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11 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

 

About 40% would be my guess.

Yep. Over beers with some friends the other week we were chatting about this. It's important to note that we almost NEVER discuss politics while hanging out at the pub so this was a pretty rare thing & initiated by our friend who's a dyed in the wool republican who has openly stated he never has & never will vote for any candidate without an R next to their name. He's a smart guy, great friend, and the first man I would call if my wife's life was in danger & I couldn't be there. He's as true of a friend as they come.

That's why it was so infuriating to hear him say that he'll vote for Trump again in spite of the fact that he openly admits Trump is a lying, immoral conman who only wants to line his own pockets. My friend's not preachy but he's proud of being a southern baptist & jokingly calls us non-believers "heathens." But Trump gets a pass over any other non-R candidate because that letter next to his name is all that matters. "You've got to look at the big picture" is how he put it. Lots of jokes ensued at his expense after that comment. He KNOWS he's voted for a horrible human being. And will do it again because Team Politics is all that matters. 

It's maddening.

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21 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Remember that time when hypothetically that if a sitting president was forced to dissolve their own charity foundation for "self dealing" it would've been so destructive and vile that they'd be ashamed and embarrassed?

"The Clinton Foundation" alone was reason enough for Hillary to be completely disqualified from office (and note -- I sure as shit don't give her a pass with respect to ANY shenanigans that may have taken place, even if they were relatively small in the grand scheme -- crookery is crookery).  But now.....a foundation of NOTHING but self-dealing, and it's not even a blip on the radar.

Everything they said they hated about Hillary has ACTUALLY HAPPENED with Trump, and they don't give a shit about it.

Every second you breathe as a Trumpkin is another second that you humiliate yourself even more.

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6 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Yep. Over beers with some friends the other week we were chatting about this. It's important to note that we almost NEVER discuss politics while hanging out at the pub so this was a pretty rare thing & initiated by our friend who's a dyed in the wool republican who has openly stated he never has & never will vote for any candidate without an R next to their name. He's a smart guy, great friend, and the first man I would call if my wife's life was in danger & I couldn't be there. He's as true of a friend as they come.

 That's why it was so infuriating to hear him say that he'll vote for Trump again in spite of the fact that he openly admits Trump is a lying, immoral conman who only wants to line his own pockets. My friend's not preachy but he's proud of being a southern baptist & jokingly calls us non-believers "heathens." But Trump gets a pass over any other non-R candidate because that letter next to his name is all that matters. "You've got to look at the big picture" is how he put it. Lots of jokes ensued at his expense after that comment. He KNOWS he's voted for a horrible human being. And will do it again because Team Politics is all that matters. 

It's maddening.

 

2 minutes ago, RPM said:

They must be loyal to the party. Winning is all that matters.

Over Thanksgiving, my niece announced that she had just voted for the first time. Before anyone even had a chance to ask her how she voted, my dad simply said: "You vote for the Party, not the candidate." This is a man who in my youth often complained about Yellow Dog Democrats that would vote for the devil before considering a Republican (this was back in the 1970s & 80s). Just the notion of supporting a Party above all else seems like such a foreign, almost totalitarian, concept to me.

Can we start calling them Yellow Dog Republicans now?

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Over Thanksgiving, my niece announced that she had just voted for the first time. Before anyone even had a chance to ask her how she voted, my dad simply said: "You vote for the Party, not the candidate." This is a man who in my youth often complained about Yellow Dog Democrats that would vote for the devil before considering a Republican (this was back in the 1970s & 80s). Just the notion of supporting a Party above all else seems like such a foreign, almost totalitarian, concept to me.

Can we start calling them Yellow Dog Republicans now?

Orange jizz Republicans is more accurate.

Actually, it really is even simpler than that.  They are all Trumpists.  Period.  It's now about the cult of the man, not the party.  The party has been subsumed and absorbed by Trumpism.  It has no identity outside of Trumpism.  It's the Party of Trump, and only Trump.

Hell, I follow Jerry Patterson on FB.  You know, former Land Commissioner, maybe one of the strongest 2nd amendment proponents I've ever seen (I don't agree with Jerry on all of that, but he's a good and thoughtful guy, and he's damned well committed to gun rights).  The other day, he posted a DIRECT VIDEO QUOTE of Trump on taking the guns first, then due process later....and the relentless tide of attacking comments (RINO, libtard, deep-stater, etc.) make it 100% clear: there is only a party of Trump.  Any questioning of their Godking requires excommunication and shunning.

I live in a world where the modern GOP base thinks Jerry Patterson is a RINO libtard.  Chew on that.

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4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Just the notion of supporting a Party above all else seems like such a foreign, almost totalitarian, concept to me.

It's un-American. There is not one word in our constitution about supporting a political party.

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It's not the promised SPACE FORCE, but I'll bet that Trump will say it is:

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Trump signs order to create U.S. Space Command

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump launched the Pentagon’s new Space Command Tuesday, an effort to better organize and advance the military’s vast operations in space that could cost as much as $800 million over the next five years.

Trump signed a one-page memorandum Tuesday authorizing the Defense Department to create the new command. Speaking at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, Vice President Mike Pence said, “a new era of American national security in space begins today.”

The goal is to set up a command to oversee and organize space operations, accelerate technical advances and find more effective ways to defend U.S. assets in space, including the vast constellations of satellites that American forces rely on for navigation, communications and surveillance. The move comes amid growing concerns that China and Russia are working on ways to disrupt, disable or even destroy U.S. satellites.

The new order is separate from the president’s much touted goal of creating a “Space Force” as an independent armed service branch, but is considered a first step in that direction. The memo provides little detail on what will be a long and complicated process as the Defense Department begins to pull together various space units from across the military services into a more coordinated, independent organization.

 

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1 minute ago, RPM said:

It's un-American. There is not one word in our constitution about supporting a political party.

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

Washington, right?

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2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

He ain't lyin'.

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Prediction:   The bumpstock ban is a distraction from his failure on the wall and on the criminal and foundation stuff.  In the next few days Trump will withdraw the bump stock ban.  He will claim that the libruls pushed it through and will claim victory.  Trumpkins will believe it because they're stupid. They will rejoice that their dear leader owned the libs again.

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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Orange jizz Republicans is more accurate.

Actually, it really is even simpler than that.  They are all Trumpists.  Period.  It's now about the cult of the man, not the party.  The party has been subsumed and absorbed by Trumpism.  It has no identity outside of Trumpism.  It's the Party of Trump, and only Trump.

Hell, I follow Jerry Patterson on FB.  You know, former Land Commissioner, maybe one of the strongest 2nd amendment proponents I've ever seen (I don't agree with Jerry on all of that, but he's a good and thoughtful guy, and he's damned well committed to gun rights).  The other day, he posted a DIRECT VIDEO QUOTE of Trump on taking the guns first, then due process later....and the relentless tide of attacking comments (RINO, libtard, deep-stater, etc.) make it 100% clear: there is only a party of Trump.  Any questioning of their Godking requires excommunication and shunning.

I live in a world where the modern GOP base thinks Jerry Patterson is a RINO libtard.  Chew on that.

What do the NFL, Nike, Twitter, Jeff Sessions, Morning Joe, and Jerry Patterson have in common?

 

They are all persons, organizations, or companies that I thought I would never side with that DOTUS has made me side with.

 

 

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3 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

Is it any wonder this guy set the record for Chapter 11s?  I guess that answers the question of how you bankrupt the big casino in Atlantic City.  “Don’t tell me the numbers for why the house always wins!  Just feel lucky! Also, let’s take on about 2 billion in debt and funnel that to me personally.”

When I read this I immediately thought of the scene in Goodfellas where Liotta and Pesci torched the restaurant/club because it had been bled dry and was of no use to the mob. That's how a casino goes bankrupt. 

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When I read this I immediately thought of the scene in Goodfellas where Liotta and Pesci torched the restaurant/club because it had been bled dry and was of no use to the mob. That's how a casino goes bankrupt. 

This is also essentially what many private equity firms do when they take over businesses like Sears.

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12 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

To go back to this briefly--

I'd say the odds are even that DOTUS will end up not signing the bill in a fit of pique or constipation.

Imagine being a govt worker and your Christmas paycheck depends on how much KFC Cheeto ate the night before.

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Sorry but some of you who think that 40 percent of the country will continue to support trump if the economy tanks or even that the country somehow consists of 40 percent trumpkins are out of your minds. 

The country is approximately one third republican, one third democrat and one third independent. Has been for awhile. And that’s being generous to Republicans and takes into account their voter suppression efforts. In actuality the dems are close to 40 percent but usually don’t vote enough. 

Of those republicans about 2/3rd are completely irredeemable trumpkins or about 25 percent of the country. 

If the economy tanks trumpy bear’s support drops into the 20s and he’s finished. Nobody will give one shit what the irredeemable trumpkins think at that point. 

Yall are underestimating the what’s mine is mine crowd in the republican room as well as all independents if things go south. 

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14 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

 

Other elements of the brief descend into early U.S. history, going back to the plantations and land purchases made by the founding fathers and early presidents.

Trump attorneys cite Washington D.C. land records from 1793 to show that George Washington purchased “several lots of federal land” during his presidency, adding that “no concern was raised that such transactions conferred a benefit.”

The DOJ goes further, however, and reaches for the slave-run plantations that Washington and Thomas Jefferson ran while in office as examples how the Constitution permits presidents to run private businesses while in office.

 

“Several early Presidents owned plantations and continued to export cash crops overseas while in office, including Washington, who exported flour and cornmeal to ‘England, Portugal, and the island of Jamaica,’ and Thomas Jefferson, who exported tobacco to Great Britain,” the filing reads.

 

But Jefferson! But Washington!

JFC. Pathetic.

Say hello to the only context in which the names Washington, Jefferson and Trump are spoken of together.

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25 percent of the country will believe him. It won’t be enough. 

I hope you're right. But Republicans have pushed all their chips in with Trump. They know the party is fucked the minute a Trumpkin isn't President anymore. 

Trying to make sense of the future when dealing with nonsensical people is a tall order. I have zero expectations that any Republican will "see the light."

 

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

He'll change his mind on the gun thing.  He needs the NRA people licking his taint and they'll be sure he doesn't follow through.

 

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Prediction:   The bumpstock ban is a distraction from his failure on the wall and on the criminal and foundation stuff.  In the next few days Trump will withdraw the bump stock ban.  He will claim that the libruls pushed it through and will claim victory.  Trumpkins will believe it because they're stupid. They will rejoice that their dear leader owned the libs again.

Trump has had his eye on this ban going back to February, when he first directed Sessions to look into writing it  

And back in March, he spoke to a bunch of police chiefs or cops or whatever, and said that the cops should be able to take the guns first, and worry about the courts later.   

And given that the NRA and its Russian shenanigans are one more problem for him, I think he gives no fucks.  He knows the gun owners won’t flip to the Dems.  He may not realize they could stay home or write somebody in.  I do think he underestimates the concern they gun owners have right now.  

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9 minutes ago, Goredho said:

So is Trump Thelma and the GOP Louise?  Or is it the other way around?

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You’re giving both of them too much credit. The gop and trump are like the gimp in pulp fiction if you pulled him out of his box and stuck him in a car and auto accelerated it into a canyon 

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19 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Sorry but some of you who think that 40 percent of the country will continue to support trump if the economy tanks or even that the country somehow consists of 40 percent trumpkins are out of your minds. 

The country is approximately one third republican, one third democrat and one third independent. Has been for awhile. And that’s being generous to Republicans and takes into account their voter suppression efforts. In actuality the dems are close to 40 percent but usually don’t vote enough. 

Of those republicans about 2/3rd are completely irredeemable trumpkins or about 25 percent of the country. 

If the economy tanks trumpy bear’s support drops into the 20s and he’s finished. Nobody will give one shit what the irredeemable trumpkins think at that point. 

Yall are underestimating the what’s mine is mine crowd in the republican room as well as all independents if things go south. 

I'll bet you $100 cash right now that his support never drops below 33%.  Really, I think 35% is his actual floor, but "1/3" is such a symmetrical number.  Seriously, I will place that bet all day long.

You don't understand -- you are applying normal political paradigms.  They don't apply here.  What we see here is a cult. It is utterly and completely immune to facts, evidence, or reason.  No evidence will convince the believers to turn against God, because those alleged "facts" are actually FAKE NEWS.  Their belief in their God is not falsifiable, in any way.  Thus, it is unshakable, and unyielding. 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

I'll bet you $100 cash right now that his support never drops below 33%.  Really, I think 35% is his actual floor, but "1/3" is such a symmetrical number.  Seriously, I will place that bet all day long.

You don't understand -- you are applying normal political paradigms.  They don't apply here.  What we see here is a cult. It is utterly and completely immune to facts, evidence, or reason.  No evidence will convince the believers to turn against God, because those alleged "facts" are actually FAKE NEWS.  Their belief in their God is not falsifiable, in any way.  Thus, it is unshakable, and unyielding. 

I think you’re right to a degree but not enough to matter. The economy tanks he still goes down. 

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13 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I think you’re right to a degree but not enough to matter. The economy tanks he still goes down. 

How so?  You seem to think any of his current supporters would actually hold him accountable for the economy.  It'll be the libs fault.  Everything is the libs fault to these idiots who do in fact constitute at least 1/3 of the voting population.

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How so?  You seem to think any of his current supporters would actually hold him accountable for the economy.  It'll be the libs fault.  Everything is the libs fault to these idiots who do in fact constitute at least 1/3 of the voting population.

You are assuming 100 percent of Republicans are completely irredeemable. I don’t think that’s realistic. I’m thinking it’s more like 70 percent of them. But I guess we’ll see. 

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You are assuming 100 percent of Republicans are completely irredeemable. I don’t think that’s realistic. I’m thinking it’s more like 70 percent of them. But I guess we’ll see. 

So they're redeemable by their pocketbooks getting hurt?  After staying silent on child separation policy, "good Nazis," and Helsinki.  

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2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

You are assuming 100 percent of Republicans are completely irredeemable. I don’t think that’s realistic. I’m thinking it’s more like 70 percent of them. But I guess we’ll see. 

You are way overestimating the republican party.  But even if you're right, that 70% is more than enough to re-nominate him.  The other 30%, and most of the "independents" (many of whom are just pretend libertarians) might express publicly some doubt, but they will gladly vote for Trump over Biden or Beto or whoever the D's nominate, because baby killer or socialist or whatever the latest smear they hear on TV and from their preachers about democrats.  I discussed this earlier.  It's not about politics or policy, its a fundamental belief that democrats are actual evil and Trump is better than an evil democrat.

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You are way overestimating the republican party.  But even if you're right, that 70% is more than enough to re-nominate him.  The other 30%, and most of the "independents" (many of whom are just pretend libertarians) might express publicly some doubt, but they will gladly vote for Trump over Biden or Beto or whoever the D's nominate, because baby killer or socialist or whatever the latest smear they hear on TV and from their preachers about democrats.  I discussed this earlier.  It's not about politics or policy, its a fundamental belief that democrats are actual evil and Trump is better than an evil democrat.

The republicans will nominate him but he would not win the election. You think if the economy tanks independents are still gonna support trump? He’s already lost Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania and that’s with the economy currently strong. If the election is held today trump loses. If the economy tanks it’s a landslide loss for trumpy bear. 

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