Donald Trump 2018

[Longhorn_Fan68 33824]

Married with 3 kids 4 and under. Yeah my bar is lower than it used to be.

I bet your bells are too

[ChiTownDoc 21091]

 

4 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

This is right.  For years, the GOP Establishment was an early-stage addict.  Sure, they were dabbling in populism and nationalism, but they had the demons under control.  The Establishment was in charge.  They were just using extremists to gain an edge and it was working for them.   

Then a new batch of primo populist shit hit the streets in 2016 and everything spiraled.  Shit got out of hand and it happened fast. Suddenly the GOP Establishment is nothing but a pathetic, hopeless junkie.  It no longer controls its demons - it is completely controlled by them.  The GOP doesn’t just casually use populism to feel powerful anymore; now it has no choice. It has to mainline that shit straight into its veins.  

The Establishment might want to kick its angry nationalist voter habit.  Truly truly want to.  But it can’t.  After so many years of using the rabble to get ahead, GOP political life is now entirely dependent on that rabble.  Abandon the demons, and your career dies.

 

4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If only there was a way to influence the rabble through some sort of media and have them snap out of it.

LOL, this is like telling a junkie, he'll be fine because of ....Rehab! 

 

Yeah right, that guy using his dick veins to shoot up is pretty much dead.  Sorry, next. 

Edited November 21, 2018 by ChiTownDoc
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[ChiTownDoc 21091]

When I posted that, I had no idea we had actually been graced by a "dick vein" in this very thread.  

[Chooky 13292]

Please keep an open heart for why Trump has a warm embrace for a Saudi Prince whose top aides committed premeditated murder by his order and be more understanding about his administration trying to make his base shit their pants over migrant workers who mostly just want to cut meat and blow leaves into small piles and then blow the small piles into a big pile.

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10 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

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6 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 This is amazing. I go back-and-forth wondering whether Trump really believes the stuff that he says. He hast to know that throwing your political opponents in jail is crazy Soviet dictator sort of stuff. So I didn’t know if he was getting people to chant lock her up just because he knew they were stupid enough to not realize you can’t do that, or if he actually believed it himself. It turns out it’s the latter. Amazing. 

Trump spent the first 50 years of his adult life being able to cause problems for his "enemies" with little to no repercussions.  

This is not surprising at all.

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4 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

And if what has happened to date doesn’t get them to that point, nothing will.  In other words, I’m afraid you’re wrong on this point.  If he’s still alive, Trump will be in office well past 2020.  

He can't win in 2020 with WI/PA/MI.  He personally held rallies for some of those Republicans, and they still lost.

And he couldn't even get a decorated USAF fighter pilot in Arizona to beat out a bisexual atheist liberal.  And Arizona is full of USAF personnel and good ol' Sheriff Joe.

A whole lot of areas that he won in 2016 rejected him in 2018.

And that's before we feel the full brunt of his trade war and the Mueller investigation.

[Brisketexan 104462]

Y’all think those are real?

The one on the left looks real but the one on the right however.....

I know I’m female but I don’t have a whole lot of boob viewing experience. Other than my own. And I’ve had them for years so I don’t really stare at them.

Wait...her left, or the viewer’s left? Clarify, this is important.

Also, if I had boobs, I’d stare at em all the time. But hey, to each his/her own.

 

The fact that someone hasn’t shopped that with one of the Coop statues gives me a disappoint.

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On 11/19/2018 at 9:48 AM, DigglerontheHoof said:

70% of combat troops are white?  That's surprising to me. 

What’s surprising to me is that it’s not higher.  

I was in during the early 90s (field artillery but attached to infantry), and while we had a decent share of minorities in artillery, I would not be surprised if infantry was easily 80-85% white back then.  

Of course, head to the motor pool and that number was reversed.  

Friend (black) said a lot of minorities join the military either for college money or to learn a trade, and I think there was probably some truth to that, based on what I saw. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

The GOP attacked a bonafide American hero (Navy Seal for 37 years, took out Bin Laden etc...) who is now suffering from leukemia to support a draft-dodging liar.  Today's GOP. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

The GOP attacked a bonafide American hero (Navy Seal for 37 years, took out Bin Laden etc...) who is now suffering from leukemia to support a draft-dodging liar.  Today's GOP. 

 

And said draft-dodger mocked a Vietnam POW for being shot down. 

[Celery Man 20873]

and said draft dodging Vietnam POW mocker has now sided against US Intelligence and with murderous despots twice publicly

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24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

What’s surprising to me is that it’s not higher.  

I was in during the early 90s (field artillery but attached to infantry), and while we had a decent share of minorities in artillery, I would not be surprised if infantry was easily 80-85% white back then.  

Of course, head to the motor pool and that number was reversed.  

Friend (black) said a lot of minorities join the military either for college money or to learn a trade, and I think there was probably some truth to that, based on what I saw. 

My kid's Army infantry.  I've got a photo of the platoon he now leads.  1 black guy, 2 or 3 brownish guys, and everybody else is a honky.   I've got a photo from  his most recent deployment.  About 25 soldiers in a casual setting.  3 black guys.  4 or 5 brownish guys.   

I live near Pendleton.  There's not a large black population here in general, but most of the younger black me that I see are obviously Marines. 

Why the fuck are we having this discussion?

Edited November 21, 2018 by Gil Bang

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

He can't win in 2020 with WI/PA/MI.  He personally held rallies for some of those Republicans, and they still lost.

And he couldn't even get a decorated USAF fighter pilot in Arizona to beat out a bisexual atheist liberal.  And Arizona is full of USAF personnel and good ol' Sheriff Joe.

A whole lot of areas that he won in 2016 rejected him in 2018.

And that's before we feel the full brunt of his trade war and the Mueller investigation.

Sure, he may lose the 2020 election. That doesn't mean he'll leave the office.

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1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

My kid's Army infantry.  I've got a photo of the platoon he now leads.  1 black guy, 2 or 3 brownish guys, and everybody else is a honky.   I've got a photo from  his most recent deployment.  About 25 soldiers in a casual setting.  3 black guys.  4 or 5 brownish guys.   

I live near Pendleton.  There's not a large black population here in general, but most of the younger black me that I see are obviously Marines. 

Why the fuck are we having this discussion?

Turns out there’s some truth to what my friend claimed about minorities seeking skills (and combat units were around 80% white in the 90s)

http://ashbrook.org/publications/oped-owens-02-combat/

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The fact is that blacks disproportionately serve in Army combat-service support units, not combat units. When Ricks wrote his piece, such units had become "majority minority," with more black soldiers than white. By contrast, he observed, the infantry, which generally suffers the most casualties in wartime, had become "whiter than America." African Americans constituted nine percent of the infantry, compared to 11.8 percent of the age eligible civilian population. In 1995, 79 percent of the new troopers were white, compared with 74.3 percent of civilians. There is little evidence to suggest that these figures have changed much over the last five years.

Why is this the case? Ricks pointed out that the new demographics of the Army have to do with the dynamics of an all-volunteer force—Blacks and whites join the military for different reasons. On the one hand, white youths are frequently looking for adventure while they try to raise money for college. As a result, they tend to flock to the combat arms, especially elite units like the Rangers and airborne. On the other, young black males, "are generally seeking skills, and so gravitate toward administrative and technical jobs. Because they often find the Army a fairer and better place to live than civilian society, blacks tend to stay enlisted longer: Though only 22% of today’s recruits are black, the Army itself is 30% black."

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

 

lol This motherfucker here.

I kind of hope the WHC are pulling a big con.

“Nah, no more comedians! You’re safe to come now Mr. President!”

Trump shows up and BAM! Out saunters Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert and John Oliver, with a cameo by Alec Baldwin.

He’d have a roast rage induced stroke.

“It is what it is.”

[NBMisha 224]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

He can't win in 2020 with WI/PA/MI.  He personally held rallies for some of those Republicans, and they still lost.

And he couldn't even get a decorated USAF fighter pilot in Arizona to beat out a bisexual atheist liberal.  And Arizona is full of USAF personnel and good ol' Sheriff Joe.

A whole lot of areas that he won in 2016 rejected him in 2018.

And that's before we feel the full brunt of his trade war and the Mueller investigation.

You had me with bisexual atheist liberal

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5 hours ago, shnsajax said:

90% of men who claim they don’t like fake boobs are lying.

They're fine to look at, but in my experience they fail the feel test. 

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6 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

He is scared of being roasted. 

Comedy needs to do a Donald roast without him there, would trigger him pretty good 

[HenryJames 65868]

6 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Michelle Wolf just assassinated the President.

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21 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Michelle Wolf just assassinated the President.

So other than the comedian, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

[DigglerontheHoof 21022]

43 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

He is scared of being roasted. 

Comedy needs to do a Donald roast without him there, would trigger him pretty good 

Have one w/ Baldwin standing in....would be glorious. 

[HenryJames 65868]

7 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Y’all think those are real?

The one on the left looks real but the one on the right however.....

I know I’m female but I don’t have a whole lot of boob viewing experience. Other than my own. And I’ve had them for years so I don’t really stare at them.

Shouldn’t you be off somewhere telling kids there is no Santa Claus?

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19 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Have one w/ Baldwin standing in....would be glorious. 

Great idea.

SNL should definitely do this and just be merciless and brutal. Invite some real comedians who are known for their roasting skills. Baldwin could certainly pull off the act of a sulking orange titty baby.

Hell. Start at the cold open and keep going for the full hour and a half.

[DDD Dad 14167]

Y’all think those are real?

The one on the left looks real but the one on the right however.....

I know I’m female but I don’t have a whole lot of boob viewing experience. Other than my own. And I’ve had them for years so I don’t really stare at them.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Also, the idiotic tariffs are going to begin squeezing the shit out of consumers in a month.

[NBMisha 224]

Funny thing, the great majority of my former fellow oil field folk were staunch conservatives.  Gun totin', huntin' and fishin' and ranch living' lib haters.  I guess they will enjoy him laughing at them.

[bolverk 29359]

Apologies for the longcat post, but this needs to be post in full.

Trump’s Statement on Saudi Arabia, Explained!

The president makes the case for the crown prince: Iran, arms sales and oil.

WASHINGTON — President Trump released an exclamation-point-filled statement on Tuesday about the assassination of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi. It took him some time to get to Mr. Khashoggi. But bear with it. The statement is a fascinating journey into the mind of the president. Mr. Trump, when he is not obfuscating, is sometimes startlingly transparent about why he makes decisions.

Here is the president’s statement, as released by the White House, with additional context.

Statement from President Donald J. Trump on Standing with Saudi Arabia

America First!

The world is a very dangerous place!

Well, indeed it is! But not so dangerous, perhaps, that one should expect to be assassinated in a consulate while going to collect paperwork for a wedding.

The country of Iran, as an example, is responsible for a bloody proxy war against Saudi Arabia in Yemen, trying to destabilize Iraq’s fragile attempt at democracy, supporting the terror group Hezbollah in Lebanon, propping up dictator Bashar Assad in Syria (who has killed millions of his own citizens), and much more.

Mr. Trump, here, is trying to remind the public who the United States’ real enemy is. Hint: It is not Saudi Arabia. Riyadh’s strong support for the Trump administration’s hard line on Iran is a prime reason that the White House has maintained support for Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler.

Likewise, the Iranians have killed many Americans and other innocent people throughout the Middle East. Iran states openly, and with great force, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!” Iran is considered “the world’s leading sponsor of terror.”

The Iranian government has been prone to shout the equivalent of “Death to America” and “Death to Israel.” But officials say Iranian terrorist activity is down recently. Tehran is seeking to keep Europe on board with the 2015 nuclear deal, from which the Trump administration withdrew.

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia would gladly withdraw from Yemen if the Iranians would agree to leave. They would immediately provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance.

Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen is a humanitarian disaster that has created the worst famine the country has seen. Despite calls from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis for a cease-fire, Saudi Arabia has stepped up its military operations. The Saudi military’s lack of discipline and planning in its airstrikes has resulted in high numbers of civilian casualties, according to American officials. Regional experts say the Trump administration’s most decisive action against Saudi Arabia so far has been to cut off aerial refueling flights for Riyadh’s military campaign in Yemen.

Additionally, Saudi Arabia has agreed to spend billions of dollars in leading the fight against Radical Islamic Terrorism. After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors.

This is a prime example of Mr. Trump’s brutally transactional foreign policy. He is supporting Saudi Arabia because he thinks it is critical for the United States’ defense industry. Saudi Arabia spends huge amounts on its military, and the United States is a beneficiary. However, the president’s numbers are exaggerated. Trouble in the Saudi economy has led the government to slow roll some of the pledges to buy high-ticket items, including the missile defense system known as Thaad.

If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries — and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!

Baloney! The Saudis cannot hang a Russian or Chinese bomb on American-built F-15s or Apache gunships. They don’t fit. Won’t work. Saudi Arabia has heavily invested in American-made and NATO-standard weapons. Where do you get munitions and spare parts for those planes and helicopters? The United States.

The crime against Jamal Khashoggi was a terrible one, and one that our country does not condone. Indeed, we have taken strong action against those already known to have participated in the murder. After great independent research, we now know many details of this horrible crime. We have already sanctioned 17 Saudis known to have been involved in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi, and the disposal of his body.

Here, at last, we get to Mr. Khashoggi, the Washington Post columnist and Virginia resident who was assassinated last month in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul. The Trump administration’s sanctions have mostly targeted the members of the Saudi kill team who traveled to Turkey to kill Mr. Khashoggi. Interestingly, the administration’s list included Saud al-Qahtani, a top adviser to Prince Mohammed, but it did not include Ahmed al-Assiri, a former deputy head of the Saudi intelligence service, who Saudi officials said masterminded the plot to confront Mr. Khashoggi in the consulate on Oct. 2.

Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that — this is an unacceptable and horrible crime.

Mr. Trump is repeating some of the phrases that the Saudi government has used to discredit Mr. Khashoggi. The president is pointedly not rebutting those claims, just saying his decision is not based on them. Arguably, he is being a bit backhanded.

King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event — maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!

Who knows! Can we ever really know what happened behind closed doors? Mr. Trump is clearly waiting for the kind of evidence shown on television: a recording of the crown prince giving the order or a confession of one of the kill team members. But former intelligence officers say that is not how it works. The puzzle pieces are never all present. Even without the smoking gun, enough evidence has emerged for C.I.A. officials to conclude that Prince Mohammed gave the order, according to current and former officials.

That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran. The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!

Remember who the bad guy is here! Another hint: It is not Prince Mohammed.

I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction — and they are free to do so. I will consider whatever ideas are presented to me, but only if they are consistent with the absolute security and safety of America. After the United States, Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world. They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels — so important for the world.

Other presidents have often shied away from talking about what lies at the heart of the strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia — oil production and low gas prices. Not Mr. Trump. And, surprising as it may seem, he is correct about the United States being the world’s largest oil producer.

As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!

In 1979, William Safire, the New York Times columnist and former presidential speechwriter, offered readers of this newspaper some sage advice: “Don’t overuse exclamation marks!!!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/trump-statement-saudi-arabia-explained.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Crucifixion is a terrible, terrible thing. Should never happen. And we may never know whether Jesus was guilty of crimes against Rome. Who can say? But thirty pieces IS a lot of silver, and it would be very foolish to turn it down.

credit to @normative

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

So how do those conservative oil field guys fill about Trump boasting about low prices considering their arguments on the scat site were high prices are good for the economy?

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One more:

In Pardoning Saudi Arabia, Trump Gives Guidance to Autocrats

 

WASHINGTON — President Trump has long viewed foreign policy as a series of business deals, stripped of values and idealism. But his 633-word statement on Tuesday about the brutal killing of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi showed the extent to which he believes that raw, mercantilist calculations should guide the United States’ decisions about the Middle East and the wider world.

Mr. Trump made clear that he sees alliances as transactional, based on which foreign partners buy the most weapons. American jobs outweigh American values. And all countries act abhorrently, so an American president should never hold friends to different standards than enemies.

Tuesday’s message could become something of a blueprint for foreign leaders — a guide to how they might increase their standing in the eyes of the American president as well as how far they can go in crushing domestic critics without raising American ire.

It was also a revealing meditation on the role that Mr. Trump believes facts should play in political decision-making. TheC.I.A. concluded that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia had ordered Mr. Khashoggi’s killing, American officials said last week. But on Tuesday, the president dismissed not only that assessment but also the very process of seeking the truth, implying that it did not really matter anyway. (“Maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!” Mr. Trump wrote of Prince Mohammed.) Instead, the decisions of a president should be guided by what is best for the economy and the United States’ security.

I can't seem to spoiler from phone so won't longcat:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/trump-khashoggi-statement.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

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Losing our shirts in the oil patch just to own the libs

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This Whitaker cat is dirty:

Matthew G. Whitaker, the acting attorney general, was paid more than $1.2 million in the past few years by a group active in conservative politics that does not reveal its donors, according to financial disclosure statements released Tuesday and other documents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/matthew-whitaker-finances.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Michelle Wolf just assassinated the President.

Mr President, Michelle Wolfe is here.

*stolen from twitter

[Lurch 5919]

This was better than anything else that entire night. 

I enjoyed perusing her instagram. She’s quite proud of her rudeness

[Fozzz 152]

If we're being honest, if the same thing happened under President Hilldawg we may have made some symbolic gesture, or there would have been some temporary punishment, but nothing meaningful would have really changed.  We've known who these people are for decades and we simply don't give a shit.  Power trumps all.

[Nivek 16807]

Is this non-US citizen's death worth risking the lives of Americans? Turns out if you talk shit about the House of Saud, you're probably going to have a bad time. 
I just don't see how people expect Trump to denounce this easily without pissing off one of our most powerful allies in the region. 
 

So you vote for appeasement strategy, Neville? Should we curtsy and apologize?

[Fozzz 152]

lol what would the Saudis do if we stopped funding them?  Their military is completely dependent on us.  Do you think an OBL-like character would attack us?  If you recall, OBL was in fact motivated by our presence over there.  

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13 hours ago, Vein said:

I'm not putting America at any more risk in the middle east because of this man's death wish.

Yes you are, actually. If you want to protect America's interests then you would be for reminding Saudi Arabia they are nothing more than our bitch right now.

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11 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

If we're being honest, if the same thing happened under President Hilldawg we may have made some symbolic gesture, or there would have been some temporary punishment, but nothing meaningful would have really changed.  We've known who these people are for decades and we simply don't give a shit.  Power trumps all.

I don't think any other president would've been so cravenly complicit with the instability induced internationally by MBS.

But MBS was so profligate in acts of ruthless impulsivity that he revealed himself as a dangerously destabilizing force in an all-too-volatile region.  To seize power, he brutally deposed his cousin, then arbitrarily arrested scores of relatives, subjecting them to extortion, abuse and, in one case, death from torture.

He kidnapped the Lebanese prime minister, forcing his resignation in a pathetic hostage video after subjecting him to physical abuse; imprisoned human rights activists, including women who had campaigned for the right to drive, and when Canada protested their fate, he expelled its ambassador. He roiled the region by organizing an ill-considered blockade of Qatar.

 

Most terribly, he has conducted a ghastly military campaign against Iranian proxies in Yemen, a rolling war crime that escalated the slaughter and starvation of civilians into the world’s worst humanitarian disaster ― all while spending vast sums acquiring yachts and artistic masterpieces.

Despite all the damning evidence of his character, Donald Trump now says of MBS “maybe he did and maybe he didn’t,” announcing that the U.S. would impose no further sanctions on Saudi Arabia or the crown prince for Khashoggi’s murder. The capitulation is a low point of his presidency, exposing the limitlessness of Trump’s moral, psychological and geopolitical failings.

How did we get here? In any normal presidency, an autocrat so devoid of external or internal constraints would provoke extreme caution ― and require unrelenting scrutiny of his role in Khashoggi’s murder.

Instead, from the beginning the callow princeling Jared Kushner fantasized that he and MBS could remake the Middle East, commencing intimate communications sometimes conducted outside normal channels. At Kushner’s urging, Trump made Saudi Arabia his first foreign visit, gorging himself on flattery as Kushner and MBS oversold the Saudis as indispensable allies against their mutual bête noire, Iran. Thus began America’s slide into the cesspool of complicity with the vicious mad prince.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bf46ff2e4b0eb6d930915db

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, Fozzz said:

If we're being honest, if the same thing happened under President Hilldawg we may have made some symbolic gesture, or there would have been some temporary punishment, but nothing meaningful would have really changed.  We've known who these people are for decades and we simply don't give a shit.  Power trumps all.

These motherfucking Saudis funded and supported the people who flew planes into NYC killing thousands of Americans.  Direct consequences of action in yemen ~15k dead, indirect actions tack on another ~50k or so. They decapitate and crucify homosexuals and generally make a habit of wiping their ass with human rights. If you still cling to the delusion that America actually has values centered around democracy, self determination, and basic human rights our relationship to SA is contradictory to all of them.  But we've been best buddies now for nearly 35 years. Propping up the petro dollar, exporting the machinery of war to the ME, and promoting regional and worldwide hegemony at the expense of human rights. The reality is that judging by actions and not rhetoric, those are in fact our core American values. And while the death of a journalist in Turkey and the bitch ass response from the WH is going to result in a little dustup in the short term, the most likely outcome is that we are going to drift back to a status quo with SA, no matter who is in power here or there.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

19 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

If we're being honest, if the same thing happened under President Hilldawg we may have made some symbolic gesture, or there would have been some temporary punishment, but nothing meaningful would have really changed.  We've known who these people are for decades and we simply don't give a shit.  Power trumps all.

Hillary would have acted like a president and called out the evil doer just like she did with Putin in his bullshit election.  She wouldn't have given a green light for MBS and other assholes to do more atrocious shit. 

There's a big difference.  In fact, it could be argued Khashoggi might still be alive if Hillary was president because MBS wouldn't want to deal with the consequences. 

Khashoggi was murdered because MBS knew there wouldn't be any real price to pay. 

It's the same reason we're getting pushed around by North Korea and Russia.  

Trump lets them do it. 

Edited November 21, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[DigDug 1649]

44 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

So how do those conservative oil field guys fill about Trump boasting about low prices considering their arguments on the scat site were high prices are good for the economy?

Doesn't matter one bit.  Go back and see Brisket's posts, it's all Trump all the time for those guys and nothing else matters.  That's the reality were in.

[Fozzz 152]

I don't know about that, Bolverk.  Were you following how the media was treating MBS while he was starving Yemen to death?  No one in the MSM really had a problem with him up until he had the audacity to kill one of them.  

https://fair.org/home/guardian-nyt-paint-power-grabbing-saudi-dictator-as-roguish-visionary-reformer/

[Homercles 10205]

If we're being honest, if the same thing happened under President Hilldawg we may have made some symbolic gesture, or there would have been some temporary punishment, but nothing meaningful would have really changed.  We've known who these people are for decades and we simply don't give a shit.  Power trumps all.

I was under the impression that appearances and symbolic gestures were hugely important in politics...tan suits, apology tours, Dijon mustard, feet on desks

[pyrohornIII 4801]

12 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

“Remember when we were in Sunday school as kids and taught the important stuff in life?  Things like don’t be mean to others and love your neighbors?  America needs to get back to Sunday school so we can show our children how adults are supposed to behave.  We need to elect leaders that listened in Sunday school instead of just calling others names.”

 

Democrats can totally dog whistle to Christians with rhetoric like that without alienating their voters.

This type of mindset is what made America great.  That speak softly and carry a big stick mantra Teddy pushed.  We expanded that overseas with The Marshall Plan and Peace Corps.

Now we have a dotard that tweets brashly and flicks a mushroom dick.

12 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

She has nice tits so she gets a pass from me:

 

10 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

This was better than anything else that entire night. 

Got me to follow her, they did.

 

10 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Y’all think those are real?

The one on the left looks real but the one on the right however.....

I know I’m female but I don’t have a whole lot of boob viewing experience. Other than my own. And I’ve had them for years so I don’t really stare at them.

I'm confused a bit, you don't stare at your own, or any tits at all?  Just asking questions.

10 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

There are some people completely void of a normal sense of humor.  They just don't get the jokes.  My dad was a joker and my mother is the opposite.  She would get so pissed when everyone else was laughing and she didn't get it.  Then when she felt she might be the butt of the joke, she really went ballistic.  I don't know if that is a narcissistic symptom, but I do know it is closely tied to insecurity.   As we see though on the cartoon and meme threads, the Rs have a vastly different style of humor.   Kind of like paint by numbers vs Da Vinci.  Simpler, less subtle, in between the lines.

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13 hours ago, Vein said:

It's always emotion based for the left. Just like this situation. 

Pointing out that you're a pussy has nothing to do with emotion.  

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12 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I don't know about that, Bolverk.  Were you following how the media was treating MBS while he was starving Yemen to death?  No one in the MSM really had a problem with him up until he had the audacity to kill one of them.  

https://fair.org/home/guardian-nyt-paint-power-grabbing-saudi-dictator-as-roguish-visionary-reformer/

We're not discussing the MSM right now. We're talking about what a hypothetical other president would be doing.

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9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

He can't win in 2020 with WI/PA/MI.  He personally held rallies for some of those Republicans, and they still lost.

And he couldn't even get a decorated USAF fighter pilot in Arizona to beat out a bisexual atheist liberal.  And Arizona is full of USAF personnel and good ol' Sheriff Joe.

A whole lot of areas that he won in 2016 rejected him in 2018.

And that's before we feel the full brunt of his trade war and the Mueller investigation.

Don't forget about that tax bill when people file and see less in their returns the next two years.

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12 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

This is why Trump won’t do anything about the Saudis.

This guy just flat out LIES to the Trumpkins face and they don’t care, not only that they make excuses for him.  It’s amazing, Trump spoke harsher about US ADMIRAL MCRAVEN than he did the Saudis!  And you fake military supporters say shit! it’s fucking pathetic.  

Sad!

 

 

That should be the first question asked of Trump in the next open session.  Use the specific dates and read the exact quotes and ask him why he completely changed his statement.

We will never get anywhere if you don't keep calling him out on all the blatant lies and expose the aggys that protect him.