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Amazing how quickly this was resolved once Cohen went under the spotlight:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/us/politics/karen-mcdougal-american-media-settlement.html

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The tabloid news company American Media Inc. agreed to let a former Playboy model out of a contract that had kept her from talking freely about an alleged affair with Donald J. Trump.

The settlement agreement, reached on Wednesday, ends a lawsuit brought by the model, Karen McDougal, and protects the president from being drawn into a legal case involving efforts to buy the silence of women who had stories to tell about him during the 2016 campaign.

He still faces another lawsuit from Stephanie Clifford, the pornographic film actress known as Stormy Daniels. Ms. Clifford is suing to get out of a deal that Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, arranged in 2016 for her silence about an alleged affair. Mr. Trump’s representatives have denied both women’s stories.

In August 2016, A.M.I., which owns The National Enquirer, acquired the rights to Ms. McDougal’s story about Mr. Trump — which it never ran — in return for $150,000 and commitments to use its magazines to promote her current career as a fitness specialist.

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A.M.I. indicated earlier this month that it would fight Ms. McDougal, asking the Los Angeles Superior Court to dismiss her lawsuit.

But that was roughly a week before federal investigators obtained email communications, audio recordings and other documentation from Mr. Cohen during their raid of his office, home and hotel room. Those materials included information about A.M.I. and the McDougal suit, people involved in the case said.

The suit also claimed that Mr. Cohen had been secretly involved in the talks between A.M.I. and Ms. McDougal’s lawyer at the time, Keith M. Davidson — who emailed Mr. Cohen at the end of the negotiations. A spokesman for Mr. Davidson has said the lawyer “fulfilled his obligations and zealously advocated for Ms. McDougal.”

 

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https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2018/04/18/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-hearing-536925

 

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A federal judge in Los Angeles has set a hearing for Friday on a bid by President Donald Trump and his embattled personal attorney Michael Cohen to delay a lawsuit filed by porn star Stormy Daniels, who claims to have had a sexual encounter with Trump about a decade ago.

U.S. District Court Judge S. James Otero scheduled the hearing after attorneys for Trump and Cohen said the suit should be put on hold for 90 days because of the criminal investigation federal prosecutors in New York are pursuing into Cohen's involvement in various matters, including a $130,000 pre-election payment to Daniels.

Otero did not explain in detail why he is convening the first hearing in the case, filed by Daniels last month in an attempt to have the alleged 'hush money' deal declared invalid. Daniels' attorney Michael Avenatti has argued that the agreement was never consummated, in large part because Trump never signed it.

In a brief order Wednesday, Otero — an appointee of President George W. Bush — said simply that a hearing on the stay request "is warranted."

 

 

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13 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He came to the same conclusion I’ve had all along, that the Trump presidency will be cathartic in the long run but in the short term it’s going to be real ugly/painful.

But most importantly, more people need to speak out.

The part where his reasoning is flawed is that it assumes the presidency is the only source of this forest fire when in fact the president is merely a symptom of the stupidity of the American people. 

The real problem is congress being 1) completely tethered to corporate interests and lining their own pockets in the process and 2) being so consumed with re-election they refuse to perform their duties as a check on executive power and corruption. 

The president with leave soon but the corruption of congress will not and will be the driving force, along with the stupidity and ignorance of the American people, that slowly continues this countries' decline into financial and social ruin. 

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14 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It was fairly easy for the average left-leaning voter to pick Hillary.  She's not stupid, she has experience, and the alternative was worse than usual.  (I remember how awful I thought Mitt Romney was.  Oh, how times change.)

But y'all are spot on when you point out that her message was empty.  She simply had nothing to bring other than "well, I'm not Trump".  And frankly, that should have been enough.  It's a good lesson on the dangers of voter apathy.

agree with this.  Grabbing em by the pussy should have been pretty easy call to make but Comey certainly didn't help:

 

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1 hour ago, In10se said:

The part where his reasoning is flawed is that it assumes the presidency is the only source of this forest fire when in fact the president is merely a symptom of the stupidity of the American people. 

The real problem is congress being 1) completely tethered to corporate interests and lining their own pockets in the process and 2) being so consumed with re-election they refuse to perform their duties as a check on executive power and corruption. 

The president with leave soon but the corruption of congress will not and will be the driving force, along with the stupidity and ignorance of the American people, that slowly continues this countries' decline into financial and social ruin. 

Good post.  There is a fix for Trump, there is no fix for stupid.  And our country has a real bad case of the stupid. 

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2 hours ago, In10se said:

The part where his reasoning is flawed is that it assumes the presidency is the only source of this forest fire when in fact the president is merely a symptom of the stupidity of the American people. 

The real problem is congress being 1) completely tethered to corporate interests and lining their own pockets in the process and 2) being so consumed with re-election they refuse to perform their duties as a check on executive power and corruption. 

The president with leave soon but the corruption of congress will not and will be the driving force, along with the stupidity and ignorance of the American people, that slowly continues this countries' decline into financial and social ruin. 

I'm not sure you read the same thing I did.  He clearly blames all of us for the bad choices America was faced with in the 2016 election.  

He sees Trump as a galvanizing force to get more active participation in government by people with values, that's the only way Congress gets fixed.

Better candidates that are in it for the right reasons.  That wouldn't happen without a Trump coming along. 

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On 4/18/2018 at 10:26 AM, David Dennison said:

I feel bad for Babs. She has to spend eternity in College Station. 

Seriously? If true that’s horrible. Babs and a bunch of dead dogs watching aggy “run out of time” makes me think hell just might exist after all. 

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3 hours ago, In10se said:

The part where his reasoning is flawed is that it assumes the presidency is the only source of this forest fire when in fact the president is merely a symptom of the stupidity of the American people. 

The real problem is congress being 1) completely tethered to corporate interests and lining their own pockets in the process and 2) being so consumed with re-election they refuse to perform their duties as a check on executive power and corruption. 

The president with leave soon but the corruption of congress will not and will be the driving force, along with the stupidity and ignorance of the American people, that slowly continues this countries' decline into financial and social ruin. 

Trump is similar to Jimmy Carter, if you think about it.  In the 10 years preceding Carter, a lot of things went wrong in America.  We had riots, mass protests, wars, assassinations, and governmental corruption and no one was really held accountable.  (Sound familiar?)  Carter was a one term governor of a small state and ran as a protest candidate of sorts.  He wasn't angry like they usually are but he represented a return to ethics and decency.  He was also the last line of the old, dying Democratic coalition.  They were fractured and tethered together only through transactional bartering.  (Sound familiar?)  He had everything going for him and still barely beat Ford and then got trounced in '80, ushering in a brand new GOP coalition.  Even as president, he wasn't terribly effective and even his own staff didn't trust his judgement.  (Sound familiar?)

Trump is Jimmy Carter.  He didn't happen in a vacuum.  No one was ever held accountable for the 2000's and people were angry and, like the late 70's/early 80's, we're going through a period of political realignment where one party is desperately trying to hold on to a fractured and distancing coalition.  

The next two elections will cement the new Democratic coalition and dominance much like 1980 did for the GOP.  (It's basically the Obama coalition all grown up.)    

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22 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Seriously? If true that’s horrible. Babs and a bunch of dead dogs watching aggy “run out of time” makes me think hell just might exist after all. 

In all fairness she is being buried next to her daughter who passed away at age 3. 


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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Trump is similar to Jimmy Carter, if you think about it.  In the 10 years preceding Carter, a lot of things went wrong in America.  We had riots, mass protests, wars, assassinations, and governmental corruption and no one was really held accountable.  (Sound familiar?)  Carter was a one term governor of a small state and ran as a protest candidate of sorts.  He wasn't angry like they usually are but he represented a return to ethics and decency.  He was also the last line of the old, dying Democratic coalition.  They were fractured and tethered together only through transactional bartering.  (Sound familiar?)  He had everything going for him and still barely beat Ford and then got trounced in '80, ushering in a brand new GOP coalition.  Even as president, he wasn't terribly effective and even his own staff didn't trust his judgement.  (Sound familiar?)

Trump is Jimmy Carter.  He didn't happen in a vacuum.  No one was ever held accountable for the 2000's and people were angry and, like the late 70's/early 80's, we're going through a period of political realignment where one party is desperately trying to hold on to a fractured and distancing coalition.  

The next two elections will cement the new Democratic coalition and dominance much like 1980 did for the GOP.  (It's basically the Obama coalition all grown up.)    

Trump subverted a Republican Party that was waiting to be subverted. 

I wasn’t around for Carter but I don’t think there was a Carterism movement that overwhelmed the Democratic Party.

However, from a purely party realignment parallel, I see your point.

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"... speaking of Rising Sun, fantastic movie. You know Wesley Snipes is a yuge fan of mine, and smart like me too, but not as smart because he got caught for not paying his taxes. Also Sean Connery is in that, he's Scottish. You know I have a golf course there. Beautiful course, Trump International, most fabulous course in the world, except for Trump National in Doral and the very beautiful Mar a Lago, which means Mary's Legs, speaking of which look at those things don't you just want to move on her like a bitch and grab her by the pussy? Go ahead Shinzo, you're not famous like me but it will probably work for you too."

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28 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Trump is similar to Jimmy Carter, if you think about it.  In the 10 years preceding Carter, a lot of things went wrong in America.  We had riots, mass protests, wars, assassinations, and governmental corruption and no one was really held accountable.  (Sound familiar?)  Carter was a one term governor of a small state and ran as a protest candidate of sorts.  He wasn't angry like they usually are but he represented a return to ethics and decency.  He was also the last line of the old, dying Democratic coalition.  They were fractured and tethered together only through transactional bartering.  (Sound familiar?)  He had everything going for him and still barely beat Ford and then got trounced in '80, ushering in a brand new GOP coalition.  Even as president, he wasn't terribly effective and even his own staff didn't trust his judgement.  (Sound familiar?)

Trump is Jimmy Carter.  He didn't happen in a vacuum.  No one was ever held accountable for the 2000's and people were angry and, like the late 70's/early 80's, we're going through a period of political realignment where one party is desperately trying to hold on to a fractured and distancing coalition.  

The next two elections will cement the new Democratic coalition and dominance much like 1980 did for the GOP.  (It's basically the Obama coalition all grown up.)    

So who's Reagan in this scenario?  He was already lined up in 1978.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I'm not sure you read the same thing I did.  He clearly blames all of us for the bad choices America was faced with in the 2016 election.  

He sees Trump as a galvanizing force to get more active participation in government by people with values, that's the only way Congress gets fixed.

Better candidates that are in it for the right reasons.  That wouldn't happen without a Trump coming along. 

Congress will not get fixed just by voting in new people. This is because of the "my party over everything" nature of Americans in politics and that isn't going away. A few new congressmen will come on but they will quickly be indoctrinated into the self serving corrupt ways of 21st century congress. You really think the billionaires will just let their policy puppets go? Hell no, the only way to correct the problem would be to limit congressional terms to 2, ban lobbying and corporate campaign contributions, and impose (and actually prosecute) stiff penalties for breaking that law on both the billionaires and the politicians. They start looking at serious prison time and that activity will all but stop. 

Of course none of that will ever happen because the people who are charged with creating the laws are the ones who would get punished and lose tons of bribe money under those laws. 

That is why just voting in new people won't work to fix the problem when the entire system is a self propagating loop of corruption. 

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50 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Trump is similar to Jimmy Carter, if you think about it.  In the 10 years preceding Carter, a lot of things went wrong in America.  We had riots, mass protests, wars, assassinations, and governmental corruption and no one was really held accountable.  (Sound familiar?)  Carter was a one term governor of a small state and ran as a protest candidate of sorts.  He wasn't angry like they usually are but he represented a return to ethics and decency.  He was also the last line of the old, dying Democratic coalition.  They were fractured and tethered together only through transactional bartering.  (Sound familiar?)  He had everything going for him and still barely beat Ford and then got trounced in '80, ushering in a brand new GOP coalition.  Even as president, he wasn't terribly effective and even his own staff didn't trust his judgement.  (Sound familiar?)

Trump is Jimmy Carter.  He didn't happen in a vacuum.  No one was ever held accountable for the 2000's and people were angry and, like the late 70's/early 80's, we're going through a period of political realignment where one party is desperately trying to hold on to a fractured and distancing coalition.  

The next two elections will cement the new Democratic coalition and dominance much like 1980 did for the GOP.  (It's basically the Obama coalition all grown up.)    

I see your point there but the main difference is today's political parties are far more led by extremism than anything that was happening 40+ years ago. Carter was an outside candidate and took on his own democratic congress on issues which neutered him as a president, but he was still a morally respectable man with a desire to uphold American democracy. 

That and his own parties' majority in congress being willing to challenge him over issues are the two main differences you overlook. That was an example of congressional checks and balances working where as today we have a completely openly corrupt and immoral reality tv show con man president who his parties' majority held congress are refusing to hold accountable for their own selfish reasons. That's the big difference and that is where our country will eventually completely break down unless a miracle uprising causes that to change.  I just don't see that happening. 

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38 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 Are we going to do that inane  thing again where everyone tries some hyper technical parsing of these words to hold out hope? 

Only if you want to bother with accuracy. The words mean very specific things. It's not hyper technical parsing to define what words mean. It's the basic tenet of rational communication. 

Subject means he is being investigated. Target means he is about to be charged. Trump is a subject, he is being investigated. This has been confirmed multiple times and Rosenstein didn't say anything to change that. 

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Rudy is a witness in multiple areas. This is a blatant attempt to shield him with attorney-client privilege, which the Trump camp has shown full well they misunderstand. 

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I would pay money to sit in on a conversation about the Mueller probe between Trump and Giuliani, especially if it takes place after 6 PM. Just those two addled old fucks sundowning in real time as Trump spouts off about how he fucked Cheryl Tiegs in 1984 and Rudy just repeating 9/11 over and over. 

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I would pay money to sit in on a conversation about the Mueller probe between Trump and Giuliani, especially if it takes place after 6 PM. Just those two addled old fucks sundowning in real time as Trump spouts off about how he fucked Cheryl Tiegs in 1984 and Rudy just repeating 9/11 over and over. 


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