Texas athletes petitioning University to replace "The Eyes of Texas" and to no longer require athletes to sing it

[Lhorn 4971]

 

From that description, I thought “General Lee” sang the eyes of Texas? No? Well, he must have said “the eyes of Texas”.....no didn’t say that either?

In the end, I’m a pragmatic guy. I’m not in favor of dog and pony shows. If there was true racism expressed directly or indirectly by the words in the song I would definitely be against its use. The words don’t say that to me. Will anyone’s life be better for having made this change or will the problem still be there and we’ve just pretended to make changes? Seems like the later.

[Js1 85636]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Who are these members you speak of? Pretty sure I specifically said keep it open because it's an important conversation to have. You really love to play the victim. The evil cabal always out to get you. 

I think I’m a Cabal member But I like this thread. Distinguishes the morons from rational people. Those who are so attached to a song they’d rather see the university burn to the ground than lose it from those who empathize with the players and encourage them to speak up and make positive change to the greatest university in the country 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13121]

36 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said:

I vote The Ballad of Case McCoy as our next song.

Derrrp p derpin derpa derrrp-derp,

Derrrp p derpin derpa derrrrr. 

[Apex73 313]

2 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

From that description, I thought “General Lee” sang the eyes of Texas? No? Well, he must have said “the eyes of Texas”.....no didn’t say that either?

In the end, I’m a pragmatic guy. I’m not in favor of dog and pony shows. If there was true racism expressed directly or indirectly by the words in the song I would definitely be against its use. The words don’t say that to me. Will anyone’s life be better for having made this change or will the problem still be there and we’ve just pretended to make changes? Seems like the later.

Exactly this.

[Serak The Preparer 3434]

1 hour ago, HRSchenker said:

A fraternity brother was texting me this morning and reminded me that Canada changed their national anthem because "true patriot love in all thy sons command" was deemed to be sexist. Now it's "true patriot love in all of us command." Did Canadian women really find that song offensive? I find that hard to believe just like I find it hard to believe that The Eyes Of Texas is being dismissed as racist. 

But hey I believe in consistency. Now that we're moving forward away from racism and intolerance, I expect Tom Herman to restrict some of the music being played in the locker room. No more southern boy redneck nonsense. No more hip hop using racial slurs. 

 

3 hours ago, CfRhTxStBobcats said:

Except those changes really changes nothing. I'm pretty sure a vast majority of students and student athletes have no idea whom all of those buildings were named after until someone got in their ear recently. Buildings, change the names, I couldn't care less, tweak the damn song, not that difficult, donating money or else, that's extortion. 

@HRSchenker and @CfRhTxStBobcats, why are both of you so sure you understand those view points of people different from you? How many Canadian women have you talked to about this issue? What about black students or athletes? Why do you presume your opinion is the universal one? I am not saying that either one of you is wrong, by the way, but the surety of knowing someone else's mind is surprising to me.

[Lurch 5932]

Thats not what any of this is about.  Like I said before, nobody gave a shit about this until the recent narrative changed.  Now people are just looking for reasons to be outraged.  Its sjw culture part 2.  Welcome to the land of microaggressions, safe spaces, no nuances, and no going against the ideology or you are a terrible person.  

Anyone up for a game of Breitbart Buzzword Bingo?

[TornACL 7733]

4 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

Thats not what any of this is about.  Like I said before, nobody gave a shit about this until the recent narrative changed.  Now people are just looking for reasons to be outraged.  Its sjw culture part 2.  Welcome to the land of microaggressions, safe spaces, no nuances, and no going against the ideology or you are a terrible person.  

Here come the "narrative" takes again. Can we retire that word forever?

Why are you telling us about the evils of microaggressions when it seems that you, consistently, seem to be the most emotional about this?

Are you trying to warn us about yourself?

[formermav43 4606]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think I’m a Cabal member But I like this thread. Distinguishes the morons from rational people. 

Does it? I’ve seen plenty of both on either side of this issue, reading through the thread. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13121]

The main tradition I care about is winning. The one we abandoned about a decade ago.

[Apex73 313]

2 minutes ago, Lurch said:

 

Anyone up for a game of Breitbart Buzzword Bingo?

 

Id love to continue this battle of wits with you but its appears that you are unarmed.

[Neonmoon 38130]

9 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

Thats not what any of this is about.  Like I said before, nobody gave a shit about this until the recent narrative changed.  Now people are just looking for reasons to be outraged.  Its sjw culture part 2.  Welcome to the land of microaggressions, safe spaces, no nuances, and no going against the ideology or you are a terrible person.  

The narrative hasn’t changed. You’re just being forced to listen to the other fucking side for once. 

[Not a cat 5726]

16 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Yale used to have a quota on how many Jews they'd let in for fear of turning off the American elite. 

 

There's also the fact that Eli Yale was a slave trader.  

[Apex73 313]

4 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Here come the "narrative" takes again. Can we retire that word forever?

Why are you telling us about the evils of microaggressions when it seems that you, consistently, seem to be the most emotional about this?

Are you trying to warn us about yourself?

 

Gee I didn't know it was emotional to have an opposing opinion and speak up about it.  You can have your opinion and I can have mine.  I stand by everything I said.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

2 hours ago, RollLeft said:

No, i'm clear.  The words of the song are not racist.  The subtext is that the author penned a song for the university and its president.  The context is that the non racist song was presented to that president at a racist gathering.  That is how far we have to stretch to connect the song to racism.   

Is that 4 degrees of separation to link current fans who sing that song to Robert E. Lee? It’s more like 5 for me because I first heard it from Elvis in Viva Las Vegas. 

[Apex73 313]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

The narrative hasn’t changed. You’re just being forced to listen to the other fucking side for once. 

Thats such bullshit.  You have no idea how many in depth conversations Ive had with people on the other side of this issue.  Fuck off.

[Lurch 5932]

Id love to continue this battle of wits with you but its appears that you are unarmed.

Yikes. I’m embarrassed for you.

[Neonmoon 38130]

12 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

From that description, I thought “General Lee” sang the eyes of Texas? No? Well, he must have said “the eyes of Texas”.....no didn’t say that either?

In the end, I’m a pragmatic guy. I’m not in favor of dog and pony shows. If there was true racism expressed directly or indirectly by the words in the song I would definitely be against its use. The words don’t say that to me. Will anyone’s life be better for having made this change or will the problem still be there and we’ve just pretended to make changes? Seems like the later.

There is already proof that the words indirectly and directly express racism. See my previous post and link 

And yes, the black peoples lives will be better if this changes 

 

[Lhorn 4971]

There's also the fact that Eli Yale was a slave trader.  

If true (I was not aware of that fact) then the name of the school should definitely be changed by today’s standard. It’s not even a question. The link to racism is far more direct in that case than it is in the case of “the eyes.”

[Neonmoon 38130]

3 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

Thats such bullshit.  You have no idea how many in depth conversations Ive had with people on the other side of this issue.  Fuck off.

The old “but I have a black friend” trope so my opinion is legit. 

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

8 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

There's also the fact that Eli Yale was a slave trader.  

Speaking of small elite schools.  I have a feeling the leaders over at rice are shitting bricks right now. 

[TornACL 7733]

6 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

 

Gee I didn't know it was emotional to have an opposing opinion and speak up about it.  You can have your opinion and I can have mine.  I stand by everything I said.

You seem emotional. Not because your opinion is different, but rather the manner in which you are expressing it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but you're taking your eye off the ball and veering all over the place. 

[ruitxn 298]

3 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Why? Isn’t the whole point of the message board is to discuss. This is a big deal. People are sick and tired of being silenced 

Sort of like some black athletes?

[Brisketexan 105465]

Thats not what any of this is about.  Like I said before, nobody gave a shit about this until the recent narrative changed.  Now people are just looking for reasons to be outraged.  Its sjw culture part 2.  Welcome to the land of microaggressions, safe spaces, no nuances, and no going against the ideology or you are a terrible person.  

 

Anyone up for a game of Breitbart Buzzword Bingo?

The narrative hasn’t changed. You’re just being forced to listen to the other fucking side for once. 

Ummm....yep. Maybe you chose not to listen, but when I was at Texas 30+ years ago, there WERE people raising many of these issues (racist memorials etc). Not enough people listened to them, because listening to minority voices isn’t something we’ve ever been very good at.

 

Understand that all over this country, we put up confederate memorials and added the confederate flag to state flags and such....in the 50s and 60s....in response to those uppity black folks having the nerve to demand [checks notes] the right to vote and shit like that. All of those “fuck yous” weren’t enough to stop the passage of the Voting Rights Act....but most of them are still there, still saying “fuck you.”

 

The great, open, and obvious sins of our country against black people didn’t end with emancipation. Jim Crow, in ways both big and small, continued well into my lifetime. And, shameful secret here...old Jim still hasn’t completely gone away. He’s more subtle, and less direct. But he hasn’t given up the ghost.

 

My fellow Americans who are black now have the great courage to say its time to kick Jim all the way fucking out. They have a really good fucking point. I think I’d like to be a good American and stand with them. Fuck a treasonous rebellion that fought for the sacred right to enslave black people. Fuck venerating a person for his efforts in that regard. Fuck the damage we did to generations by denying them access to the flagship university of the state for decades. And fuck the racist bullshit we subjected them to when we finally let them in here.

 

Black athletes aren’t trained animals for your entertainment. They are students at a university that is supposed to be developing the future leaders of this state. So they’re trying to lead. What starts here changes the world. You either believe that at or you don’t. They do. So do I.

[CurlyDumps 4485]

13 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

Thats such bullshit.  You have no idea how many in depth conversations Ive had with people on the other side of this issue.  Fuck off.

So have all these conversations taken place over the last 6 hours? Because 6 hours ago you said this:

7 hours ago, Apex73 said:

So in all of it's years of existence nobody gave a shit about that until now. 

Oh and by the way, if you bother to do a google search on the issue, you’ll see one of the first hits is a story from 2018.

[Apex73 313]

3 minutes ago, TornACL said:

You seem emotional. Not because your opinion is different, but rather the manner in which you are expressing it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but you're taking your eye off the ball and veering all over the place. 

In my opinion the other side is taking their eye off the ball.  The biggest problem facing the black community isn't racism.  It's the fact that over 70 percent are born without a father in the home.  Its the fact that they are responsible for most black deaths in the country.  Around 7000 black people died of homicide last year and 93 percent of that was done by another black person.  Where is black lives matter on that?  Im all for protesting police brutality but this is just reaching for morality points.

 

8 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The old “but I have a black friend” trope so my opinion is legit. 

Its not just that I have black friends.  Ive talked to many people of different races on this issue that disagree with me.  And I don't just have a black friend I have many.  I lived with 2 black friends for 5 years and Im not afraid to tell anyone my opinion regardless of race or social circumstances.  

[pearlandhorn 3274]

18 hours ago, Ricky Butler said:

I hope this whole post was just an excuse to say you went to the business school because otherwise I’m not sure how the analogy applies. 

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[Brothahorn 10087]

1 minute ago, Apex73 said:

In my opinion the other side is taking their eye off the ball.  The biggest problem facing the black community isn't racism.  It's the fact that over 70 percent are born without a father in the home.  Its the fact that they are responsible for most black deaths in the country.  Around 7000 black people died of homicide last year and 93 percent of that was done by another black person.  Where is black lives matter on that?  Im all for protesting police brutality but this is just reaching for morality points.

 

Its not just that I have black friends.  Ive talked to many people of different races on this issue that disagree with me.  And I don't just have a black friend I have many.  I lived with 2 black friends for 5 years and Im not afraid to tell anyone my opinion regardless of race or social circumstances.  

So this is you?

 

J/K

[Lhorn 4971]

There is already proof that the words indirectly and directly express racism. See my previous post and link 
And yes, the black peoples lives will be better if this changes 
 

I don’t believe you provided proof of any kind that the song expresses racist sentiment. What in the words of the song are racist?
You’ve described the origins of the song. I’m talking about the meaning of the words.

Is the modern version of”I’ve been working on the railroad” forbidden in modern society because the original version had racist lyrics? I’m not aware that it is and I’ve got you kids who sang this song in kindergarten. I think people have accepted that despite its racist origin, the modern version of the song is just a kids song about working on a train, nothing more, nothing less.

[Landomatic 3813]

1 hour ago, CDAK said:

 

The definition I knew is the most common definition, friend.

minstrel

[ min-struh l ]SHOW IPA

SEE SYNONYMS FOR minstrel ON THESAURUS.COM

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noun

1. a medieval poet and musician who sang or recited while accompanying himself on a stringed instrument, either as a member of a noble household or as an itinerant troubadour.

2. a musician, singer, or poet.

3. one of a troupe of comedians, usually white men in blackface, presenting songs, jokes, etc., and portraying negative racial stereotypes.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/instrument

 

Definition of minstrel

 

1: one of a class of medieval musical entertainers especially : a singer of verses to the accompaniment of a harp wandering minstrels

2a: MUSICIAN

b: POET

3a: a member of a type of performance troupe caricaturing black performers that originated in the U.S. in the early 19th century

NOTE: The acts of minstrels, who typically performed in blackface, featured exaggerated and inaccurate representations of black people in songs, dances, and comic dialogue. The popularity of minstrel shows in their heyday played a significant role in promoting negative racial stereotypes. Professional minstrel shows had fallen out of favor and effectively disappeared by the mid-20th century.

b: a performance by a troupe of minstrels : a minstrel show

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minstrel

Huh...and here I thought it was when a woman gets her period.

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[TornACL 7733]

1 minute ago, Apex73 said:

In my opinion the other side is taking their eye off the ball.  The biggest problem facing the black community isn't racism.  It's the fact that over 70 percent are born without a father in the home.  Its the fact that they are responsible for most black deaths in the country.  Around 7000 black people died of homicide last year and 93 percent of that was done by another black person.  Where is black lives matter on that?  Im all for protesting police brutality but this is just reaching for morality points.

ah yes, the old "we'll help you once you help yourselves" argument, which has been complete fucking bullshit for 65 years. 

Caden Sterms should definitely shut the fuck up about everything until his culture gets their house in order. 

Congratulations on your fresh and original take. 

Did you have a big brother? Did he ever ask you why you're hitting yourself, while he grabbed your forearm and smacked your own hand against your face? That's essentially the argument you're making. 

I have an idea. Let's take away the clearly evident disadvantages that minority neighborhoods have (schools, fair policing, etc) and then let's see what happens. What's the harm in that?

Why do some Americans need to earn the right to be treated fairly and with respect? Seems antithetical to what we like to claim about our nation's vision. 

 

[HRSchenker 2275]

32 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

 

@HRSchenker and @CfRhTxStBobcats, why are both of you so sure you understand those view points of people different from you? How many Canadian women have you talked to about this issue? What about black students or athletes? Why do you presume your opinion is the universal one? I am not saying that either one of you is wrong, by the way, but the surety of knowing someone else's mind is surprising to me.

Inevitably these conversations wind up coming down to someone saying "this is my truth". There is no such thing as "your truth". There's just the truth. The Eyes is not racist. The Canadian national anthem was not sexist. You find me one alumnus who says that the stars and bars fill their hearts when they sing the alma mater and I'll change my mind.

[Gatorubet 30325]

4 hours ago, Apex73 said:

  We have our problems and we need to address those but our society and systems are far from racist.

[Apex73 313]

4 minutes ago, TornACL said:

ah yes, the old "we'll help you once you help yourselves" argument, which has been complete fucking bullshit for 65 years. 

Caden Sterms should definitely shut the fuck up about everything until his culture gets their house in order. 

Congratulations on your fresh and original take. 

Did you have a big brother? Did he ever ask you why you're hitting yourself, while he grabbed your forearm and smacked your own hand against your face? That's essentially the argument you're making. 

I have an idea. Let's take away the clearly evident disadvantages that minority neighborhoods have (schools, fair policing, etc) and then let's see what happens. What's the harm in that?

Why do some Americans need to earn the right to be treated fairly and with respect? Seems antithetical to what we like to claim about our nation's vision. 

 

Im saying those are the problems we need to address.  Those are the facts.  Im not saying we don't have a responsibility to help that cause as as nation, Im saying that this is just shooting in the wrong direction and the problems will still exist when its over and we will be nowhere closer to that community being in a better place.

[Lurch 5932]

You want to believe the problem is fatherless children because believing it allows you to remain apathetic on everything else.

My parents split when I was 2 and I rarely saw my dad growing up. Amazingly, I didn’t have to fear getting pulled over and killed by a racist cop. I was able to go to a well funded public school without having to be bussed in. I didn’t have to worry about getting an interview because of my name.

The fatherless children trope is not the issue.

[TornACL 7733]

Just now, Apex73 said:

Im saying those are the problems we need to address.  Those are the facts.  Im not saying we don't have a responsibility to help that cause as as nation, Im saying that this is just shooting in the wrong direction and the problems will still exist when its over and we will be nowhere closer to that community being in a better place.

Where in the letter did the student athletes declare that this will solve all of the world's problems? I'm wondering, because I didn't see it. 

 

[TornACL 7733]

Every time black people ask for something simple... to be treated fairly by police, some idiot declares that black people kill a lot of black people. And a lot of black kids grow up in broken homes. 

Putting aside for a moment that the argument is completely disingenuous, when did we decide that only those who live a virtuous life are worthy of fair treatment?

[Apex73 313]

2 minutes ago, Lurch said:

You want to believe the problem is fatherless children because believing it allows you to remain apathetic on everything else.

My parents split when I was 2 and I rarely saw my dad growing up. Amazingly, I didn’t have to fear getting pulled over and killed by a racist cop. I was able to go to a well funded public school without having to be bussed in. I didn’t have to worry about getting an interview because of my name.

The fatherless children trope is not the issue.

Obama disagrees and so do I.  Saying that's not a major problem is completely ignoring reality.  I didn't go to a well funded public school.  Is the system racist against me too?  I grew up in a shitty part of southeast Dallas.  I got harassed by police too.  Got a gun pulled on me once by one cop.  I'm not saying some of them weren't racist but its more an issue of class and culture.  And that doesn't make the treatment justifiable. 

[Gatorubet 30325]

6 hours ago, Wanker Bob said:

Not at all. It could be 100 percent fact. But a lot of white washing of history occurred so it's a definite possibility and accounts of history by the American white establishment shouldn't be taken as fact when it comes to questions of potential racist origins. When was the earliest account of the story? Is there a news article that can be verified to that time period with the story? Or did it come about recently?

I heard the show was almost out of minstrels due to injuries, when one of the the students in the stands put on blackface in case they needed him.  Not sure.

But I have had two Bulleit Old Fashioneds since 4:30 .

[Apex73 313]

10 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Every time black people ask for something simple... to be treated fairly by police, some idiot declares that black people kill a lot of black people. And a lot of black kids grow up in broken homes. 

Putting aside for a moment that the argument is completely disingenuous, when did we decide that only those who live a virtuous life are worthy of fair treatment?

Across the board the data suggests they are being treated just as fairly as white people.  Look up the Washington Posts stats on police killings last year.  Of the 1000 that were killed over 400 were white and by far the biggest number on the list.  Makes sense since there are mostly white people in America.  Of the entire bunch 28 were killed unarmed.  19 were white.  9 were black.  Where is the unfairness?  Now you could argue that study doesn't account for certain variables which I think would be a valid argument, but if you are just going off the numbers the data doesn't support that theory.

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by Apex73

[Apex73 313]

14 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Where in the letter did the student athletes declare that this will solve all of the world's problems? I'm wondering, because I didn't see it. 

 

Its not solving any problems.  Its just stroking egos.

[Js1 85636]

50 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The narrative hasn’t changed. You’re just being forced to listen to the other fucking side for once. 

He’s intentionally ignoring it’s been reported on a few times since 2009. It’s not a new “outrage”

[Serak The Preparer 3434]

22 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Inevitably these conversations wind up coming down to someone saying "this is my truth". There is no such thing as "your truth". There's just the truth. The Eyes is not racist. The Canadian national anthem was not sexist. You find me one alumnus who says that the stars and bars fill their hearts when they sing the alma mater and I'll change my mind.

But you didn't say that you don't find it sexist and you didn't claim that it is not objectively sexist. You specifically said that you don't think Canadian women find it sexist. What led you to this conclusion?

[TornACL 7733]

5 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

Across the board the data suggests they are being treated just as fairly as white people.  Look up the Washington Posts stats on police killings last year.  Of the 1000 that were killed over 400 were white and by far the biggest number on the list.  Makes sense since there are mostly white people in America.  Of the entire bunch 28 were killed unarmed.  19 were white.  9 were black.  Where is the unfairness?  Now you could argue that study doesn't account for certain variables which I think would be a valid argument, but if you are just going off the numbers the data doesn't support that theory.

 

There is no acceptable number of police killings that has a comma in it, so I am not going to rehash that tired argument. 

Police killings, while disproportionately impacting black communities, are a problem that crosses all races. The police should not be killing 1000 fucking people per year, I dont care what race they are. 

Also, if the police reports of killings that were later found to have video are any example, we cannot trust police reports. 

Try again. 

Edited June 13, 2020 by TornACL

[victory88 5672]

10 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

In my opinion the other side is taking their eye off the ball.  The biggest problem facing the black community isn't racism.  It's the fact that over 70 percent are born without a father in the home.  Its the fact that they are responsible for most black deaths in the country.  Around 7000 black people died of homicide last year and 93 percent of that was done by another black person.  Where is black lives matter on that?  Im all for protesting police brutality but this is just reaching for morality points.

 

Its not just that I have black friends.  Ive talked to many people of different races on this issue that disagree with me.  And I don't just have a black friend I have many.  I lived with 2 black friends for 5 years and Im not afraid to tell anyone my opinion regardless of race or social circumstances.  

You sound like a lot of the red neck country bumpkins I grew up around and now work near.  They share your same views and sentiments.  I’ve heard this same argument from a large segment of people I grew up with living in a small Texas town and they post the same shit your typing publicly on their Facebook.  I also remember those same people saying the most vile racist shit I’ve ever heard growing up when their one black friend wasn’t around.  
 

The socioeconomic issues the majority of black communities face are a direct result of generations of slavery, of Jim Crow laws, segregation, discrimination, underfunded schools, underfunded communities, voter suppression, and the list goes on.    All of that is because of racism.  

[Apex73 313]

1 minute ago, TornACL said:

There is no acceptable number of police killings that has a comma in it, so I am not going to rehash that tired argument. 

Also, if the police reports of killings that were later found to have video are any example, we cannot trust police reports. 

Try again. 

Or maybe you just don't like the fact that the data doest support your opinion.  Whatever dude.

[TornACL 7733]

5 minutes ago, Apex73 said:

Its not solving any problems.  Its just stroking egos.

That's cool how you can deduce that without listening at all. Great job, Karen. 

[maninblack 7974]

27 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Inevitably these conversations wind up coming down to someone saying "this is my truth". There is no such thing as "your truth". There's just the truth. The Eyes is not racist. The Canadian national anthem was not sexist. You find me one alumnus who says that the stars and bars fill their hearts when they sing the alma mater and I'll change my mind.

Obviously forced social outrage doesn't fit your world view

[Apex73 313]

2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

You sound like a lot of the red neck country bumpkins I grew up around and now work near.  They share your same views and sentiments.  I’ve heard this same argument from a large segment of people I grew up with living in a small Texas town and they post the same shit your typing publicly on their Facebook.  I also remember those same people saying the most vile racist shit I’ve ever heard growing up when their one black friend wasn’t around.  
 

The socioeconomic issues the majority of black communities face are a direct result of generations of slavery, of Jim Crow laws, segregation, discrimination, underfunded schools, underfunded communities, voter suppression, and the list goes on.    All of that is because of racism.  

Go look at the data.  It doesn't support your theory.  

[TornACL 7733]

1 minute ago, Apex73 said:

Or maybe you just don't like the fact that the data doest support your opinion.  Whatever dude.

The data absolutely supports my opinion. The police kill too many people. 

It also supports the opinion that they disproportionately kill black people. You're just too stupid to understand how numbers work. 

Are you going to share with us that OAN video? Please. Please, do. 

[Apex73 313]

1 minute ago, TornACL said:

The data absolutely supports my opinion. The police kill too many people. 

It also supports the opinion that they disproportionately kill black people. You're just too stupid to understand how numbers work. 

Are you going to share with us that OAN video? Please. Please, do. 

I agree they kill too many people but I also agree that its one of the hardest jobs to do.  They need more training and funding.  Not to be defunded.  When people get defunded do you think they feel the incentive to do a better job?  They only killed a little over 200 black people last year which we agree is still too high.  But it doesn't support your opinion.