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Their argument would be that without the tax cuts they would have eliminated 280K jobs.   Which is impossible to disprove. 

The future is fewer Americans not working not more.  There are too many highly paid people working to improve productivity by replacing people with automation.   

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Open Season Enrollment; insurance for the entire family went down. Tell me more why I should be in favor of paying higher taxes for worse, "free" healthcare and why Andrew Jackson was awesome.

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

There are too many highly paid people working to improve productivity by replacing people with automation.   

The only people who can be replaced with automation right now are high headcount/low skill (read: manual, no-thinking, repetitive) roles.

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

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Last April, lunching amid construction debris at his new hotel five blocks from the White House, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told the Washington Post he would get rid of the national debt “over a period of eight years.” 

Remember, the Trumpkins in the Senate say that Trump needs to campaign on "PROMISES KEPT!"

Sure, why not.  I mean, up is down, lies are truths, etc.  Sure, why the fuck not.

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The only people who can be replaced with automation right now are high headcount/low skill (read: manual, no-thinking, repetitive) roles.

I don't agree.  I've worked in healthcare the past few years and have seen a major effort to allow more and more patients to self-schedule their appointments.  It's not fully automated and will most likely never be 100% automated but it requires fewer trained people to manage.  The employees only have to review the self-scheduling and jump in when issues occur.    

Now maybe your argument is that someone that manages a doctor's schedule is low skill but if that is the bar, then a large percentage of Americans have low skills.

This is only one small example of automation.   Automation doesn't always mean 0 employees required.   

 

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26 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

The only people who can be replaced with automation right now are high headcount/low skill (read: manual, no-thinking, repetitive) roles.

This is not true. AI is a growing threat to professional jobs, including doctors and lawyers.

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I'm almost positive they're using an old pic and it definitely could be a rumor.....

 

Had Obama been at Arlington National this weekend paying respects while Trump pouted at home, the media would have had a collective orgasm. 

Come on, we all gotta be better about spotting and ignoring fake news. 

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Had Obama been at Arlington National this weekend paying respects while Trump pouted at home, the media would have had a collective orgasm. 

Come on, we all gotta be better about spotting and ignoring fake news. 

Next you're gonna tell me that not all of those celebrity nudes are real.

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This is a real problem that isn’t being addressed.

 

Well, being that we seem to be deadset on one of two choices: 1) utterly ignoring it and plodding forward as if nothing was changing, or 2) actively going backwards, and insisting that things like coal mining jobs are the future, then....yeah....it isn't being addressed.  At all.

There is zero legitimate policy planning or action for the coming changing economy.  All of which will make the ultimate day of reckoning that much more brutal.  La de da, and so it goes.

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Well, being that we seem to be deadset on one of two choices: 1) utterly ignoring it and plodding forward as if nothing was changing, or 2) actively going backwards, and insisting that things like coal mining jobs are the future, then....yeah....it isn't being addressed.  At all.
There is zero legitimate policy planning or action for the coming changing economy.  All of which will make the ultimate day of reckoning that much more brutal.  La de da, and so it goes.


At least we can all become coal miners thanks to Trump.
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The only people who can be replaced with automation right now are high headcount/low skill (read: manual, no-thinking, repetitive) roles.

This isn't accurate. Lexical analysis and machine learning are already making massive strides in accelerating legal research work, eliminating the need for an army of (paid or unpaid) interns and paralegals who would typically separate the wheat from the chaff. Many legal cases boil down to a well-defined set of rules and logical conditions that if you're able to spot and highlight, crack the case wide open. Here's a story.

Traffic analysis and optimization, a domain typically covered by civil and traffic engineers, is another excellent candidate for machine learning in that it can iterate though infinitely more models orders of magnitude more quickly and more accurately. Here's an academic study.

Medical diagnosis? You fuckin betcha.

Many, many accounting jobs are going to be lost to automation. Accounting jobs aren't high headcount/low skill. Finance is gonna get wrecked too.

Automation is coming for jobs, and we won't be able to do a fucking thing about it as a society other than continue to shovel cash into massive corporations who through the GOP are able to set the rules to the economy. Good thing we sent all those troops to the border to protect us from those brown people who are going to take all the jobs we don't want to do as a society.

You always mention how you aren't as well educated in certain topics. Maybe you should really keep that in your mind as you go through life rather than relying on your biases and what authoritarian figures tell you.

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At least we can all become coal miners thanks to Trump.

 

Yes.  When Trump was elected, there were about 50K employed coal miners.  Now there are 52-53K.  Let's give Trump 53K.    Give Trump another 25 years and the current unemployed coal miners may get up to 100% employment.  

The tax payers and work force will have to deal with the growing under and unemployable people in the near future.   It's easy to say screw-em for being under-skilled but saying that doesn't improve the situation.  And there is one important element the unemployed people will have:  the ability to vote.  It's inevitable that some type of universal income and healthcare will be provided to the ever increasing poor segment of the country.     The wealthier half of the country should find less painful way to address the problem before the solution is forced on them.   My guess is that they won't do anything until it's too late.

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all great examples above listing how automation and AI are replacing people.  And from my experience the technology is actually much further along than we see in the workplace.  The slowdown is the adoption and acceptance.   

Ultimately I don't think there is a way to stop this movement.  Sure the govt can protect some jobs but that is only an ineffective stop gap.   

The actual low-skill, manual labor jobs are the ones that may never get replaced by AI or automation.  There are few economical reasons to replace the landscaper or waitress. 

And don't forget about off-shoring. It's been around for a while, and has done nothing but finally get better and better.   I know of several Fortune 100 firms that sending American white-collar jobs to Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia and South America as fast as they can.   

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wait, what? has this already been posted?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6386081/Melania-urges-President-Trump-FIRE-deputy-national-security-advisor.html

so this lady was NOT fired?

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The East and West Wings of the White House went to war on Tuesday over an aide to the president that the first lady's office wants to oust.

Melania Trump took the extraordinary step of making a public call for the president to fire Deputy National Security Advisor Mira Ricardel - one of the highest-ranking women in the White House - after clashes over seating assignments on the first lady's plane ride to Africa and requests for assistance from the National Security Council.

Mrs Trump felt 'short-changed' by Ricardel over government resources allocated to the trip including airplane seat, and was angered when Ricardel disparaged two of her aides, it is claimed.

Melania was then further infuriated after she suspected that Ricardel was leaking stories to the press misrepresenting the spat, USA Today reported.  

 

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Ricardel was reportedly on her way out over the dust-up until the West Wing intervened, defending her to DailyMail.com and pushing back on a false claim that she had been escorted off the premises.

'This did not happen. She is still here at the WH,' a senior official said in an afternoon email.

A second high-ranking source claimed as the battle continued, 'She is not a leaker.'

That official also claimed that Melania has never even met Ricardel, insinuating that the dispute is being driven entirely by White House staff.

The Wall Street Journal first reported that the first lady's office was out for blood in the melee.

It incorrectly reported that she had been escorted out of the building later on Tuesday.

But a senior White House official told DailyMail.com the claim was inaccurate, and the outlet had to back track, with the author of the report explaining in a tweet that Ricardel is expected to be fired but was still at her desk.

Melania's office declined to go into detail on the record but bluntly told ABC News that it wanted Ricardel gone.

so, what the actual fuck? melania wants her gone, trump is refusing that wish? this is bizarre AF

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wait, what? has this already been posted?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6386081/Melania-urges-President-Trump-FIRE-deputy-national-security-advisor.html

so this lady was NOT fired?

so, what the actual fuck? melania wants her gone, trump is refusing that wish? this is bizarre AF

Well, when you surround yourself with only the best people, there are bound to be a few, shall we say, personality conflicts.

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59 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is not true. AI is a growing threat to professional jobs, including doctors and lawyers.

This is a laughable claim.  IBM Watson is trying to mimic the mind of a doctor and they are many, many, many, many years away.

Most automation is done at the most basic, rules based level. For lawyers that means getting rid of the mundane things so they can bill more for the subjective/knowledge worker part of the gig.

Now maybe your argument is that someone that manages a doctor's schedule is low skill but if that is the bar, then a large percentage of Americans have low skills.

This is only one small example of automation.   Automation doesn't always mean 0 employees required.   

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It's not *not* low-skill though. And sure, automation doesn't mean completely unattended scripting, and you see the impact in lower skill/high labor areas like call centers where you still have people in the mix, you just don't need as many.

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

You motherfucker. I just gave you several pieces of evidence across multiple professional fields, and you continue to keep your eyes closed. Fuck you.

I haven't seen your post yet. Someone should automate me as a messageboard poster because I can't seem to figure out the quote function and I haven't read your post yet.

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13 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

wait, what? has this already been posted?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6386081/Melania-urges-President-Trump-FIRE-deputy-national-security-advisor.html

so this lady was NOT fired?

so, what the actual fuck? melania wants her gone, trump is refusing that wish? this is bizarre AF

I'm pleased to find out the security of my nation depends on one lady getting mad about the other lady getting the window seat.

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23 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And don't forget about off-shoring. It's been around for a while, and has done nothing but finally get better and better.   I know of several Fortune 100 firms that sending American white-collar jobs to Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia and South America as fast as they can.   

The argument for automation is actually in response to off-shoring slow downs. The idea being BPO has been exhausted and the global 2000 has cut to the bone via offshoring as much as they can with things like shared services that now automation is the next frontier to realize ROI/gains that the Big 4 and BPO's and SI's all got fat on and need more of the fix.

You sound like you know what you are talking about so surely you aren't a big 4 guy 😛

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