Minneapolis is Burning

[GRHorn 105]

14 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Does grief not take destructive forms?

Also, who is CHAZ "hostile"? Seems insanely chill.

 

Imagine a group of right wing agitators clearing out a police precinct, blocking off some borders, harassing reporters. 

Insanely chill. Lol 

[bolverk 30231]

8 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Imagine a group of right wing agitators clearing out a police precinct, blocking off some borders, harassing reporters. 

Insanely chill. Lol 

Looks a lot more "insanely chill" than what the Bundys tried to pull off over in Oregon.

[GRHorn 105]

#InsanelyChill

 

 

[Brisketexan 106618]

4 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

#InsanelyChill

 

 

Dude.....you don't get to cite Andy Ngo and not get negged.  I generally don't neg in here, but someone should.  He's literally a verified liar and collaborator with the Proud Boys bunch.

[Chuckie Finster 22978]

4 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

#InsanelyChill

 

 

The only person on the planet who I trust less than Trump to accurately portray the situation is Andy Ngo.

[wildcat09 29556]

6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

#InsanelyChill

 

 

Lofl, you’re linking goddamned Andy Ngo tweets?

[elguapo 4620]

13 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

#InsanelyChill

 

 

Gotdam what a fucking pussy you are

[DigDug 1735]

Fook  off ya dumbass fake doctor 

[bolverk 30231]

Okay. Here's the link to the actual local news story Mr. Ngo took clips from to misconstrue the situation. That quote from the police chief is referring to response times to that general part of the city because the precinct is closed, and, undoubtedly, they have slowed. But she was not referring to the CHAZ as a place where rapes and murders are happening. Also, unmentioned by Ngo, is that the reporter in that story also is showing video of the cops reoccupying the precinct station and mentions that the protesters are allowing them in there. So, yeah, the YouTube clip is total bullshit.

Just watch the unedited, original story and it's not nearly the sinister chaotic scene shown above. And, as a matter of fact, the video does make the zone look #insanelychill. It's a short newsclip, and the contrast between the portrayal of the situation is stark.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/chief-best-says-response-times-now-three-times-longer-east-precinct/DTHBLRXE6ZG2NBCSK7HJP6OSHA/

@GRHornDo your fucking work to verify the shit you post.

Edit: By posting this, you have revoked your right to ever complain about "media bias" ever again. Because that was flat out disinformation and propaganda.

Edited June 12, 2020 by bolverk

[TXSG8R 3362]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

 

Imagine a group of right wing agitators clearing out a police precinct, blocking off some borders, harassing reporters. 

Insanely chill. Lol 

Did you actually watch the video?  The tweet isn't how it went down at all.  The reporter was asked a question by Anderson Cooper about what the response would be if the president "goes in".  The reporter says its peaceful, but as an aside states Washington is an open carry state, so if the president sends troops in, there could be bloodshed.  It had nothing to do with the singular weirdo that tried to interrupt the shot.  

[Brothahorn 10096]

 

 

 

[Brothahorn 10096]

35 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Okay. Here's the link to the actual local news story Mr. Ngo took clips from to misconstrue the situation. That quote from the police chief is referring to response times to that general part of the city because the precinct is closed, and, undoubtedly, they have slowed. But she was not referring to the CHAZ as a place where rapes and murders are happening. Also, unmentioned by Ngo, is that the reporter in that story also is showing video of the cops reoccupying the precinct station and mentions that the protesters are allowing them in there. So, yeah, the YouTube clip is total bullshit.

Just watch the unedited, original story and it's not nearly the sinister chaotic scene shown above. And, as a matter of fact, the video does make the zone look #insanelychill. It's a short newsclip, and the contrast between the portrayal of the situation is stark.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/chief-best-says-response-times-now-three-times-longer-east-precinct/DTHBLRXE6ZG2NBCSK7HJP6OSHA/

@GRHornDo your fucking work to verify the shit you post.

Edit: By posting this, you have revoked your right to ever complain about "media bias" ever again. Because that was flat out disinformation and propaganda.

Now do Cnn, Msnbc, Fox, Abc, Cbs, Nbc..

[GRHorn 105]

26 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Okay. Here's the link to the actual local news story Mr. Ngo took clips from to misconstrue the situation. That quote from the police chief is referring to response times to that general part of the city because the precinct is closed, and, undoubtedly, they have slowed. But she was not referring to the CHAZ as a place where rapes and murders are happening. Also, unmentioned by Ngo, is that the reporter in that story also is showing video of the cops reoccupying the precinct station and mentions that the protesters are allowing them in there. So, yeah, the YouTube clip is total bullshit.

Just watch the unedited, original story and it's not nearly the sinister chaotic scene shown above. And, as a matter of fact, the video does make the zone look #insanelychill. It's a short newsclip, and the contrast between the portrayal of the situation is stark.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/chief-best-says-response-times-now-three-times-longer-east-precinct/DTHBLRXE6ZG2NBCSK7HJP6OSHA/

@GRHornDo your fucking work to verify the shit you post.

Edit: By posting this, you have revoked your right to ever complain about "media bias" ever again. Because that was flat out disinformation and propaganda.

Well it’s an autonomous zone, not one street. I’m sure CNN would’ve preferred to not have their shot interrupted and their reporter scurrying around nervously if they could’ve helped it. Maybe they should’ve shot on that chill street. 
 

Yes. They allowed them in there to clean up, it appears. I wonder what would happen if they attempted to do anything close to their job?

As for the rest, here are the quotes. 

Reporter “She says since her office packed up and left, 911 response times have gone up by more than 300% in the surrounding neighborhoods”

cut to police chief “Rape, robbery and all sorts of violent acts have been occurring in the area and we’re not able to get to them. It is not a right for us to not be able to deploy our officers here.”

So you’re correct, it doesn’t seem as cut and dry as the clip intended, but she doesn’t exactly specify which area she is discussing. CHAZ or the surrounding ones. She doesn’t say we aren’t able to “deploy our officers as fast as needed,” like you would think if she was talking about the surrounding areas. They are not “able to deploy our officers here.” 
 

In any case, what appears to be certain is CHAZ actions are negatively affecting the city services (including fire and ems potentially, those are 911) for a larger portion of the city, causing an unknown increase in morbidity and mortality for them.
 

Y’all are right. It’s just like Eeyore’s birthday except they forced the cops out and trashed the office and if you live in the area and need help you might be fucked. 
 

Totally chill and not hostile. 

[bolverk 30231]

6 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Now do Cnn, Msnbc, Fox, Abc, Cbs, Nbc..

I'm happy to criticize any media outlet that completely fabricates a story. In this particular case, Ngo is very well known (or should be) for creating disinformation and propaganda with intent to deceive the audience.

You're more than welcome to call me out anytime I post something like this. It's okay. I can take it.

[wildcat09 29556]

13 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Now do Cnn, Msnbc, Fox, Abc, Cbs, Nbc..

Comparing Andy Ngo to any news source is absurd. He's literally a propagandist for a white power gang.

[GRHorn 105]

15 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Did you actually watch the video?  The tweet isn't how it went down at all.  The reporter was asked a question by Anderson Cooper about what the response would be if the president "goes in".  The reporter says its peaceful, but as an aside states Washington is an open carry state, so if the president sends troops in, there could be bloodshed.  It had nothing to do with the singular weirdo that tried to interrupt the shot.  

Of course I watched it. Reporter was a little shook for the totally chill situation that was going down. 

[bolverk 30231]

6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Well it’s an autonomous zone, not one street. I’m sure CNN would’ve preferred to not have their shot interrupted and their reporter scurrying around nervously if they could’ve helped it. Maybe they should’ve shot on that chill street. 
 

Yes. They allowed them in there to clean up, it appears. I wonder what would happen if they attempted to do anything close to their job?

As for the rest, here are the quotes. 

Reporter “She says since her office packed up and left, 911 response times have gone up by more than 300% in the surrounding neighborhoods”

cut to police chief “Rape, robbery and all sorts of violent acts have been occurring in the area and we’re not able to get to them. It is not a right for us to not be able to deploy our officers here.”

So you’re correct, it doesn’t seem as cut and dry as the clip intended, but she doesn’t exactly specify which area she is discussing. CHAZ or the surrounding ones. She doesn’t say we aren’t able to “deploy our officers as fast as needed,” like you would think if she was talking about the surrounding areas. They are not “able to deploy our officers here.” 
 

In any case, what appears to be certain is CHAZ actions are negatively affecting the city services (including fire and ems potentially, those are 911) for a larger portion of the city, causing an unknown increase in morbidity and mortality for them.
 

Y’all are right. It’s just like Eeyore’s birthday except they forced the cops out and trashed the office and if you live in the area and need help you might be fucked. 
 

Totally chill and not hostile. 

I don't doubt that CHAZ has affected city services and emergency response times in that part of town, and I stated as much in my OP on the subject. If that were the point of NGO's post, I wouldn't have had any problem with it because...logic.

My problem is that he deliberately edited the news story to make the police chief sound like she was describing the zone as a Hamsterdam-like situation.

[GRHorn 105]

Just now, bolverk said:

I don't doubt that CHAZ has affected city services and emergency response times in that part of town, and I stated as much in my OP on the subject. If that were the point of NGO's post, I wouldn't have had any problem with it because...logic.

My problem is that he deliberately edited the news story to make the police chief sound like she was describing the zone as a Hamsterdam-like situation.

When you read the transcribed quotes it’s not as clear cut as you say either. 

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

Since we're talking about the Seattle PD:

 

[bad_teammate 13479]

Quoting Andy Ngo who is quoting cops. Bitch fucking eat shit and die.

[wildcat09 29556]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Since we're talking about the Seattle PD:

 

Oh look, they got the bullshit claim they had to retract from Andy Ngo!

[GopherRock 1773]

Meanwhile, back in Minnesota...

I guess Paul Gazelka really doesn't like his chamber of the Legislature under Republican control. 

[Brisketexan 106618]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

#InsanelyChill

 

 

Oh, it gets better.

Marcus S is one of Ngo's sock accounts.  So, Ngo is creating a fake "eyewitness report" with a sock, then amplifying it as a "reporter."  

GR....please, PLEASE keep using Ngo as a source.  It can only end well for you.

Fucking moron.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Social media and cable television has amplified the 'uncredentialed' voices as reporters of news such as the self-educated Ngo.  It existed before those sources, but it was a little easier to suss out. The Twitter check mark fools people because they don't always know what the checkmark means.(you are the person you say you are, but other than that, you can identify your job as a Highland cow in your bio and still get a checkmark).  Educated news consumers are familiar with bias, but this is a little like the National Enquirer attempting to portray itself as a news agency instead of a horoscope peddler and alien sighting aggregate.

GrHorn--I am listening/reading your perspective, but others are correct with checking 'who is saying what.' The Guardian had a former editor write a really good book on how social media and cable news did a number on their business. Immediacy has trumped (no pun intended) accuracy. Be careful out there, it's the wild west of information.

[bad_teammate 13479]

Punching Nazis works. De-platforming works.

Huge respect to the people on the streets. Middle fingers to the fascists. Yawns to the pundits.

 

[Tuco 5093]

1 hour ago, Brothahorn said:

Now do Cnn, Msnbc, Fox, Abc, Cbs, Nbc..

Is that your defense for posting bullshit?  No "mea culpa."  No "I should vet my sources better."  You just decide to defend the bullshit you post by blaming biases you perceive in media.  CNN is not the shitstain here, you are. Own up. 

Republicans claiming to be the party of personal responsibility is almost as absurd as them claiming to be fiscal conservative or Christian.  

Edited June 12, 2020 by Tuco

[Bama Chick 28596]

Speaking of media pulling some bullshittery....

[Brisketexan 106618]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Punching Nazis works. De-platforming works.

Huge respect to the people on the streets. Middle fingers to the fascists. Yawns to the pundits.

 

Summary: please stop people from using completely legal means to make it really hard for me to be a Nazi!

Legal response: tough shit.  You remain free to stop being a Nazi.

[Nivek 17330]

Nvm

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20834]

9 hours ago, BradInATX said:

It's amazing how terrified a bunch of tough guy conservative white guys are of a rag tag group of stoned hippies having a drum circle over a few blocks. Seems like y'all might need to get your T-levels checked and up your dosages.

I recommend not ever going to the greenbelt for you folks. At least not without your anxiety pills.

 

 

 

 

Seems apropos. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

GRENADE LAUNCHERS?

Sweatergawd, I suppose Deputy Custer that wants to outwit THE ANTIFA will surely pause before pressing the 'go' button on one of those? Maybe stop and consider collateral damage if it hits a child 800 meters away? (not sure of the distance on one of those, it varies right?) That is sure to de-escalate any problems.

I love the way these LAW AND ORDER folks are loading up on ammo and military gear. Who was it used to scream about Jade Helm?

[bad_teammate 13479]

For tear gas, I'm sure.

boys with toys

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Property can be replaced. People have but one life to live. State sponsored violence is not the answer.

[bolverk 30231]

I think it's kinda important to point out that these purchases are being made to prepare for riots in Midland, Texas.

Let me repeat that. They are purportedly concerned about Antifa-led riots in Midland, Texas.

Edited June 12, 2020 by bolverk

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

I mentioned Antifa as part of the joking reference to the NextDoor/Facebook stories. There is an activist group protesting there, but I believe the article mentioned they are protesting the arrest and charges against an African American man and BLM has a protest planned (or had one already). So, I'm to blame for inserting antifa in the convo.

[Brothahorn 10096]

[GRHorn 105]

FWIW I dont agree with everything in here.

Also, is it really a UCB professor? Impossible to know, but from having a family member that's a Professor at the University with similar political beliefs to myself, I can verify that the same atmosphere that only allows approved thought is present in Austin.  No surprise there.

https://medium.com/@soumynona_/anonymous-letter-from-uc-berkeley-professor-in-response-to-black-lives-matter-protests-24a66a6f1ca7

Spoiler

Dear profs X, Y, Z

I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.

In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.

In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.

Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or ‘Uncle Toms’. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.

The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.

A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email.

Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black. Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries. And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department’s apparent desire to shoulder the ‘white man’s burden’ and to promote a narrative of white guilt.

If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it’s fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. “Those are racist dogwhistles”. “The model minority myth is white supremacist”. “Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime”, ad nauseam. These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.

Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM’s problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.

I personally don’t dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.

The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.

No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald’s and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.

The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn’t led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices — as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.

Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the ‘systemic racism’ there was built by successive Democrat administrations.

The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you. The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.

There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called ‘race hustlers’: hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.

Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist. MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?

As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.

And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species. I’m ashamed of my department. I would say that I’m ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It’s hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.

It shouldn’t affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.

The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites. No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.

I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party’s uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd’s death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.

I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.

 

[bad_teammate 13479]

Coward.

[GRHorn 105]

24 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Coward.

Who? The author? I mean I get your point, but you’re also one of the most inflammatory rabble rousers on this site full of pseudonymous posters, so maybe we should all take a look in the mirror on that one. 

[HenryJames 67116]

[Fudge Nuggets 19407]

9 hours ago, GRHorn said:

 

Imagine a group of right wing agitators clearing out a police precinct, blocking off some borders, harassing reporters. 

Insanely chill. Lol 

No, your kind just overthrows state legislatures without recourse.

[Fudge Nuggets 19407]

8 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Of course I watched it. Reporter was a little shook for the totally chill situation that was going down. 

He shuffled over about ten feet.  Yeah, total hiding in the bunker fear exhibited there.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19407]

7 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Punching Nazis works. De-platforming works.

Huge respect to the people on the streets. Middle fingers to the fascists. Yawns to the pundits.

 

Imagine growing up in a privileged white family, going to Colgate, UVA, University of Chicago, and Duke (i.e. career student) and having fuck all to show for it other than being an absolute shit stain on society.  That takes real skills.  There should be some sort of lesson attached to this level of failure.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Fudge Nuggets

[Huckleberry 34407]

2 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

 

I have a major MAJOR problem with this sign.

Usually the right fist is held aloft, not the left.

[Huckleberry 34407]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

 

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Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black. Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men?

 

It took until the 6th paragraph for this word diarrhea to attempt a point but here it is. And it failed miserably.

News flash, the criminal justice system absolutely is biased against men. So thanks for proving the point? The criminal justice system is biased against both black people and men. Now imagine what it does to black men.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Huckleberry

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1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Who? The author? I mean I get your point, but you’re also one of the most inflammatory rabble rousers on this site full of pseudonymous posters, so maybe we should all take a look in the mirror on that one. 

I don't consider myself inflammatory or a rabble rouser, but happy to call you a coward despite being one of the last Trump supporters to post on the CR. 

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And there is still the completely cowardly lack of follow-through on thought. Ok, so you recognize that not all minorities are equally disadvantaged. You even recognize the Nigerian immigrants do better than US-born African Americans. But wait, if it's not systemic racism, then tell me, WHY is it they US-born African Americans are disadvantaged? Something in the culture, something in the genes, something else? If it is not systemic racism, please, I would love to hear the explanation. Is it really just the democratic party as the author suggests?

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7 hours ago, Tuco said:

Is that your defense for posting bullshit?  No "mea culpa."  No "I should vet my sources better."  You just decide to defend the bullshit you post by blaming biases you perceive in media.  CNN is not the shitstain here, you are. Own up. 

Republicans claiming to be the party of personal responsibility is almost as absurd as them claiming to be fiscal conservative or Christian.  

Nobody really thinks Republicans are the party of personal responsibility. Nobody really thinks Republicans are fiscally conservative.

And nobody with a brain thinks that Republicans are Christians.

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21 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

I don't consider myself inflammatory or a rabble rouser, but happy to call you a coward despite being one of the last Trump supporters to post on the CR. 

Pseudonymous handle toting internet tough guy calls somebody a coward. 🙄