Black people arrested for sitting in a Starbucks

[formermav43 4606]

57 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Bada/Current Events/Daily Texans is basically a place for exurb-mentality centrists to talk about things of no consequence and never have to address difficult ideas.

Is that what you think you’re doing here? Oh Lord.

[bad_teammate 13196]

2 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

Is that what you think you’re doing here? Oh Lord.

Not really disagreeing with me, are you?

CR was obviously not a high-brow place of astonishing insight and necessity, but it is where things were exiled when they challenged the most basic-bitch level of centrist political and ideological thought. Politics for people terrified of politics.

[Sawbonz 27565]

Lulz

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

It's funny how many people want the cops to interpret the constitution when it comes to stuff like this. The fact is that their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it. If those fellows were (wrongly) asked to leave and they refused to comply they were tresspassing. And the cops enforced that law. How many other rights do ya'll want to leave up to the interpretation of the cops? How about we just let them do their own interpretation of the fourth amendment and search anybody they damn well please? Cant have it both ways. The courts will sort this out and hopefully justice will be served to the racist coffee shop owners.

[David Dennison 18860]

1 minute ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

It's funny how many people want the cops to interpret the constitution when it comes to stuff like this. The fact is that their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it. If those fellows were (wrongly) asked to leave and they refused to comply they were tresspassing. And the cops enforced that law. How many other rights do ya'll want to leave up to the interpretation of the cops? How about we just let them do their own interpretation of the fourth amendment and search anybody they damn well please? Cant have it both ways. The courts will sort this out and hopefully justice will be served to the racist coffee shop owners.

Selective enforcement of laws based on the race of the alleged violator is the problem. That happens way too often in this country.

[DougO 5250]

Starbuck's likes their customer base like they like their coffee...full of creamy white stuff.

[TwiceHorn 31484]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Why buy a drink they don't want? White customers there report not being asked to buy anything, so why the fuck should they buy something? Why do some of you people think the onus is on blacks to fix or accommodate white racism?

They should not have bought a damned thing and waited for their friend peacefully, just as they did. Then they went along with the fucking white supremacy gestapo peacefully. And were released without charge because they did nothing wrong.

The cops were garbage here, pure and simple.

"They did their jobs" is the most pathetic example of statist boot-licking imaginable reinforcing the sad truth that cops exist to be state enforcers of white, rich violence.

Actually, in most jurisdictions, you don't have to do anything "wrong" to trespass, just remain on the premises after the owner asks you to leave. The owner doesn't have to have a valid reason. 

 

I'm don't think trespass alone merits a custodial arrest or even a ticket if nothing else happens. From the article, the only reason they were let go was someone at Starbucks came to their senses. 

 

This is just a cavalcade of racist stupidity set off by whoever at Starbucks lodged the complaint.

As mentioned above, the best cop response would have been to tell management they were there on the trespass complaint, the offenders are minding their business waiting for a friend but if they really want they will make an arrest.  But they went respect my authoritah instead. And made their department and city look bad in the process. 

 

I don't see too many other ways to handle it given trespass law. 

[DougO 5250]

They're doing it wrong. They could have cleared these loiterers out with a simple impromptu poetry reading.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

14 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Selective enforcement of laws based on the race of the alleged violator is the problem. That happens way too often in this country.

Once you are asked to leave and refuse you are tresspassing. How were the cops practicing selective enforcement of the law? Are you saying that this Starbucks asks everyone who doesn't immediately order a drink to leave? Or are you claiming that the cops only walk out colored folks in handcuffs after they've refused to leave when asked? Unless you are claiming the latter, I don't see how the cops are selectively enforcing the law. They seem to be enforcing it to the letter. The shop owner or manager seems to be the one who doesn't understand how the civil rights act works or why it was even necessary in the first place.

Edited April 15, 2018 by NotActuallyALonghorn

[Brian Fantana 6689]

The DA disagrees that they were trespassing.

[Gatorubet 30241]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Once you are asked to leave and refuse you are tresspassing. How were the cops practicing selective enforcement of the law? Are you saying that this Starbucks asks everyone who doesn't immediately order a drink to leave? Or are you claiming that the cops only walk out colored folks in handcuffs after they've refused to leave when asked? Unless you are claiming the latter, I don't see how the cops are selectively enforcing the law. They seem to be enforcing it to the letter. The shop owner or manager seems to be the one who doesn't understand how the civil rights act works or why it was even necessary in the first place.

What part of the white folks not having to buy a drink and not getting kicked out did you miss?

[Gatorubet 30241]

On 4/14/2018 at 4:23 PM, JimmyJames said:

Or how about we just not call and involve the freaking cops and just let it slide and then it never hits the net. Had they been coming in and sitting there every damn day? People loiter around Starbucks all the fucking time.  Calling the cops for that is ridiculous. 

Well, they were black. What were they doing with the money not spent on lattes - if not conspiring to buy drugs later?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

What part of the white folks not having to buy a drink and not getting kicked out did you miss?

What does that have to do with law enforcement's duty to enforce tresspass law when requested by the owner or manager of a business? Obviously these folks were discriminated against, but some folks here seem to want the police to serve in place of the courts when it comes to certain things. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

What does that have to do with law enforcement's duty to enforce tresspass law when requested by the owner or manager of a business? Obviously these folks were discriminated against, but some folks here seem to want the police to serve in place of the courts when it comes to certain things. 

Cause Starbucks would neeeeever be racist... They're from Portland for gods sake.

[Landomatic 3813]

One fail-safe way to solve any argument...

Wait until @Gatorubet weighs in and whatever side he’s on, take the opposite stance.

[David Dennison 18860]

 

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Once you are asked to leave and refuse you are tresspassing. How were the cops practicing selective enforcement of the law? Are you saying that this Starbucks asks everyone who doesn't immediately order a drink to leave? Or are you claiming that the cops only walk out colored folks in handcuffs after they've refused to leave when asked? Unless you are claiming the latter, I don't see how the cops are selectively enforcing the law. They seem to be enforcing it to the letter. The shop owner or manager seems to be the one who doesn't understand how the civil rights act works or why it was even necessary in the first place.

I'm saying that law enforcement doesn't always enforce the law, especially when the alleged law breaker is white. Things tend to get more "letter of the law" when alleged law breakers are non-white. That's just the way it is in America.

[Gatorubet 30241]

9 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

What does that have to do with law enforcement's duty to enforce tresspass law when requested by the owner or manager of a business? Obviously these folks were discriminated against, but some folks here seem to want the police to serve in place of the courts when it comes to certain things. 

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How were the cops practicing selective enforcement of the law?

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What part of the white folks not having to buy a drink and not getting kicked out did you miss?

 

  It is classic selective enforcement of the law.  You seem to struggling with with this concept despite your bold language above.  I can't tell why.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

 

I'm saying that law enforcement doesn't always enforce the law, especially when the alleged law breaker is white. Things tend to get more "letter of the law" when alleged law breakers are non-white. That's just the way it is in America.

Quoted for truth

[Gatorubet 30241]

8 minutes ago, Landomatic said:

One fail-safe way to solve any argument...

Wait until @Gatorubet weighs in and whatever side he’s on, take the opposite stance.

You need to quit jogging and go eat something.

[Anastasis 23472]

Starbucks needs to catch the wrath on this one. The cops should have just walked the guys outside. No need to run them. Corporate coffee did this.

[RDCanecutter 26446]

They probably got better coffee at the cop shop.

[EastTexan 662]

On April 14, 2018 at 2:34 PM, David Dennison said:

I wonder who gets more "commands."

 

Probably the ones that don't do what they are asked to do.

[Patrick Bateman 3916]

54 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Cause Starbucks would neeeeever be racist... They're from Portland for gods sake.

Seattle actually.....

Interested to see how much this affects their stock price....

 

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Seattle actually.....

Interested to see how much this affects their stock price....

 

 

Thanks,  I knew it was one of those Pacific Northwest enclaves.  I'd be surprised if it sees a bump.  Coffee drinkers are loyal to their pushers.... errrr baristas....

[TwiceHorn 31484]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

The DA disagrees that they were trespassing.

Actually no, every article I read that addressed it said they were released after Starbucks further declined to press charges.  Not that it changes much.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.035.003.000..HTM

Trespass is an offense and tort that doesn't admit much or any nuance.  If you are there without the owners permission or remain after being asked to leave, that is an offense.  Period.  It is a minor offense and no one should typically go to the clink over it.

The cops had, I believe, four options.  A) ignore the complaint entirely, B) ask management if they really wanted to boot these peaceful folks C) run em out, but do nothing or give them a ticket after that or D) what they did.  Or I guess there's the Bull Connor option, too.  But yeah it was not a good example of community policing.

Edited April 15, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Actually no, every article I read that addressed it said they were released after Starbucks further declined to press charges.  Not that it changes much.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.035.003.000..HTM

Trespass is an offense and tort that doesn't admit much or any nuance.  If you are there without the owners permission or remain after being asked to leave, that is an offense.  Period.  It is a minor offense and no one should typically go to the clink over it.

The cops had, I believe, four options.  A) ignore the complaint entirely, B) ask management if they really wanted to boot these peaceful folks C) run em out, but do nothing or give them a ticket after that or D) what they did.  Or I guess there's the Bull Connor option, too.  But yeah it was not a good example of community policing.

I'd give 'em an F for choosing option D.

[Chooky 13307]

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

55 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 

  It is classic selective enforcement of the law.  You seem to struggling with with this concept despite your bold language above.  I can't tell why.

I have said all along that this is on Starbucks, or the manager more specifically. It's possible for the police to do their job and the manager of the coffee shop to be the POS in this instance. I will agree that the cops should have done nothing more than escort them outside. They probably went overboard by taking them in. If instead the cops were escorting out Christians who were passing out tracts or just talking to people about their faith I would feel the same way. I don't want cops to make the decision on whether or not anybody is being sufficiently tolerant when enforcing tresspassing law against people who have been asked to leave and refuse. I do want racist store managers/owners/POSes to suffer the consequences for their actions in both civil court and the court of public opinion.

[Chooky 13307]

Wrong thread.  I don't know how to delete.  I don't think you can.  I blame this on black people.

[EastTexan 662]

On April 14, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Anastasis said:

Sorry you don't spanish at the taco truck, bro. 

 

Good one.

[EastTexan 662]

8 hours ago, David Dennison said:

As a former Republican, it never ceases to amaze me how many white Republicans don't realize that they support the party of state sponsored white, rich violence.

 

Such bull shit. 

 But according to many, the Starbucks mgr was for sure a Republican.

 

 

[bad_teammate 13196]

 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Starbucks needs to catch the wrath on this one. The cops should have just walked the guys outside. No need to run them. Corporate coffee did this.

Yep.

I'll say it again:

Two things that suck

- Cops

- Starbucks

[Sawbonz 27565]

I have a hard time believing a Starbucks manager would be anything other than a democrat. That being said Philly is the kind of place, like Boston, where one can be a democrat and want never to have to interact with any brown people if at all possible 

[Sawbonz 27565]

56 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Wrong thread.  I don't know how to delete.  I don't think you can.  I blame this on black people.

Since it’s basically poncho’s fault we’re not all still on hornfans this is true

[David Dennison 18860]

26 minutes ago, EastTexan said:

 

Such bull shit. 

 But according to many, the Starbucks mgr was for sure a Republican.

 

 

Oh, so the GOP isn't the law and order party?

[Brian Fantana 6689]

15 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I have a hard time believing a Starbucks manager would be anything other than a democrat. That being said Philly is the kind of place, like Boston, where one can be a democrat and want never to have to interact with any brown people if at all possible 

Northern racism is of the passive aggressive type so you might not be wrong. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

14 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Northern racism is of the passive aggressive type so you might not be wrong. 

Might be wrong ?

[Brian Fantana 6689]

Dude.

[EastTexan 662]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Oh, so the GOP isn't the law and order party?

 

Would be be a hell of a mess, if not for law and order. No?

 

[David Dennison 18860]

10 minutes ago, EastTexan said:

 

Would be be a hell of a mess, if not for law and order. No?

 

Especially if that law and order is enforced selectively.

[F250 28777]

A couple of years ago I was at the Starbucks in downtown San Antonio. There were two attractive college age white females sitting at a table adjacent to mine. My table was next to the glass window just off the sidewalk of a major thoroughfare. A couple tables away from me there was a 6'4 black transvestite sitting with some guy that looked like Jeremiah Johnson.

As I am drinking my coffee and looking out the window, I see "Hispanic Elvis" riding his bike down the street. A moment later, a Mexican dwarf that looks like Cha-ka from land of the lost walks walks directly up to the window and furiously pounds on the glass. Cha-ka's eyes are locked on the two girls next to me. He starts pointing at them as he begins to hump the glass. Cha-ka is grunting as if he is really having sex and never breaks his stare from the girls. Cha-ka French kisses the glass window. Shit's getting weird.

Out of nowhere the 6'4 black transvestite stands up and yells, "someone took my fucking hair pick!" she looks at Jeremiah Johnson and demands her hair pick. Jeremiah mumbles something as she is yelling threats to anyone who might have taken her hair pick.

Meanwhile, Cha-ka is still pointing and window humping.  At this point, I am dying from laughter due to the absurdity. I standup and bang on the window but Cha-ka is unphased. Jackie Brown storms out of Starbucks still pissed her hair pick is missing and just like that the little gremlin vanished off of the sidewalk. I standup still laughing and drop a couple of dollars in the tip jar. Where I state to all who will listen, "You will never find this kind of entertainment in the suburbs. That was awesome."

No minorities were harmed nor were the police involved.

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Especially if that law and order is enforced selectively.

Tresspass is being on the property of another without permission. States have different standards for whether or not the owner or the trespassers have the burden of the knowledge of tresspassing (in Texas there have to be signs posted, purple paint, fences, row crop agriculture, or some sort of verbal or written notification. Some states say the potential trespassers must show proof they are allowed on the property regardless of any notification from the landowner). Every state pretty much says that once a person has been asked to leave and they refuse they are guilty of tresspassing. There was no selective enforcement of this law in this case other than the guys being taken to the station and released instead of being simply escorted off the property (what should have happened). No amount of civil rights law supersedes this. Yes, the shop owner was most likely racist, but that has no bearing on whether these men legally committed tresspass or whether the police were justified in at least escorting them off the premises. The problem is not selective enforcement of the law by the police (other than maybe what I have already mentioned) but selective application of it by the manager.

[DanRydell 799]

I did a stint in the Juvenile Public Defender's office after law school. Some were genuinely bad kids who did fucked up shit but I mostly saw scores of kids of color in chains, spending days if not longer in lockup for the same type of shit that I got picked up for as a kid. The difference was the four times my white ass landed in the back of the police car, I was taken home, not to juvie. I was also never once put in cuffs.

[Gatorubet 30241]

20 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Tresspass is being on the property of another without permission. States have different standards for whether or not the owner or the trespassers have the burden of the knowledge of tresspassing (in Texas there have to be signs posted, purple paint, fences, row crop agriculture, or some sort of verbal or written notification. Some states say the potential trespassers must show proof they are allowed on the property regardless of any notification from the landowner). Every state pretty much says that once a person has been asked to leave and they refuse they are guilty of tresspassing. There was no selective enforcement of this law in this case other than the guys being taken to the station and released instead of being simply escorted off the property (what should have happened). No amount of civil rights law supersedes this. Yes, the shop owner was most likely racist, but that has no bearing on whether these men legally committed tresspass or whether the police were justified in at least escorting them off the premises. The problem is not selective enforcement of the law by the police (other than maybe what I have already mentioned) but selective application of it by the manager.

And you still don't get selective enforcement .  Nobody gives a shit about the manager.  He does not possess the power of the State to forcibly arrest some dude wanting to use the bathroom.  The Cops did.  The waiting dudes could piss on the wall, and illegal or not, the manager has no say about the decision to arrest.   That is possessed by the people who have the power to arrest.    The discretion to arrest is not exercised by the manager.   He can ask and demand till he turns blue.  Only the Cops can make that idiotic decision.   You might as well demand that a jaywalker be arrested, and cite some Texas statute.  It won't make any difference.  The Cop can arrest me or not, no matter what the Google just told you the law is.  

[Mojo Hand 4580]

15 minutes ago, DanRydell said:

I did a stint in the Juvenile Public Defender's office after law school. Some were genuinely bad kids who did fucked up shit but I mostly saw scores of kids of color in chains, spending days if not longer in lockup for the same type of shit that I got picked up for as a kid. The difference was the four times my white ass landed in the back of the police car, I was taken home, not to juvie. I was also never once put in cuffs.

Exactly.  It's incredible how this can be explained over and over again in different ways and some people will still not even acknowledge the possibility that cops don't enforce the same laws evenhandedly.   

[Brian Fantana 6689]

51 minutes ago, F250 said:

A couple of years ago I was at the Starbucks in downtown San Antonio. There were two attractive college age white females sitting at a table adjacent to mine. My table was next to the glass window just off the sidewalk of a major thoroughfare. A couple tables away from me there was a 6'4 black transvestite sitting with some guy that looked like Jeremiah Johnson.

As I am drinking my coffee and looking out the window, I see "Hispanic Elvis" riding his bike down the street. A moment later, a Mexican dwarf that looks like Cha-ka from land of the lost walks walks directly up to the window and furiously pounds on the glass. Cha-ka's eyes are locked on the two girls next to me. He starts pointing at them as he begins to hump the glass. Cha-ka is grunting as if he is really having sex and never breaks his stare from the girls. Cha-ka French kisses the glass window. Shit's getting weird.

Out of nowhere the 6'4 black transvestite stands up and yells, "someone took my fucking hair pick!" she looks at Jeremiah Johnson and demands her hair pick. Jeremiah mumbles something as she is yelling threats to anyone who might have taken her hair pick.

Meanwhile, Cha-ka is still pointing and window humping.  At this point, I am dying from laughter due to the absurdity. I standup and bang on the window but Cha-ka is unphased. Jackie Brown storms out of Starbucks still pissed her hair pick is missing and just like that the little gremlin vanished off of the sidewalk. I standup still laughing and drop a couple of dollars in the tip jar. Where I state to all who will listen, "You will never find this kind of entertainment in the suburbs. That was awesome."

No minorities were harmed nor were the police involved.

 

If that shit happened in Boston there would be literal riots

[DougO 5250]

Is they some kinda coffee only black people like?

 

 

[Gatorubet 30241]

28 minutes ago, DougO said:

Is they some kinda coffee only black people like?

 

 

[Falling Down 25]

1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

Exactly.  It's incredible how this can be explained over and over again in different ways and some people will still not even acknowledge the possibility that cops don't enforce the same laws evenhandedly.   

Welcome to President Trump's world you dumb mother fuckers

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Cops definitely should have told the guys sorry the manager says you're loitering so ya gotta leave, so yeah selective color dependent policing the you arrest someone for loitering.  

The manager was the first dildo here though.  He could have easily said hey guys we're busy and you're not ordering anything. Please have a cup of coffee or give up your seats to people who have purchased stuff.  End of issue.  

To say race didn't play a role is to be an idiot like the manager and the cops.