Brennan Eagles taking a stand

[Funk Doctor Spock 12459]

I don't really have anything to contribute that hasn't been said 1000 times, but good for Brennan. If he doesn't play I'm ok with that. This is bigger than a game. 

[Armybrat 40861]

Prioritizing his life in this manner should serve as a positive influence for a lot of young people no matter what race.

One thing I’ll credit Mack Brown for was the locker room statement he made after the 2006 Rose when he said (paraphrasing) “Don’t let this be the high point of your life - there are other things more important than football”.  Maybe someone can post his exact words. 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Armybrat
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[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

On 6/5/2020 at 2:55 PM, Tex Long said:

Nonsense. First, "admit" is improper here. You need that to be "agree", unless it is actually an attempt at division.

Second, the ratio of bad cops to all cops is more like 5-10%, and closer to 5 than to 10, which fits very well with psych research which finds that socio-/psycho-paths constitute about 6% of the populace at large.

The problem is that the affected individuals are found in higher ratios in the upper levels of nearly all organizations, from politics to corporate offices, including police. That seems to be because the lack, or even absence, of that voice of conscience which most of us have, is what allows them to fuck over anyone and anything standing in their way and still sleep soundly. Those are the "successful"  socio/psycho-paths - the failures wind up in prisons.The 80% or so of good (or not-so-bad) cops are mostly "followers" and will go along with their superiors. When those superiors are themselves good guys, everything's more or less copacetic, but when the superiors are themselves bad guys, way too many in the whole department tends to be that way and/or keep their mouths shut if they want to keep on copping.

Disagree, or don't. I don't know to fix it, but not letting the assholes get to the top is part of it, however you do that. I will say that we need fewer laws, not more cops. Start by putting an end to the bullshit War on Drugs, prolly be a good step, but I dunno if the Prison-Industrial bidness would let that happen.

Three cops stood there and watched this dude kneel on this guys neck for ten mins. You’re vastly underestimating how many prejudice cops there is. 5-10% is laughable 

[Tex Long 4417]

Just now, A’Dam Psycho said:

Three cops stood there and watched this dude kneel on this guys neck for ten mins. You’re vastly underestimating how many prejudice cops there is. 5-10% is laughable 

You can't even count, how can anyone take your estimates seriously? 

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

You can't even count, how can anyone take your estimates seriously? 

Well since you wanna change the subject, how many minorities are gonna have to say cops are shitty for you to believe there’s a systematic problem? Or are millions of minorities making it up?

[Tex Long 4417]

6 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Well since you wanna change the subject, how many minorities are gonna have to say cops are shitty for you to believe there’s a systematic problem? Or are millions of minorities making it up?

WTF are you babbling about? Nobody is changing the subject but you... well, you're trying to change the subject, but you can't even do that.

All you've done is shown that you not only can't count, you don't even know the difference between "systemic" and "systematic". 

Run along now - maybe go play in traffic or something.

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

WTF are you babbling about? Nobody is changing the subject but you... well, you're trying to change the subject, but you can't even do that.

All you've done is shown that you not only can't count, you don't even know the difference between "systemic" and "systematic". 

Run along now - maybe go play in traffic or something.

Still refusing to answer the question. Cool story.

[Js1 85468]

16 hours ago, Royal With Cheese said:

You seem to know a lot about the KKK. Just saying.

Yeah like no one knows white hoods = KKK. Need a PhD in history for such knowledge. 🙄

[Tex Long 4417]

13 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Still refusing to answer the question. Cool story.

The pending question is the one I asked you. Here, let me refresh your memory:

You can't even count, how can anyone take your estimates seriously? 

So?

[Armybrat 40861]

9 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah like no one knows white hoods = KKK. Need a PhD in history for such knowledge. 🙄

Well, ever since the country went to self-serve gas stations, most of the white population hasn’t interacted much with the kkk culture.

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

8 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

The pending question is the one I asked you. Here, let me refresh your memory:

You can't even count, how can anyone take your estimates seriously? 

So?

“yOuZ kAnT eVeN cOuNt”
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/03/us/george-floyd-officers-charges/index.html

[Tex Long 4417]

1 minute ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

“yOuZ kAnT eVeN cOuNt”

Apparently, you'va already forgotten the question. Here, let's try again:

You can't even count, how can anyone take your estimates seriously? 

[Tex Long 4417]

Look, no offense, but Miz Long just told me to get my ass into the dining room, on account of I've got a big ol' bowl of Elk stew with a side of some of the best damn deviled eggs ever made, and the last couple of beers from Elevation Brewery. Maybe later, 'k?

 

 

 

 

Learn to count.

 

 

 

Please?

[DanTheHorn 4939]

On 6/4/2020 at 1:51 PM, landman said:

The news reports on this read a little differently:

FORT WORTH -- A 31-year-old man fatally shot by police early Friday after officials say he swung a metal rod at officers has been identified as Joey Ellis. The shooting occurred shortly after 3 a.m. after officers were called to a disturbance at the Great Western Inn in the 1800 block of Lancaster Avenue. There, police said, Ellis told officers he had broken windows to several vehicles because the manager would not give him a room for free. Ellis was being escorted to a patrol car for further investigation when he broke free and attempted to run, said Lt. Abdul Pridgen, police spokesman. Pridgen said officers attempted to subdue Ellis using a Taser and a baton, but the man continued to resist arrest, picking up a cinder block as if he was going to hurl it one officer and later trying to remove an officer's gun from its holster. Pridgen said the man had picked up a metal rod and was swinging it in a threatening manner at the officers when he was shot by officers E. Pate, 34, and M.E. Anderson, 26.

Not sure what the final report was...still, wonder why they never seem to get shot in the leg to get them down.   

Yea and Buffalo police said this about shoving a 75 year old guy.

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Buffalo Police Department initially said in a statement that, during a “skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-police-said-protester-head-wound-tripped-fell-video-shows-lied/

[DanTheHorn 4939]

On 6/4/2020 at 8:11 PM, Burntcowboy said:

Is he saying he doesn’t like the player who wears 12, or is he saying he’s marching with more than 12 

 

Some say police, urban dictionary says DEA. I prefer to believe:

[Hornius Emeritus 12480]

6 hours ago, Tex Long said:

You can't even count, how can anyone take your estimates seriously? 

 

I believe he's right when he said that three cops stood and watched this other cop murder a man. Four total.

[futureman 22517]

so what exactly has to happen between now and september for brennan to be on the field at DKR against USF?  I want us to win some goddamn ballgames this fall and we need our playmakers on the field.  what has to happen?  what do we need to do?

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

4 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

Yea and Buffalo police said this about shoving a 75 year old guy.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-police-said-protester-head-wound-tripped-fell-video-shows-lied/

Honestly at this point I assume if there is any dispute regarding use of force by a cop the cop lied at this point. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice on me, fool me however many times in the past 10 years or so we've had a video prove the cops lied, won't get fooled again.

Edited June 7, 2020 by TheFlyingBoat

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

So...new neg rep champ?  

[NoctambulantBrobdingnagian 530]

On 6/4/2020 at 8:37 PM, Burntcowboy said:

I was negged for saying all cops aren’t bad. That’s fuckin dumb as hell. 

hey, chuckles

do the 'good' cops EVER do anything about the bad cops?

except, of course, protect them

[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

agree... It sounds great and wonderfully politically correct to support BLM.  BLM has been taken over by terrorist, Marxist, and anarchist such as the black panthers. 

Wow....might as well throw the Weathermen and SDS in your goulash of 1960's paranoia


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[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

7 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

I believe he's right when he said that three cops stood and watched this other cop murder a man. Four total.

The irony of attempting to make a smart ass comment about counting and being completely wrong. I was trying to ignore his question so he wouldn’t continue to make an ass of himself but oh well. Of course he’s gonna ignore this post completely 

[HtownHorn 14758]

On 6/5/2020 at 12:23 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said:

How many of those being vocal now would have been disgusted if there was no national outcry and rioting?

Not sure, but his one would still be alive.

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

2 hours ago, NoctambulantBrobdingnagian said:

hey, chuckles

do the 'good' cops EVER do anything about the bad cops?

except, of course, protect them

I dunno, man. Some of 'em try, but you really do have to be willing to go through some serious shit if you want to be a successful whistleblower.

[Tex Long 4417]

9 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

I believe he's right when he said that three cops stood and watched this other cop murder a man. Four total.

I got yer four cops, right here (if this gigantic link works...)

 

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.cnbcfm.com%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Fimage%2F106562107-1591121674517200528-user-video-george-floyd-arrest-death-snip-ac-1045p_55e550298d1d9829ec8f3cbe32b0adea-fit-1120w.focal-760x428.jpg%3Fv%3D1591287377%26w%3D678%26h%3D381&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F06%2F03%2F3-more-cops-charged-in-george-floyd-death-other-officers-murder-charge-upgraded.html&tbnid=0JebfeRt3OByZM&vet=12ahUKEwi7pu6Mpe7pAhUIMM0KHefFCuUQMygYegUIARCDAg..i&docid=N83PiJooPrdd2M&w=678&h=381&q=image george floyd cops&ved=2ahUKEwi7pu6Mpe7pAhUIMM0KHefFCuUQMygYegUIARCDAg

In addition, the bad (by many definitions) cops number four out of four, which is not only more than 5-10%, it's more than 75%, so errbody wrong, it's all cops.

Grrrr...

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Tex Long

[markstanco 12586]

Has he said what needs to happen for him to play?

Good for him on his stance on this, but I'm not sure what good this will do. He doesn't have the stage a trevor Lawrence or Justin fields has, hell, there are casual texas fans that probably doesn't know who Brennan is.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21913]

I dunno, man. Some of 'em try, but you really do have to be willing to go through some serious shit if you want to be a successful whistleblower.

They don’t have to be a whistleblower. If one of the other three cops in Minneapolis had just grabbed the one by the shoulder and said hey man move your knee your killing him on video then we might be in a completely different place now

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

1 minute ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

They don’t have to be a whistleblower. If one of the other three cops in Minneapolis had just grabbed the one by the shoulder and said hey man move your knee your killing him on video then we might be in a completely different place now

Well, sure, but that's not nearly as funny as a topical gif.

[satyanash 14581]

Chip Brown: To understand Brennan Eagles, understand where he's been

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AUSTIN, Texas - A white Texas alum and football season ticket holder asked me yesterday, “You think Brennan Eagles will come around?” And I found myself saying, “Maybe … if more people think of him as a black man first and a football player second.” Eagles, a  junior-to-be who is Texas’ top returning receiver, posted on his social media Wednesday night: “ … I’m not going to play another snap knowing what's going on in our society due to color and the system being broken... I just can't …”

To understand where Eagles is coming from, it’s probably important to remember where Eagles has been. From the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin in 2013 to watching George Floyd choked to death under the knee of a white Minneapolis police officer for nearly nine minutes on video, Eagles has grown up with the Black Lives Matter timeline.

Eagles has watched Colin Kaepernick go from a quarterback who reached the Super Bowl with the San Francisco 49ers to being banished from the league after taking a knee during the national anthem to draw attention to police brutality against the black community. For most of his childhood, including most of his teenage years, Eagles grew up with a black president in the White House. And then listened to President Trump say he wished NFL owners would tell Kaepernick and anthem protestors to, "Get that son of a bitch off the field" because they're disrespecting the American flag.

If you want to prove to my black brothers and sisters you completely fail to understand Kaepernick's actions, make it about the flag. Eagles has watched LeBron James, a transcendent black athlete and NBA megastar, speak up against social injustice. Eagles is also aware of how important football is to paying the bills of college athletics. He's also aware the majority of student-athletes playing college football are black.

"Okay, so for all my brothers out there that are student-athletes, do you really think athletics should be a main focus right now during this time that we live in?" Eagles wrote on his social media. "At the end of the day if that's the main focus, I find you blind to the fact your platform can change this. Thousands of people come to watch for entertainment. Revenue is built from that. Money is generated from us."

Eagles went on to say, "I'll be dam(n)ed if you think I'll play another snap with the platform I have that effects the majority of people that contribute to the sport who don't actually play. Know your value is all I'm saying."

Texas teammate Caden Sterns asked what if it was your child or your brother or your sister who was restrained, face-down with Chauvin’s knee on their neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds - the final two minutes and 53 seconds after your child or loved one had become unresponsive? Wouldn’t you be angry enough or motivated enough to at least pick up the phone or send an email to city leaders, the police chief or the local police union leader to make sure action is being taken so the death of your loved one and other similar deaths across the country don’t continue to happen?

 

[Iceman 2724]

On 6/4/2020 at 10:13 AM, SDG said:

Good; as much as I would be disappointed if athletes walked off this season these guys need to use what ever leverage they can to level the playing field both socially and economically.  As a poster above said, some things are just bigger.   

If some of those guys quit football, there is zero chance they are continuing school.  Not all of them, but a significant portion, for sure.

 

Education and employment are the two vehicles by which social mobility is achieved in the big picture of things.   I don't understand the looting( jobs in your own community) in this way, and I damned sure don't get giving up on football( education.)

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Iceman

[futureman 22517]

2 hours ago, markstanco said:

Has he said what needs to happen for him to play?

I don’t think anyone knows. 

[Tex Long 4417]

23 minutes ago, futureman said:

I don’t think anyone knows. 

Including Mr. Eagles

[futureman 22517]

17 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

We can’t sit on the sidelines anymore. 

what exactly does this mean?  what do I differently today?  

[TreatyOak 16401]

36 minutes ago, futureman said:

what exactly does this mean?  what do I differently today?  

Well, you can start by celebrating the courageous, anonymous posters who continue to educate us about their beliefs about non-related football topics on the Surly football thread.  

[mdmost 43014]

Tired bit is tiresome. 

[dec3169 504]

14 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

I believe he's right when he said that three cops stood and watched this other cop murder a man. Four total.

Honestly I think he was referencing the "10 minutes" when it was 8 mins 46 seconds I believe.  Best guess I have.

[USNALonghorn 5078]

1 hour ago, futureman said:

what exactly does this mean?  what do I differently today?  

That’s pretty much where I’m at on this topic. I firmly believe that most of the level headed posters on here already would have spoken up and intervened in the presence of racist or ignorant behavior, especially in the workplace. Now there’s just a higher sense of urgency as we hit a tipping point. 

[Tex Long 4417]

6 minutes ago, dec3169 said:

Honestly I think he was referencing the "10 minutes" when it was 8 mins 46 seconds I believe.  Best guess I have.

Did the link not work? It goes to a picture which shows the scene from the other side. It shows three cops kneeling on Floyd and one standing around. Yes, I've noticed that fucking near errbody has seen only Chauvin kneeling on the neck, while his BIL and two others are standing around, watching. I just grabbed the first version I could find, after seeing it originally the day or next after it happened, and copying the URL gave one of the most god-awful lengthy shitpiles I've ever  come across... here it is, again:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.cnbcfm.com%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Fimage%2F106562107-1591121674517200528-user-video-george-floyd-arrest-death-snip-ac-1045p_55e550298d1d9829ec8f3cbe32b0adea-fit-1120w.focal-760x428.jpg%3Fv%3D1591287377%26w%3D678%26h%3D381&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F06%2F03%2F3-more-cops-charged-in-george-floyd-death-other-officers-murder-charge-upgraded.html&tbnid=0JebfeRt3OByZM&vet=12ahUKEwi7pu6Mpe7pAhUIMM0KHefFCuUQMygYegUIARCDAg..i&docid=N83PiJooPrdd2M&w=678&h=381&q=image george floyd cops&ved=2ahUKEwi7pu6Mpe7pAhUIMM0KHefFCuUQMygYegUIARCDAg

 

I was just giving the dipshit who was blathering about 75% "bad cops" some grief, good-naturedly, I thought. He was responding to my post about socio-/psycho-paths being roughly 6% of the entire population (say 5% to 10% generally), and theorizing that since such people tend to wind up either at upper levels of whatever profession or in jail, that the "bad cops" are in that range, with the rest (maybe 80%, allowing for over-representation of psychos at the top)  being basically "followers" who go along with what their Fearless Leaders tell them to do. If that leadership is infested by socio-/psycho-paths, most of that PD goes along with it. I think that situation is fixable, but not easily - good leadership likely would result in better policing, but there are serious changes needed to the whole Policing Paradigm.

[atomheartbevo 89771]

On 6/7/2020 at 12:58 PM, futureman said:

what exactly does this mean?  what do I differently today?  

It means that sometimes, you have to take the gigantic butt plug, and shove it up your own ass with your own two hands, rather than having a woman do it while you're being filmed.

Or something about spitting on your hands, hoisting the black flag, and slitting some throats.  Or making some posts.

[jinx 2635]

On 6/7/2020 at 12:58 PM, futureman said:

what exactly does this mean?  what do I differently today?  

It means a lot of things. 

How many black people work for your company?  Have you ever looked to mentor a black person or reach out to black children through Boys and Girls Club or Big Brothers Big Sisters?

It takes admitting that black people are fundamentally disadvantaged based on skin color and history.  It means not saying "yeah, but" when the narrative starts about criminal records or past infractions after another black person dies at the hands of cops.  It involves looking deeper at protests by the Colin Kaepernicks of the world and not dismissing him as simply disrespecting the flag.

I'm not trying to hold a moral high ground, because I have been as guilty as the next white guy in saying "not my problem."  But that is the thing, it is all of our problem.  What each person does about it depends on their situation, but you can make a difference in one way or another.

[MotownHorn 1770]

On 6/4/2020 at 9:50 AM, LTtxfan said:

 

 

I just want to say I was a grad student & TA when Roy was at UT. I shared an office hours space with his TA. During the spring semester of Roy's senior season after his eligibility was exhausted and he was gonna be a top draft pick.

Roy was in office hours more than any other student I've EVER seen in 15 years in higher education. 5 years as a TA, 10 years as an instructor/professor.

It was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. This guy was about to make millions and he was working harder on his academics than any other student I've seen.

I've taught probably 3,500 undergraduate students and observed colleagues working with tens of thousands. Roy was the most dedicated, hardest working one. At a time when he really didn't have to be. Clearly an amazing human being.

[Fondren & Main 6727]

On 6/5/2020 at 8:40 PM, Nope said:

Remember when surly wanted to hire this guy?

 

Hell, I wanted Briles.  Sometimes you fuck up.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Hell, I wanted Briles.  Sometimes I fuck up.

True story.

[LTtxfan 49327]

1 hour ago, MotownHorn said:

I just want to say I was a grad student & TA when Roy was at UT. I shared an office hours space with his TA. During the spring semester of Roy's senior season after his eligibility was exhausted and he was gonna be a top draft pick.  Roy was in office hours more than any other student I've EVER seen in 15 years in higher education. 5 years as a TA, 10 years as an instructor/professor.  It was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. This guy was about to make millions and he was working harder on his academics than any other student I've seen.  I've taught probably 3,500 undergraduate students and observed colleagues working with tens of thousands. Roy was the most dedicated, hardest working one. At a time when he really didn't have to be. Clearly an amazing human being.

 

[Murfdogg21 4419]

Does this open a scholarship for a grad transfer while Brennan takes a protesting sabbatical?

[longhrnfan 61]

So, is he going to sit out or not? 

 

[futureman 22517]

48 minutes ago, longhrnfan said:

So, is he going to sit out or not? 

 

hard to say.  I don’t think he’s given us his list of demands yet. 

[Murfdogg21 4419]

52 minutes ago, futureman said:

hard to say.  I don’t think he’s given us his list of demands yet. 

[BabaYaga 15304]

Some things are bigger than sports.  Bigger than yourself.  Good on him for growing into a principled young man.  This will serve him longer than a uniform.  I have faith in the  program and university and prey that this will make the locker room stronger.  Eagles, and many others are angry right now.  I don't blame them.  Hoping the communication and understanding on the team grows from this.  

[Burt Macklin 19038]

17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Some things are bigger than sports.  Bigger than yourself.  Good on him for growing into a principled young man.  This will serve him longer than a uniform.  I have faith in the  program and university and prey that this will make the locker room stronger.  Eagles, and many others are angry right now.  I don't blame them.  Hoping the communication and understanding on the team grows from this.  

I believe I speak for all of Surly when I say that we would prefer you stopped preying on the locker room to make it stronger. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Burt Macklin