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Our police state needs a complete overhaul – not just incremental reforms here and there. There's been lots of traction on social media about the idea of defunding the police and while it sounds a bit

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I worked a couple years in a courthouse that served primarily a Latino area of town. All criminal fillings were misdemeanors in this particular courthouse. What I saw was a systematic war wa

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Sadly, distributing tanks and humvees to local police department is a much more efficient political transaction than establishing assertive community based mental health care programs. Local police ge

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Hmmm.

So the police department figures out it can do a lot more effective work if it cuts department x and they have nowhere else to put the money, so they voluntarily decide to cut their own budget, and this gets ratified by the city, this means that the city is no longer allowed to change their tax structure?  Hmm, I can't imagine what could go wrong with that proposal.

Oh it just occurred to me another real possibility, especially for smaller poor towns.  Those that have a police force of 1-5, but can't really afford it, and want to allow the county to do the policing, now will have to choose between either trying to figure out how pay for that police force at the current levels forever or else they will lose their ability to make anything up in tax revenue in the future.  They clearly didn't think this through.

Make sure you are giving money to those democratic house candidates.

Here are all the races that finished within 10% last time around.  Flip some of those the R's won last time, and hold the ones the Dems won lsat time and we have a Dem house in Texas. Money, especially to those that the dems lost by 5% or less, will help make sure that happens and that this proposal goes nowhere.

Chamber Office Democratic Republican Dem Lost by <10%
House District 26 L. Sarah DeMerchant Jacey Jetton 4.97% (3,255 Votes)
House District 28 Elizabeth Markowitz Gary Gates (i) 8.41% (6,879 Votes)
House District 45 Erin Zwiener (i) Carrie Isaac Dems won by 3.2%
House District 47 Vikki Goodwin (i) Justin Berry Dems won by 4.8%
House District 52 James Talarico (i) Lucio Valdez Dems won by 3.5%
House District 54 Likeithia Williams Brad Buckley (i) 7.69% (3702 Votes)
House District 64 Angela Brewer Lynn Stucky (i) 8.37% (5730 Votes)
House District 65 Michelle Beckley (i) Kronda Thimesch Dems won by 2.3%
House District 66 Sharon Hirsch Matt Shaheen (i) .55% (378 Votes)
House District 67 Primary runoff results pending Jeff Leach (i) 2.27% (1650 Votes)
House District 92 Jeff Whitfield Jeff Cason 2.43% (1446 Votes)
House District 93 Lydia Bean Matt Krause (i) 7.79% (4450 Votes)
House District 94 Alisa Simmons Tony Tinderholt (i) 8.63% (5,324 Votes)
House District 96 Joe Drago David Cook 3.68% (2,361 Votes)
House District 97 Elizabeth Beck Craig Goldman (i) 8.4% (5534 Votes)
House District 102 Ana-Maria Ramos (i) Linda Koop Dems won by 5.8%
House District 105 Terry Meza (i) Gerson Hernandez Dems won by 9.5%
House District 108 Joanna Cattanach Morgan Meyer (i) .57% (220 Votes)
House District 112 Brandy Chambers Angie Chen Button (i) 2.15% (1,140 Votes)
House District 113 Rhetta Andrews Bowers (i) Will Douglas Dems won by 7%
House District 121 Celina Montoya Steve Allison (i) 8.54% (6,199 Votes)
House District 126 Natali Hurtado E. Sam Harless (i) 9.69% (5,366 Votes)
House District 132 Gina Calanni (i) Mike Schofield Dems won by .2%
House District 134 Ann Johnson Sarah Davis (i) 6.41% (5,678 Votes)
House District 135 Jon Rosenthal (i) Justin Ray Dems won by 3.2%
House District 136 John Bucy III (i) Mike Guevara Dems won by 9.6%
House District 138 Akilah Bacy Lacey Hull .15% (47 Votes)
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Bad news is your water/sewer bill will be increasing in its place.

Seriously though I lean from middle to right and certainly support the police, but their budgets are crazy. Their retirement plans are beyond crazy. Many of their leaders are out of touch. Its the one lever cities/people have on them. Abbott's just given them even more power (and money) to abuse.... Just can't get behind this plan at all.

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1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Bad news is your water/sewer bill will be increasing in its place.

Seriously though I lean from middle to right and certainly support the police, but their budgets are crazy. Their retirement plans are beyond crazy. Many of their leaders are out of touch. Its the one lever cities/people have on them. Abbott's just given them even more power (and money) to abuse.... Just can't get behind this plan at all.

Ok this gave me the workaround.

I can't decrease your budget, so your budget is x.  Be prepared because 10 years from now your budget will still be x.  This year you can have no more than y% of your staff carrying weapons, that number will decrease over the next 10 years.  You can spend no more than z% of your budget on new weapons, to include ammunition and tactical vehicles.  You must spend at least c% on improving your standing with historically oppressed groups/neighborhoods and you must spend at least d% on things like social workers, negotiators, and other trained staff to help you better de-escalate situations.  The things that help you to de-escalate will need to be documented because those are the areas of your business that will see incremental growth as we ramp down your ability to pay for armed staff and weaponry.  

I've now started down the path of successfully doing what needs to be done without touching the overall budget.  

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Or just look up Ramsey interview with Al Franken.  It's a good interview.  Ramsey talks about policing preferences and also that you can't expect police to not be racist when a large part of society is racist.  He talks about more training and different kinds which are preventative.  He feels like the police officers who have done some of these killings that have have been publicized recently should be prosecuted and talks about Qualified Immunity, which protects police.  There's not going to be an easy answer for this any of this but he was chief in Chicago, DC and Philly.  I remember him in DC and always thought he was a good chief.  I don't always agree with what he says but it's a lot to talk about in an hour.   

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cops shoot 13 year old autistic boy who was having an episode:

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/xandr/police-shoot-13-old-boy-142149519.html

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Golda Barton said she called police and asked for a crisis intervention team because her son was having a mental breakdown. 

The mother said she told officers that her son, who has Asperger's, needed to be transported to the hospital for treatment. "This is how to deal with people with mental health issues. So, you call them, and they're supposed to come out and be able to deescalate a situation using the most minimal force possible," Barton told KUTV.

"I said, 'He's unarmed, he doesn't have anything, he just gets mad and he starts yelling and screaming. He's a kid, he's trying to get attention, he doesn't know how to regulate,'" Barton said.

 

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cops shoot 13 year old autistic boy who was having an episode:

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/xandr/police-shoot-13-old-boy-142149519.html

 

So for all our “social workers for bank robberies” idiots, a question; would a social worker be better suited for this type of call or are we still pretending police should do this work?

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18 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So for all our “social workers for bank robberies” idiots, a question; would a social worker be better suited for this type of call or are we still pretending police should do this work?

This one absolutely upsets me a lot. I do not have many words that would be of any use right now. This is ridiculous on a level that is hard to fully comprehend. The young man has autism and he gets shot because he is communicating in a way where a trained professional was needed. Instead the mother calls the police and they show up guns blazin’. I am not happy with the mother here either. Why in the world would you call the police when you know your child has autism? This is quite literally the last thing you should do, especially if someone has what used to be labeled Asperger’s (If you still call it that please do not. The man it was named after was not a good guy and I will leave it at that).

Putting a kid in that situation with someone not trained in how to properly respond was like throwing gasoline on a bonfire. You do not, EVER, put a child like this in a situation with a new variable they are not expecting, this is especially so when the variable yells at you (BIG MISTAKE to do that to this kid), makes demands of the kid (You guessed it, another gigantic mistake) and then shoots when the kid is non-compliant and runs. This is horrific to see happen and it should take around, oh I don’t know, the time it took to write this message to fire the officer or officers that shot him and charge them with attempted murder.  
 

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This one absolutely upsets me a lot. I do not have many words that would be of any use right now. This is ridiculous on a level that is hard to fully comprehend. The young man has autism and he gets shot because he is communicating in a way where a trained professional was needed. Instead the mother calls the police and they show up guns blazin’. I am not happy with the mother here either. Why in the world would you call the police when you know your child has autism? This is quite literally the last thing you should do, especially if someone has what used to be labeled Asperger’s (If you still call it that please do not. The man it was named after was not a good guy and I will leave it at that).

Putting a kid in that situation with someone not trained in how to properly respond was like throwing gasoline on a bonfire. You do not, EVER, put a child like this in a situation with a new variable they are not expecting, this is especially so when the variable yells at you (BIG MISTAKE to do that to this kid), makes demands of the kid (You guessed it, another gigantic mistake) and then shoots when the kid is non-compliant and runs. This is horrific to see happen and it should take around, oh I don’t know, the time it took to write this message to fire the officer or officers that shot him and charge them with attempted murder.  
 

Just remember, diverting any of the funds cops spend on tools and training of violence to mental health services and professionals is a "war on cops," and makes you anti-American, anti "LAW AND ORDER!," etc.

We have cops who shoot autistic kids because that's the way we want it.  When any effort to address that issue gets utterly shit on and decried as evil liberal anti-american socialist communist anti-cop badness.....we have made clear that this is the way we want it.  We want armed, trigger-happy agents of the state to respond to every problem.  And we want the expected results of that approach.

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4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

Here you go blue lives matter supporters. Your heroes shot a 13 year old with autism because of course they did. His picture needs to be here and be seen. This is Linden Cameron from Glendale, Utah. This is sickening.
 


 

 

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

So for all our “social workers for bank robberies” idiots, a question; would a social worker be better suited for this type of call or are we still pretending police should do this work?

Shit, if armed police in Glendale can't handle an unarmed 13 year old maybe they'd be better off sending social workers.  

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10 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I want to say some witty here, but this one really tugs at me man. I called a friend and we talked about it and he had read the story already and was as unhappy as I was with what happened. 

They all fucking tug at us, man.  Or they should.

Every person shot by the cops is a human being.  Every one of them.  When someone gets shot, it's a fucking tragedy in some way, always.  PARTICULARLY when the person is mentally ill, has some other personal challenge, etc.  It doesn't have to be this way.  It shouldn't be this way.  But as a society, we fight tooth and nail to keep it this way.  It's fucking cruel, sick, and evil.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They all fucking tug at us, man.  Or they should.

Every person shot by the cops is a human being.  Every one of them.  When someone gets shot, it's a fucking tragedy in some way, always.  PARTICULARLY when the person is mentally ill, has some other personal challenge, etc.  It doesn't have to be this way.  It shouldn't be this way.  But as a society, we fight tooth and nail to keep it this way.  It's fucking cruel, sick, and evil.

Every last one should bother us and should lead us to a solution that doesn’t involve someone trying to execute a 13 year old that is desperately trying to communicate feelings of angst and anxiety. We do make the choice you said time and again. It is frustrating that we do not want to do the right thing because doing the right thing means hard work. I mean who has time for the hard work of police reform when we can just let them continue to shoot at whatever and whomever they please?

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Just now, Nivek said:

See, they're not racist, they just like killing people/pets/well everything!

I want to /insert surly poster that would agree with that statement, but there are too many to choose from. I don’t even believe those cowards will step up to the plate and defend this shooting. 

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So for all our “social workers for bank robberies” idiots, a question; would a social worker be better suited for this type of call or are we still pretending police should do this work?

All of those idiots are too chicken shit to post on this board.

Need to go to their safe space over on the DT to ask them.
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12 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I want to /insert surly poster that would agree with that statement, but there are too many to choose from. I don’t even believe those cowards will step up to the plate and defend this shooting. 

I was going to attempt to sign off for some surly posters, but I couldn't limit this response to under 4.

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1. Hold police accountable for their actions.  Be fair and just for the citizen AND the cop.

2. When it's a breakdown of process or expectations, fire the leadership.  Fort Hood just got a new C.O. for the base and it's because shit happened under his predecessor's  watch.   I don't hear of that happening with the police.  I don't care about chasing unions or challenging( reasonable) funding.   Go after the leaders if you want expectations( accountability) to change.

 

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28 minutes ago, slorch said:

1. Hold police accountable for their actions.  Be fair and just for the citizen AND the cop.

2. When it's a breakdown of process or expectations, fire the leadership.  Fort Hood just got a new C.O. for the base and it's because shit happened under his predecessor's  watch.   I don't hear of that happening with the police.  I don't care about chasing unions or challenging( reasonable) funding.   Go after the leaders if you want expectations( accountability) to change.

 

How can the police be held accountable when the man, ultimately in charge of law enforcement encourages them to rough up suspects?  How can they be held accountable when their is a political party determined to remove all accountable from them and to socialize all of damages?  How can their be accountability when  they are encouraged to harm people, cover for one another at all costs, and nothing happens when they blatantly lie?  How can their be accountability when they work with and the people that are supposed to prosecute them for their crimes?  In other words, typing the equivalent of thoughts and prayers is just empty posturing.  

Your second section highlights a simplistic thinking.  Twenty-eight service members have died at Fort Hood, 5 homicides, and the base averaged ~130 felonies committed by soldiers each year from 2014-2019.   Clearly this is a problem that extends beyond one man.    When the police shot up those ladies delivering newspapers, driving a car that looked nothing like the automobile of Chris Dorner, they all should have been removed from the police for such callous and wanton disregard of public safety.  Not just the leader.  Punishment

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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:

How can the police be held accountable when the man, ultimately in charge of law enforcement encourages them to rough up suspects?  How can they be held accountable when their is a political party determined to remove all accountable from them and to socialize all of damages?  How can their be accountability when  they are encouraged to harm people, cover for one another at all costs, and nothing happens when they blatantly lie?  How can their be accountability when they work with and the people that are supposed to prosecute them for their crimes?  In other words, typing the equivalent of thoughts and prayers is just empty posturing.  

Your second section highlights a simplistic thinking.  Twenty-eight service members have died at Fort Hood, 5 homicides, and the base averaged ~130 felonies committed by soldiers each year from 2014-2019.   Clearly this is a problem that extends beyond one man.    When the police shot up those ladies delivering newspapers, driving a car that looked nothing like the automobile of Chris Dorner, they all should have been removed from the police for such callous and wanton disregard of public safety.  Not just the leader.  Punishment

My word of accountability most definitely equals your word of punishment , when applicable.  I didn't mean to exempt the everyday officer from sanction/ prosecution.

 

I do feel much of the bullshit and "oopsie's we kilt someone" would be gone if the leadership faced tougher expectations and stopped being allowed to treat some of these incidents as one-offs.  They aren't.

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Our fan base is completely soft. Like Texas has been for a decade now. 😂😂😂 Don't speed or be smart enough to see the cop idiot. You did it. Own it. Can't afford it don't speed. Simple. Defund the police. Extra bullshit this fan base needs. Wanna talk about in justice. College players who could been amazing in nfl are forced to play years with no pay just to make it to the big leagues. But get career ending injuries. Well they got a college education. 😂😂😂 

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