The CHAZ

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Please tell us aNother fairy tale uncle BT.  

[After irth 1243]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Where do you think this "group of nitwits" came from? The moon? They're Americans in America. The fact that you see CHAZ as something actually distinct from America marks you as a FOXNews rube.

CHAZ had its committees and meetings and hearings and all this informal structure to guide actions based on collective principles. And it was messy and ugly, yes.

However, the idea that civilization won by disbanding CHAZ is completely laughable. As you reference, CHAZ exists because police forces murder with impunity and then enact mass violence against people who gather to hold them to account.

Nothing was won here. There is no victory in CHAZ being disbanded. I am far more encouraged by a failed experiment in collective action than I am by the re-establishment of a failed authoritarian state system, but that's likely because "huh huh cop hit hippie with stick!" doesn't make me clap like a mouth-breathing seal.

Obligatory:  username checks out. 

[workswithseed 2033]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Where do you think this "group of nitwits" came from? The moon? They're Americans in America. The fact that you see CHAZ as something actually distinct from America marks you as a FOXNews rube.

CHAZ had its committees and meetings and hearings and all this informal structure to guide actions based on collective principles. And it was messy and ugly, yes.

However, the idea that civilization won by disbanding CHAZ is completely laughable. As you reference, CHAZ exists because police forces murder with impunity and then enact mass violence against people who gather to hold them to account.

Nothing was won here. There is no victory in CHAZ being disbanded. I am far more encouraged by a failed experiment in collective action than I am by the re-establishment of a failed authoritarian state system, but that's likely because "huh huh cop hit hippie with stick!" doesn't make me clap like a mouth-breathing seal.

There was, the people who work and live there don't need to show id to go work and and live there. Unless you think it's okay to do such draconian things.

[bad_teammate 13131]

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

There was, the people who work and live there don't need to show id to go work and and live there. Unless you think it's okay to do such draconian things.

Before I determine how much I give a shit about that I'd want to know how much the actual residents of the area cared. Or whether or not that is a real thing you're even talking about (how widespread, enforced, etc...).

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

seems like an obvious point, yet we didn't see many interviews with these residents or business owners.....we did however see their class action lawsuits

Mystery may never be solved

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5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Before I determine how much I give a shit about that I'd want to know how much the actual residents of the area cared. Or whether or not that is a real thing you're even talking about (how widespread, enforced, etc...).

Yes yes business owners love not g more than. armed mobs run g the streets, mobs breaking I twi their businesses, people shitting on their front stoops, Not being g able to have customers come thru their doors cause they don't have CHAZ ID cards, garbage strew all over the glorious CHAZ. Do you even have a job do you actually work ?

Yep yer right business owners love that shit...

[bad_teammate 13131]

20 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yes yes business owners love not g more than. armed mobs run g the streets, mobs breaking I twi their businesses, people shitting on their front stoops, Not being g able to have customers come thru their doors cause they don't have CHAZ ID cards, garbage strew all over the glorious CHAZ. Do you even have a job do you actually work ?

Yep yer right business owners love that shit...

I never said they did love those things. I don't know what was actually happening or have evidence of what they thought of the situation. The one time someone tried to provide evidence they ended up proving that they were actually lying/exaggerating and I think your breathless exasperation here is just cover for lack of solid ground to stand on, like a child escalating the stakes of an argument because the child lacks confidence.

Definitely ugly, but the way you guys get so melodramatic and evidence-free in your descriptions of what was going on just makes you sound weak and dishonest.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

I never said they did love those things. I don't know what was actually happening or have evidence of what they thought of the situation. The one time someone tried to provide evidence they ended up proving that they were actually lying/exaggerating and I think your breathless exasperation here is just cover for lack of solid ground to stand on, like a child escalating the stakes of an argument because the child lacks confidence.

Definitely ugly, but the way you guys get so melodramatic and evidence-free in your descriptions of what was going on just makes you sound weak and dishonest.

You really should be living in Venezuela. That seems more like your cup of tea.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Srujan and his fiancée live in a building that borders Cal Anderson Park, which has been packed with protesters for weeks. 

"We're not even here most of the time. I'm scared to live here. It's just not conducive," he said. "What you want from a home is a stress-free environment. You want to be able to sleep well, you want to feel comfortable and we just don't feel comfortable right now."

So the couple is leaving the area for now. They’ll stay with family for the next week. 
 

 

https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/frustrated-residents-near-seattles-chop-zone-want-their-neighborhood-back/281-b4c94c67-9183-4c8f-91ef-7371c86fe5f7

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Seattle businesses sued the city Wednesday over the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP), claiming the occupation led to unsafe conditions and violence in the neighborhood.

 

The class action lawsuit stated that the city's decision to "abandon and close off an entire city neighborhood" to police, fire and medical services "subjected businesses, employees and residents of that neighborhood to extensive property damage, public safety dangers and an inability to use and access their properties."

"The City has enacted a policy under which police will not enter the CHOP area except during life-and-death emergencies, and, even in those situations, the response is, at best, muted and late," according to the suit. It specifically cited the June 20 shooting in the CHOP zone that left one person dead and stating that police arrived 20 minutes after the shooting due to the occupation.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/seattle-businesses-residents-sue-after-violence-chop-autonomous-zone-1513383

[Spankytoes 1735]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Where do you think this "group of nitwits" came from? The moon? They're Americans in America. The fact that you see CHAZ as something actually distinct from America marks you as a FOXNews rube.

CHAZ had its committees and meetings and hearings and all this informal structure to guide actions based on collective principles. And it was messy and ugly, yes.

However, the idea that civilization won by disbanding CHAZ is completely laughable. As you reference, CHAZ exists because police forces murder with impunity and then enact mass violence against people who gather to hold them to account.

Nothing was won here. There is no victory in CHAZ being disbanded. I am far more encouraged by a failed experiment in collective action than I am by the re-establishment of a failed authoritarian state system, but that's likely because "huh huh cop hit hippie with stick!" doesn't make me clap like a mouth-breathing seal.

Do you have anything to back up that police forces murder with impunity?

[workswithseed 2033]

25 minutes ago, Axiom of Choice said:

The only way to achieve your communist utopian delusions would be through extreme authoritarianism.  People aren't just going to cede over the means of production because of message board ranting.     

[ajax 2586]

Protesters in Portland torched a statue of an elk.

 

[bad_teammate 13131]

36 minutes ago, Axiom of Choice said:

The only way to achieve your communist utopian delusions would be through extreme authoritarianism.  People aren't just going to cede over the means of production because of message board ranting.     

Sir, this is a Wendy's

34 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Do you have anything to back up that police forces murder with impunity?

Is this a serious question?

Elijah McClain
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd (before riots forced their hand, but odds are high the officers will walk)
Eric Garner

and on and on and on and on and on

[workswithseed 2033]

21 minutes ago, ajax said:

Protesters in Portland torched a statue of an elk.

 

I'm glad I live north of the river. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

So it was a racist elk?

[MillerEP 30339]

Yeah e-l-k is too close to m-l-k, so it had to go since its culturally appropriating half the letters.

[BayouBill 835]

10 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So it was a racist elk?

Are their any other kind?

[Spankytoes 1735]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Sir, this is a Wendy's

Is this a serious question?

Elijah McClain
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd (before riots forced their hand, but odds are high the officers will walk)
Eric Garner

and on and on and on and on and on

So “no” then? We’ll go with “no” instead of your bullshit statement, that includes 4 people, and speculation that officers in Floyd’s case will walk. There was a total of 2 black people, not just men, killed last year in America that were unarmed and didn’t resist arrest.

Thank you sir. You’ve completed my “I’m a complete fucking moron” checklist.

Yep, total epidemic. Tear down statues and change more names. Black America is under attack. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Spankytoes

[Walser 1104]

5 minutes ago, BayouBill said:

Are their any other kind?

*they're

[BayouBill 835]

3 minutes ago, Walser said:

*they're

Damn

[workswithseed 2033]

4 minutes ago, Walser said:

*they're

Are they are any other kind?

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

*they're

*there

[Armybrat 40710]

36 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Yeah e-l-k is too close to m-l-k, so it had to go since its culturally appropriating half the letters.

2/3

[Paco 1926]

I had an iguana named Boutros Boutros Ghali.

[Incredulity 11541]

55 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Yeah e-l-k is too close to m-l-k, so it had to go since its culturally appropriating half the letters.

Two thirds, but we’ll allow the point to stand.

Edited July 3, 2020 by Incredulity
All hail AB

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

So now that the powers that be want to regulate you aggy fucks to hell and back, an Chaz no longer exists, what are ya gonna cling to now?  

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Sir, this is a Wendy's

Is this a serious question?

Elijah McClain
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd (before riots forced their hand, but odds are high the officers will walk)
Eric Garner

and on and on and on and on and on

Duncan Lemp

Tony Timpa

Timothy Smith

William Lennon

Ryan Bolinger

Derick Cruice

Daniel Elrod

Ralph Willis. 
 

I could go on and on

Edited July 3, 2020 by ChickenSandwich

[Deej 76524]

1 hour ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So it was a racist elk?

Never been to an Elk's Club, I take it.

 

[Incredulity 11541]

5 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

So now that the powers that be want to regulate you aggy fucks to hell and back, an Chaz no longer exists, what are ya gonna cling to now?  

Drinking again?  You gonna have this one deleted too?

[EuroHorn 3204]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Drinking again?  You gonna have this one deleted too?

Foghorn leghorn might make an appearance 

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

7 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

So now that the powers that be want to regulate you aggy fucks to hell and back, an Chaz no longer exists, what are ya gonna cling to now?  

Rely on facts, data and common sense, not believe every internet slogan. You know. Human shit. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

Yes, I’m going to have this one deleted. I wield that much power. You need to sterilize yourself, ya fucking fool.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

I’m sorry your timbers are so shivered, oh my.  I’m not governing shit.  I think you need to take things up with your elected officials.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

How do you reconcile a mask mandate with an asshat who refuses to wear one?  Mask or not?  Trump?  No trump?  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

Chicken sandwich has disease.  Salmonella. 

[Incredulity 11541]

Seems sober

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

5 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Chicken sandwich has disease.  Salmonella. 

[Pimphand 5590]

What the complex compound whatever the fuck gibberish them aggys say is going on in here?

[zork 629]

1 hour ago, Pimphand said:

What the complex compound whatever the fuck gibberish them aggys say is going on in here?

[bad_teammate 13131]

3 hours ago, Spankytoes said:

So “no” then? We’ll go with “no” instead of your bullshit statement, that includes 4 people, and speculation that officers in Floyd’s case will walk. There was a total of 2 black people, not just men, killed last year in America that were unarmed and didn’t resist arrest.

Neither being armed nor resisting arrest are capitol offenses nor are police the executioners of the state.

Stephon Clark

Philando Castile

Alton Sterling

Tamir Rice

Freddie Gray

For more generalized information, compare killings by US police to killings by UK police and killings by Canadian police.

USA: ~1200/year (328M)
UK: ~3/year (67M population) (~15/year adjusted)
Canada: ~26/year (38M ) (~180/year adjusted)

The American pigs are out of control. They are the largest street gang in the nation and, by number, probably the entire world. Undoubtedly the most well-funded.

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Yep, total epidemic. Tear down statues and change more names. Black America is under attack. 

I'm glad you're seeing the light.

[blacklab 11843]

would  you dumbfucks stop engaging the trolls?

judge, bad teammate go back to the cloakroom or you're taking some time off

[RDCanecutter 26246]

16 hours ago, MillerEP said:

Yeah e-l-k is too close to m-l-k, so it had to go since its culturally appropriating half the letters.

7/8 of the letters. Get the hell out of here with your elitist counting/calculating/sorting/judging/oppressing system.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

15 hours ago, blacklab said:

would  you dumbfucks stop engaging the trolls?

judge, bad teammate go back to the cloakroom or you're taking some time off

Shaking the tree here, boss, nothing to see, move along.  

[Trey3216 15325]

On 7/2/2020 at 10:00 AM, bad_teammate said:

It was an autonomous zone. Meaning: An area that was operating without official government intervention.

Anyone arguing that it was intended to be something like a formal city-state needs to explain why they think that, because it didn't come from CHAZ. 

I literally just explained that. I'll do it again.

"...it was always destined to be under extreme pressure due to the situation that surrounds it. We have shootings at these zones due to homelessness, mental illness, and gangs."

The murder of young black men is an American symptom and CHAZ exists(ed) within America. A zone within a city cannot be immune from the diseases of that city, or city from state, or state from nation.

I know you guys are very eager to find dunks on your hated opponents, but you don't actually care about the kid that was murdered.

Destined to fail at what?

Change forum name to "Lee Greenwood Choir"?

Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia and a host of other countries say hi 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

8 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia and a host of other countries say hi 

You left out Salt Lake City.

[Brothahorn 10085]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Shaking the tree here, boss, nothing to see, move along.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

3 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

Sorry if some shit makes you uncomfortable, Karen.  Maybe texags is the website for you.  

Edited July 3, 2020 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Brothahorn 10085]

6 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Sorry if some shit makes you uncomfortable, Karen.

Doesn't bother me at all, Chad. But apparently you feel some type of way.