Donald Trump 2018

[Goredho 17656]

13 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

No, it wouldn't. Narcissism is not a virtue. Willful ignorance is not a virtue. Intellectual incuriosity is not a virtue. The obstinate adherence to a position when faced with contradictory evidence is not virtuous behavior. Trump's version of "hard-nosed" makes him a clueless moron. There's no virtue in that. 

If you are smart and right, obstinance absolutely can be a virtue.  Look at Herman staying the course after Maryland.  Churchill at the start of WWII.  Trump just happens to be a clueless moron who is obstinate.  His obstinance does not make him a clueless moron.

Edited December 9, 2018 by Goredho

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

If we can’t impeach or remove this cunt via the 25th, what’s the point of having those instruments on the books in the first place?

[RomaVicta 30588]

10 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I agree.

It's amazing anyone still votes for a politician associated with the Republican Party. 

Sadly, this whole hate engine has been rolling along for years. I've often wanted to write on here or the earlier places where we gathered that the GOP/Rabid Right had adopted the Nazi model but adapted it so no one gets rounded up.

My thesis was that the illusory Liberals were the equivalent of the Juden for them. Constant vilification of the libs, including hatred of the US and what it stands for. Focus the hate on a group.

They got away with it because they don't direct the anger at anyone who actually exists. The environmental wackos and feminazis are illusory, of course, but these phantoms control the Dem Party through the Clinton Cabal or George Soros. Their goal is not to improve America but to destroy it. They keep the poor, dumb, lazy negroes on the plantation with giveaways. You know what that means. Wink.

It's worked just like it did for Hitler. Had Limbaugh named a real people such as the Jews or Blacks, he would not have survived. But he and his moron chorus like to choose Jews, Blacks, and women as their targets for embodiment of the ebil lib conspiracy. The black woman representative from Houston was their unholy grail.

What's a white person to do? 

Now they and we reap what was sown. The evil was/is in the hate engine.

[David Dennison 19542]

2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If we can’t impeach or remove this cunt via the 25th, what’s the point of having those instruments on the books in the first place?

Because you can if you have the votes. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

34 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I agree, and by impeach, i meant start to wheels in motion, do his first.  Whether you actually get to remove or not you at least start to reveal all the reasons he should not be holding office.  Once that ball starts rolling, he would be pretty much powerless and ineffective as a Potus.    I think that the 25A high bars would be easier  to clear because of the rubble of the trump dynasty will be a huge booster step.

I think i expanded on my thoughts in my second attempt concerning the system that made trump an acceptable candidate, much less president.

 

All the reasons to impeach need to be overwhelming and public before the impeachment process starts. Mueller needs to have such clear evidence of fraud and conspiracy with a hostile foreign power that senate Republicans will be forced to go along, just like with Nixon.

If Dems rush to impeach before they have concrete evidence of serious crimes, it will backfire on them, the R's will use it to their advantage in 2020, and Trump will get reelected. 

[David Dennison 19542]

12 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

All the reasons to impeach need to be overwhelming and public before the impeachment process starts. Mueller needs to have such clear evidence of fraud and conspiracy with a hostile foreign power that senate Republicans will be forced to go along, just like with Nixon.

If Dems rush to impeach before they have concrete evidence of serious crimes, it will backfire on them, the R's will use it to their advantage in 2020, and Trump will get reelected. 

The SDNY has already accused him of committing two felonies. There's no telling what Mueller has in store.

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

20 minutes ago, Goredho said:

If you are smart and right, obstinance absolutely can be a virtue.  Look at Herman staying the course after Maryland.  Churchill at the start of WWII.  Trump just happens to be a clueless moron who is obstinate.  His obstinance does not make him a clueless moron.

If you're smart, you're open to the possibility that you're wrong. Trump isn't. He's a narcissist.

Having the courage of your convictions is one thing. Churchill also made mistakes and changed course. Hitler was obstinate too but he couldn't admit he was wrong and clung to a losing strategy. Trump is no Churchill and that wouldn't change if he suddenly wasn't completely amoral. 

But yes, if he was Winston Churchill instead of Donald Trump then he would be a good leader. I'll grant you that. 

[retread 2951]

But it's complicated

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

The republicans won’t turn on trumpy bear because of campaign finance violations. Mueller will have to have more than that and I suspect he already does. 

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The SDNY has already accused him of committing two felonies. There's no telling what Mueller has in store.

I know. But we need to wait and see what Mueller has. Impeachment needs to be a slam dunk. Voting Trump out in 2020 has to be the #1 priority unless/until it is. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, retread said:

But it's complicated

 

Yeah well, Rand is a traitor so that makes sense.

[Junior Miller 1502]

Lulz. Thousands of rules. 

 

I have a quick fix. Make all contributions to a politician illegal. Everything. Set up the system where people run and are elected based on strength of ideas and not how rich and corrupt they can get. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Gotta love Comey trolling Gowdy.

 

Edited December 9, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[retread 2951]

 

[David Dennison 19542]

11 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

Lulz. Thousands of rules. 

 

I have a quick fix. Make all contributions to a politician illegal. Everything. Set up the system where people run and are elected based on strength of ideas and not how rich and corrupt they can get. 

As great as that sounds, it's an unconstitutional restriction of speech.

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

20 minutes ago, retread said:

But it's complicated

 

Is it really that hard to know that it's probably illegal to pay off a pair of mistresses to keep them silent while you're running for president? Do you really have to consult the rule book on that one?

Makes you wonder what skeletons Rand has in his closet. 

[pyrohornIII 4846]

12 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

The republicans won’t turn on trumpy bear because of campaign finance violations. Mueller will have to have more than that and I suspect he already does. 

Yeah, we still have emoluments, tax fraud, tax evasion and money laundering to go, much less all the extortion and other shady shit that goes along with that.  At some point enough will be enough for some of these people.  Maybe not all, but hopefully enough to minimize the voice of the hangers on.   This is why the lunatics of Q are important to him.  If that can be exposed as the fraud it is with unimpeachable evidence, a lot trump base fades away.

[Brian Fantana 6866]

24 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

Lulz. Thousands of rules. 

 

I have a quick fix. Make all contributions to a politician illegal. Everything. Set up the system where people run and are elected based on strength of ideas and not how rich and corrupt they can get. 

Unfortunately, this doesn't fix anything and is the easiest and fastest way to ensure no one but the ultra rich can even have a chance at getting elected. Being seen and heard costs a lot of money. I'm not a fan of his, but for example: Bernie Sanders had a net worth of around 500k when he started running. He's not a pauper by any means, but there's no way someone like him could have sustained a campaign for any amount of time without campaign contributions.

Candidates need to be able to fund themselves through contribution, it's the only real way to level the playing field. However, our regulation of campaign finance is a complete joke and needs to be entirely revamped.

[Mdhorn 6166]

19 hours ago, Chet Steadman said:

Hugo Stiglitz, 11,999 posts later and still going strong. +rep

What percentage do you suppose have been about Trump?

 

Does this bother you or really get under your skin?  Because if it's not your posts, life, optional read, wtf do you care?  Opt out--it's well within your power, Thanks for your concern, buh bye.  

[lemonlime 5503]

Yeah, we still have emoluments, tax fraud, tax evasion and money laundering to go, much less all the extortion and other shady shit that goes along with that.  At some point enough will be enough for some of these people.  Maybe not all, but hopefully enough to minimize the voice of the hangers on.   This is why the lunatics of Q are important to him.  If that can be exposed as the fraud it is with unimpeachable evidence, a lot trump base fades away.

Yup. I think the dem Congress should hold some hearings on at least emoluments before impeaching. Get the information on how trump is using the office for personal benefit -- additional grounds beyond Mueller and the sdny accusations

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

 

Gowdy doing his best Lady MacBeth here

[Anastasis 23718]

God damnit Rand. 

[Celery Man 21098]

Big brained Rand the man with conviction

[Chet Steadman 940]

50 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

Does this bother you or really get under your skin?  Because if it's not your posts, life, optional read, wtf do you care?  Opt out--it's well within your power, Thanks for your concern, buh bye.  

What in the world are you talking about?  I’ve probably given Hugo no less than 50 upvotes in this thread alone.  

[atomheartbevo 90649]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

They CAN’T turn. They can’t win anything without the vote of their base. And their base is a cult of trump. Any betrayal of their god will be punished. I’d call it a dilemma, but it’s no dilemma at all. If you depend on GOP voters at all, you have to be loyal to trump. If you rep a district or state that has a better g chunk of Dems and independents, association with Trump is toxic. You are caught between groups that won’t forgive you for your betrayal/loyalty to Trump. As a repub, it’s a no-win.

Trump and his base lost Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania,and Arizona last month.  He threw endorsements out on twitter like they were confetti, and he campaigned at numerous rallies throughout these states for candidates who lost.  

He wasn’t even able to help a decorated fighter pilot beat a bisexual atheist in a state he won in 2016.  

And he’s put Georgia, NC, and Florida into play - states that were already very tight for him.   

SS Trump is taking on water, and a whole lot of Republicans have got about 18 months to figure out how to ditch him.  

And they have to ditch him.  They have no other choice.  Without Hillary on the ballot, his touch is not golden, as was shown last month.  And that was before SDNY.  

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

17 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Big brained Rand the man with conviction

Who is John Galt? Rand Paul has no idea. 

[Mdhorn 6166]

6 minutes ago, Chet Steadman said:

What in the world are you talking about?  I’ve probably given Hugo no less than 50 upvotes in this thread alone.  

I'm used to others pointing out his post count to discredit.  I'm insane sometimes.  

Edited December 9, 2018 by Mdhorn

[SquishMitten 10497]

I agree with Rand. A minor clerical error filling out paperwork should only be a fine. Last time I checked, that’s exactly how it’s penalized. But paying off hookers/mistresses, either with personal funds or campaign dollars, is a bit different than a clerical error

[Ted Lange 16413]

The fact that Trump was cheating on his wife and paying off women is obviously bad and it is clealy a crime.  IMO not something worthy of jail or impeachment though.  A huge fine, sure.  Is it something for voters to consider and his opponents to dog him on yep. 

[Anastasis 23718]

2 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

The fact that Trump was cheating on his wife and paying off women is obviously bad and it is clealy a crime.  IMO not something worthy of jail or impeachment though.  A huge fine, sure.  Is it something for voters to consider and his opponents to dog him on yep. 

Not really a secret that Trump fucks around on his wife. It was baked into the choice that the electorate made. But fucking paying off the whores using campaign funds is illegal and campaign finance crimes should be punished. 

[pyrohornIII 4846]

7 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

The fact that Trump was cheating on his wife and paying off women is obviously bad and it is clealy a crime.  IMO not something worthy of jail or impeachment though.  A huge fine, sure.  Is it something for voters to consider and his opponents to dog him on yep. 

It's the appetizer portion of a seven course meal, and that doesn't count drinks!

 

[HenryJames 67366]

 

[Anastasis 23718]

In fact, instead of paying her off, he should have held a press conference and bragged about raw dogging a porn star.  Could have dropped a nod to the playmate as well.  The evangelicals weren't going to vote for Hillary, and the rest of the GOP base would high five him. 

[4th&Five 42005]

Half the country thinks it’s worse to stay with a cheater than actually being one. 

[lemonlime 5503]

29 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

The fact that Trump was cheating on his wife and paying off women is obviously bad and it is clealy a crime.  IMO not something worthy of jail or impeachment though.  A huge fine, sure.  Is it something for voters to consider and his opponents to dog him on yep. 

Illegally using campaign funds to squash news that the candidate was sleeping around on his pregnant wife with a porn star is absolutely impeachable.  I don't really care if it's worthy of jail time.  But the entire purpose of campaign finance laws is to stop candidates from pulling one over on the electorate.  Trump violated the law to keep his misconduct from the public.  We might well have President Clinton now if he hadn't illegally paid them off and they came forward after Grab em by the Pussy tape.  On what planet should a president who committed felony campaign finance violations to hide the truth about his utter lack of decency be able to stay in office?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I can just see us debating if Obama should be impeached because he orchestrated an illegal conspiracy to payoff a pornstar to conceal from voters an affair while his wife was pregnant.

Yeah, it would be hotly debated on this forum. 

[David Dennison 19542]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I can just see us debating if Obama should be impeached because he orchestrated an illegal conspiracy to payoff a pornstar to conceal from voters an affair while his wife was pregnant.

Yeah, it would be hotly debated on this forum. 

Murica.

[Brisketexan 106899]

 

To be fair...that looks like a damned nice scope. I’m interested.

[Ted Lange 16413]

53 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Not really a secret that Trump fucks around on his wife. It was baked into the choice that the electorate made. But fucking paying off the whores using campaign funds is illegal and campaign finance crimes should be punished. 

To be clear, I absolutely think it should be punished. The degree to which is all I’m talking about. 

 

[Captainant 28539]

1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

To be clear, I absolutely think it should be punished. The degree to which is all I’m talking about. 

How about to the degree that the law states? Federal campaign finance violations, along with perjury for some of his peanut gallery as well as possibly lying to congress for trump himself.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Half the country thinks it’s worse to stay with a cheater than actually being one. 

Something something a candidate with a vagina something something.

[lemonlime 5503]

40 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Half the country thinks it’s worse to stay with a cheater than actually being one. 

No. They don't.  That same half of the country thinks Melanie is a saint and how dare you criticize her.

They just have to demonize dem women, particularly Hillary, Waters, Pelosi, and Cortez, and tomorrow's next target.  Actual concern about their conduct is far secondary.

[Patrick Bateman 3980]

Whoops..... 

[bad_teammate 13524]

flipping coins is hard

 

 

[Red Five 41738]

Everything he does is so fucking weird. Like an alien in human form trying to pretend to do human things.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

47 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Something something a candidate with a vagina something something.

 

Think it's pretty safe to say the most favored targets of the right are Hillary, Pelosi, and Ocasio-Cortez.

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Hillary got skewered endlessly for standing by her man.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Think it's pretty safe to say the most favored targets of the right are Hillary, Pelosi, and Ocasio-Cortez.

Gotta have a black in there.  Don’t sleep on Maxine Waters.

Edited December 9, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Gotta have a black in there.  Don’t sleep on Maxine Waters.

Diversity!

[Bama Chick 28596]

I hope some Deep Stater grows a pair and goes all Snowden and leaks the audio.