Texas athletes petitioning University to replace "The Eyes of Texas" and to no longer require athletes to sing it

[dec3169 545]

44 minutes ago, Mole said:

Let’s not da capotate her just yet, but they should bar her for misconduct. That will be fine.

I say demote her 2 ranks to Drum Lieutenant and dock her pay.

[NeverMarryAStripper 22241]

 

[gyroprotagonist 2597]

if we get to the point where actual football is being played and the football players agree to sing or stand or kneel or whatever while the song is being played and the band does not want to play it then put the speakers to work on the 'tron.

either that or 

[Steel Shank 9533]

I think I have just the thing that will change her "outlook" into a positive one.

[mr. sunshine 2852]

23 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I think I have just the thing that will change her "outlook" into a positive one.

Much like Kramer, Steel Shank can convert them

[clapclapclap 9000]

26 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I think I have just the thing that will change her "outlook" into a positive one.

Piped in music?

Edited August 19, 2020 by clapclapclap

[vtaenz 603]

Drum major doesn't even conduct the eyes until the end of the game in the stands from what I recall during my time.

If you have a music scholarship it's too the school of music. I believe there is a requirement that you have to take at least two semesters of some type of ensemble of which LHB qualifies. So a lot of music majors do two years of LHB.
LHB is a class so the director has the power to fail you if he so chooses (I assume).

Plus the band is a spirit group so I suppose expectations will be set before the season on what is appropriate. It's the equivalent of someone on Texas Cheer taking a knee or something. You could do it but there will probably be repercussions.

You're not going to lose sleep over the DM not conducting the eyes. The DM is largely a figurehead position anyway in LHB.

[TreatyOak 17197]

3 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:

In terms of playing/not playing "The Eyes" I really don't care. I support people's right to protest. I also support businesses rights to dismiss people who protest. I then support consumers/voters etc right to punish businesses who dismiss protestors etc etc

It is the great circle of life.

[Poolflood 845]

We in here talking' about band geeks.  I mean we in here talking' about band geeks?  Not a game, not a game, we talkin' about band geeks...not the game we live and die for.. band geeks....

[927 E. 41st 1124]

1 hour ago, Poolflood said:

We in here talking' about band geeks.  I mean we in here talking' about band geeks?  Not a game, not a game, we talkin' about band geeks...not the game we live and die for.. band geeks....

More fun than talkin' about the 'Rona some more.

[TreatyOak 17197]

2 hours ago, Poolflood said:

We in here talking' about band geeks.  I mean we in here talking' about band geeks?  Not a game, not a game, we talkin' about band geeks...not the game we live and die for.. band geeks....

[jinx 2636]

I’ve seriously wondered how band would work this season anyway.  Are we gonna pack 200 band dorks together to blow on instruments while capacity is limited to 25% and we should be keeping distance and wearing masks.  I figure they let the godzillatron play the music for a year.  

[Skipper 6406]

12 hours ago, jinx said:

I’ve seriously wondered how band would work this season anyway.  Are we gonna pack 200 band dorks together to blow on instruments while capacity is limited to 25% and we should be keeping distance and wearing masks.  I figure they let the godzillatron play the music for a year.  

Seriously, just ban them for a year.  The pandemic is the perfect excuse and may have happened regardless.   It's absolutely ridiculous (yet the most predictable thing ever) that the fucking band is inserting themselves into this argument after it was settled with the players.    The band has always thought game day was about them.  Let them sit out for a year and make it clear to drive that point home.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Yep, bunch of air traffic control majors.

[vtaenz 603]

2 hours ago, Skipper said:

Seriously, just ban them for a year.  The pandemic is the perfect excuse and may have happened regardless.   It's absolutely ridiculous (yet the most predictable thing ever) that the fucking band is inserting themselves into this argument after it was settled with the players.    The band has always thought game day was about them.  Let them sit out for a year and make it clear to drive that point home.

...no it hasn't

[RollLeft 5088]

25% of the band, leave out the DM

[texifornia 58786]

 

[Dennis Taylor 19284]

On 8/18/2020 at 3:27 PM, Tex Pete said:

This isn’t news. And it isn’t her call to make. She can step aside. The athletes already negotiated the deal. 

NM

Edited August 21, 2020 by Dennis Taylor

[Valmy77 13567]

If they could just rip down that terrible building instead of renaming it, that would be great.

Seriously though, I wonder how many top physics or math students came to visit UT and took one look at that shitty building and decided to go someplace else instead.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Valmy77

[Fondren & Main 6871]

Yo, fuck the band.  Let's just blast Pantera instead.  That's way better football music anyway.  IHIOGA that Dime was a longhorn fan anyway.

[Jack Wilson 313]

1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

If they could just rip down that terrible building instead of renaming it, that would be great.

Seriously though, I wonder how many top physics or math students came to visit UT and took one look at that shitty building and decided to go someplace else instead.

Send 'em to the new locker room in Belmont. That'll impress 'em. We could even hang slide rules in each locker, just as a final touch. That'll seal the deal for sure.

[Valmy77 13567]

2 hours ago, Jack Wilson said:

Send 'em to the new locker room in Belmont. That'll impress 'em. We could even hang slide rules in each locker, just as a final touch. That'll seal the deal for sure.

I mean if they move math and physics to Belmont that certainly wouldn't hurt

[TrashMaster G 18030]

On 8/19/2020 at 10:33 AM, Skipper said:

Seriously, just ban them for a year.  The pandemic is the perfect excuse and may have happened regardless.   It's absolutely ridiculous (yet the most predictable thing ever) that the fucking band is inserting themselves into this argument after it was settled with the players.    The band has always thought game day was about them.  Let them sit out for a year and make it clear to drive that point home.

You're full of shit.

[Skipper 6406]

1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:

You're full of shit.

Well, I personally witnessed (early 2000's) our punters warming up pregame and a band director throwing a tantrum because they were kicking too close to where the band was performing and demanding that the punters stop warming up until the band was done with their performance.  Student manager responds with "we're here to win a football game, not a sweepstakes".  Everyone laughs.  Band director cries to Deloss and student manager has to "meet" with Deloss the next week.  He throws on a suit and heads to the big guy's office and Deloss basically tells him something to the effect of 'we both know this is bullshit but try not to piss the band off so I don't have to deal with this nonsense".   

Look, I like and appreciate the band as much as the next guy, but know your fucking role.  And your role is absolutely not calling up the press and inserting yourself into this fucking controversy after a successful negotiation with the parties that matter, i.e., the student athletes playing the damn game.

[Tex Pete 21394]

Particularly when

a. the Eyes of Texas is in no way racist. 

b. the drum major is not even a black student. 

Like you said, know your role. 

[David Dennison 19441]

7 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Particularly when

a. the Eyes of Texas is in no way racist. 

b. the drum major is not even a black student. 

Like you said, know your role. 

But is was written by racists about a racist who venerated a racist and it was first performed by racists for racists.

So there's a whole lot of racism associated with it.

 

[TrashMaster G 18030]

45 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Well, I personally witnessed (early 2000's) our punters warming up pregame and a band director throwing a tantrum because they were kicking too close to where the band was performing and demanding that the punters stop warming up until the band was done with their performance.  Student manager responds with "we're here to win a football game, not a sweepstakes".  Everyone laughs.  Band director cries to Deloss and student manager has to "meet" with Deloss the next week.  He throws on a suit and heads to the big guy's office and Deloss basically tells him something to the effect of 'we both know this is bullshit but try not to piss the band off so I don't have to deal with this nonsense".   

Look, I like and appreciate the band as much as the next guy, but know your fucking role.  And your role is absolutely not calling up the press and inserting yourself into this fucking controversy after a successful negotiation with the parties that matter, i.e., the student athletes playing the damn game.

So, a single anecdote gets you to "The band has always thought the game was about them"?  That's quite a long walk there, skippy.

And I'm not here to debate the racism in The Eyes, or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the people playing the song - who are also UT students - have every bit as much a right to have a say on the subject as the athletes do.  In fact, I don't see why their perspective is any less relevant than the athletes.

Maybe you're just tired of the topic and want to be past it.  I get that 100%.  But those students that you are dismissing out of hand are among the most spirited, dedicated students on the 40.  I, for one, think they deserve to be heard with respect.  I don't agree with their position, but I'm not about to dismiss them. 

[Tex Pete 21394]

21 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

But is was written by racists about a racist who venerated a racist and it was first performed by racists for racists.

So there's a whole lot of racism associated with it.

What a beating. If "not written by a racist" is the standard, no one will be reading or listening to much of anything.

[David Dennison 19441]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

What a beating. If "not written by a racist" is the standard, no one will be reading or listening to much of anything.

Get used to it. Change is hard.

[Veerbone 116]

48 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Get used to it. Change is hard.

Reminder.. change your tampon.  

[66BUFF 2608]

14 hours ago, David Dennison said:

But is was written by racists about a racist who venerated a racist and it was first performed by racists for racists.

So there's a whole lot of racism associated with it.

 

Keep fucking that chicken.

[Newy25 7894]

14 hours ago, David Dennison said:

But is was written by racists about a racist who venerated a racist and it was first performed by racists for racists.

So there's a whole lot of racism associated with it.

 

So like hardly any of that is true. 

[texifornia 58786]

15 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Get used to it. Change is hard.

This is so dumb, you'd deprive yourself of most of the great art and culture of the world that way. As long as you know and acknowledge where those pieces come from, and in terms of traditions like this try to redefine them for new generations, you can still enjoy old things.

[DanRydell 799]

There's quite a difference between a song that was written by someone who happened to be racist and a song that was written to be performed in a minstrel show whose title adopts a Robert E. Lee slogan. I'm not saying the latter means the song should be banned or cannot be enjoyed or appreciated but if you're going to have an honest dialogue about it, you can't completely misrepresent the history like that.

[David Dennison 19441]

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

This is so dumb, you'd deprive yourself of most of the great art and culture of the world that way. As long as you know and acknowledge where those pieces come from, and in terms of traditions like this try to redefine them for new generations, you can still enjoy old things.

Its days are numbered. It's not a matter of if but when. It might not happen this year. It might not happen next year. At some point in the not too distant future, however, the University of Texas will no longer sanction the Eyes of Texas at any event.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

18 hours ago, David Dennison said:

But is was written by racists about a racist who venerated a racist and it was first performed by racists for racists.

So there's a whole lot of racism associated with it.

 

Well, UT was founded by racists and operated by racists for at least half its history.  Virulent racists, not merely insensitive ones.

So I guess we know what to do.

[TrashMaster G 18030]

35 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Its days are numbered. It's not a matter of if but when. It might not happen this year. It might not happen next year. At some point in the not too distant future, however, the University of Texas will no longer sanction the Eyes of Texas at any event.

Please define "not too distant future" and I will call bullshit.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, UT was founded by racists and operated by racists for at least half its history.  Virulent racists, not merely insensitive ones.

So I guess we know what to do.

That said, I fear that you are correct. 

I think having the dialog about its ignominious origins is worthwhile.  But it has long left behind any actual racist connotations.  The dialog should have dispensed with apparently current bullshit notions like "the eyes of Texas are upon you" means "we're watching you, n*gger."

 

[David Dennison 19441]

39 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, UT was founded by racists and operated by racists for at least half its history.  Virulent racists, not merely insensitive ones.

So I guess we know what to do.

And the school is taking steps to distance itself from all of them. This is an ongoing process that will take years if not decades to play out. But cultural change is moving along apace. Think about how much has changed since Ferguson, since Charlottesville, since Minneapolis.

Traditions are not sacrosanct. It's best not to get too attached to them.

 

[Poe It Up 126]

The Eyes are here to stay and it just kills little ol’ David. You hate to see it. 

[TrashMaster G 18030]

If you are hellbent on removing any trace of history that was created by, influenced by or even favored by anyone who has ever said or done anything arguably racist, you will be forever wiping out nearly every trace of human history.

It's a fool's errand cloaked in moral purity.

[David Dennison 19441]

Just now, TrashMaster G said:

If you are hellbent on removing any trace of history that was created by, influenced by or even favored by anyone who has ever said or done anything arguably racist, you will be forever wiping out nearly every trace of human history.

It's a fool's errand cloaked in moral purity.

That's a straw man. No one is suggesting anything of the sort. 

[Surly Bevo 25655]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

 

Traditions are not sacrosanct. It's best not to get too attached to them.

 

A fantastic way to go through life....attach yourself to nothing and die..

[Tex Pete 21394]

4 hours ago, DanRydell said:

There's quite a difference between a song that was written by someone who happened to be racist and a song that was written to be performed in a minstrel show 

The exaggeration is ridiculous. It was written to mock the university president. Period. Intellectual dishonesty makes it hard to have adult discussions. 

[Armybrat 41320]

Must be a bunch of band dorks here. 😉

[TriStone 1724]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

That's a straw man. No one is suggesting anything of the sort. 

Yeah, just like when confederate statues started coming down.  It was a straw man to suggest that the founding fathers were next.  None of you fucksticks are ever suggesting anything until you suggest it.

[TriStone 1724]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

At some point in the not too distant future, however, the University of Texas will no longer sanction the Eyes of Texas at any event.

[DanRydell 799]

Yeah, just like when confederate statues started coming down.  It was a straw man to suggest that the founding fathers were next.  None of you fucksticks are ever suggesting anything until you suggest it.

There’s a reason it’s called the slippery slope fallacy.

[EastTexan 666]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

That's a straw man. No one is suggesting anything of the sort. 

Bull shit!

[Valmy77 13567]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

That's a straw man. No one is suggesting anything of the sort. 

So you are saying we should not sing a song, not because it says or expresses anything racist, but simply because of its association with some obscure person 100 years ago who was racist. I am having a hard time separating that what you are claiming you are not suggesting.

Care to make the distinction?

I mean the football program itself was created by a guy who came to UT because we hired the chaplain of Stonewall Jackson to be a theology professor. Not to mention the fact we segregated our program for almost 75 years. So why are we honoring and endorsing the racists who introduced and ran this program by continuing to have football at the University of Texas? Or is that somehow different from singing a song written by a racist? I don't know. Maybe you can explain that.

I think it might be possible, just like the football program itself, to move past that without cancelling it. Am I wrong?

Edited August 22, 2020 by Valmy77