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1 hour ago, Bartles said:

Because of the clear and shocking video, this ultimately meaningless police procedural fuck-up will probably dominate the news today, taking the story further and further from George Floyd and racial violence by police in general.

Thats certainly one way to frame it.  Others might see it as maybe the most blatant display yet that the MPD doesn't give a fuck about the first amendment.   They just arrested a reporter live on air for 'refusing to move' despite the reporter telling them over and over again (on air) that they'll move anywhere they want them to.

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Funny to see this. Saw a small group of people protesting at the Kerr county courthouse earlier this evening and was ecstatic. Most looked like Schreiner U students and you could tell they had been ou

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Then get the fuck out. Adios mofo. Go find somewhere else to live.

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That President and AG tried to take the tiniest steps to fixing the conditions that resulted in the unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore. In response, racist morons like you lost their shit and elected th

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Trump presidency in a single image. He said himself during his campaign, he wants riots then we can make America great again. 

Minnesota Governor:  Democrat

Minnesota Senators: Democrat and Democrat

Minnesota members of the US House of Representatives:

Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Republican

Mayor of Minneapolis: Democrat

Mayor of St Paul:  Democrat

Minnesota State House:  Democrat majority

Minnesota State Senate: Republican majority

Yep, this is on Trump.  

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1 hour ago, Bartles said:

Because of the clear and shocking video, this ultimately meaningless police procedural fuck-up will probably dominate the news today, taking the story further and further from George Floyd and racial violence by police in general.

I'd bet against that. 

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7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

So...let’s see where we are as a country....

We have a non functioning federal government led by a man who is trafficking in cruel conspiracy theories and amplifying statements that “the only good dem is a dead dem.”

We are in the midst of a global pandemic, where we are one of the worst performing countries. We have 100k dead and counting.

Related to that, we have entered an economic depression, with record unemployment.

We have racially tinged murders grabbing the headlines, one by pathetic rednecks affiliated with local police, covered for by local cops and prosecutors till video gets out...and now a new one with a slow-motion murder of a black man by cop on video.

We have civil unrest and violence in several cities, with one of them on fire.

 

I mean....I think we might be in bad shape, guys.

But you can't expect me to vote for Joe Biden, right?  What do you think this is?

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8 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

We all know guys from high school who became cops. The ones I knew were too stupid for college, were crazy racists, and they all went into the military. 

Some were bullies as kids, some were bullied as kids. I'm guessing the guy with his knee on Floyd's neck was a bully and the short, dumpy guy standing by with the smug expression on his face was bullied. 

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Trump:  "Let's send out tweets about Minnesota.  We'll send them aid, national guard troops, FBI, DOJ, whatever they need.  Get it done!"  

Campaign Manager:  "Sir, you're down by 5 points to Biden and the gap is widening."

Trump:  "Fuck Minnesota, let it burn."  

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Update from Columbus: The lone protester who gained entry to the Statehouse has been arrested and there were "dozens" of businesses that had windows broken and some looting occurred. The first report I saw this morning just referred to four or five businesses hit so it looks like they're still trying to assess the extent of the damage. 

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Minnesota Governor:  Democrat

Minnesota Senators: Democrat and Democrat

Minnesota members of the US House of Representatives:

Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Republican

Mayor of Minneapolis: Democrat

Mayor of St Paul:  Democrat

Minnesota State House:  Democrat majority

Minnesota State Senate: Republican majority

Yep, this is on Trump.  

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The president of the united states needs to be calling for these murderers to be arrested, not for the protesters to be shot, you dumb fucking idiot.

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23 minutes ago, zork said:

Minnesota Governor:  Democrat

Minnesota Senators: Democrat and Democrat

Minnesota members of the US House of Representatives:

Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Republican

Mayor of Minneapolis: Democrat

Mayor of St Paul:  Democrat

Minnesota State House:  Democrat majority

Minnesota State Senate: Republican majority

Yep, this is on Trump.  

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You're fucking stupid Zork

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1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

The president of the united states needs to be calling for these murderers to be arrested, not for the protesters to be shot, you dumb fucking idiot.

Usually you want the president to come out and exhibit a bit of leadership to try and calm things down.  In this case, I wish the president would just STFU.  That would be a win and about the best we could ever hope for.

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And the Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison, was queued up to be interviewed about the 4 cops under investigation just minutes after their arrest by STATE police (who answer ultimately to the AG).  I wouldn't want to be one of the two dipshits that put on the cuffs on Omar this morning.  

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I can’t believe those fucking morons arrested a CNN reporter while he was reporting.  Perhaps one of the most on the nose self-owns I’ve seen.

The footage from that is nuts. A bunch of faceless cops all holding wooden bats circling the reporting crew who are literally live on air and showing their credentials and complying with the cops were all arrested. 

And then the city police tweeted out an "lol our bad" and lied about the sequence of events saying the reporters never gave credentials and got "swept up accidentally". Cops gonna cop, they like wearing the boots so they can step on your neck easier

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1 hour ago, Bartles said:

Because of the clear and shocking video, this ultimately meaningless police procedural fuck-up will probably dominate the news today, taking the story further and further from George Floyd and racial violence by police in general.

I think the fact that they chose to arrest a reporter who is a person of color, and it looked like his crew was to, furthers the story of how racist and awful the police are in Minnesota (and throughout the country)

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15 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The footage from that is nuts. A bunch of faceless cops all holding wooden bats circling the reporting crew who are literally live on air and showing their credentials and complying with the cops were all arrested. 

And then the city police tweeted out an "lol our bad" and lied about the sequence of events saying the reporters never gave credentials and got "swept up accidentally". Cops gonna cop, they like wearing the boots so they can step on your neck easier

JFC.  If he reached into his pocket to grab his credentials he'd probably be dead now.

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JFC.  If he reached into his pocket to grab his credentials he'd probably be dead now.

The kicker is that the fox news team a block over with a white reporter didn't get hassled at all. Gotta love all that "CNN is fake news" rhetoric coming home to roost

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3 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

JFC.  If he reached into his pocket to grab his credentials he'd probably be dead now.

About 30 seconds before they put the cuffs on him, he's holding out his credential with his right hand to the officers just out of frame in front of him (viewer's right).  Presumably it was around his neck and he held it out farther for them to see.  Also, the giant camera with the giant CNN logo may have also been a giveaway to the police.  They made every attempt to move out of the way but the officers also told them not to move and hang tight while they figured it out.  Oldest trick in the police playbook is to give you conflicting orders so they have an excuse to arrest you. 

"Clear this area, you can't be here."

"Don't move until we tell you to, stay here while we call this in."  

what the fuck is a functioning adult supposed to do with those two commands?  And now they shifted to "swept up accidentally" as their excuse.  When you look behind them at the other intersection, there's a total of about 40 officers just standing around (between the Target and the Aldi stores).  If those guys were running through a riot area and just grabbing people to arrest and these guys were caught up in that, then yes...I could see "swept up accidentally."  But the CNN crew are literally the only 4 non-police people for a full city block+ in every direction.  And the 40-50 officers who aren't doing anything have nothing else to do but notice their credentials and move them to another area.  But nope, gotta arrest these guys before we can make any progress on the Floyd case.  Yep fellas, it was CNN the whole time...they hinder our Judicial Process!  

Keith Ellison is gonna have the badge of the arresting officers and their direct report/C.O.  They arrested a black reporter on live television for no reason.  Even their union reps are gonna roll their eyes like, "Seriously Bob?  During a race riot?  And his name is Omar, and he's from Baltimore?  Holy fuck, It's impossible you're this stupid."  

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4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

About 30 seconds before they put the cuffs on him, he's holding out his credential with his right hand to the officers just out of frame in front of him (viewer's right).  Presumably it was around his neck and he held it out farther for them to see.  Also, the giant camera with the giant CNN logo may have also been a giveaway to the police.  They made every attempt to move out of the way but the officers also told them not to move and hang tight while they figured it out.  Oldest trick in the police playbook is to give you conflicting orders so they have an excuse to arrest you. 

"Clear this area, you can't be here."

"Don't move until we tell you to, stay here while we call this in."  

what the fuck is a functioning adult supposed to do with those two commands?  And now they shifted to "swept up accidentally" as their excuse.  When you look behind them at the other intersection, there's a total of about 40 officers just standing around (between the Target and the Aldi stores).  If those guys were running through a riot area and just grabbing people to arrest and these guys were caught up in that, then yes...I could see "swept up accidentally."  But the CNN crew are literally the only 4 non-police people for a full city block+ in every direction.  And the 40-50 officers who aren't doing anything have nothing else to do but notice their credentials and move them to another area.  But nope, gotta arrest these guys before we can make any progress on the Floyd case.  Yep fellas, it was CNN the whole time...they hinder our Judicial Process!  

Keith Ellison is gonna have the badge of the arresting officers and their direct report/C.O.  They arrested a black reporter on live television for no reason.  Even their union reps are gonna roll their eyes like, "Seriously Bob?  During a race riot?  And his name is Omar, and he's from Baltimore?  Holy fuck, It's impossible you're this stupid."  

My understanding is the cops were in front of the camera crew, and there were protesters in between them.  The cops advanced and moved their line to the intersection you see in the video, the protesters scattered, and the CNN crew was suddenly behind the police line.  They didn't run with the protesters, they just stood there while the cops swept through.  Then the cops doubled back to the crew and arrested them.  Its all very dumb and some dumb low level cops will probably get strongly worded notes over it because they were told to arrest everyone from this line to that line.  The reporter said he asked the cop why he was getting arrested and the cop replied "I'm just following orders."  

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1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

The reporter said he asked the cop why he was getting arrested and the cop replied "I'm just following orders."  

Thanks for the analysis.  I had to emphasize that last part because history tells us where that line of thinking frequently takes humanity.  

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3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

This CNN arrest footage is unreal. Fucking A. Whatever happened to the United States?

What happened is that it's over.  We're done.  We had a decent run, but we have now affirmatively chosen to be a shithole, corrupt banana republic.  

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Thanks for the analysis.  I had to emphasize that last part because history tells us where that line of thinking frequently takes humanity.  

Oh no doubt, and one would hope that this would spark something in the minds of other officers.  Better start brushing up on the law and understanding the difference between a lawful order and getting suckered into breaking the law and fucking yourself.  4 officers got fired because 1 guy put his knee on the neck of a handcuffed guy.  Any of them could have done the right thing and pulled him off, but decided to back their fellow officer.  These cops decided to follow an order and break a reporter's first amendment rights, and hopefully they get fucking hammered too.  We don't allow regular citizens ignorance of the law as an excuse to break it, cops should be held to an even higher standard because they are supposed to uphold the law.  If they break it, they should get double whatever punishment a regular citizen would.  They need to fear repercussions more than they do black people.   

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18 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Befehl ist Befehl.

Just remember, the political cult that runs this country has been all-in on "papiere, bitte" laws for years now.  And we continue to construct cage camps for undesirables.  Run by an administration staffed by unqualified cast-offs, many of them driven by single-minded loathing of immigrants/"the other."  Led by a megalomaniac bonafide psychopath.

I mean....come the fuck on.   It's not even debatable anymore.  We are what we obviously appear to be.

Remember when we could at least argue that we were the "Shining city on a hill?"  Today....we're a cautionary tale, and the greatest threat to the peace and stability of the entire planet.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Just remember, the political cult that runs this country has been all-in on "papiere, bitte" laws for years now.  And we continue to construct cage camps for undesirables.  Run by an administration staffed by unqualified cast-offs, many of them driven by single-minded loathing of immigrants/"the other."  Led by a megalomaniac bonafide psychopath.

I mean....come the fuck on.   It's not even debatable anymore.  We are what we obviously appear to be.

Remember when we could at least argue that we were the "Shining city on a hill?"  Today....we're a cautionary tale, and the greatest threat to the peace and stability of the entire planet.

Which President put those cages to use first? Ferguson and Baltimore burned under the leadership of a black President and black AG. Give me a break

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Which President put those cages to use first? Ferguson and Baltimore burned under the leadership of a black President and black AG. Give me a break

That President and AG tried to take the tiniest steps to fixing the conditions that resulted in the unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore. In response, racist morons like you lost their shit and elected the white supremacist psychopath who openly bragged about restoring the conditions that led to the unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore and encouraged police brutality. Eat shit, fuck off, go fuck yourself, etc. 

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That President and AG tried to take the tiniest steps to fixing the conditions that resulted in the unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore. In response, racist morons like you lost their shit and elected the white supremacist psychopath who openly bragged about restoring the conditions that led to the unrest in Ferguson and Baltimore and encouraged police brutality. Eat shit, fuck off, go fuck yourself, etc. 

 What steps did he take?

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 What steps did he take?

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-baltimore-chicago-police-2016-story.html

Under Obama, the Justice Department aggressively pursued police reforms. Will it continue under Trump?

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Baltimore City Police Commissioner Kevin Davis and Mayor Catherine Pugh announce a consent decree with the Justice Department Jan. 12.
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By JAWEED KALEEMNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT 
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3:30 AM

After the Department of Justice recently issued a scathing report saying police in the country’s third-largest city routinely violated the Constitution by using excessive force against residents, many activists cheered for the inevitable reforms — and federal oversight — they expected to follow.

The findings on Chicago officers set the stage for the city to negotiate a court-enforced agreement with the federal government, called a consent decree, to change how it polices while officials in Washington keep tabs. Police reform advocates applauded a similar pact Justice officials recently announced with Baltimore after the department found that city’s officers discriminated against blacks.

Some police say the government has been heavy-handed, and that its agreements with cities have cost too much and taken too long to implement. Some activists say the agreements, which often require extra training in use of force and better tracking of personnel issues, don’t go far enough. 

But over the nearly 20 years the Justice Department has gone to court to force changes in police agencies in more than two dozen cities, the results have largely been positive, according to data and criminologists.

“Having been in policing for 34 years, consent decrees certainly do work,” said Ronal Serpas, a criminal justice professor at Loyola University New Orleans who was the city’s police chief in 2012 when it signed on to ongoing reforms. “These agreements give you a road map, though it doesn’t mean things change with the snap of a finger.”

In Baltimore, a pending agreement with the Department of Justice that awaits court approval was announced amid ongoing tensions over the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who died from a spinal cord injury after his arrest in 2015. Among other things, the pact would require a community oversight task force for police in addition to officer training in deescalation and implicit bias.

But while the Justice Department rushed to release its Chicago report and make its Baltimore announcement in the waning days of Barack Obama’s presidency in hopes of ensuring reforms, experts say the road ahead is unclear in the Trump administration.

“There can be backsliding,” said Samuel Walker, a former University of Omaha criminal justice professor who specializes in police accountability. “One thing it often depends on is who is leading police and how much they invest in change.”

 

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On the national level, that’s the attorney general, the top law enforcement official.

Under Obama, the Justice Department entered into agreements with 12 police departments, four times as many as under President George W. Bush.

Trump’s pick for attorney general, Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, said during his confirmation hearing that current decrees with police departments would “remain in force until and if they are changed,” adding that they were not “necessarily a bad thing.”

But Sessions also said there’s “concern that good police officers and good departments” get punished because of a few bad ones.

In 2008, he had stronger words. Consent decrees are “dangerous,” he wrote, calling them “exercises of raw power” that “constitute an end run around the democratic process.”

Serpas, who left New Orleans police in 2014, said that he understood concerns but that “if policing improves in the end, it’s certainly worth it.”

In its investigation of Serpas’ officers, the Justice Department said they had a pattern of racial profiling, excessive force and unconstitutional stops and arrests. In a September report, an outside monitor described a “remarkable turnaround” in how police worked with sexual assault victims and praised body camera efforts. The monitor also said police still needed to do more to improve community relations.

Experts say it’s too early to assess the results of consent decrees signed in recent years for cities such as Cleveland, or Ferguson, Mo., where the police shooting of Michael Brown fueled the Black Lives Matter movement.

An independent lawyer hired to monitor Ferguson’s progress said last month that the city had missed recent deadlines to set up new policies in basic policing issues but was still acting in “good faith” toward improvements, such as through a new policy on use of force and an ordinance from the city to create a civilian review board to look at police misconduct complaints. 

While many pacts are set up for five years — with the costs of outside monitoring footed by the cities — they can be extended to last much longer if officers don’t improve. In Oakland, police have worked for 13 years under monitoring stemming from findings of racial profiling and police brutality.

Congress gave the federal government the power to police local law enforcement departments in 1994, after national outrage grew over the 1991 beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles. The law lets the government sue local police if they don’t comply with reforms.

It was 1997 before Pittsburgh became the first city to enter a consent decree after the American Civil Liberties Union filed suit over police abuses. The results there have been mixed. Use of force has gone up and down over the years, and a series of high-profile incidents, including a 2012 shooting of an unarmed black man that left him paralyzed, have tarnished the department’s image.

Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, pointed to a Department of Justice agreement with Los Angeles as a model.

The city was under monitoring for 12 years after investigations by the Justice Department over civil rights violations, including routine false arrests and excessive force. The agreement, which ended in 2013, pushed for better training of officers and tracking of misconduct, among other requirements. 

In a 2009 review, Harvard criminal justice professors found the “quality of enforcement activity” among police had improved, with stops more frequently leading to arrests, and arrests more frequently leading to charges. Public approval had also gone up, with residents saying they were less fearful of crime and more trusting of police. Still, black and Latino residents were more likely than whites to say they were unsatisfied, and protests over police tactics and shootings have persisted.

“The process with these can move much more slowly than the public demand,” said Wexler. “But often they achieve real results.”

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The footage from that is nuts. A bunch of faceless cops all holding wooden bats circling the reporting crew who are literally live on air and showing their credentials and complying with the cops were all arrested. 

And then the city police tweeted out an "lol our bad" and lied about the sequence of events saying the reporters never gave credentials and got "swept up accidentally". Cops gonna cop, they like wearing the boots so they can step on your neck easier

The reporter is literally on camera holding out his credentials, and stating multiple times "hey, we'll go where you want us to go, just tell us where".  He and his crew were surrounded, they had nowhere to go and were clearly happy to leave if just given safe passage.

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If they can arrest those journalists for doing nothing and complying, and then say "oopsie poopsie sowwie!" Then why haven't they arrested that murdering cop?

You don't need a have guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to make a fucking arrest. All you need is probable cause and reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred. After that, you can ammend/add/remove charges or drop it all together. 

The DA won't even take the first step to book him. Because he wants an airtight case before even an arrest. Different set of rules once you get a shiny star on your chest

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