanaugh’s life and reputation with lies, then had the effrontery to sneer at his anger when he took umbrage at being labeled a gang-rape mastermind. Lushes from the soused D.C. media lectured Kavanaugh about his teenage drinking. They earned every bit of Trump’s “enemy of the people” and “fake news” epithets.

Kavanaugh was a normal establishment Republican pick. Destroying him had nothing to do with opposing Trump’s particular flaws. This was about annihilating anyone who gets in the Democrats’ way, especially anyone who threatens their illegitimate Supreme Court policy wins. It was a declaration of war on every conservative, no matter how respected, reasonable, and mainstream.

There is no refuge from this sort of totalizing, destructive politics. The Republican rejection of Merrick Garland was political hardball; the sliming of Kavanaugh was categorically different and much worse. The Democrats crossed the line from policy disagreement to personal destruction, and in doing so they nuked any middle ground between themselves and conservative Trump skeptics. And they put every conservative on notice: You could be next.

If the Democrats will do this to a man as respected and mainstream as Kavanaugh, they will do it to anyone who gets in their way. The left has embraced mob justice that disdains our culture of due process and the presumption of innocence, and merely disagreeing with the mob provokes its wrath. At Facebook, the mob is afteran executive who stood by his friend. At my alma mater, a dean was punished for tweeting skeptically about the woman accusing Kavanaugh of running a gang-rape ring in high school. Ordinary people are being targeted for having opinions the mob hates.

Capitulation to the outrage mob is contemptible, but it has become the norm, with lives ruined professionally and personally. The worst aspects of the online mob, the campus tribunal, and the gutter press have been embraced by the leaders of the Democratic Party, and they think any and everyone on the right is fair game. Those determined to believe the worst about the accused also believe the worst about those standing up for the rights of the accused, and want to destroy them as well. Dissent will not be tolerated—those who dare speak out against the witch-hunt will be burned as witches themselves.

I wish this was not so. I would rather be arguing about the Enlightenment than jumping on the Trump train. As a writer and scholar I want to persuade, not to destroy. I do not want American politics to be like this.

But as a voter who recognizes the unfortunate realities of our politics, I believe supporting Trump has become the responsible choice. Things may change, but right now Trump’s policies are better than I expected, he is not the authoritarian some feared, and he does not want to destroy me and mine. It isn’t much, but since Trump stands between me and those who would ruin me, he will have to do.

This is about self-defense. And that is why I’ve gone from “Meh” to “MAGA!”

 

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