The CHAZ

[workswithseed 2033]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

What will happen to me if I get caught crossing illegally?

Well, legally it wouldn't be illegal. 

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

2 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

There is some serious selection bias going on there. Nigerians with the means to immigrate here are going to come from the very top of their society. You think wealth inequality is bad here (well you probably don’t but never mind that) Nigeria takes it to the extreme. So those that get here are already at a huge advantage compared to their less fortunate countrymen. 

Absolutely spot on. 

Also, not being poor in America is pretty simple conceptually- don’t do poor people things- do middle class people things and you can become middle class. 

In practice though how the fuck do you teach someone with no modeling and support system to do middle class things? My wife is from a rural area in Texas with a ton of poor white people- it doesn’t look much different with choices and outcomes than in disadvantaged urban areas. No solid parenting. No infrastructure. No modeling of positive behaviors to help avoid actively bad outcomes. 

The racism that exists here is more prevalent than I’d have imagined say, 5 years ago but I don’t think it’s dispositive or the reason for bad outcomes based upon skin color as the Nigerian group shows. They are the cream of the crop that have come over here and they have educated, intact family homes and infrastructure that many (most?- I don’t honestly know the numbers) American born blacks don’t have. 

And that’s of course a historical legacy from Jim Crow and slavery, but more problematic was the decimation of the American born black family that started to really get ugly in the 1960’s. 

I have zero fucking clue how any of it gets solved. I mean- societally in large numbers. On an individual case by case basis I don’t think it’s probably all that complicated. Mentors. People actively engaged in helping model and provide social contacts for upward movement. But precious few people probably have the time or inclination for that, and truly I don’t know how you go about doing that without the thought you are taking down to or condescending to the target of help- is it wanted and appreciated?  

The. Iberians essentially bring a plug and play support system to America that enables success that’s not replicated through communities. 

If it’s any comfort to people who want to hand waive away the black experience as not being indicative of racism in America I think solving the same problem for poor kids of meth addled losers in bumfuck Mississippi is equally hopeless, so there’s that. 

My dream someday is to have an 8 figure net worth that throws off $1,000,000 or so a year and give all that money away- 20k at a time, in an investment and mentorship targeted kind of way. After my kids are gone and that race is done. But even that’s just throwing starfish back in the water on the beach. 

I don’t think there’s any other way that works. It’s hard and messy and time consuming. We don’t do that well around here. 

[ztejas 43260]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

It'll kill more hippies than shampoo.

That's honestly a lot better than some of the shit I've heard within that genre. I mean the lyrics and the guitar solo are pretty awful but the song has decent structure and rhythm to it.

[blacklab 11843]

Guys, this thread is about Chaz.

If you want to discuss fixing the police or racism please create a new thread.

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

22 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Guys, this thread is about Chaz.

If you want to discuss fixing the police or racism please create a new thread.

Sorry. My fault. I love the Chaz. Responded and got down a rabbit hole. Long line CHAZ and better yet Chaz 2.0. I hope we some day (like tomorrow morning maybe) see the line of demarcation like north and South Korea. Then we can send Rodman in to see if he can’t fix it up and make it CHAZ again. 

[Armybrat 40710]

Central Austin is a larger, but paler, imitation of CHAZ.

[Fudge Nuggets 19144]

2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Absolutely spot on. 

Also, not being poor in America is pretty simple conceptually- don’t do poor people things- do middle class people things and you can become middle class. 

In practice though how the fuck do you teach someone with no modeling and support system to do middle class things? My wife is from a rural area in Texas with a ton of poor white people- it doesn’t look much different with choices and outcomes than in disadvantaged urban areas. No solid parenting. No infrastructure. No modeling of positive behaviors to help avoid actively bad outcomes. 

The racism that exists here is more prevalent than I’d have imagined say, 5 years ago but I don’t think it’s dispositive or the reason for bad outcomes based upon skin color as the Nigerian group shows. They are the cream of the crop that have come over here and they have educated, intact family homes and infrastructure that many (most?- I don’t honestly know the numbers) American born blacks don’t have. 

And that’s of course a historical legacy from Jim Crow and slavery, but more problematic was the decimation of the American born black family that started to really get ugly in the 1960’s. 

I have zero fucking clue how any of it gets solved. I mean- societally in large numbers. On an individual case by case basis I don’t think it’s probably all that complicated. Mentors. People actively engaged in helping model and provide social contacts for upward movement. But precious few people probably have the time or inclination for that, and truly I don’t know how you go about doing that without the thought you are taking down to or condescending to the target of help- is it wanted and appreciated?  

The. Iberians essentially bring a plug and play support system to America that enables success that’s not replicated through communities. 

If it’s any comfort to people who want to hand waive away the black experience as not being indicative of racism in America I think solving the same problem for poor kids of meth addled losers in bumfuck Mississippi is equally hopeless, so there’s that. 

My dream someday is to have an 8 figure net worth that throws off $1,000,000 or so a year and give all that money away- 20k at a time, in an investment and mentorship targeted kind of way. After my kids are gone and that race is done. But even that’s just throwing starfish back in the water on the beach. 

I don’t think there’s any other way that works. It’s hard and messy and time consuming. We don’t do that well around here. 

Your post reminds me of something about Nigerian culture I observed from living there for six years.  They have the strongest family ties you can ever imagine.  I don't want to speak on their behalf, but pretty sure it goes back to their tribalism roots which still run deep in Nigeria to the detriment of a lot of citizens. 

There were a lot of things about Nigeria that most people don't know about that I absolutely loved.  If they could ever get their shit together they have abundant natural resources to build the infrastructure and establish a rule of law to make it one of the best places on earth.  Resources, climate, a society that really values education (at least those that can obtain it), close family values, etc.  Seriously, if they ever got their shit together I would retire there in a heartbeat.  Problem is that will probably never happen.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

So what about people who actually rent/own homes in the CHAZ or have businesses in the CHAZ? Seems like if I'm one of those people, I'm pretty pissed about the CHAZ.

[Fudge Nuggets 19144]

2 hours ago, blacklab said:

Guys, this thread is about Chaz.

If you want to discuss fixing the police or racism please create a new thread.

There was nothing about racism at all in my post, but thanks for the warning.

[blacklab 11843]

Ok, I'll make it simpler for people who feel their posts aren't part of the two threads sidetracking this thread.

If you want to discuss other shit please create a new thread.

[Fudge Nuggets 19144]

2 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Ok, I'll make it simpler for people who feel their posts aren't part of the two threads sidetracking this thread.

If you want to discuss other shit please create a new thread.

Ok, that's cool.

To be honest, I just clicked on notifications where the latest one took me to Wulaw's post and I responded to it.  I didn't see your earlier post talking about keeping it on subject before replying to him.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Fudge Nuggets

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Wonder if the clubs are poppin tonight in CHAZ

[cam4mav 770]

It's basically a political block party, I just hope the purpose stays focused and doesn't fracture.

It's funny/sad/expected seeing the mixed views online both local and across the country. The Seattle sub reddit is updating things on a minute by minute basis by people there, both severely active politically and by younger people just passing through.

Silent protest in Seattle today had a massive turn out too. Proud of my city

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[SDG 3319]

Be cognizant of the source but funny anyway.   Segregation is now good...

 

[SDG 3319]

3 minutes ago, cam4mav said:

It's basically a political block party, I just hope the purpose stays focused and doesn't fracture.

It's funny/sad/expected seeing the mixed views online both local and across the country. The Seattle sub reddit is updating things on a minute by minute basis by people there, both severely active politically and by younger people just passing through.

Silent protest in Seattle today had a massive turn out too. Proud of my city

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
 

Count how many black folks are in that photo and get bad to us.   

[Cajun 11675]

All this talk about The Chaz has me hankerin' to perform a Triple Lindy...

[cam4mav 770]

Count how many black folks are in that photo and get bad to us.   

Umm isn't that the point

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[SDG 3319]

12 minutes ago, cam4mav said:

Umm isn't that the point

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
 

Actually it kinda was. Your post was front and center about not fracturing, then had BLM Images followed by a bunch of white people.  

im from Seattle and you can’t find that much of a white only crowd anywhere.  
 

wake up.   

Edited June 13, 2020 by SDG

[cam4mav 770]

Actually it kinda was. Your post was front and center about not fracturing, then had BLM Images followed by a bunch of white people.  
im from Seattle and you can’t find that much of a white only crowd anywhere.  
 
wake up.   

DM incoming to not CR this post

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[Bash Riprock 1695]

Are the natives getting restless?

[Jerry Callo 8663]

Maybe a anarcho-syndicalist commune.  They could take turns acting as sort of an executive officer for the week.  But all of the decision of that officer have to be ratified at special biweekly meeting.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

16 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Maybe a anarcho-syndicalist commune.  They could take turns acting as sort of an executive officer for the week.  But all of the decision of that officer have to be ratified at special biweekly meeting.

You're foolin' yourself....

Gimme a gossamer clad lady in a lake handing out swords any day...

[MillerEP 30339]

9 hours ago, SDG said:

Be cognizant of the source but funny anyway.   Segregation is now good...

 

Lulz, "Plant allies"

It's unbelievable people like this actually exist and take this seriously. "These inanimate objects are our friends guys."

Edited June 13, 2020 by MillerEP

[GHOSTUSER 361]

19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Fascinating that there are different levels of success between two black populations (Nigerians and native-born African Americans).  I wonder what possible explanations there could be?  Could the history and generational issues the disparate groups have experienced have had any effect?

Slavery, Jim Crow, and institutionalized racism have a LONG tail.  Recent immigrants have only had to deal with the remaining tail.  That's a much easier hill to climb.  I mean, ther are literally books that have analyzed much of this.  It's why recent immigrants of almost any type do better than even their predecessors of the same race.  We aren't as shitty racist as we used to be, so the path is a lot clearer for folks just now startin

Edited June 13, 2020 by Iconoclast Texan

[blacklab 11843]

Icono, please read my posts on this page.

It's a fine topic for discussion, just not here.

[Jerry Callo 8663]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You're foolin' yourself....

Gimme a gossamer clad lady in a lake handing out swords any day...

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony

[GHOSTUSER 361]

2 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Icono, please read my posts on this page.

It's a fine topic for discussion, just not here.

My bad. Deleted my comment

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

10 hours ago, SDG said:

Be cognizant of the source but funny anyway.   Segregation is now good...

 

That garden looks like my garden when I had no idea how to make a garden, then I left town for two weeks and everything died.  I don't understand the card board.  Is that to keep the fresh dirt from co mingling with the old dirt?  

[Newdoc 3429]

6 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

That garden looks like my garden when I had no idea how to make a garden, then I left town for two weeks and everything died.  I don't understand the card board.  Is that to keep the fresh dirt from co mingling with the old dirt?  

I always thought the origins of idiocracy would spring from the plains of Oklahoma but the bowels of the Pacific Northwest will apparently play a part.

[workswithseed 2033]

5 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

That garden looks like my garden when I had no idea how to make a garden, then I left town for two weeks and everything died.  I don't understand the card board.  Is that to keep the fresh dirt from co mingling with the old dirt?  

The cardboard is a barrier from the grass just coming up into the garden. It'll also hold water in longer than the dirt. 

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

Ok that makes sense.  But is an inch of dirt enough to grow anything?

[Js1 85085]

58 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Lulz, "Plant allies"

It's unbelievable people like this actually exist and take this seriously. "These inanimate objects are our friends guys."

Yeah it’s not like they get fetishized like guns or cars. That would be weird! 

[Armybrat 40710]

My brother’s SIL lived in a hippie commune 50 years ago. She said sex among the members was very casual, about like shaking hands.

[Nonbryan 173]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

My brother’s SIL lived in a hippie commune 50 years ago. She said sex among the members was very casual, about like shaking hands.

Sounds fun......oops, I mean risky

[workswithseed 2033]

17 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Ok that makes sense.  But is an inch of dirt enough to grow anything?

Yeah, that one is gonna be hard, especially since there is a porous barrier if they have too heavy of water or rain the dirt will just escape.

Now that I think about it, it'd been easier to just put them in pots. Shred the cardboard and mix it in with the dirt.

Edited June 13, 2020 by workswithseed

[Pokoloco 1263]

This is pretty much like occupy wall street. How'd that turn out?

[Homercles 10205]

Who cares, I’ll wait and see what happens before I pass any judgement on them beyond laughing at em.  

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2630]

11 hours ago, SDG said:

Be cognizant of the source but funny anyway.   Segregation is now good...

 

I refuse to believe this is real. I mean. Come on. Plant allies?  
 

is there another source?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

I love the entheusiam of these young, idealistic, fucking idiots...  They serve notice to normal people about how fucking stupid idealistic kids can be.....

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2630]

Purposed leadership structure.

 

Worth the read 

[workswithseed 2033]

So if this fails, it won't be white man's downfall.

"We hold a community democratic vote to appoint three people to the Council. To eliminate prejudice, we elect one Black man, one Black woman, and one white woman. Each person should undergo at least one 45 minute sensitivity and political training session which we can help organize."

i read further. Oh my.

Edited June 13, 2020 by workswithseed

[SDG 3319]

26 minutes ago, Xian said:

I refuse to believe this is real. I mean. Come on. Plant allies?  
 

is there another source?

I don’t; read my post and think of it as satire like 50%+ of the post in this thread.  

[Brothahorn 10085]

I'm kind of rooting for them. At least so that the experiment can last a few months. Let them fail on their own.

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2630]

Yep #teamchaz here. 
 

the world needs more harmless weird  things.   Makes life interesting. 
 

That said, I fear that covid is what will take them out in the end. 

[Gatorubet 30082]

I refuse to believe this is real. I mean. Come on. Plant allies?  

Do you even CO2 bro?

[El Diablo 4232]

Level 9 vegans do not eat anything that has a shadow. 

[Armybrat 40710]

1 hour ago, Pokoloco said:

This is pretty much like occupy wall street. How'd that turn out?

Got co-opted by assholes just like the Tea Party was.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Looks like the Longhorn Band May get a new twirler.  
 

 

[cam4mav 770]

Some are trying to rebrand it as Capitol Hill Occupied Protest aka CHOP

I think the Chaz is going to stick though lol just sounds too weird and catchy

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[Homercles 10205]

51 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Looks like the Longhorn Band May get a new twirler.  
 

 

When even your own wiki article states you’re an alt-right troll, then I’m going to assume you’re twisting everything to meet that ‘standard’.  But keep fucking that chickensandwhich