Black people arrested for sitting in a Starbucks

[Pancho 44707]

I know Swam, CLH, OnBoard, and the rest of the Republicans are happy about this. 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

Why did it take 6-8 police officers to do that?  What were they actually arrested for?  What was the charge?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

I sure hope there is more to this story.

[bad_teammate 13191]

~*~ very DixonHurishly ~*~

This would all work itself out with social and economic pressure if it weren't for liberal intervention into racial politics!

~*~ entire bird's nest falls out of beard ~*~

Edited April 14, 2018 by bad_teammate

[po elvis 2070]

7 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I sure hope there is more to this story.

the whole story is right there. all 30 seconds. you don't see the context?

[bad_teammate 13191]

Two things that suck:

- Cops

- Starbucks

[Clearlakehorn 8]

I have to say I find their actions despicable. 

Do you even see the terror on the face of that nice white gentleman in the vest as these thugs with hair braids and hoodies were led out? This is why we need more guns in Starbucks. 

[Anastasis 23459]

Baby steps.

They didn't shoot them. 

[bad_teammate 13191]

The interaction between grey-vest and the cop is great. The cop starts the conversation and immediately turns into a whining bitch when confronted by the COMPLETELY OBVIOUS reality of state-funded white power racism.

Meanwhile 1000 other LEOs stand around like dumbfucks with bicycle helmets to reassure each other through collective complicity that it's OK to enact state violence against passive black men who did nothing and are doing nothing.

All in a fucking Starbucks.

 

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[David Dennison 18849]

Pathetic.

[DixonHur 11292]

15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

~*~ very DixonHurishly ~*~

This would all work itself out with social and economic pressure if it weren't for liberal intervention into racial politics!

~*~ entire bird's nest falls out of beard ~*~

You're not very smart, are you?

The only reason we have this information is because of social pressure.  Now Starbucks, and the police, will have to answer for it.  

But your point is valid.  Clearly the CRA prevented it from happening.

 

[wildcat09 29345]

Pancho don’t you know the real problem is identity politics that force the cops to do stuff like arrest black people for no reason? It’s not the cops’ fault, it’s black people and liberals making them do this stuff.

[Brisketexan 105064]

You're not very smart, are you?
The only reason we have this information is because of social pressure.  Now Starbucks, and the police, will have to answer for it.  
But your point is valid.  Clearly the CRA prevented it from happening.
 

The CRA may give the additional leverage of legal recourse. I like more weapons, not fewer.

Also, what an echo for me. One of my friends in law school - a prince of a guy, smart as hell, now quite successful - is a black guy who grew up in Philly. I remember him telling me about an occasion the summer before Law school. A friend of his (college grad, traveling for business) was in philly for work. My friend went to his hotel to meet him so they could go grab a beer and dinner. He was sitting in the lobby for 5 mins when the cops came in. They grilled him about whether he was a guest (no, I’m here to meet a friend for dinner). They asked for his ID. They checked for warrants. His friend car down (also a black guy), and they asked if they could leave for dinner. The cops had to confab for a bit before they said sure (as they had no basis to hold him).

Just a day in the life of a black guy. But, you know, they’re only mad because Soros pays them and stuff.

[David Dennison 18849]

3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

You're not very smart, are you?

The only reason we have this information is because of social pressure.  Now Starbucks, and the police, will have to answer for it.  

But your point is valid.  Clearly the CRA prevented it from happening.

 

The CRA has a role to play in Starbucks and the police having to answer for it. It's not just social pressure.

[Chrispy 132]

I just left Starbucks, it was delicious. May need some insulin though. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

So that’s your problem.   

[Dr. Teeth 5843]

31 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I sure hope there is more to this story.

This is ultimately the issue. There is no more to story. People just automatically assume there is. 

[DixonHur 11292]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The CRA has a role to play in Starbucks and the police having to answer for it. It's not just social pressure.

No, actually it doesn't.  

A random employee of Starbucks calling the police is not fixed by the CRA, nor was police brutality...that's a constitutional rights issue.

Not to mention, we don't even have all the facts yet.  Is this automatically a race issue because they weren't white?

[Seger78 258]

Longer video

 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13089]

31 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I sure hope there is more to this story.

It's quite likely there is but waiting for it doesn't give us the opportunity to fan the flames and push an agenda.

[WhatTheBuck 28775]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

This is ultimately the issue. There is no more to story. People just automatically assume there is. 

You mean it didn't happen in some city somewhere?

[Seger78 258]

6 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

It's quite likely there is but waiting for it doesn't give us the opportunity to fan the flames and push an agenda.

Doesn't look like it.

Looks like two black guys go to Starbucks to meet friend and don't order anything. Starbucks calls the cops because they're scary looking. Cops come and tell them to leave. They say they don't want to leave because that's bullshit. Their friend shows up in his fancy vest and calls out the cops for their bullshit. Cops arrest the two guys for trespassing. They are released from jail at 1am and no charges are filed.

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by Seger78

[David Dennison 18849]

12 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

No, actually it doesn't.  

A random employee of Starbucks calling the police is not fixed by the CRA, nor was police brutality...that's a constitutional rights issue.

Not to mention, we don't even have all the facts yet.  Is this automatically a race issue because they weren't white?

Um, they can sue the city based on rights granted by the Civil Rights Act of 1871. Now I get that that's not the CRA you're talking about, but it definitely helps give credence to the notion that there are civil rights in this country that need to be protected beyond the Constitution's limitations on government.

Edited April 14, 2018 by David Dennison

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13089]

1 minute ago, Seger78 said:

Doesn't look like it.

Looks like two black guys go to Starbucks to meet friend and don't order anything. Starbucks calls the cops because they're scary looking. Cops come and tell them to leave. They say they don't want to leave because that's bullshit. Their friend shows up in his fancy vest and calls out the cops for their bullshit. Cops arrest the two guys for trespassing.

 

You may be correct but we don’t know all of the events leading up to the video.

[Seger78 258]

6 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

You may be correct but we don’t know all of the events leading up to the video.

We do know that witnesses in the video can be heard saying that they didn't do anything, and we also know that there were no charges filed.

Edited April 14, 2018 by Seger78
illiterate

[DaysOff 7947]

Why would anyone go to Starbucks? Fucking awful burnt swill.

[Hank Kingsley 20905]

4 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

You may be correct but we don’t know all of the events leading up to the video.

[JohnnyRage 1617]

9 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

You may be correct but we don’t know all of the events leading up to the video.

I hope my sarcasm meter is broke.

They are dumbasses for not immediately ordering two free tasty waters, may be the best thing there. But then again, maybe they didn't know they could.

Loitering is probably a crime there. Strange how the videographer of the longer video laughs at the end.

Edited April 14, 2018 by JohnnyRage

[po elvis 2070]

1 minute ago, Seger78 said:

We do know  that witnesses in the video can be heard  saying that they didn't do anything, and we also know that there were no charges filed.

the only person than can shed light on this is the starbucks worker who called the police. if their answer is simply that they were sitting there without ordering anything, then that is not enough since that is common practice at starbucks. if they say that they were sitting there and said "mmm baby shake that ass" as a female customer walked by, then that is enough.

[Ragnarok 103]

Well, Starbucks is a dues paying member of the liberal establishment, so I'm sure the media will give them some positive spin along the lines of  "Unarmed black men not shot or beaten during arrest at Starbucks"

[DixonHur 11292]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Um, they can sue the city based on rights granted by the Civil Rights Act of 1871. Now I get that that's not the CRA you're talking about, but it definitely helps give credence to the notion that there are civil rights in this country that need to be protected beyond the Constitution limitations on government.

I understand your point, I just happen to disagree with the idea of using civil remedies to solve unconstitutional actions.

Tax payers just end up footing the bill, but outside of the particular case being litigated, nothing changes in the big picture.

It's not that I don't care, it's just that I think social and economic pressure, along  with litigation from a constitutional perspective are far more effective in the long run.  

I don't believe you can can make someone less of a bigot by passing laws, but I do think you can make them more bigoted by doing so.  You just push the hatred further into the shadows so it's not as obvious.  I'd prefer to know who the bigots are so I can't avoid them both socially and financially.

Anyway, we've already had 2 threads on the issue.  Don't think we need a third, so I'm out.

[Pancho 44707]

33 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

You may be correct but we don’t know all of the events leading up to the video.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

43 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

This is ultimately the issue. There is no more to story. People just automatically assume there is. 

I don't assume there is.  I'm hoping there is.   I believe this happens all the time, exactly as presented in the video.  I also know that there is sometimes more to a story, and a knee-jerk response to a 30-second clip can sometimes backfire.  Shouldn't take long to get the full story. 

[yaqdum 182]

i just had a look at the location where this occurred and think maybe i have something to add.

here's the streetview.  the thing to note here is the absence of people who aren't white.  people who have never lived up north don't have an appreciation for northern racism.  it's pernicious and therefore subtle.

i haven't read the detail and also realize the whole episode can turn on learning additional insight that is probably not available at this point.  what i do know is my experiences living up north taught me how to read the racism there.  looking at the streetview scene and using goog's wayback machine to look back in time, i couldn't see a non-white face until i got back to 2011.  back then the site was a cleaners, not a bad-coffee joint.  we, down here, don't realize how segregated the northern cities are.  it isn't official and isn't recognized up there.  it just is.

simply those folks being in an all-white area is an offense, and i'm sure the offenders here knew it.  it was a minor-league version of the lady who refused to go to the back of the bus.

 

edit:  adden-dumb.

i looked again at the streetview i just posted and realize i made a mistake.  there is one woman on the street who may be non-white but the google smear makes it not clear whether or not.  if african, she is light-skinned.

but well down one of the streets i just found a man who is clearly african.  that doesn't change my opinion one bit, but i erred in not noticing that.  what isn't wrong is my understanding of the north.  i used to see a cop having pulled over a car in a all-white neighborhood and would make a guess regarding the age of the black person driving.  when i say, all-white, by the way, i mean all white except the one or two black families who live there who are ordained to be the pets of the neighborhood.  like sammy davis, they are there to show how not-racist the neighborhood is.  any non-pets are one their own.

Edited April 14, 2018 by yaqdum

[PatSolitanojr 518]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Two things that suck:

- Cops

- Starbucks

>anti gun

>anti cop

pick one

[Stunns38 3460]

i just had a look at the location where this occurred and think maybe i have something to add.
here's the streetview.  the thing to note here is the absence of people who aren't white.  people who have never lived up north don't have an appreciation for northern racism.  it's pernicious and therefore subtle.
i haven't read the detail and also realize the whole episode can turn on learning additional insight that is probably not available at this point.  what i do know is my experiences living up north taught me how to read the racism there.  looking at the streetview scene and using goog's wayback machine to look back in time, i couldn't see a non-white face until i got back to 2011.  back then the site was a cleaners, not a bad-coffee joint.  we, down here, don't realize how segregated the northern cities are.  it isn't official and isn't recognized up there.  it just is.
simply those folks being in an all-white area is an offense, and i'm sure the offenders here knew it.  it was a minor-league version of the lady who refused to go to the back of the bus.

I’ve gone through tons of small towns from Canada to Cali to New Mex to Vidor to La, Miss, Bama, Florida, Chicago, almost most of the country and I think the most blatantly racist town I’ve gone to was Ronkonkama, NY in Suffolk County Long Island. Your post describes Northern Cities perfectly, especially brownstone gentrifying Brooklyn, Philly, DC, etc. Boston and Chicago are less subtle of course. Shit, Hipster Williamsburg And Greenpoint Brooklyn have Nazi Skinhead gangs.

Northern racism is the most frustrating because they do passive-aggressive shit to try to get under your skin. The north is a lot more segregated and talks shit about the South even though they’re worse outside a few areas.

[Rocko 119]

Maybe don’t break the law and you won’t get arrested. I somehow avoid it every day.  

[po elvis 2070]

6 minutes ago, yaqdum said:

i just had a look at the location where this occurred and think maybe i have something to add.

here's the streetview.  the thing to note here is the absence of people who aren't white.  people who have never lived up north don't have an appreciation for northern racism.  it's pernicious and therefore subtle.

i haven't read the detail and also realize the whole episode can turn on learning additional insight that is probably not available at this point.  what i do know is my experiences living up north taught me how to read the racism there.  looking at the streetview scene and using goog's wayback machine to look back in time, i couldn't see a non-white face until i got back to 2011.  back then the site was a cleaners, not a bad-coffee joint.  we, down here, don't realize how segregated the northern cities are.  it isn't official and isn't recognized up there.  it just is.

simply those folks being in an all-white area is an offense, and i'm sure the offenders here knew it.  it was a minor-league version of the lady who refused to go to the back of the bus.

there are 4 black people right there in your streetview.

since everyone is speculating, i will speculate. the starbucks had been pretty busy. these guys were sitting there taking up two tables for 30 minutes without ordering. they aren't on laptops or anything, just sitting there. if they were white, they would have been asked to order or leave and they would have just left. but since they are black, they get asked the same thing and they claim it is because they are black. cops have to be called. because they won't leave.

[Chooky 13307]

Po really is yag.

[po elvis 2070]

5 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Po really is yag.

or just not fazed by emotion.

Edited April 14, 2018 by po elvis
im a dumbass

[yaqdum 182]

5 minutes ago, po elvis said:

there are 4 black people right there in your streetview.

since everyone is speculating, i will speculate. the starbucks had been pretty busy. these guys were sitting there taking up two tables for 30 minutes without ordering. they aren't on laptops or anything, just sitting there. if they were white, they would have been asked to order or leave and they would have just left. but since they are black, they get asked the same thing and they claim it is because they are black. cops have to be called. because they won't leave.

i'm not sure about four but i see your point.  i''ll be quiet now.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

7 minutes ago, Rocko said:

Maybe don’t break the law and you won’t get arrested. I somehow avoid it every day.  

If you do that by avoiding situations in which you are waiting for someone to meet you at restaurants, hotel lobbies, etc., you are less free than I am.  And that's the problem. 

[Chooky 13307]

1 minute ago, po elvis said:

or just not phased by emotion.

I think you are phased by emotion.  I think you often force yourself into hard conclusions that make you feel more comfortable with your worldview even when you don't know all of the facts.  Someone operating with a lack of emotion would want to know all of the context before making any declarative conclusion.  We don't know everything that happened but we definitely know what you want to have happened.

[In10se 175]

So I see Rocko's fake black persona is going to be here as well. 

[Chrispy 132]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Two things that suck:

- Cops

- Starbucks

This individual could be operating a motor vehicle near me, that’s scary. 

[In10se 175]

A few weeks ago I was picking up an order at an IHOP in Plano at 11 pm and a homeless white guy was sitting inside the waiting area just screaming all sorts of vile shit at some imaginary person and not a single person called the cops. If it was a black dude wonder how long until cops show up. 

Philly and Boston are insanely racist though. 

[freyguy 4262]

Starbucks is a study lounge with free WiFi that also sells overpriced coffee.  I’m glad the hipster who orders his one chai latte and blogs for 6 hours got his right to sit.

[DanTheHorn 4913]

48 minutes ago, po elvis said:

there are 4 black people right there in your streetview.

since everyone is speculating, i will speculate. the starbucks had been pretty busy. these guys were sitting there taking up two tables for 30 minutes without ordering. they aren't on laptops or anything, just sitting there. if they were white, they would have been asked to order or leave and they would have just left. but since they are black, they get asked the same thing and they claim it is because they are black. cops have to be called. because they won't leave.

Because black folks put up with a lot of shit through out life. At some point they just can't see the same act as fair. You must be a white dude that does not get it. I am Hispanic so I do not get it as bad but when I was I UT some white girl turned her glove in at the intramural ahead of me and asked if she could get a discount if she was a minority. You know how many discounts minorities get for being a minority. ZERO. Listen to this type shit and get the looks all your life and then tell me if you would perceived being asked to leave as something that just everyone has happen to them.

[Hank Kingsley 20905]

56 minutes ago, Rocko said:

Maybe don’t break the law and you won’t get arrested. I somehow avoid it every day.  

So, live as a black man in full consideration of expectations from the white man?

[Hanrahan 1306]

A few weeks ago I was picking up an order at an IHOP in Plano at 11 pm and a homeless white guy was sitting inside the waiting area just screaming all sorts of vile shit at some imaginary person and not a single person called the cops. If it was a black dude wonder how long until cops show up. 
Philly and Boston are insanely racist though. 

Why the fuck were you getting IHOP to go in Plano? That don’t make no sense.