Minneapolis Cop Murders A Black Man

[Pato del Muerto 52314]

38 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Are going to relax gun laws now? If the police are going to be shrunken, that means answers to the calls will also be longer and longer. The first defense between you and an intruder is a gun by your side, but most big cities have very strict gun laws which hurt the whole community. 

How many crimes do responding officers actually stop or prevent as is?  They show up after the fact, or show up and shoot the homeowner and the dog because everything that moves is a threat. 
 

when seconds count, the cops are minutes away. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[BabaYaga 15201]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Better screening of the calls. 

I get the intent here, but again, unpack this?  How?  You have more than likely a hysterical person on the line that we are going dive into?  One of the biggest issues with LE's and crime are response times.  The 2A crew likes to throw around an average response time of 10+ minutes.....which is a break in, is an eternity and you are 100% dead if (the intruder) that want you to be.  Most precincts have dedicated specialists for certain situations like hostages, etc.  

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

An urgent call of "he's trying to kill me!" won't matter if it's an intruder or a mentally ill adult child -- law enforcement should respond.

Another factor is matching the call to the actual scenario.  The caller can say all they want, but what about sending unprepared "specialists" into a hot zone they themselves are not trained to operate in.  So are we aligning LEs together?  Again, if they are coming from a central dispatch office, it's too late.  I''m guessing for the vast majority of calls, they need to already be in the field in order to respond in time. 

If we are emboldening the social services side of the house to better deal with scenarios inside their wheelhouse, that is another conversation worth having.  

[BabaYaga 15201]

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How many crimes do responding officers actually stop or prevent as is?  They show up after the fact, or show up and shoot the homeowner and the dog because everything that moves is a threat. 
 

when seconds count, the cops are minutes away. 

Which is only going to exacerbated I fear.  

[Pato del Muerto 52314]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Which is only going to exacerbated I fear.  

Who cares if they show up 3 minutes too late to help or 10 minutes too late?  They also have gone to court to ensure that they have no duty to help even if they arrive in time. So why put faith in that?

[BradInATX 9208]

7 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I get the intent here, but again, unpack this?  How?  You have more than likely a hysterical person on the line that we are going dive into?  One of the biggest issues with LE's and crime are response times.  The 2A crew likes to throw around an average response time of 10+ minutes.....which is a break in, is an eternity and you are 100% dead if (the intruder) that want you to be.  Most precincts have dedicated specialists for certain situations like hostages, etc.  

Another factor is matching the call to the actual scenario.  The caller can say all they want, but what about sending unprepared "specialists" into a hot zone they themselves are not trained to operate in.  So are we aligning LEs together?  Again, if they are coming from a central dispatch office, it's too late.  I''m guessing for the vast majority of calls, they need to already be in the field in order to respond in time. 

If we are emboldening the social services side of the house to better deal with scenarios inside their wheelhouse, that is another conversation worth having.  

All of the answers to your questions can be found with a little research. This style of policing has been done, successfully, already in our country. Community policing is a proven method, not some novel new untested concept. The fact that you are treating it as such shows that you haven't done your homework on this issue, or that you are being willfully ignorant to win an argument.

Edited June 8, 2020 by BradInATX

[VABuckeye 2472]

32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

screwdrivers out on screwdriver calls

So what happens when that screwdriver call turns into a hammer call (it happens) and we end up with a dead responder?  Just asking a question.

[BabaYaga 15201]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Who cares if they show up 3 minutes too late to help or 10 minutes too late?  They also have gone to court to ensure that they have no duty to help even if they arrive in time. So why put faith in that?

This is where I think you get the most traction.  Allow the precincts to cull bad actors from their ranks.  Hold them accountable and jettison shitty Les like the twat with 18 prior incidents?  Unions?   

Going after police unions won't do anything unless you change civil service laws. Cops will still be able to sue to get their jobs back. Cops typically pay into a legal defense fund in exchange for legal representation. Sometime these funds are though the union sometimes they're not.

New Orleans is the perfect example of this. No police union, yet still a long history of police misconduct and fired officers getting rehired with back pay by the civil service board.

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46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

When I call 911 at 1:00 am because A COYOTE climbed up a spiral staircase and is trying to jimmy open my door, I should have a cop dispatched today, and in future Austin with "defunded police."  Those police will be focused exclusively on calls regarding actual crime/serious risks of crime.

FIFY

[BabaYaga 15201]

3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

All of the answers to your questions can be found with a little research. This style of policing has been done, successfully, already in our country. Community policing is a proven method, not some novel new untested concept. The fact that you are treating it as such shows that you haven't done your homework on this issue, or that you are being willfully ignorant to win an argument.

This isn't about community policing, which we all know about focusing on organization outreach and shared problem solving & partnerships - this is about entirely new categories of LE.  One of the biggest issues with community policing was asking the LEs to do even more for many already stretched areas, which gets us back to funding.  

[Brisketexan 104436]

6 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

So what happens when that screwdriver call turns into a hammer call (it happens) and we end up with a dead responder?  Just asking a question.

You realize that we have medical personnel dealing with dangerous people all the time, right?  Go to a major metro ER on a Saturday night sometime.  They manage to do so with very few of them being seriously injured or dying (although that DOES happen).

And your scenario WILL happen.  Nothing can be made perfect.  But we give them defensive tools.  First and foremost, the skills to evaluate a situation and determine if police assistance is appropriate.  Second, we can give them basic protective equipment like vests and whatnot, and we can even give certain of them nonlethal means of subduing a threat (tasers, pepper spray, etc.).  And again, the culture in training to use (or more appropriately, avoid the use of) those mechanisms of nonlethal defense.

Indeed, some calls include both a mental health professional and a cop in the background.  But the lead on the scene is the mental health specialist.  Fro the 100th time, there are a lot of examples, pilot programs, etc. out there.  What is being proposed is not unprecedented -- only the scale of it is.

 

[dcar00 14023]

13 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

So what happens when that screwdriver call turns into a hammer call (it happens) and we end up with a dead responder?  Just asking a question.

riots....wait, never mind.

[Brisketexan 104436]

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This isn't about community policing, which we all know about focusing on organization outreach and shared problem solving & partnerships - this is about entirely new categories of LE.  One of the biggest issues with community policing was asking the LEs to do even more for many already stretched areas, which gets us back to funding.  

For the 100th time, no.  Different types of hammers are still hammers.  This is about entirely new categories of agents of local governments.  Stop thinking of them all as different types of cops.  The whole point is that most of these are NOT cops.  We have EMTs (who are not cops).  We have firemen (who are not cops).  We will have mental health intervention specialists (who are not cops).  We will have basic traffic law enforcement (who are not cops).  Etc. etc.  You are so stuck in a singular rut, thinking that all local gov't agents who interface with the public on any matter that the cops currently do will still be cops.  No, they won't be.  That's a huge part of this approach -- having people deal with "not cops" much more often.

[Hank Scorpio 17710]

 

[BradInATX 9208]

9 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This isn't about community policing, which we all know about focusing on organization outreach and shared problem solving & partnerships - this is about entirely new categories of LE. 

This is part of the majority of community policing efforts in most of the places that have done it already.

And in more than one of those places, the total spend of the police department is lower than before, even with increased headcount.

Like I said, the answers to all of your "concerns" are out there, should you legitimately want to research them instead of making disingenuous arguments on a message board.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

I recall reading lots of comments from police previously in regards to them being asked to do too much, resulting in them being put in situations for which they didn't have the training or resources to help with. It was an explanation for the bad outcomes that resulted...usually them beating the shit out of or killing people/animals.

Now, communities appear to be recognizing that problem and devising a plan to make sure resources are properly deployed to deal with various scenarios, and hopefully reducing their reliance on police officers to deal with situations they have no business dealing with (according to them).

So now, @BabaYaga and other cops (I'm guessing he's a cop?) are fighting tooth and nail to make sure that doesn't happen. That's weird.

Edited June 8, 2020 by DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt

[BabaYaga 15201]

20 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

So what happens when that screwdriver call turns into a hammer call (it happens) and we end up with a dead responder?  Just asking a question.

Yep.  It's so easy on paper to carve up these nice, neat little departments that we hope can filter down to the myriad of response types and respond to a given situation within an effective period of time.  

 

[Brisketexan 104436]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  It's so easy on paper to carve up these nice, neat little departments that we hope can filter down to the myriad of response types and respond to a given situation within an effective period of time.  

 

Got it.  If we can't achieve perfection, we should stick with the [checks notes] wild imperfection we already have.

It won't be perfect.  Shit, sometimes EMS shows up to a call and needs to back out and call the cops for backup.  That's today, under our current system.  It will happen in the future as well.

And not all of those "neat little departments" will need to respond to calls as emergency-based as calls for police should be.  And part of the screening CAN be immediacy -- if my adult kid is losing his shit and I call for mental health help, part of the call screening should include questions about how soon a response is needed.

Nothing is easy.  Nothing is perfect.  Nobody pretends it is or will be.  We simply stand on the wild and wacky ground that when our primary government response entity is a bunch of hammers, we're going to see a shitload of hammers driving nails, and we all know that many of the things these hammers respond to don't need a hammer.

Nevermind taking away a huge hunk of what they waste their time on when we end the war on drugs.

[BabaYaga 15201]

9 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I recall reading lots of comments from police previously in regards to them being asked to do too much, resulting in them being put in situations for which they didn't have the training or resources to help with. It was an explanation for the bad outcomes that resulted...usually them beating the shit out of or killing people/animals.

Now, communities appear to be recognizing that problem a devising a plan to make sure resources are properly deployed to deal with various scenarios, and hopefully reducing their reliance on police officers to deal with situations they have no business dealing with (according to them).

So now, @BabaYaga and other cops (I'm guessing he's a cop?) are fighting tooth and nail to make sure that doesn't happen. That's weird.

This is absolutely not the case.  I'm questioning the efficacy of defunding precincts  vs looking at other structural changes that allow the police to better shed and hold accountable their bad actors.  Already mentioned are the removal or immunity clauses, no-knock raids, civil service laws, etc.  Nor am I saying new categories are a bad thing - but I'm asking to see the logistics of this unpacked?  I know so many communities are asking for MORE police presence, not less.

Now MN has announced a complete disbanding of the police department.  I wonder in the interim what this is going to do to crime rates in the most impacted parts of the city.  That, again, is the point.  

[workswithseed 2032]

54 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How many crimes do responding officers actually stop or prevent as is?  They show up after the fact, or show up and shoot the homeowner and the dog because everything that moves is a threat. 
 

when seconds count, the cops are minutes away. 

So no, laws on guns shouldn't be laxed where people can defend themselves.

[Huckleberry 32682]

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

So no, laws on guns shouldn't be laxed where people can defend themselves.

"We have to keep our guns because you can't count on the police!" has been the cry for decades. 

Suddenly and rapidly it's now "but without the police whom we count on we will need to keep our guns!"

If I didn't know any better it would almost seem like a whole bunch of disingenuous grandstanding. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Huckleberry

[BradInATX 9208]

10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This is absolutely not the case.  I'm questioning the efficacy of defunding precincts  vs looking at other structural changes that allow the police to better shed and hold accountable their bad actors. 

LOL at letting the corrupt police departments police themselves. Good grief.

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Already mentioned are the removal or immunity clauses, no-knock raids, civil service laws, etc. 

That is going to happen too

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Nor am I saying new categories are a bad thing - but I'm asking to see the logistics of this unpacked?  I know so many communities are asking for MORE police presence, not less.

You can easily find the answers to your questions with 2 minutes of googling. And community policing typically leads to an increased headcount, so the people who want more police will get what they want.

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Now MN has announced a complete disbanding of the police department.  I wonder in the interim what this is going to do to crime rates in the most impacted parts of the city.  That, again, is the point.  

You think they're just going to #YOLO it and go for awhile without any police presence? Get out of here - you are being disingenuous. Again, if you want to understand what the interim will look like, then look no further than cities like Camden who have already done the exact same thing Minneapolis is going to do. Literally there are answers to every single "question" you're posing if you really want to try to understand the subject matter. But my suspicion is you aren't actually interested in the answers to your concerns.

Edited June 8, 2020 by BradInATX

[workswithseed 2032]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

"We have to keep our guns because you can't count on the police!" has been the cry for decades. 

Suddenly and rapidly it's now "but without the police whom we count on we will need to keep our guns!"

If I didn't know any better it would almost seem like a whole bunch of disingenuous grandstanding. 

How? It's government who controls what the police does. Here the police is lessened, cool. Now let us protect our life, and property that the government is doing less to do something about. 

I'm sorry you don't like people owning guns to do that, but I want more freedom not less.

[Brisketexan 104436]

8 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Now let us protect our life, and property that the government is doing less to do something about. 

What if we had the police focus on the "protect our life and property" work, and let other agents of the government worry about the NOT "protect our life and property" work?  Which is exactly what most of us are suggesting.  Not less of the cops working on "protect life and property," but rather to make that their primary focus, and shift many other interactions away from armed police intervention.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

8 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Now MN has announced a complete disbanding of the police department.  I wonder in the interim what this is going to do to crime rates in the most impacted parts of the city.  That, again, is the point.  

As you work to try and figure out what impact disbanding a police department is going to have on a city, it's worth pointing out that the city in question is currently a burning heap of ash because of universal outrage at that police department.

how much worse can it get?

[Brisketexan 104436]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

As you work to try and figure out what impact disbanding a police department is going to have on a city, it's worth pointing out that the city in question is currently a burning heap of ash because of universal outrage at that police department.

how much worse can it get?

And the response of that police department to justified community outrage.....was to repeatedly drive through the city spraying pepper spray at peaceful people out the windows, shooting people standing on their own porch with rubber bullets, etc.  Tell me what's worth saving in that particular institution?

[hobbes2702 12771]

48 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  It's so easy on paper to carve up these nice, neat little departments that we hope can filter down to the myriad of response types and respond to a given situation within an effective period of time.  

 

This already happens. For fucks sake dude do some fucking research.

[hobbes2702 12771]

35 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This is absolutely not the case.  I'm questioning the efficacy of defunding precincts  vs looking at other structural changes that allow the police to better shed and hold accountable their bad actors.  Already mentioned are the removal or immunity clauses, no-knock raids, civil service laws, etc.  Nor am I saying new categories are a bad thing - but I'm asking to see the logistics of this unpacked?  I know so many communities are asking for MORE police presence, not less.

Now MN has announced a complete disbanding of the police department.  I wonder in the interim what this is going to do to crime rates in the most impacted parts of the city.  That, again, is the point.  

If you had done research, which you have not, you would see that MPD is not simply disappearing. The police chief is actively working with the city council and the community to devise their plan for a new type of law enforcement in their city. 

[Guest Lobo]

What if the Timberwolves win the NBA Championship and there's no police to protect the city from riots in a few months?  Or the Minnesota Wild win the Stanley Cub?  

I mean, yeah sure...it's a long shot.  

[BabaYaga 15201]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

If you had done research, which you have not, you would see that MPD is not simply disappearing. The police chief is actively working with the city council and the community to devise their plan for a new type of law enforcement in their city. 

Hey you cunty little twat, I didn't say they were razing the entire fucking thing.  I stated they are disbanding.  They are.  Then I posed the question what this might do to interim crime rates in the areas most negatively impacted by violent, recurring crime.  

[Captainant 27283]

so wait, is BabaYaga a cop? He sure gets angry when anyone even slightly challenges him.

[BabaYaga 15201]

Just now, Captainant said:

so wait, is BabaYaga a cop? He sure gets angry when anyone even slightly challenges him.

LOl, not even close.....but I"m sure this rumor will gain legs soon enough.  

[hobbes2702 12771]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Hey you cunty little twat, I didn't say they were razing the entire fucking thing.  I stated they are disbanding.  They are.  Then I posed the question what this might do to interim crime rates in the areas most negatively impacted by violent, recurring crime.  

No you simply are ignoring the information available to you which is why you look like a jackass in this thread. You are choosing to be ignorant. It won’t impact on those areas because nothing is changing today. Which you would know if you had taken anytime to research any of this. But you didn’t.

Edited June 8, 2020 by hobbes2702

[Dahobbs 17420]

6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

If you had done research, which you have not, you would see that MPD is not simply disappearing. The police chief is actively working with the city council and the community to devise their plan for a new type of law enforcement in their city. 

I haven't followed that closely, but  disbanding the police department a legal tactic to let them reform a new entity without being bound by current contracts/unions? They've tried reformation like BabaYaga has suggested, but everything has been shot down due to the strange relationship between the city and its police department. I thought this allowed them to get around those legal issues.  

[workswithseed 2032]

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What if we had the police focus on the "protect our life and property" work, and let other agents of the government worry about the NOT "protect our life and property" work?  Which is exactly what most of us are suggesting.  Not less of the cops working on "protect life and property," but rather to make that their primary focus, and shift many other interactions away from armed police intervention.

Then I hope that means cops will be at the scene of a crime faster, but seeing how Baltimore is going I doubt it.

 

[hobbes2702 12771]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Then I hope that means cops will be at the scene of a crime faster, but seeing how Baltimore is going I doubt it.

 

Well maybe if the police in Baltimore actually did their job.

But as pointed out before causation and correlation are two different things.

[BabaYaga 15201]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

No you simply are ignoring the information available to you which is why you look like a jackass in this thread. You are choosing to be ignorant. It won’t impact on those areas because nothing is changing today. Which you would know if you had taken anytime to research any of this. But you didn’t.

Jesus you are a sanctimonious little ass.  I didn't say they were razing the department.  I didn't say they were changing today, tomorrow, or the next day - but they are going to enact sweeping changes across the entire department, which again, for the third time, calls into question the efficacy of the plan on the areas most impacted by crime.  

They are giving notice NOW that this is happening.  In the aftermath of mass destruction.  So until all this changes.....what do people do?  You've now engendered a lame-duck police force.  And the disparate part of the community suffers the most because of it.  City council members stating social workers responding to 911 calls at all hours of the night in some of the worst areas in the city is your solution?  Good luck with that happening.  

60+ officers have now given notice.

When they announced they were shutting down the cops, that was a clear message to anyone on the force, to start looking for a new job.

A company NEVER announces layoffs, until AFTER they've laid people off.

[hobbes2702 12771]

Right I’m sanctimonious because I’ve done the research and you simply continue blathering on about the same nonsense over and over.

Those cops that quit could have also done some research and realized they will be a big part of this new operation and should be working to secure their future in it as we speak. But they didn’t. They got mad about being performance managed and decided to quit. Cops who are staying should understand that if they do not do the work now, they won’t have a job. So I assume in the interim these police are going to do their job, probably more appropriately, so that they have a job under a new system.

And yea we don’t 100% know the efficacy of the new plan. But we have examples in this country and the world, we have studies, we have data. What we also have is the clear indication that the current system is massively broken and needs sweeping change. So here we are, trying something. Most indicators are that this will help both police and the community. I’m sure there will be problems as well. But minor steps won’t solve this problem. We’ve tried it. 
Also I believe what @Dahobbs said is correct and this is how they get around the police union, which you seem to hate, so you should be all for this plan.

Edited June 8, 2020 by hobbes2702

[Brisketexan 104436]

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Jesus you are a sanctimonious little ass.  I didn't say they were razing the department.  I didn't say they were changing today, tomorrow, or the next day - but they are going to enact sweeping changes across the entire department, which again, for the third time, calls into question the efficacy of the plan on the areas most impacted by crime.  

They are giving notice NOW that this is happening.  In the aftermath of mass destruction.  So until all this changes.....what do people do?  You've now engendered a lame-duck police force.  And the disparate part of the community suffers the most because of it.  City council members stating social workers responding to 911 calls at all hours of the night in some of the worst areas in the city is your solution?  Good luck with that happening.  

60+ officers have now given notice.

When they announced they were shutting down the cops, that was a clear message to anyone on the force, to start looking for a new job.

A company NEVER announces layoffs, until AFTER they've laid people off.

Yes.  I would think that retaining a force that joyrides around pepper spraying people on the street and shooting them on their own porch even AFTER being given clear notice they are on thin ice is perhaps not the most sound approach.  Make no mistake, Minneapolis is in a pickle.  There are no good answers in the immediate term.  And that is EXACTLY how the police department wants it.  This their leverage, which they have abused for decades, and will abuse till its dying day.

When you're with a violent spouse, sometimes the right answer is to GTFO with just the clothes on your back.  Sure, it's bad -- you don't know where your next meal will come from, where you will stay, all that shit.  But that shitshow is still better than staying with a psychopathic wife-beater.  The city of Minneapolis is ending an abusive, psychopathic relationship.  The breakup will not be pretty.  But staying in that relationship is no longer a viable option.

[BabaYaga 15201]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Minneapolis is in a pickle.  There are no good answers in the immediate term.

No.  MN is a city.  It's the people that are going to suffer.  Specifically, the inner city demographics that face the most crime day in and day out.  They are going to suffer.  MN will remain a dot on a map.  That is what my entire concern has been from THREAD ONE on this.  I've said it over, and over, and over.  Apparently I've even become an officer on this thread.  

Yet the fact remains, I'm concerned MN is going to shit the bed on the transition part of this and bad actors are going to flourish.  No city council members will be held accountable.  Nor will anyone else, yet the people will suffer at a far greater rate than at the hands of LE.  If the city really wanted to facilitate change, it would start on the legislative front allowing the department to start with external oversight as I've brought up and a crumbling of the unions.  But they won't.  Any takers that the unions survive and restructuring?  

[dcar00 14023]

back to the topic...when are we going to get the body cam videos?

[workswithseed 2032]

30 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Well maybe if the police in Baltimore actually did their job.

But as pointed out before causation and correlation are two different things.

What, are they not answering calls? I don't understand what more do you want? 

[hobbes2702 12771]

Just now, workswithseed said:

What, are they not answering calls? I don't understand what more do you want? 

Your ignorance is showing.

[Brisketexan 104436]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

No.  MN is a city.  It's the people that are going to suffer.  Specifically, the inner city demographics that face the most crime day in and day out.  They are going to suffer.  MN will remain a dot on a map.  That is what my entire concern has been from THREAD ONE on this.  I've said it over, and over, and over.  Apparently I've even become an officer on this thread.  

Yet the fact remains, I'm concerned MN is going to shit the bed on the transition part of this and bad actors are going to flourish.  No city council members will be held accountable.  Nor will anyone else, yet the people will suffer at a far greater rate than at the hands of LE.  If the city really wanted to facilitate change, it would start on the legislative front allowing the department to start with external oversight as I've brought up and a crumbling of the unions.  But they won't.  Any takers that the unions survive and restructuring?  

Yes, they should just let themselves be held hostage by a psychotic police department instead. 

As I said, there IS NO GOOD PATH FORWARD in the near term.  There isn't.  It's either stay married to an abusive, psycho PD, or run out of the house into a world where you have much less protection.  Tomorrow will be scary.  But it's going to be like that no matter what.  This PD cannot be cured, it cannot be reformed.  It is irreparably broken.  If the local bad guys try to take advantage of the situation, then there are interim alternatives.  State Police can come in and perform some functions. If the bad guys get so out of hand, the National Guard can be activated to provide a protective presence.

But "oversight" of this psychotic abusive spouse is worthless at this point.  Rehabilitation is a waste of time.

[B00M 6268]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

No.  MN is a city. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

9 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

No.  MN is a city.  It's the people that are going to suffer.

on the bright side, there may be less tires slashed.

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Two law enforcement agencies acknowledged Monday that officers patrolling Minneapolis during the recent protests knifed the tires of numerous vehicles parked and unoccupied in at least two locations.

Video and photo images posted on the news outlet Mother Jones show officers in military-style uniforms puncturing tires in the Kmart parking lot at Lake Street and Nicollet Avenue on May 30.

Photos and video at S. Washington Avenue at Interstate 35W, also showed officers with knives puncturing the tires of two unoccupied cars with repeated jabs on May 31. Department of Public Safety spokesman Bruce Gordon acknowledged that the tires were cut.

oh no wait, it was a strategic tactic to protect and serve!

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“State Patrol troopers strategically deflated tires ... in order to stop behaviors such as vehicles driving dangerously and at high speeds in and around protesters and law enforcement,” he said.

Gordon said the patrol also targeted vehicles “that contained items used to cause harm during violent protests” such as rocks, concrete, sticks, etc.

“While not a typical tactic, vehicles were being used as dangerous weapons and inhibited our ability to clear areas and keep areas safe where violent protests were occurring,” he said.

Deputies from Anoka County followed orders to join the patrol and also cut the tires on vehicles on Washington Avenue, said Anoka County Sheriff’s Lt. Andy Knotz.

 

[workswithseed 2032]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Your ignorance is showing.

It's okay to say you don't want people to protect themselves if the police doesn't.

[B00M 6268]

Deflated is a pretty rosey spin on knifed. Well done PR team.

[Brisketexan 104436]

Just now, workswithseed said:

It's okay to say you don't want people to protect themselves if the police doesn't.

But what if.....and here's our radical idea.....that's what we started having the police do?  And do so in a focused, well-regulated way?  Imagine such a wacky world.

[BradInATX 9208]

I mean if one were legitimately concerned with the interim between current and future police forces in Minneapolis, they'd research how other cities have handled it; we have multiple examples of American cities doing this. The only reason someone would refuse to do that and continue arguing easily-discredited low-information stances is if they have no actual interest in learning or having a real conversation, and are basically just concern trolling.

"But what about the interim??"

Well, why don't you do a quick google search and see how other police departments have handled the interim in almost identical scenarios?

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INTERIM?!?!?!"

 

Come on, dude.

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by BradInATX

[Brisketexan 104436]

Just now, B00M said:

Deflated is a pretty rosey spin on knifed. Well done PR team.

I mean.....should we keep a list of the bullshit the MN PD did AFTER they knew the whole world was watching them because of their shittiness?

Pepper spraying at random out of moving cars, shooting people on their own porch, knifing car tires........shit, I might as well be describing "rioters" here, right?