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  On 6/13/2020 at 2:48 AM, Serak The Preparer said:

And there is still the completely cowardly lack of follow-through on thought. Ok, so you recognize that not all minorities are equally disadvantaged. You even recognize the Nigerian immigrants do better than US-born African Americans. But wait, if it's not systemic racism, then tell me, WHY is it they US-born African Americans are disadvantaged? Something in the culture, something in the genes, something else? If it is not systemic racism, please, I would love to hear the explanation. Is it really just the democratic party as the author suggests?

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I think the main reason Nigerians do better than African Americans as a whole is their adherence to the nuclear family. Every Nigerian doc I work with comes from a strong family that had high expectations for them. 
 

Now I know that many will say that the main reason for the deterioration of black families was the enforcement of the drug war and its ripple effects starting a long time ago. And that makes sense to me. I think criminal justice reform is vital.
 

But it makes this plank of the platform on the official BLM site look incredibly misguided. 
 

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

 

That shit is fucking retarded. 

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  On 6/13/2020 at 3:24 AM, GRHorn said:

I think the main reason Nigerians do better than African Americans as a whole is their adherence to the nuclear family. Every Nigerian doc I work with comes from a strong family that had high expectations for them. 
 

Now I know that many will say that the main reason for the deterioration of black families was the enforcement of the drug war and its ripple effects starting a long time ago. And that makes sense to me. I think criminal justice reform is vital.
 

But it makes this plank of the platform on the official BLM site look incredibly misguided. 
 

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”

 

That shit is fucking retarded. 

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You completely misunderstand what they're actually saying. They're rejecting the individualistic American nuclear family that pressures people to only care about their own immediate family to the detriment of the overall community. You know, a part of why we are where we are.

Here are the immediate two paragraphs above the one you quoted that gives the full context of what you misunderstood:

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We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 3:07 AM, GRHorn said:

Pseudonymous handle toting internet tough guy calls somebody a coward. 🙄

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Happy to meet face to face and call any Trump supporter a coward. Do better. And that's a general statement, not just pointed to this exact situation. 

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  On 6/13/2020 at 4:13 AM, SmokeyTheBear said:

Happy to meet face to face and call any Trump supporter a coward. Do better. And that's a general statement, not just pointed to this exact situation. 

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Dude is a straight up troll. His handle has a pic of his ridiculous disgusting dinner for Christ sakes. You would be better served arguing politics with your dishwasher.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 1:02 AM, GRHorn said:

FWIW I dont agree with everything in here.

Also, is it really a UCB professor? Impossible to know, but from having a family member that's a Professor at the University with similar political beliefs to myself, I can verify that the same atmosphere that only allows approved thought is present in Austin.  No surprise there.

https://medium.com/@soumynona_/anonymous-letter-from-uc-berkeley-professor-in-response-to-black-lives-matter-protests-24a66a6f1ca7

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dude just should’ve hit delete instead of send.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 3:07 AM, GRHorn said:

Pseudonymous handle toting internet tough guy calls somebody a coward. 🙄

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All Trump supporters are cowards and/or racists and/or idiots.

Is that clear enough for your cowardly ass?

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This doesn't pass the smell test: A 22 year-old BLM protestor was found hanged by a noose outside of City Hall in Palmdale, California.  City officials say it appears to be suicide.   However, he was wearing a backpack when he was found and his parents say he was a blessed, happy young man, as do fellow students from his high school etc...   I don't want to prejudge, but why would a young man wear a backpack and go to a public place to hang himself with a rope?


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/robert-fuller-palmdale-death-rally/2379558/?_osource=db_npd_nbc_knbc_twt_shr

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  On 6/13/2020 at 8:12 AM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This doesn't pass the smell test: A 22 year-old BLM protestor was found hanged by a noose outside of City Hall in Palmdale, California.  City officials say it appears to be suicide.   However, he was wearing a backpack when he was found and his parents say he was a blessed, happy young man, as do fellow students from his high school etc...   I don't want to prejudge, but why would a young man wear a backpack and go to a public place to hang himself with a rope?


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/robert-fuller-palmdale-death-rally/2379558/?_osource=db_npd_nbc_knbc_twt_shr

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That's terrible for that young man, and now his family that has to go on with this in their lives. Suicidal people are already off in their mental health so anything they do that would seem weird to a healthy person is just part, and parcel of their condition.

He could have been acting compulsively....... IF it was indeed suicide.  Who knows what thought process really goes on in the mind of someone contemplating suicide.

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I just want to point something out that was triggered by the post about the worst police brutality occurring in D-mayor cities.

The root problem underlying our defective police culture and many other aspects of the criminal justice system is the fear of the citizenry.  A fear that has been stoked or at least politically preyed upon by politicians of #bothsides for several decades. 

Doing something to "strengthen" police, or increase sentences, or create new crimes has been a very reliable way to pander to the citizenry for a long time.  By the same token, doing anything to weaken police, reduce sentences, or reduce the reach and punitiveness of the criminal justice system has been mostly an untouchable third rail politically, until pretty recently, and even then that is on thin ice.

Neither party has the political or philosophical high ground on these issues, from an historical standpoint.

Obviously, the right-wing R-types currently supporting the status quo are on the wrong side of this issue, but we got here through the derelictions of both parties.

The only reason I bring this up is that I frequently see "fear-based" reactions on this site to crime stories.  When I say "fear-based," I don't mean you're quaking in your shoes with pee running down your leg.  When you talk about vengeance, punishment, and especially deterrence, those are fear-based rationales, and not often the product of having thought through an issue.

So, check yourself before you wreck yourself.  Be on guard when any politician uses your fear-based responses.  This has implications outside of police and criminal justice reform, too.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 1:29 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I just want to point something out that was triggered by the post about the worst police brutality occurring in D-mayor cities.

The root problem underlying our defective police culture and many other aspects of the criminal justice system is the fear of the citizenry.  A fear that has been stoked or at least politically preyed upon by politicians of #bothsides for several decades. 

Doing something to "strengthen" police, or increase sentences, or create new crimes has been a very reliable way to pander to the citizenry for a long time.  By the same token, doing anything to weaken police, reduce sentences, or reduce the reach and punitiveness of the criminal justice system has been mostly an untouchable third rail politically, until pretty recently, and even then that is on thin ice.

Neither party has the political or philosophical high ground on these issues, from an historical standpoint.

Obviously, the right-wing R-types currently supporting the status quo are on the wrong side of this issue, but we got here through the derelictions of both parties.

The only reason I bring this up is that I frequently see "fear-based" reactions on this site to crime stories.  When I say "fear-based," I don't mean you're quaking in your shoes with pee running down your leg.  When you talk about vengeance, punishment, and especially deterrence, those are fear-based rationales, and not often the product of having thought through an issue.

So, check yourself before you wreck yourself.  Be on guard when any politician uses your fear-based responses.  This has implications outside of police and criminal justice reform, too.

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Forgot to put this in a more current frame.  Trump's Law & Order nonsense is a thinly veiled predation of voter fear.  So is the (mis)characterization of "defund" the police.

But don't kid yourself, stuff like that has been going on for a long time and it works like a charm, if you let it.  Try not to let it.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 4:02 AM, trauma babe said:

You completely misunderstand what they're actually saying. They're rejecting the individualistic American nuclear family that pressures people to only care about their own immediate family to the detriment of the overall community. You know, a part of why we are where we are.

Here are the immediate two paragraphs above the one you quoted that gives the full context of what you misunderstood:

 

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Do people really feel outside pressure to care for their family “to the detriment of the overall community”?  That shit is actually in our DNA for good reasons. 
 

As far as the impact of focusing on your family first, I’d submit that strong family units are more likely to produce strong, independent citizens that benefit the overall community.  

That plank of their platform is absolute nonsense. 

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Local Minneapolis folks gun up to protect their neighborhoods.  They look pretty well coordinated.  Jeremiah Ellison makes an appearance, and he acquits himself well. 

 

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  On 6/13/2020 at 1:29 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I just want to point something out that was triggered by the post about the worst police brutality occurring in D-mayor cities.

The root problem underlying our defective police culture and many other aspects of the criminal justice system is the fear of the citizenry.  A fear that has been stoked or at least politically preyed upon by politicians of #bothsides for several decades. 

Doing something to "strengthen" police, or increase sentences, or create new crimes has been a very reliable way to pander to the citizenry for a long time.  By the same token, doing anything to weaken police, reduce sentences, or reduce the reach and punitiveness of the criminal justice system has been mostly an untouchable third rail politically, until pretty recently, and even then that is on thin ice.

Neither party has the political or philosophical high ground on these issues, from an historical standpoint.

Obviously, the right-wing R-types currently supporting the status quo are on the wrong side of this issue, but we got here through the derelictions of both parties.

The only reason I bring this up is that I frequently see "fear-based" reactions on this site to crime stories.  When I say "fear-based," I don't mean you're quaking in your shoes with pee running down your leg.  When you talk about vengeance, punishment, and especially deterrence, those are fear-based rationales, and not often the product of having thought through an issue.

So, check yourself before you wreck yourself.  Be on guard when any politician uses your fear-based responses.  This has implications outside of police and criminal justice reform, too.

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Fantastic post.  Twice, when we can all get back together, I need to buy you a non-alcoholic beverage of your choice.

So much this.  It has been a universal element of American politics for my entire life - regardless of party affiliation, the only acceptable stance is to be super "tough on crime."  Which leads to mindless "we need more police, we need tougher laws, we need more prisons."  Zero policy thought at all, zero thought as to the negative repercussions....just more "tough on crime" window dressing, all the time. Which means that anything that could be remotely characterized as contrary to that means that you are a coward who wants people to be murdered and raped everywhere, and you need to be voted out.

Remember the 1990 Texas Dem governor's primary?  SNL even did a skit mocking the ads, where each candidate talked about how pro-capital punishment they were.  You didn't (and still don't?) get elected to any office in Texas, from any party, unless you talk a good game about being tough on crime.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 4:13 PM, Brisketexan said:

Fantastic post.  Twice, when we can all get back together, I need to buy you a non-alcoholic beverage of your choice.

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Can I have his beer?

 

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So much this.  It has been a universal element of American politics for my entire life - regardless of party affiliation, the only acceptable stance is to be super "tough on crime."  Which leads to mindless "we need more police, we need tougher laws, we need more prisons."  Zero policy thought at all, zero thought as to the negative repercussions....just more "tough on crime" window dressing, all the time.

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There is growing evidence that attacking the social issues instead of the crime actually has more effect in reducing crime than more cops, more prisons, etc.  You know what happens when fewer people are unemployed?  Crime goes down.  Same for a more direct approach to mental health, drug abuse, etc.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 4:13 PM, Brisketexan said:

 

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As someone who is around a lot of alumni former students from a certain school in my area; you could substitute the words "National" and "Championship" for "tough on crime"  and see why it's window dressing when it comes to achieving the desired results.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 4:17 PM, jimmyjazz said:

 

There is growing evidence that attacking the social issues instead of the crime actually has more effect in reducing crime than more cops, more prisons, etc.  You know what happens when fewer people are unemployed?  Crime goes down.  Same for a more direct approach to mental health, drug abuse, etc.

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Yep.  It's kinda like the old McDonald's theory of global stability: for a long, long time, no two countries that had a McDonald's in them had ever gone to war.  The theory was that having a McDonald's was an indicator of some level of prosperity, and in the post-WWII world, a country that was prosperous and stable enough to have a McD's didn't want to risk those things by getting into a war.  Contentment leads to more peace and prosperity.

If more and more folks rise from the "we've got nothing to lose" ranks to the "we've now got something to lose" ranks, then they are collectively less likely to engage in risky, destructive behavior.  Nothing eliminates crime (rich people kill each other sometimes, too), but increased prosperity is the #1 factor in reducing crime overall.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 4:24 PM, Brisketexan said:

Yep.  It's kinda like the old McDonald's theory of global stability: for a long, long time, no two countries that had a McDonald's in them had ever gone to war.  The theory was that having a McDonald's was an indicator of some level of prosperity, and in the post-WWII world, a country that was prosperous and stable enough to have a McD's didn't want to risk those things by getting into a war.  Contentment leads to more peace and prosperity.

If more and more folks rise from the "we've got nothing to lose" ranks to the "we've now got something to lose" ranks, then they are collectively less likely to engage in risky, destructive behavior.  Nothing eliminates crime (rich people kill each other sometimes, too), but increased prosperity is the #1 factor in reducing crime overall.

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Good thing Trump has driven unemployment #'s to an all-time low.

Posted
  On 6/13/2020 at 4:02 AM, trauma babe said:

You completely misunderstand what they're actually saying. They're rejecting the individualistic American nuclear family that pressures people to only care about their own immediate family to the detriment of the overall community. You know, a part of why we are where we are.

Here are the immediate two paragraphs above the one you quoted that gives the full context of what you misunderstood:

 

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Whoa hey that sounds like it takes a village to raise a child.

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  On 6/13/2020 at 6:26 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Is it just me? I find this sentiment disgusting. This isn't a baseball game, it isn't a game at all. Traveling to a city to attack its residents sounds more like terrorism.

 

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So actual criminals are coming and this misogynistic cunt is rooting for them.

 

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  On 6/13/2020 at 6:34 PM, Post Oak said:

So actual criminals are coming and this misogynistic cunt is rooting for them.

 

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Someone in the comments mentioned London and so I did a reverse image search on that pic in the tweet. It's from Europe. I think that might be bad for the carburetor.

 

Edit-B_T with the fast typing. Thanks B_T!

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  On 6/13/2020 at 1:29 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I just want to point something out that was triggered by the post about the worst police brutality occurring in D-mayor cities.

The root problem underlying our defective police culture and many other aspects of the criminal justice system is the fear of the citizenry.  A fear that has been stoked or at least politically preyed upon by politicians of #bothsides for several decades. 

Doing something to "strengthen" police, or increase sentences, or create new crimes has been a very reliable way to pander to the citizenry for a long time.  By the same token, doing anything to weaken police, reduce sentences, or reduce the reach and punitiveness of the criminal justice system has been mostly an untouchable third rail politically, until pretty recently, and even then that is on thin ice.

Neither party has the political or philosophical high ground on these issues, from an historical standpoint.

Obviously, the right-wing R-types currently supporting the status quo are on the wrong side of this issue, but we got here through the derelictions of both parties.

The only reason I bring this up is that I frequently see "fear-based" reactions on this site to crime stories.  When I say "fear-based," I don't mean you're quaking in your shoes with pee running down your leg.  When you talk about vengeance, punishment, and especially deterrence, those are fear-based rationales, and not often the product of having thought through an issue.

So, check yourself before you wreck yourself.  Be on guard when any politician uses your fear-based responses.  This has implications outside of police and criminal justice reform, too.

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Of course it’s based on fear. It always has.

The key is to overcoming your fear, swallow your pride in having to do so, which is difficult,  and open your fucking eyes. 

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  On 6/13/2020 at 6:26 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Is it just me? I find this sentiment disgusting. This isn't a baseball game, it isn't a game at all. Traveling to a city to attack its residents sounds more like terrorism.

 

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Lookout everyone! Here comes some once semi relevant Marlon Brando fetishists. Weight problems and irritable bowel syndrome now makes them twice as fierce. Did the twiggy-armed nerds think they could escape Sonny Barger's tracheotomy? Hahaha! Fools!!! Make way as they storm the Antifa Headquarters and break their Playstations. 

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  On 6/13/2020 at 6:46 PM, HenryJames said:
 

Fucking Tulsa. My BIL got married in Tulsa. When we were up there for the wedding is when I confirmed that my racist FIL was a genuine POS racist.

We were driving to pick up the tuxes, and talking about Tulsa in general - how it’s actually a pretty little town, nice geography, etc. Then out of nowhere, with nothing in percolate promoting it, he drops a “Yeah, but they’ve got a real ni**er problem.” I just sat there, stunned, and didn’t say another word for the rest of the drive.

We never had a really good relationship, after that, but after my MIL died, and he got even more entrenched in his bullshit, we essentially cut him off. He’s fucking toxic, and he’ll never change. And thinking like his is functionally identical to the thinking that got the black population of Tulsa wiped out 100 years ago. It’s still there. His share of it will die when he does...but only his share.


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