Texas athletes petitioning University to replace "The Eyes of Texas" and to no longer require athletes to sing it

[tx 3 putt 78470]

26 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

There will be a large microscope on who leaves the field and who sings. 

You just nailed the biggest issue 

[SA-KC_Horn 1298]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

 

Put it on a shirt.

 

[Duke Silver 191]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Racist, imo.  Them Mormons like Gabriel a lot.  And they have been mean to black people.

That’s Moroni, you moron(i). 

[SHOOTER12 8883]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Especially if the players who choose to leave get criticized by other players for doing so. 

Fixed for possibility

[Tex Long 4616]

2 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Fixed for possibility

Yeah, my first thought there, too. Very def poss. Has some bad potential, fer sher.

 

[DiceHands 349]

I stand with the players.  Always.  No song defines our history.  The players that risk their lives every Saturday do. 

Bad move not listening to the players on this one.   We could have dropped the dumb ass song and lost absolutely nothing.  Now we risk alienating our players and it puts everyone in an awkward spot. 

[Dnaguy 12572]

 

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Racist, imo.  Them Mormons like Gabriel a lot.  And they have been mean to black people.

 

13 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

That’s Moroni, you moron(i). 

 

Mormons believe that Gabrielle is the angelic form of Noah.

They're the same being.

Noah was just his name in human form while Gabrielle is his name in the angelic form.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Dnaguy

[texifornia 58786]

1 minute ago, DiceHands said:

I stand with the players.  Always.  No song defines our history.  The players that risk their lives every Saturday do. 

Bad move not listening to the players on this one.   We could have dropped the dumb ass song and lost absolutely nothing.  Now we risk alienating our players and it puts everyone in an awkward spot. 

Lol. They listened to everyone, including the students and alums who love the song. It's not racist in content, they're going to educate around the history, it should be fine.

[n64ra 1149]

41 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

Renaming RLM with a generic name (not after any person);

Associating Heman Sweatt's name prominently at Painter Hall (ode to Sweatt vs. Painter)

"Educate....about history and context" as to the rest.

And I'm pretty sure they've previously removed all random Confederate-related statues of people that had no association with UT or Texas.

 

 

They also removed statues of people who had large association with Texas (Albert Sidney Johnston - general United States Army, Texian Army, and the Confederate States Army and John Reagan - US House of Representatives from Texas, U.S. Senator from Texas) and people who had nothing to do with the Confederacy (Woodrow Wilson - I count US president as association with UT or Texas; otherwise watch out George Washington).

[Tex Pete 21394]

4 minutes ago, DiceHands said:

I stand with the players.  Always.  No song defines our history.  The players that risk their lives every Saturday do. 

Bad move not listening to the players on this one.   We could have dropped the dumb ass song and lost absolutely nothing.  Now we risk alienating our players and it puts everyone in an awkward spot. 

Fuck off. Sounds like everyone but a couple of douche rags is happy with the changes.

[Earl Haffler 627]

30 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Have you seen the new ENS???

It's stunning.  Broke into there a couple of years ago when I was visiting (had to get a student to let me in).  I did most of my studies in ENS back in the day.

[David Dennison 19441]

3 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Lol. They listened to everyone, including the students and alums who love the song. It's not racist in content, they're going to educate around the history, it should be fine.

Correct.

But current students will become alums.

Armed with the history of the song, new students will push for change. 

 

[DiceHands 349]

Just now, texifornia said:

Lol. They listened to everyone, including the students and alums who love the song. It's not racist in content, they're going to educate around the history, it should be fine.

Seeing the player's responses so far is encouraging.  I appreciate that they all came together on this and were able to come up with a solution that seems like everyone is ok with.

I just cant help but feel like when we hear them say "please rise for the eyes of texas", its going to feel like the crowd is singing it AT a group, rather than WITH them.  When 75% of the players walk off the field during it, is it really all that special any more?  When we hear the Karens of the world criticize them for standing up for what they believe in, is it really gonna feel good to sing the song after a win or a loss? 

Again, im envisioning worst case scenario here (can you blame me? its 2020), but I hope that it doesnt become a bigger distraction than its worth.  Time will tell.

[66BUFF 2608]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Correct.

But current students will become alums.

Armed with the history of the song, new students will push for change. 

 

Keep fucking that chicken

[Capn81 396]

Correct.

But current students will become alums.

Armed with the history of the song, new students will push for change. 

 

Go back to the Cloak Room. Seriously, you bring nothing relevant to any discussion on this board.

[David Dennison 19441]

1 minute ago, Capn81 said:

Go back to the Cloak Room. Seriously, you bring nothing of importance to any discussion on this board.

No.

[RollLeft 5088]

\m/

 

[crash_davis 23465]

This is how Change is made. Conviction, patience, understanding and resolve to work the best solution for most parties.

Extremely proud of the athletes, the administration, and the fucking rich white dudes who didn't have to do shit but did anyway. 

It doesn't get more family then what just happened.

Edited July 13, 2020 by crash_davis

[Wally Pryor 5388]

33 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

You just nailed the biggest issue 

The players feel like this is a big win and when I see Overshown say "We Are One" I'm guessing you won't see any of the players leave the field for the song.  The school gave a lot on this deal with renaming the field, the Whittier statue and other things plus acknowledging that the Eyes had bad roots and that it wanted to continue to redefine what it stands for.  And, though not required, I'm guessing that includes all players staying on the field for it that previously did not want to in order to provide further unification.

Make no mistake - the university was willing to give a lot on this thing but it also wanted something in return.  The above was probably its one / only ask. 

 

[texifornia 58786]

1 minute ago, Wally Pryor said:

The players feel like this is a big win and when I see Overshown say "We Are One" I'm guessing you won't see any of the players leave the field for the song.  The school gave a lot on this deal with renaming the field, the Whittier statue and other things plus acknowledging that the Eyes had bad roots and that it wanted to continue to redefine what it stands for.  And, though not required, I'm guessing that includes all players staying on the field for it that previously did not want to in order to provide further unification.

Make no mistake - the university was willing to give a lot on this thing but it also wanted something in return.  The above was probably its one / only ask. 

 

Sterns already said he won't sing it

[futureman 22664]

1 hour ago, Tex-19 said:

I mean I understand the Heisman thing but how do they leave Vince off the field name???

clearly because vince was not a heisman-level talent.  

[alincoln 2390]

1 hour ago, EuroHorn said:

Just like your trolling...

David Dennison . . . the herpes of surly

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

It's going to continue to be an issue.

After we beat LSU and ou, and start singing The Eyes....we shall see.....imho.

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

 

And we rightly removed it.

That place was awful. 

It was like a soviet morgue.

 

Oh.  I thought that was a new aggy dorm.

[Beau Vine 55824]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

So the slippery slope appeared to be not that slippery at all. 

It almost never is.

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

1 hour ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

Put it on a shirt.

 

Put it on the players practice shirts!

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

47 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

This is how Change is made. Conviction, patience, understanding and resolve to work the best solution for most parties.

Extremely proud of the athletes, the administration, and the fucking rich white dudes who didn't have to do shit but did anyway. 

It doesn't get more family then what just happened.

Wonder what Sul Ross thinks?

[crash_davis 23465]

1 minute ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Wonder what Sul Ross thinks?

does baaa mean yes or no?

[Hank Scorpio 17924]

Terrible result for the players. Not sure why they would agree to play this season. What they need to do is listen to someone with real experience who understands the issues, like me, a middle aged white man. 

[Rip76 5009]

A side benefit from this could be in future recruiting.  

[Gatorubet 30631]

Proud to be a Longhorn today

Justifiably so.

[speed817 19844]

2 hours ago, Earl Haffler said:

It's stunning.  Broke into there a couple of years ago when I was visiting (had to get a student to let me in).  I did most of my studies in ENS back in the day.

I still haven't been inside.  Current and future students will never understand the camaraderie built when cramming for EE316 on the 3rd floor of the old ENS 😆

[Duane Moore 5636]

So glad that people of good faith on all sides could work out a compromise. Everyone involved should feel good about this going forward. The players have brought about real change and should be proud of what they’ve accomplished. Hook ‘em. 🤘

[Tonesky 1042]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

Physics, Math and Astronomy.

The PMA building

This is actually what we called it when I arrived on campus in 1976.

[HornsOverIthaca 2339]

3 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

 

 

 

Mormons believe that Gabrielle is the angelic form of Noah.

They're the same being.

Noah was just his name in human form while Gabrielle is his name in the angelic form.

That’s stretching into The Last Jedi territory if you ask me.

[Tonesky 1042]

I was fully prepared to say goodbye to The Eyes, and not real sure how I feel about its perpetuation, including the concern mentioned by others that, at the end of games, some team members gathering on the field and others heading to the locker room could become divisive.  All that said, its a damn good day to be a longhorn.  I'm proud of everyone involved in this, beginning with the team members voicing initial criticism.  Hook 'em!

[CockadoodleHorn 40]

I think the band has more pull on the Eyes than the players.  Just hope we don't get band members saying they won't play it anymore.  Then we have a problem.

[CockadoodleHorn 40]

4 hours ago, MirrOlure said:

I would contribute that a demolition effort. Last set foot in that building in 1987, and just looking at it still gives me the heebeejeebees

Yeah, i didn't care too much for RLM but then again, i didn't even think to look at what person it stood for.  I just thought it was RLM like ENS. 

[Saint Austin 776]

4 minutes ago, CockadoodleHorn said:

I think the band has more pull on the Eyes than the players.  Just hope we don't get band members saying they won't play it anymore.  Then we have a problem.

Then we just do it Church-of-Christ-style.

[Dnaguy 12572]

Just now, HornsOverIthaca said:

That’s stretching into The Last Jedi territory if you ask me.

[Moby Ric 2058]

Nice work UT.  The University is not only able to keep its history, but also expand its history in a positive way as well.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

I've stayed out of The Eyes debate after initially venting my spleen on it.

Hopefully, now that it has been aired out, there is no lingering belief that "the eyes of Texas are upon you" is some sort of slave surveillance statement.

It became rather clear to me that there were some foul and false rumors persisting about it.  I think those rumors were given credibility without understanding by Dr. Edwards' statements about it.

Now that maybe  those have been cleared up and the facts made clear that a century's worth of students sang the song without malice toward blacks, at least insofar as the song is concerned, the divisiveness will be reduced or eliminated.

Edited July 13, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Sbbruin 22082]

It wasn’t just a song performed at a minstrel show. It was written specifically FOR a minstrel show.

Sources:

The Alcade 1992

The Alcade 2003

 

My FIL's cub scout troop in late 30's performed a minstrel show as part of a pack talent show.

 

[futureman 22664]

7 minutes ago, Tonesky said:

including the concern mentioned by others that, at the end of games, some team members gathering on the field and others heading to the locker room could become divisive.

it will absolutely be divisive and will become a problem.  I wish these players would be a tad more selfless and just compromise and sing the damn song in the interest of unity with the fanbase after getting so many of their other demands met.  y’all are naive if you think dennison is wrong.  the issue with the eyes simply will not go away if players continue to take a stance against it.  

[mininghorn88 2330]

My take is that the Team will stay to sing the song after the game as a Team as I would think that part of the approval of keeping the song was that all parties are good with the direction that is being taken.  There may be some outliers that still have an issue with the song but with the concept of Team unity they will stay on the field to sing it.

 

[futureman 22664]

4 minutes ago, mininghorn88 said:

with the concept of Team unity they will stay on the field to sing it.

you think juwan mitchell is standing with his horns up during the eyes?  sure would be nice. 

[Burntcowboy 1845]

Damn happy we get to keep The Eyes. I’m also happy that a compromise was found. 

[n64ra 1149]

3 hours ago, texifornia said:

Sterns already said he won't sing it

Josh Thompson said "I stand with you on that" to Sterns. Is that Josh also won't sing or simply supports Sterns not singing?

[Amos Moses 795]

The history and story about the origins of the poem, and the performance and adaptation of the song is out in the open.  If the statement from the president is to be accepted, the school is going to continue the dialogue and education about where The Eyes came from, and what it means.  Any player that chooses to attend The University will know more and be better versed in what those words mean, where they came from, and their decision should be fully informed on the issue.  Eyes wide open now.  Those seeking to squeeze more blood from this to dissuade future student athletes have ill intentions toward the university and its institutions, in my opinion.

[Spankytoes 1748]

2 weeks ago: Now that we know this was sung at minstrel shows, we should stop singing The Eyes. If you disagree, you are racist and not woke as it’s insensitive to our black athletes. 

Today: This is a good compromise. Way to go UT!

 

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