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Funny to see this. Saw a small group of people protesting at the Kerr county courthouse earlier this evening and was ecstatic. Most looked like Schreiner U students and you could tell they had been ou

Longhorn
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Then get the fuck out. Adios mofo. Go find somewhere else to live.

wildcat09
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That President and AG tried to take the tiniest steps to fixing the conditions that resulted in the unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore. In response, racist morons like you lost their shit and elected th

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BLM founders being Marxist is bad for black people because their antagonistic views toward the family structure would exacerbate the current breakdown of the family in black culture. Data would suggest this is a key component that has contributed to many of the problems facing the black community today. 
 
This is all putting aside the effect of past Marxist/socialist/communist governments on poor people in their countries. If that is something that BLM would ideally work toward then I don’t see how that’s good for the black community in America. 
Lol. Stop and search, extra time for equal crimes, and 5 years for 5 grams vs 5 years for 500 grams of powder has a lot more to do with it than Marxism....but I digress.

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https://www.theonion.com/every-member-of-police-department-excitedly-volunteers-1844393028

Every Member Of Police Department Excitedly Volunteers To Go Undercover In White Supremacist Group

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BALTIMORE, MD—As the police chief expressed amazement over the general enthusiasm for receiving the assignment, every member of the Baltimore Police Department was reportedly excitedly volunteering Wednesday to go undercover in a white supremacist group. “I’ll do it! I would be so good at going undercover—if I’m in there, the white supremacists won’t even be able to tell the difference,” said officer Tyson Ellerton, trying to get the chief’s attention over the din of the entire rest of the department begging to be the one to investigate a new local organization dedicated to upholding white Chrstian nationalism through violent means. “Please let me do it! No one will work harder than me to get into their mindset and lifestyle. Two months, two years, whatever it takes. I will live like a white supremacist to get inside their heads and understand how they work. Plus, I’ve already been working on an inside source—someone I just met, somehow—so I can use that connection to gain acceptance quickly. Come on, Chief, please please please. I’ve trained my whole life for this.” At press time, a thrilled Ellerton exclaimed that he had just a few minutes to make it to the white supremacist group’s upcoming meeting, leaving the station before the police chief had a chance to ask how he knew the scheduled time.

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20 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

That's a stupid, childish, petulant, and ignorant characterization of what is on the flier.

Whose? Mine, the tweeter or both? 

I smell an explanation coming of what they really meant.

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52 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Tweet.

The museum doesn't need to explain anything because what they wrote is pretty easy to understand if the reader isn't an idiot or purposefully misrepresenting the words on the page for attention.

People can read the tweet and the flyer.

If people talk about certain things being “normalized” in terms of racial issues, it’s a pejorative. 
 

Why do they feel the need to characterize so many things that many people, including people in the Black community, consider positives, in that fashion? What’s the motivation? It’s such a warped way of thinking. I just don’t get it. 
 

 

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4 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

If people talk about certain things being “normalized” in terms of racial issues, it’s a pejorative. 

Only if you're hypersensitive and looking to be offended.

Normalization is simply the process of setting the accepted social expectation and it doesn't carry any value judgment at all.

It would be a lot more helpful if you mentioned something specifically from the flier that you take objection to. And then what your problem is with them saying it, after all, the flier doesn't even tell the reader that non-whites should reject these normalized aspects of white culture.

 

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Only if you're hypersensitive and looking to be offended.
Normalization is simply the process of setting the accepted social expectation and it doesn't carry any value judgment at all.
It would be a lot more helpful if you mentioned something specifically from the flier that you take objection to. And then what your problem is with them saying it, after all, the flier doesn't even tell the reader that non-whites should reject these normalized aspects of white culture.
 
Well, when they've heard nothing but concerns about their shitty behavior becoming "normalized", it's understandable that they assume it's a put down.
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10 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Only if you're hypersensitive and looking to be offended.

Normalization is simply the process of setting the accepted social expectation and it doesn't carry any value judgment at all.

It would be a lot more helpful if you mentioned something specifically from the flier that you take objection to. And then what your problem is with them saying it, after all, the flier doesn't even tell the reader that non-whites should reject these normalized aspects of white culture.

 

 

Well it was created by this firm

And this woman

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who wrote something called 

“White Awareness: Handbook for Anti-Racism Training”

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Judith doesn’t look at any signs of whiteness being normalized as a good thing. 
 

I think that’s pretty clear honestly, despite your protest. So to what do I object? How does it benefit PoC, or anyone, to view these qualities in a poor light?

Self reliance 

Importance of nuclear family 

rational, linear thinking

Hard work is the key to success

work before play 

Plan for future 

delayed gratification 

Time viewed as a commodity 

follow rigid time schedules 

Competition (there’s that word again)

be polite 

These are just the glaring ones that I saw. 

What makes them white and therefore unnecessarily forced on people according to the author?

It seems counterproductive to the people you’re trying to educate and presumably help advance in society to cast these things in a bad light. 

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1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Well it was created by this firm

And this woman

E41-DC0-CF-3619-4-C1-D-AE83-B7-C03-F7-CA

who wrote something called 

“White Awareness: Handbook for Anti-Racism Training”

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Judith doesn’t look at any signs of whiteness being normalized as a good thing. 

So like I said, " looking to be offended."

What you are talking about here isn't in the flier and the only way anyone would know anything about it is if they actually make a personal hobby out of finding ways to hurt their own feelings.

This is basically identical to the conversation I had with Axiom of Choice with regard to the supposed Marxism of some of BLM's co-founders, a thing only hyper-online and hyper-aggrieved partisans would know about from trawling through obscure links about even obscurer people.

You guys are actively trying to give yourselves mental diseases online and then you're mad at the targets of your Internet stalking/sleuthing for the emotional PTSD you've self-delivered.

And, just like Axiom of Choice, you're trying to give it the guise of "oh I'm just saying it's bad for their cause" as if anyone who isn't already a furious partisan is going to (A) do the amount of pointless research you've done over nothing at all or (B) subscribe to the voices/channels/outlets that do the pointless research for you.

Professional Hurt Feelings Havers

But an actual interesting conversation can be had about how conventional/normalized values aren't actually all that great.

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So to what do I object? How does it benefit PoC, or anyone, to view these qualities in a poor light?

Self reliance 
Humans are collective/social creatures and lionizing self-reliance is simply an inaccurate way of thinking about how humans succeed. It's the classic Libertarian self-delusion of "I BUILT THIS MYSELF!"
As Obama said accurately, "You didn't build that."
A healthy and successful society relies on cooperation and not just men on their separate islands eyeing each other suspiciously.

Importance of nuclear family 

The isolation of familial units into mother/father/children in one box moving great distances away from extended family in constant pursuit of tenuous labor and shrinking wages has been devastating to our families and our overall culture. This one should be very obvious.

rational, linear thinking
Back to humans being collective/social creatures. Every man standing in isolation thinking they're figuring everything out when half of them are dumber than average can be destructive. Think of an angry 17-year-old furiously telling a group of old women that their god isn't real. Rational, linear thinking is often a way for people to ignore larger truths, especially ones that about relations and emotions.

Hard work is the key to success

Again, this one should be pretty obvious. The link between hard work and success is tenuous and the entire point of capitalism is that you want passive income and to get rich by doing/providing virtually nothing. Our economic outlook nationally is dominated by a gambling market played in by rich men dying of metabolic disease whose key move is destroying jobs and wages.

work before play 

What's your problem with this??

Plan for future 

We are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. Be more specific because I don't know what your objection is. If you think the argument is, "Literally never make any plans for any future moment" then you're an idiot, frankly. This is obviously about trying to get people to buy into many of the myths above (hard work -> success & self-reliance, especially).

delayed gratification 

Again, what's your problem with this?

Time viewed as a commodity 

Again, what's your problem with this?

follow rigid time schedules 

Again, what's your problem with this?

Competition (there’s that word again)

Again, what's your problem with this?

be polite 

To trade in stereotypes... 
My son and I were in Dallas when Ace Ventura: Pet Detective came out. We went with a family friend to a showing in South Dallas and our black friend warned us that the experience might not meet our normal movie-going expectations. The all-black-except-for-my-son-and-I audience stood, jumped, shouted constantly, threw popcorn at each other and the screen, and were EXTREMELY impolite relative to the normal movie-going experience I was used to.

The polite way to handle disputes in traditional white America is to seethe silently and built endless resentment. And if you ever confront someone then your relationship is ruined forever. An impolite thing to do is have it out loudly, expressing both your Cold Reason and your emotional responses and then doing it so often amongst the group that relationships can survive the upheavels. That's for... those people who act so wildly!

 

 

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

So like I said, " looking to be offended."

What you are talking about here isn't in the flier and the only way anyone would know anything about it is if they actually make a personal hobby out of finding ways to hurt their own feelings.

This is basically identical to the conversation I had with Axiom of Choice with regard to the supposed Marxism of some of BLM's co-founders, a thing only hyper-online and hyper-aggrieved partisans would know about from trawling through obscure links about even obscurer people.

You guys are actively trying to give yourselves mental diseases online and then you're mad at the targets of your Internet stalking/sleuthing for the emotional PTSD you've self-delivered.

And, just like Axiom of Choice, you're trying to give it the guise of "oh I'm just saying it's bad for their cause" as if anyone who isn't already a furious partisan is going to (A) do the amount of pointless research you've done over nothing at all or (B) subscribe to the voices/channels/outlets that do the pointless research for you.

Professional Hurt Feelings Havers

But an actual interesting conversation can be had about how conventional/normalized values aren't actually all that great.

 

 

Obsessive, obstinate CR poster projects mental illness on other poster. Ok, whatever. 
 

My feelings aren’t hurt. Merely pointing out what I think seems to be people moving in the wrong direction.

I don’t think we’re ever gonna agree on this topic. 

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Obsessive, obstinate CR poster projects mental illness on other poster. Ok, whatever. 

I'm aware of my mental illness. :)

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My feelings aren’t hurt. Merely pointing out what I think seems to be people moving in the wrong direction.

Dishonest nonsense. You are not a concerned ally of their movement.

Tell me truthfully, bud, where did you find that information about the contributors to the flier? Where did you hear of the flier in the first place?

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I'm aware of my mental illness. :)

Dishonest nonsense. You are not a concerned ally of their movement.

Tell me truthfully, bud, where did you find that information about the contributors to the flier? Where did you hear of the flier in the first place?

I’m down with the movement that opposes police brutality against Black people. I’m not down with BLM.

I saw the flier initially in a tweet by Cr favorite Jason Whitlock. 

The follow up info of who’s responsible was on one of the replies to the initial tweet. 
 

I think people get overly zealous supporting some online cause without thinking about the real life costs. Here’s a lefty columnist talking about the damage caused by the riots. It’s fucking shameful that mainstream media glorified these riots when they were trashing minority communities. I mean wtf. Guess what, white media members cheer that shit on. That’s bs. Prove me wrong. 
 

 

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15 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

I’m down with the movement that opposes police brutality against Black people. I’m not down with BLM.

Is the NMAAHC the same as "BLM"? 

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I saw the flier initially in a tweet by Cr favorite Jason Whitlock. 

Perfect.

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I think people get overly zealous supporting some online cause without thinking about the real life costs. Here’s a lefty columnist talking about the damage caused by the riots. It’s fucking shameful that mainstream media glorified these riots when they were trashing minority communities. I mean wtf. Guess what, white media members cheer that shit on. That’s bs. Prove me wrong. 
 

1) Michael Tracey isn't "a lefty columnist". That's laughable.
2) What the hell does the damage caused by the riots have to do with what we're talking about?

Can you give me any examples of "mainstream media glorif(ying) these riots"? Can you give me examples of "white media members cheer(ing) that shit on"? What the fuck are you even talking about?

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21 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Uhm..... what could be the explanation here?  This needs to be a national story if not a set up.  This is shit you see in totalitarian third world counties..... which, I guess we are now.

 

Yes so totalitarian. Trump is basically cucked. Such a moronic take. 

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Uhm..... what could be the explanation here?  

Trump needed footage of the military rounding up some Antifa is my guess.  

You know, for the QAnon peeps. 

I know this is scary and I’m not trying to be flippant but it’s probably something stupid like that.

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8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Uhm..... what could be the explanation here?  This needs to be a national story if not a set up.  This is shit you see in totalitarian third world counties..... which, I guess we are now.

 

 

8 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Did you read the article?   This is the kinda shit actual civil libertarians should not be ok with. 

@GRHorn you really should read Ted's article. In any way shape or form, individuals taken from the street by unmarked save some camo uniform of some type, no identification, "officials(?)", placed in rental vans, taken to a federal building, searched, placed in holding cell and then released. How is this not a violation of civil rights? How is this not intimidation of the citizens of Portland? The two men described below were protesting outside the county jail and were heading home. They said it had been peaceful-no tear gas everything calm. Are Americans not allowed the right to assemble? Or are some Americans guaranteed that right but not others?

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"But interviews conducted by OPB show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren’t near federal property, nor is it clear that all of the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity. Demonstrators like O’Shea and Pettibone said they think they were targeted by federal officers for simply wearing black clothing in the area of the demonstration."

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“It was basically a process of facing many walls and corners as they patted me down and took my picture and rummaged through my belongings,” Pettibone said. “One of them said, ‘This is a whole lot of nothing.’”

Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn’t tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him if he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest.

“I just happened to be wearing black on a sidewalk in downtown Portland at the time,” Pettibone said. “And that apparently is grounds for detaining me.”

 

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Mayor Ted Wheeler’s office declined to offer comment on the latest events involving federal officers, but reiterated a statement from earlier in the week, saying federal officers should be restricted to guarding federal property.

“We do not need or want their help,” Wheeler said. “The best thing they can do is stay inside their building, or leave Portland altogether.”

 

 

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So.....we have federal forces arresting people for....thought crimes?  Like, "maybe that guy over there is THINKING about putting graffiti on some federal building somewhere?

WTF?  Sounds like a section 1983 action seeking immediate injunction against such actions would be in order.

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