Minneapolis is Burning

[DigglerontheHoof 21565]

18 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Police trap peaceful protesters between two parking garages and then throw flash bangs and pepper spray from above.

 

ACAB

Again, don't ask me to give a rat's ass when a cop gets killed.  

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2651]

15 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Esper goes on the record and says he does not support invoking the Insurrection act - directly contradicting the president.

 

Great to hear. Major shot across the bow at trump 

[Brisketexan 107042]

5 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Again, don't ask me to give a rat's ass when a cop gets killed.  

Yeah.....makes it really fucking hard, doesn't it?

Tell us guys, how do we tell the "good cops" from these cops?  Do they wear different colored hats or something?

[Spankytoes 1748]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah.....makes it really fucking hard, doesn't it?

Tell us guys, how do we tell the "good cops" from these cops?  Do they wear different colored hats or something?

The same way you tell good Muslims from Islamic terrorists?

[smuggs 9399]

4 minutes ago, Xian said:

Great to hear. Major shot across the bow gunt at trump 

fify.

[Brisketexan 107042]

3 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

The same way you tell good Muslims from Islamic terrorists?

Well, when all muslims are charged with the duty to protect me, and I pay them to do so, but they attack me anyway, then yes, your analogy will be spot-on.

[4th&Five 42027]

3 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

The same way you tell good Muslims from Islamic terrorists?

The difference is the “good” cops cover for the bad cops. 

[Spankytoes 1748]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, when all muslims are charged with the duty to protect me, and I pay them to do so, but they attack me anyway, then yes, your analogy will be spot-on.

What cop has attacked you? 

[Spankytoes 1748]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

The difference is the “good” cops cover for the bad cops. 

The same claim is made against peaceful Muslims. That they should condemn attacks more vocally.

[Brisketexan 107042]

Just now, Spankytoes said:

What cop has attacked you? 

One attacked my father, beat the fuck out of him, and tossed him in jail on a made-up charge (it was later dropped, in exchange for my dad not making a stink about the beating), leaving us to think that he died on the way home.  Thanks for asking.

One flat-out lied when he pulled me over.

My black law school classmate buddy was regularly detained and questioned by cops for being in the same sort of places the rest of his classmates would go without any hassle.

You wanna go on?  We can do this all fucking day.  Wait, month.  Wait, we can go for a year, maybe more.

[TheStoicPaisano 9954]

35 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Police trap peaceful protesters between two parking garages and then throw flash bangs and pepper spray from above.

 

ACAB

That’s beyond the fucking pale. I’m guessing this is close to where the convention would’ve been?

’Dry run’ with live targets.

[Brisketexan 107042]

1 minute ago, Spankytoes said:

The same claim is made against peaceful Muslims. That they should condemn attacks more vocally.

You really don't see the fucking difference?

Are all muslims charged with a legal duty to uphold the law?  Like, when they see a murder being committed, it's literally their JOB to stop it?  Nope.

That's cops you're thinking of.  And not only do they repeatedly attack civilians (and lie/cover it up), instead of doing their JOB and stopping the bad cops doing it....they cover for them.

So, kind of a HUGE fucking difference.  I can say that "I'm not responsible for what other members of my race/neighborhood/religion do," and that's correct (I mean, I still try though).  But a cop is LITERALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR STOPPING CRIMES.

[bad_teammate 13568]

Do peaceful Muslims stand literally right next to terrorist Muslims while the terrorists do their thing?

Don't be a fucking idiot.

[TXSG8R 3362]

4 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

The same way you tell good Muslims from Islamic terrorists?

This is selfawarewolves worthy.  

[gmr548 16704]

The same way you tell good Muslims from Islamic terrorists?

Lol imagine being this stupid.

[Spankytoes 1748]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

One attacked my father, beat the fuck out of him, and tossed him in jail on a made-up charge (it was later dropped, in exchange for my dad not making a stink about the beating), leaving us to think that he died on the way home.  Thanks for asking.

One flat-out lied when he pulled me over.

My black law school classmate buddy was regularly detained and questioned by cops for being in the same sort of places the rest of his classmates would go without any hassle.

You wanna go on?  We can do this all fucking day.  Wait, month.  Wait, we can go for a year, maybe more.

So you have posted individual instances of cops behaving badly. Yes, I want to go on. Let’s post incidents of black people behaving badly. Why are all cops bad, based on your examples, but not all black people are bad because a few doesn’t represent the majority? Explain the difference to me on how broad strokes are applied.

[Brisketexan 107042]

Just now, Spankytoes said:

So you have posted individual instances of cops behaving badly. Yes, I want to go on. Let’s post incidents of black people behaving badly. Why are all cops bad, based on your examples, but not all black people are bad because a few doesn’t represent the majority? Explain the difference to me on how broad strokes are applied.

Are you genuinely this stupid?

Tell me this, which one of these people took an oath, and has a job paid for by WE THE PEOPLE, to stop crimes from occurring:

1) Joe Black Guy

2) Joe Cop

So, now that we know the answer is "Joe Cop" who has that job.....who is derelict in their duty when they allow another member of their class (the class of all black people, or the class of cops) to commit a crime?

That's right!  It's Joe Cop again!

I don't hold black people responsible for policing other black people.  I DO hold police responsible for policing other police because, well.....it's literally right there in the name of their job.

Stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.

[Spankytoes 1748]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

You really don't see the fucking difference?

Are all muslims charged with a legal duty to uphold the law?  Like, when they see a murder being committed, it's literally their JOB to stop it?  Nope.

That's cops you're thinking of.  And not only do they repeatedly attack civilians (and lie/cover it up), instead of doing their JOB and stopping the bad cops doing it....they cover for them.

So, kind of a HUGE fucking difference.  I can say that "I'm not responsible for what other members of my race/neighborhood/religion do," and that's correct (I mean, I still try though).  But a cop is LITERALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR STOPPING CRIMES.

No, I don’t. Terrorists fuck up the perception for law abiding Muslims. Rogue cops fuck up the image for the good cops. 
 

If cops are literally responsible for stopping crimes, why all the outrage for using police tactics to control crowds? They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. The semantics are the tactics being used and why. Are we supposed to ignore the crimes being committed because “fuck the police”?

[Brisketexan 107042]

Just now, Spankytoes said:

No, I don’t. Terrorists fuck up the perception for law abiding Muslims. Rogue cops fuck up the image for the good cops. 
 

If cops are literally responsible for stopping crimes, why all the outrage for using police tactics to control crowds? They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. The semantics are the tactics being used and why. Are we supposed to ignore the crimes being committed because “fuck the police”?

Why all the outrage?  Because the law does NOT allow the use of force on peaceful assemblies.  None of us are griping about a cop tackling a looter.  We're complaining about cops shooting journalists in the face, shooting civilians standing on their own front porch (which was legally ALLOWED per the curfew order), shooting smoke grenades and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters they pinned down between two buildings, etc.

Don't equate the two.  None of us are.  Only you.  Because you're not very good at this.

[Ghost of LL 15705]

16 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

The same way you tell good Muslims from Islamic terrorists?

Did you miss the part where our most stalwart allies in the war against ISIS and al Qa'ida in Mesopotamia were the Kurds (right up until Donald Trump betrayed them to the Syrians and Russians)?

To exactly what religion do you think the Kurds adhere?

4 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

So you have posted individual instances of cops behaving badly. Yes, I want to go on. Let’s post incidents of black people behaving badly. Why are all cops bad, based on your examples, but not all black people are bad because a few doesn’t represent the majority? Explain the difference to me on how broad strokes are applied.

Well, a cop chose to become a cop and every day chooses to remain a cop.  So that's a pretty fucking big difference right there.

Honestly, Spanky--when did you become this stupid and/or racist?

[Spankytoes 1748]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Are you genuinely this stupid?

Tell me this, which one of these people took an oath, and has a job paid for by WE THE PEOPLE, to stop crimes from occurring:

1) Joe Black Guy

2) Joe Cop

So, now that we know the answer is "Joe Cop" who has that job.....who is derelict in their duty when they allow another member of their class (the class of all black people, or the class of cops) to commit a crime?

That's right!  It's Joe Cop again!

I don't hold black people responsible for policing other black people.  I DO hold police responsible for policing other police because, well.....it's literally right there in the name of their job.

Stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.

I see. So your tactic, when being asked for clarification civilly, is to insult a person’s intelligence for not agreeing with you.

Maybe you’re part of the problem?

[kevwun 16449]

When you have no other arguments, try to change the subject.  Muddy the waters.  Equivocate.  Prevaricate.  Anything to avoid facing the truth.

[bad_teammate 13568]

3 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Why are all cops bad, based on your examples, but not all black people are bad because a few doesn’t represent the majority? Explain the difference to me on how broad strokes are applied.

Cops behaving badly is an issue of government authority and power.

Citizens (black, in your example, because you cannot help but betray the hate and fear that underlies your entire word) behaving badly has nothing to do with government authority and power. It's just bad behavior.

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Terrorists fuck up the perception for law abiding Muslims.

Only among racists.

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Rogue cops fuck up the image for the good cops. 

Is a cop who watches (and I mean literally watches) a "rogue cop" do bad shit a "good cop"? What if he sees the video and doesn't arrest the "rogue cop" later when they are standing next to each other at the precinct? What if he hears a rumor about it and doesn't report it?

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If cops are literally responsible for stopping crimes, why all the outrage for using police tactics to control crowds?

Because being in a crowd isn't a crime.

Also, it's a tool of the fascist to use language to normalize brutality. "police tactics"

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The semantics are the tactics being used and why. Are we supposed to ignore the crimes being committed because “fuck the police”?

If the police were simply enforcing laws we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[bad_teammate 13568]

1 minute ago, Spankytoes said:

I see. So your tactic, when being asked for clarification civilly, is to insult a person’s intelligence for not agreeing with you.

Maybe you’re part of the problem?

You should use some "police tactics" on him for hurting your feelings.

[wildcat09 29601]

Oh good, Spanky is back to bitching about Muslims. It’s good to know some things never change.

[Brisketexan 107042]

3 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Rogue cops fuck up the image for the good cops. 

Oh, and  this goes BEYOND that, and you know it.  Yeah, everyone has a problem with rogue cops.

What we're talking about here are ALL THE OTHER COPS who know about the rogue cop, watch him commit crimes, and let him get away with it.  You are talking about Chauvin.  The rest of us are talking about the three cops who stood by and WATCHED him murder a man, and actually PROTECTED him while he did it.

So, if you want to go with your analogy....if you spot some regular muslims who function as lookouts and protectors for the terrorist planting a bomb, you know that that makes them?  Terrorists.

So, let's apply the same rule to cops, shall we?  If the cops know that one of them is lying on a report, hurting a suspect, etc., and instead of stopping him, they COVER for him, that makes them criminals.  And the problem is.....MOST COPS fall into that group.

[Brisketexan 107042]

4 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

I see. So your tactic, when being asked for clarification civilly, is to insult a person’s intelligence for not agreeing with you.

Maybe you’re part of the problem?

No, I called you stupid because of the objective evidence supporting that conclusion.  Your logical reasoning skills are only reinforcing that conclusion.  You could avoid that by -- and this is a big step, but you can do it -- not being stupid.  For example, the bulk of the post you quoted was a basic exercise in logical reasoning.  You chose to completely sidestep it in favor of whining.  I stand by my assessment.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Brisketexan

[TexArcher 39078]

28 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Again, don't ask me to give a rat's ass when a cop gets killed.  

The problem is that if a single cop is killed anywhere in this country during these riots, thousands of them will go full Keyser Soze on whomever is closest.

[bad_teammate 13568]

Personal attacks are cool and good, actually.

Spankytoes is a fucking moron.

[wildcat09 29601]

Hundreds of NYPD coordinate from two sides of a river to trap thousands of protesters on a bridge in the hope that just one will throw a water bottle at them so they can say they were justified in gassing and beating the shit out of thousands of people.

Spanky: “just a couple rogue cops. Why aren’t y’all bitching about Muslims??!?!!?!”

[DigDug 1738]

5 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

So you have posted individual instances of cops behaving badly. Yes, I want to go on. Let’s post incidents of black people behaving badly. Why are all cops bad, based on your examples, but not all black people are bad because a few doesn’t represent the majority? Explain the difference to me on how broad strokes are applied.

One side is backed with district attorneys, prosecutors, judges and jailers who are all against you and a lot of them crooked.
 

They can trap you and your family in a system for years and generations where they purposely keep you from prospering and take away your hope.

[Spankytoes 1748]

1 minute ago, DigDug said:

One side is backed with district attorneys, prosecutors, judges and jailers who are all against you and a lot of them crooked.
 

They can trap you and your family in a system for years and generations where they purposely keep you from prospering and take away your hope.

Is that exclusive to POC or are whites people at risk too?

[Fudge Nuggets 19483]

Damn, the spank got fucking owned. 
 

Go clean yourself off, son. You got mom’s spaghetti sauce all over your shirt. 

[Spankytoes 1748]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Oh good, Spanky is back to bitching about Muslims. It’s good to know some things never change.

Show me where I bitched about Muslims

[David Dennison 19571]

15 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

If cops are literally responsible for stopping crimes, why all the outrage for using police tactics to control crowds? They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. The semantics are the tactics being used and why. Are we supposed to ignore the crimes being committed because “fuck the police”?

It's not a crime to gather as a crowd. In fact, it is a constitutionally protected right. Police very often are the ones who escalate the situations where gatherings turn violent. They've been doing it all week.

Edited June 3, 2020 by David Dennison

[DigDug 1738]

1 minute ago, Spankytoes said:

Is that exclusive to POC or are whites people at risk too?

It’s not exclusive, but it’s much much more prevalent and real.  It’s a different reality, and I honestly I think you know that.

[DigglerontheHoof 21565]

8 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

The problem is that if a single cop is killed anywhere in this country during these riots, thousands of them will go full Keyser Soze on whomever is closest.

Agreed.  I don’t want anyone to die, I’m just not going to put anymore importance on a cop’s death than anyone else I don’t know.

[bad_teammate 13568]

7 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Is that exclusive to POC or are whites people at risk too?

What relevance does this question have to what he said?

lol you're a toxic stew of psychological issues

[Macanudo 13344]

If Esper had any balls he would resign effective immediately on live TV WITHOUT telling Trump in advance. 

Go on TV and say "I can not support the authoritarian and tyrannical measures the President wants to put in place.  I disagree with him wholeheartedly and will not because party to trampling on the Constitutional rights of Americans.  My letter of resignation is being delivered to the President as I speak as I have chosen to never see the man in person ever again.  Thank you."

 

But he's a lackey and he doesnt have the cojones, or conscience, to do it.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2506]

I know there are all kinds of groups out there causing issues, but the narrative that there is only evidence of "right wing" groups is not correct.  

Come on now.  We have all seen the videos of skinny rolled up jeans hipsters with long hair encouraging black guys to start some shit.  You also going to tell me with a straight face that skater dudes busting windows are part of right wing extremist groups?    

Don't get me wrong I am sure there are right wing nuts out there causing shit as well.  

[Brisketexan 107042]

If Esper had any balls he would resign effective immediately on live TV WITHOUT telling Trump in advance. 
Go on TV and say "I can not support the authoritarian and tyrannical measures the President wants to put in place.  I disagree with him wholeheartedly and will not because party to trampling on the Constitutional rights of Americans.  My letter of resignation is being delivered to the President as I speak as I have chosen to never see the man in person ever again.  Thank you."
 
But he's a lackey and he doesnt have the cojones, or conscience, to do it.

The only balls to be found in this admin are those that regularly slap against Pence’s chin and ass.

[Spankytoes 1748]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What relevance does this question have to what he said?

lol you're a toxic stew of psychological issues

We’re talking about racist cops, are we not? 

[Leeroy Jenkins 2506]

1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

If Esper had any balls he would resign effective immediately on live TV WITHOUT telling Trump in advance. 

Go on TV and say "I can not support the authoritarian and tyrannical measures the President wants to put in place.  I disagree with him wholeheartedly and will not because party to trampling on the Constitutional rights of Americans.  My letter of resignation is being delivered to the President as I speak as I have chosen to never see the man in person ever again.  Thank you."

 

But he's a lackey and he doesnt have the cojones, or conscience, to do it.

As I have said before, Esper is an idiot.  The brass at the Pentagon are not happy and haven't been for some time.  This latest picture stunt really pissed some folks off.  I think you would have normally seen some 4 stars retire/resign in protest but they feel the need to protect the force and to push back when they can.  

[Brisketexan 107042]

3 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

We’re talking about racist cops, are we not? 

AND THOSE COPS WHO PROTECT THEM, in DIRECT conflict with their duty.   You don't get to do bullshit gaslighting and mischaracterize the topic.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Brisketexan

[Bozo_Casanova 26911]

12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

I understand it makes some of the Status Quo Bozos a little uncomfortable to see the reality of the system that we have created in this country laid out in front of them. 

It's like we all live in the same building and the plumbing sucks.

The Status Quo Bozos keep working to elect a co-op president who will spend the money to fix the plumbing. The Burn-it-down bois shout about how the building is poorly managed and the coop board is corrupt and everything is way too expensive and the plumbing sucks, and they get so angry they set the building on fire.

So now we're all standing there, considering our impending homelessness, watching as the building burns. And as the bricks and frame structure of of the building falls away, it breaks a still functional, pressurized pipe, spraying water into a void where a toilet used to be. And one of the Status Quo Bozos points out the broken pipe spraying amidst the flames and says:

"All I can say is congratulations to @Anastasis, @maninblack, and all the burn it down bois. You’ve really got to be thrilled with how this is going."

And one of the burn it down bois says, triumphantly
"I understand it makes some of the Status Quo Bozos a little uncomfortable to see the reality of the plumbing in this building laid out in front of them."

Edited June 3, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Ted Lange 16444]

 

[Macanudo 13344]

2 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

As I have said before, Esper is an idiot.  The brass at the Pentagon are not happy and haven't been for some time.  This latest picture stunt really pissed some folks off.  I think you would have normally seen some 4 stars retire/resign in protest but they feel the need to protect the force and to push back when they can.  

I wondered why Milley and others, military and civilian have not resigned as well but wonder if some are staying on thinking they can head off stuff. 

But I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that anyone and everyone in a position of authority or influence is a Trump jock sniffer.

[Hiphopopotamos 21192]

Obama will address the nation today at 4pm - Trump is going to lose his shit.  Tweets incoming.

[HornOnTheBayou 9069]

Has spanky always been this much of an asshat? I thought he used to be a decent poster, but maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

[Bozo_Casanova 26911]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Obama will address the nation today at 4pm - Trump is going to lose his shit.  Tweets incoming.

Finally. I really don't like the idea of Ex-presidents doing this because we have one president at a time. But right now, in this crisis, we don't have a president and we need one. 

Edited June 3, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova