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2 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

Damn, Ol' George is not getting laid tonight over that tweet.

And he's good with that.  

His tweets feel like a bit or misdirection.  At times I wonder if George isn't as vociferously anti-Trump as he acts or Kellyane isn't the trusted Trump adviser she seems.  Something doesn't fit.  Does insecure Trump really seem like the type to let an employee's spouse publicly disrespect him on a regular basis?

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Well...she makes a coupla good points. You have to give her that.
I think the Trump presidential library could be fascinating. As long as it isn't a shrine to Trump and a real hard look at his presidency it would be great. Of course that would only happen with some serious indictments. Otherwise it's the Fox News Presidential Memorial.

The Trump presidential library should be maintained in its current form: by the District Clerk for the Southern District of NY, and the District Clerk for the District of Columbia. You can access it just like the filings in any other criminal case.
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So we know this, Russian government representatives reached out to the Trump campaign in 2015 and undertook multiple initiatives and had multiple points and series of contacts with Team Trump for the next couple years.

It's not just the Trump Tower meeting.  It's not just the interactions with Wikileaks.  It's not just the Russian ties to Cambridge Analytica.  It's not just Konstantin Kiliminik, a Russian agent working hand in hand with campaign chair Paul Manafort.

It's not just the ties between Flynn and the Russians.  it's not just the links between the Russians and Eric Prince through the meeting in the Seychelles and beyond that.  It's not just the ties of Wilbur Ross.  It's not just the Trump Organization dealings with Russia.

It's not just Jared Kushner's dealings with Russia.  It's not just Kushner and Flynn's dealing with Kislyak during the campaign.  It's not just the candidate Trump asking for Russian help.  It's not just the GRU hacking for which indictments have already taken place.

We can go on.  But let's not stop before we discuss the many benefits the Russians delivered to Trump via hacking, the dumping of files, the manipulation of social media and other avenues...all to support Trump over Clinton.  Nor should we fail to discuss the benefits Trump offered the Russians since he gained power.  There was his covering up their hacking and his efforts to slow investigations of it. 

There was his denying the conclusions of the intelligence community about the Russians.  There were the talks between Flynn and the Russians about waiving sanctions.  There were the meetings with Trump when he was president when he handed over classified information to the Russians.  There were whatever promises or concessions were made in Helsinki. 

There was a pattern of placating the Russians or failing to enforce sanctions for months and months.  In other words, there was plenty of quid and plenty of quo ($50 million penthouse apartments and the promise of big deals or financing benefits aside).

From the outreach to Cohen to just the first months of the admin we can count more than a dozen separate avenues of connection at the highest level.  In any normal campaign or administration, just one would set off alarm bells and have the president calling the FBI into action.

But instead, in addition to those dozen avenues, the offers that were explicitly or tacitly accepted, benefits to both sides & the overt betrayal of the U.S. to advance the political or economic interests of Trump and those close to him, we have the president obstructing justice.

Actively obstructing.  Threatening to fire all those getting closer to the truth. Lying and lying and lying some more and urging staff to lie and witness tampering and so on.

This is not a case of possible collusion.  This is sweeping, multi-layered, high level conspiracy led by Vladimir Putin and the Russian intelligence community and involving the active cooperation and complicity of a man who was a candidate for president and then president as well as his entire team. 

This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency and there is not another that is close to it.  But that is not all we know.

The DoJ believes the president of the United States directed the commission of campaign finance felonies as a candidate.  The NYT produced extensive and compelling evidence of serial tax fraud by the Trump family.  The state of NY is investigate fraud in their charities.

The House will soon begin investigation of Trump money laundering.  A case involving his violation of the Constitution's emoluments clause is under way.  In other words, as massive as the Russia scandal is, it might not be the biggest Trump scandal.

It might not even be the scandal that brings Trump down.  But what we know is that all of these or any of these scandals must bring him down.  This criminal has no business being the White House.  He has no business walking freely among us.

2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump's life except for all those that will follow it.  These cases will be investigated further and then proven. Some may be prosecuted while he is in office.  Some may wait until he leaves office.

But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official--not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson--will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump.  And that is as it should be.

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So we know this, Russian government representatives reached out to the Trump campaign in 2015 and undertook multiple initiatives and had multiple points and series of contacts with Team Trump for the next couple years.
It's not just the Trump Tower meeting.  It's not just the interactions with Wikileaks.  It's not just the Russian ties to Cambridge Analytica.  It's not just Konstantin Kiliminik, a Russian agent working hand in hand with campaign chair Paul Manafort.
It's not just the ties between Flynn and the Russians.  it's not just the links between the Russians and Eric Prince through the meeting in the Seychelles and beyond that.  It's not just the ties of Wilbur Ross.  It's not just the Trump Organization dealings with Russia.
It's not just Jared Kushner's dealings with Russia.  It's not just Kushner and Flynn's dealing with Kislyak during the campaign.  It's not just the candidate Trump asking for Russian help.  It's not just the GRU hacking for which indictments have already taken place.
We can go on.  But let's not stop before we discuss the many benefits the Russians delivered to Trump via hacking, the dumping of files, the manipulation of social media and other avenues...all to support Trump over Clinton.  Nor should we fail to discuss the benefits Trump offered the Russians since he gained power.  There was his covering up their hacking and his efforts to slow investigations of it. 
There was his denying the conclusions of the intelligence community about the Russians.  There were the talks between Flynn and the Russians about waiving sanctions.  There were the meetings with Trump when he was president when he handed over classified information to the Russians.  There were whatever promises or concessions were made in Helsinki. 
There was a pattern of placating the Russians or failing to enforce sanctions for months and months.  In other words, there was plenty of quid and plenty of quo ($50 million penthouse apartments and the promise of big deals or financing benefits aside).
From the outreach to Cohen to just the first months of the admin we can count more than a dozen separate avenues of connection at the highest level.  In any normal campaign or administration, just one would set off alarm bells and have the president calling the FBI into action.
But instead, in addition to those dozen avenues, the offers that were explicitly or tacitly accepted, benefits to both sides & the overt betrayal of the U.S. to advance the political or economic interests of Trump and those close to him, we have the president obstructing justice.
Actively obstructing.  Threatening to fire all those getting closer to the truth. Lying and lying and lying some more and urging staff to lie and witness tampering and so on.
This is not a case of possible collusion.  This is sweeping, multi-layered, high level conspiracy led by Vladimir Putin and the Russian intelligence community and involving the active cooperation and complicity of a man who was a candidate for president and then president as well as his entire team. 
This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency and there is not another that is close to it.  But that is not all we know.
The DoJ believes the president of the United States directed the commission of campaign finance felonies as a candidate.  The NYT produced extensive and compelling evidence of serial tax fraud by the Trump family.  The state of NY is investigate fraud in their charities.
The House will soon begin investigation of Trump money laundering.  A case involving his violation of the Constitution's emoluments clause is under way.  In other words, as massive as the Russia scandal is, it might not be the biggest Trump scandal.
It might not even be the scandal that brings Trump down.  But what we know is that all of these or any of these scandals must bring him down.  This criminal has no business being the White House.  He has no business walking freely among us.
2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump's life except for all those that will follow it.  These cases will be investigated further and then proven. Some may be prosecuted while he is in office.  Some may wait until he leaves office.
But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official--not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson--will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump.  And that is as it should be.

Blah blah blah. TOTALLY CLEARS THE PRESIDENT! Suck it libtard!

Signed, the US Senate.
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28 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

His tweets feel like a bit or misdirection.  At times I wonder if George isn't as vociferously anti-Trump as he acts or Kellyane isn't the trusted Trump adviser she seems.  Something doesn't fit.  Does insecure Trump really seem like the type to let an employee's spouse publicly disrespect him on a regular basis?

I'm right there with you.  It's bizarre.

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33 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

His tweets feel like a bit or misdirection.  At times I wonder if George isn't as vociferously anti-Trump as he acts or Kellyane isn't the trusted Trump adviser she seems.  Something doesn't fit.  Does insecure Trump really seem like the type to let an employee's spouse publicly disrespect him on a regular basis?

Here's one theory...... It gets murkier from there, but basically this is a long game play by the Conway's to strong arm their way to being the preeminent power brokers in the GOP after Trump flames out.

More....

Maybe she's wrong.... maybe she's right, but the relationship and dynamics aren't like any Trump has had.  This is a guy who wanted everyone to sign a loyalty pledge, yet allows his best campaign strategist's husband bust his chops at every turn???  Something definitely doesn't smell right...

 

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58 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Nah. The Bush family would move HW's library out of College Station if aggy built a Trump library. Even aggy knows that would be a serious downgrade. 

Its going to Liberty or ORU if it goes anywhere. 

I'm telling you it will be at a Trump property and you'll have to book a minimum of three night stay and a round of golf to enter the lie-brary 

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"This criminal has no business being the White House.  He has no business walking freely among us.

2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump's life except for all those that will follow it.  These cases will be investigated further and then proven. Some may be prosecuted while he is in office.  Some may wait until he leaves office.

But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official--not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson--will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump.  And that is as it should be."

(I didn't vote for him. Lol @ those who did)

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Blah blah blah. TOTALLY CLEARS THE PRESIDENT! Suck it libtard!

Signed, the US Senate.

I have also always believed this.  Still, it will be interesting, and disgusting, to watch the pub Senators begin again this week demonstrating the low viscosity of their backbones.

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8 hours ago, TexArcher said:

If my wife looked like a scarecrow possessed by a demon, I'd do everything I could think of to keep her from getting horny.

If you don't mind having your head bitten off and consumed during sex, go for it, and not the little head either:

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18 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  We are a body politic.  30-40% of our body politic is completely taken over by the cancer of Trumpism.  No matter what happens in the next election - say the 60% not infected takes control -- we still have cancer in 30-40% of our body politic.  And it's not going to go away.

By the way, that's why I've said what I've said all along, and it's what anyone observing a patient with that volume of tumors: we're toast.  We MAY survive Trump.  We will NOT survive Trumpism.

 

I think the answer is education.  We have become fat and complacent as a nation.  We eschew education in favor of prosperity gospel, because we feel we are entitled to having things bestowed on us by God, if we just ask for it.  This has to be true, or we wouldn't have been born into the US.  It is easier to control the masses when they actively resist individual thought and follow the party line, so I feel there has been a systematic reduction in our general base of knowledge over time, starting with television and leading into the internet and the smartphone.   While some use the net to educate themselves, the majority uses it for porn, keeping up with celebrity royalty, sports, playing games, etc.  Entertainment, in other words. 

We no longer teach civics or any form of government in our schools.  How the hell do we expect our kids to understand if the government is working properly or not, if we don't teach them the basics?  

We are based on fear now, we actively avoid educating ourselves.  We accept sound bites from others we trust to be educated.  But many are too ignorant to separate the hucksters from the journalists.  

We survived the Red scare of McCarthyism.  I know very few people alive who lived through that who can give me a comparison of the two.  They seem parallel in hysteria whipping up fear and mob rule.  Most of those old enough to remember it are Trumpkins now. 

The answer is education, somehow increasing the desire to be smarter as a nation.  Not just for making more money, but making the world a better place for everyone.  How to do that is the big question.  But the encouraging part is that there are always going to be kids who want to learn, who have ideals.  That is where our hope lies.

 

14 hours ago, Satchel said:

Well, to be fair to Tillerson, he did tell the world that Trump is a "fucking moron". Few listened.

I think when he made the moron statement and didn't deny, it was bait he threw out to see if enough were willing to bite, to want more.  Not enough were, and he knew he needed to let things simmer longer to have the best impact. 

9 hours ago, Mapache said:

Working title "Individual-1, very cool and very legal"

very manly, very white.

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16 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

Serious question, and sorry if already discussed: what so-called university would embrace a lying, immoral grifter who hates science, cannot spell, and was demonstrably treasonous to the country?

Liberty University?   Are the self proclaimed followers of Christ’s teaching going to be the group who champions (hosts the “library”) of the man who acted antithetically to those teachings for every moment of his life?

I believe someone made this observation already on another thread, but I can see some prestigious universities going after the library.

 Initially it will be very North Korea-esque. But after Dotard's death, it could pull back the curtain and be an absolutely fascinating look into the clown show that is this presidency.  

Far better than some perpetual shrine to the bizzaro way he sees himself. 

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39 minutes ago, Chewy's Hairy Horn said:

prestigious universities going after the library

i doubt that for the same reason bin laden's body was lost.  whatever that library had to say inside, it would be a shrine that would attract constant trouble.

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1 hour ago, retread said:

 

There is no faster or more effective way to declare that you don't really understand history than to yell, "you'd all be speaking German if not for us!" at Europeans.

And I guarantee there is Nazi memorabilia somewhere in one of Trump's homes.  Lots of good people on both sides, and he admires autocrats.  Fat, dumb, hypocritical shitbag.

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4 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

There is no faster or more effective way to declare that you don't really understand history than to yell, "you'd all be speaking German if not for us!" at Europeans.

And I guarantee there is Nazi memorabilia somewhere in one of Trump's homes.  Lots of good people on both sides, and he admires autocrats.  Fat, dumb, hypocritical shitbag.

It just doesn't make any sense either. It was Europe vs Europe (for Dotard's purposes), so to prevent something like that from happening again we need to arm Europe? 

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