Texas athletes petitioning University to replace "The Eyes of Texas" and to no longer require athletes to sing it

[GringoSalado 1,651]

2 hours ago, HottyToddy said:

I apologize.

negged

[David Dennison 18,668]

1 minute ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

Most of your old traditions were based - to a great degree - in racism. The EOT is not. 
 

But, thanks for the advice and well wishes. 

Yes, but the EOT was performed at student events steeped in racism. And that's the problem.

[LonghornSean 3,942]

8 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

this pisses me off even more. How the fuck do people all the sudden get offended by that?  Was that Caden in the last little frame there with a smile and his horns up?  Who were the guys sitting with the students smiling and having a great time?  

Yes that was Caden Sterns. The ones sitting among the crowd were Chris Brown and Jeffrey McCulloch I believe.

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Yes, but the EOT was performed at student events steeped in racism. And that's the problem.

So is Every other school song in America. Hey why don't we uproot the trees that were present during anything racist that happened while we are at it. Things can be taken to an extreme as well. Anyone can walk up and say "you know what that's racist and offensive to me so change it". Doesn't mean it is or has to be changed.

[David Dennison 18,668]

Just now, Rockethorn1978 said:

So is Every other school song in America. Hey why don't we uproot the trees that were present during anything racist that happened while we are at it. Things can be taken to an extreme as well. Anyone can walk up and say "you know what that's racist and offensive to me so change it". Doesn't mean it is or has to be changed.

Telling black players they have to stand and remain for a song they find offensive is equally extreme.

[bad_teammate 13,139]

UT athletic admin

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Telling black players they have to stand and remain for a song they find offensive is equally extreme.

Again just because someone says it's offensive doesn't make it so. If we want a chaotic system where kids can say i don't like this so change it then they will just start saying it to get their way,

"I find taking a test offensive" ok you don't have too,.

[David Dennison 18,668]

Just now, Rockethorn1978 said:

Again just because someone says it's offensive doesn't make it so. If we want a chaotic system where kids can say i don't like this so change it then they will just start saying it to get their way,

"I find taking a test offensive" ok you don't have too,.

Yes, it does.

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yes, it does.

At UT-Austin apparently so.

[LTtxfan 49,005]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Telling black players they have to stand and remain for a song they find offensive is equally extreme.

The whole team is being asked to stay in respect of fans... there are other players that are not black who find the history of how EOT originated as racist. 

So the message by staying for EOT provides a way for the team to show support and unity for the fans and The University...

[landman 559]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yes, it does.

Only to the person saying it.  Doesn't mean it's offensive to anyone/everyone else.  

  

[David Dennison 18,668]

5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

The whole team is being asked to stay in respect of fans... there are other players that are not black who find the history of how EOT originated as racist. 

So the message by staying for EOT provides a way for the team to show support and unity for the fans and The University...

Forcing them to do so is the exact opposite of support and unity.

[Tex Pete 20,186]

42 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

Those players that started the eyes issue over the summer are about to be faced with a very real life episode of "when keepin' it real goes wrong".

I would respect them if the entire premise weren't bullshit. Alas, it is.

[smwhorn 481]

8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yes, it does.

This take is offensive to me.

[Murfdogg21 4,412]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yes, it does.

You and your opinions offend me and should be removed from this forum. 

[ImissWallyPryor 9,045]

29 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yes, but the EOT was performed at student events steeped in racism. And that's the problem.

I hope BBQ wasn’t served at those events. 

[Tex Pete 20,186]

12 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

I hope BBQ wasn’t served at those events. 

You know how people got to those events? On their feet, wearing shoes. And what was said there? Words.

Man, we are going to have to cut out lots of things.

[LTtxfan 49,005]

23 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Forcing them to do so is the exact opposite of support and unity.

I disagree... While EOT has some issues in how it was originated, it has in many years that have followed been a unifier of players, fans, alumni and The University.  

I trust what Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams say about the EOT:

"I'm proud of that song,” Campbell said on a Zoom call with the media. “I think there's a lot of things that can be done other than that song in my opinion. I just believe 'The Eyes of Texas' stands for something."

Fellow Longhorns Heisman Trophy winner Ricky Williams also talked about the school’s ties to the song.  "I think it's important to understand our history and to understand where the song came from, but I think it's more powerful to transform the meaning of the song and the definition of the song rather than trying to erase our history like it never existed,” Williams said.

Edited October 15, 2020 by LTtxfan

[bad_teammate 13,139]

23 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Forcing them to do so is the exact opposite of support and unity.

Only if you think those young men are equal to you as Longhorns.

If you think they're less than you, though, there's no problem.

[Tex Pete 20,186]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Only if you think those young men are equal to you as Longhorns.

If you think they're less than you, though, there's no problem.

Shut the fuck up and stop race baiting. It's ridiculous. Not a single person here disagrees with any of our players because of their skin color.

[Tex Pete 20,186]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Did I mention race in that post?

lol telling on yourself a little

Of course. I know you are, but what am I?

[taybo20 2,815]

I think what has most of those upset, is a culture of enabling and in some aspects babying people who find something offensive, and not oppressive. It seemingly only takes a large enough group to decide they don’t like something, demand change, and use whatever they can to leverage the change. On the other side, those being forced to change don’t see a real reason to change as there is no actual oppression,  and catering to the offended isn’t really doing anything but giving candy to a baby.

it’s almost a no win situation, especially with something that has been so racially intertwined. The EoT is tainted now, and I’m not sure we will actually ever be able to go back. Those that support the song will have to accept it being gone. And those that want it gone should help foster a culture that embraces those resisting change and allow something new to takes its place. It’s not enough to say you are offended and why it offends you and expect someone to placate to you. They need to offer to reach out and express they aren’t against the fans or alums and that they still want them around and something to rally around like a new song. The fans and alums were here before and are going to be the here in the future and their importance can’t be understated, but the fans need to also allow for something new. It sucks because it felt great to sing the song with 100,000, but it certainly sucks when you get your ass beat like we have over the last 10 years.

 

yet with all things seemingly, no one wants to budge. And the unification of the university is not happening.  Leadership is needed and it’s seemingly nowhere in sight.

[Fastbreak 3,959]

I’ve thought about this a lot - and I’ve changed my opinion over the last 4 months. 
 

I’ve gone from, “everything in our past that has (some) racial undertones should be removed. If we lose the EoT, so be it” to “is this really what we need as a society?”

First, I’ve been attending UT sports for 40 years. My first “job” was selling cokes at the Alumni center before and after games. I’ve sung the EoT 1000s of times in many different contexts; After rout 66, after the Rose Bowl, in celebration of Ricky, after strollin’ Nolan, after being eliminated in a regional, good and bad. With a huge smile on my face or with tears in my eyes. 
 

For me, The EoT has always been an INCLUSIVE song. If you were young, old, male, female, binary, black, white or brown, if you threw the horns up and sang the song you were part of a group. 

The song in my mind has always meant 3 main things:

1. Your actions have meaning to many people (“the eyes of Texas are upon you”)

2. Your actions have have consequence (“all the live long day...you can not get away”)

3. Your actions will be remembered (“till Gabriel blows his horn”)

this all means that as Longhorns we hold ourselves to a higher standard. 

Yes, I realize that at a certain time in history this song was used by stupid people in a stupid way. But if this is the lens we judge things with then pretty much everything can be questioned. The foundations of Texas Football itself can be declared racist - there was a man on the moon before a black player took the field in burnt orange. 

[David Dennison 18,668]

29 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Shut the fuck up and stop race baiting. It's ridiculous. Not a single person here disagrees with any of our players because of their skin color.

No, but your differing opinions on the Eyes of Texas has everything to do with skin color.

[pops 6,974]

One can't give offense. Only take it. 

[bad_teammate 13,139]

5 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

On the other side, those being forced to change don’t see a real reason to change as there is no actual oppression,  and catering to the offended isn’t really doing anything but giving candy to a baby.

Yes, you have an extremely negative opinion of your fellow Longhorns and don't care or listen to their concerns. Congratulations?

3 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

For me, The EoT has always been an INCLUSIVE song. If you were young, old, male, female, binary, black, white or brown, if you threw the horns up and sang the song you were part of a group.

What if the world consisted of people other than you?

[bad_teammate 13,139]

Something missing from this discussion is establishing harm.

1a) Do you attend games?
1b) Do you stay for The Eyes?

If the answer is "no" to either one of those, why do you care?

[Hagbard Celine 10,771]

55 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I would respect them if the entire premise weren't bullshit. Alas, it is.

All they have to do is provide the evidence in the form of authentic contemporary sources which even intimate to the slightest degree that the UT student leaders who used Prather's recitation of Lee's phrase (with the noun "Texas" replacing the noun "South") at a minimum of 33 years after Lee's death did so with racist intent or cause in 1903.  If they can do that, in the court of historical accuracy and professional-grade logic, they win the day.

/judge smails

[Fastbreak 3,959]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yes, you have an extremely negative opinion of your fellow Longhorns and don't care or listen to their concerns. Congratulations?

What if the world consisted of people other than you?

I’ve changed “my” opinion, but it doesn’t mean I don’t respect others. 
 

can you tell me one time (in the past 50 years) where the EoT was used to discriminate or be exclusive? I’ll wait. 

[David Dennison 18,668]

Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

All they have to do is provide the evidence in the form of authentic contemporary sources which even intimate to the slightest degree that the UT student leaders who used Prather's recitation of Lee's phrase (with the noun "Texas" replacing the noun "South") at a minimum of 33 years after Lee's death did so with racist intent or cause in 1903.  If they can do that, in the court of historical accuracy and professional-grade logic, they win the day.

/judge smails

That conveniently ignores the fact that the song was performed at racist minstrel shows. 

 

[Hagbard Celine 10,771]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

That conveniently ignores the fact that the song was performed at racist minstrel shows.

The density of your cpu is in the same class as a neutron star.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Hagbard Celine
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[Loch Ness Monster 3,533]

Fans that love the song can stay as long as they want after games and sing it. Not sure what the problem is.

[David Dennison 18,668]

2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

The density of your cpu is in the same class as a neutron star.

Well, you are ignoring the actual issue by focusing on what you want the issue to be.

[bad_teammate 13,139]

3 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Fans that love the song can stay as long as they want after games and sing it. Not sure what the problem is.

They want to serenade and taunt the players that they hate.

For... uh... unity and tradition?

Edited October 15, 2020 by bad_teammate

[Hagbard Celine 10,771]

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[TriStone 1,724]

Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

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Wish I had more rep to give.

[Hagbard Celine 10,771]

here before them

here after them

here despite them

[elguapo 4,583]

9 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

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This is on Tom, the players required leadership on this issue and he has completely failed them and the fan base .

[bad_teammate 13,139]

4 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

here before them

here after them

here despite them

Where? On a message board?

You're brave and powerful.

[David Dennison 18,668]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Where? On a message board?

You're brave and powerful.

Internet is serious business.

[bad_teammate 13,139]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Internet is serious business.

As a fellow Poster, I respect the self-seriousness with which he said that hilariously stupid thing about being a resilient poster.

While you studied physical fitness, I studied the forums
While you developed your athletic skill, I increased my WPM
While you earned a scholarship to an elite program, I posted
And now that the barbarians are at the gate and want to not sing the I've Been Working on the Railroad song,
you want me to stop posting?

[Tex Pete 20,186]

38 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

No, but your differing opinions on the Eyes of Texas has everything to do with skin color.

Bullshit.

[David Dennison 18,668]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

Bullshit.

I'm that black players who have a problem that the EOT because it was performed at minstrel shows that featured white students in black face has nothing to do with skin color.

Brilliant.

[Tex Pete 20,186]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm that some black players who have a problem that the EOT...

It's only about race for someone who chooses to make it about race. I can certainly hear other people OPINIONS. That doesn't make them correct.

[Hagbard Celine 10,771]

21 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Where? On a message board?

You're brave and powerful.

and so are you.  i fap to your virtual authoritai.

[BurntOrange&White 39,698]

Thinking about it...you know what I find more racist than the eyes or Texas? It’s Kevin/DD assertion that we need to “just wait until basketball season” just  because the players are black. 

Edited October 15, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[Mitch Hedberg 2,090]

The written word, be it a story, a book or a song, has always been open for individual interpretation going back to the Bible itself. The overwhelming majority see nothing racist about the EOT and most of the others that do, now do so because they were told to by a “woke” professor. The origins of the song may have been questionable but over several decades the song has become overwhelmingly positive. Can the meaning not change over time? Can a negative beginning not become a positive? Can a child of rape not become a doctor, lawyer, President because of questionable beginning? Are criminals not given every chance to rehabilitate themselves into something positive? I have a problem with the way those that are offended by things get to pick and choose when they are offended. Current music lyrics are offensive to me. Yet they play the whole game. The N word is offensive, rightfully so, but seemingly only depending on who is saying it and never in a song unless sung by a white person. I have no problem with outrage but I do have a problem with selective outrage. Tradition makes college football. EOT is a great Texas tradition. I’m fine with telling current players and future recruits that ALL traditions will be participated in if you play at Texas. Let the chips fall where they may. It’s not like we’re winning championships now anyway. There are plenty of kids smart enough to see the beginning, transformation and importance of the song at UT. Recruiting will be fine after all this blows over. 

[ztejas 43,268]

The Amy Barrett hearing is less of an insipid beating than this thread.

Edited October 15, 2020 by ztejas

[Hagbard Celine 10,771]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Thinking about it...you know what I find more racist than the eyes or Texas? It’s Kevin/DD assertion that we need to “just wait until basketball season” just  because the players are black. 

We're past even arguing with them.  They have no solid ground so they spew forth gigs of gibberish like whack-a-mole re-covering ground on which they have already suffered comprehensive defeat.  We're just going around in circles at this point.   We need to flush the system and anyone who doesn't want to be here can GTFO.

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[Hank_Hill 18,505]

3 minutes ago, Mitch Hedberg said:

The written word, be it a story, a book or a song, has always been open for individual interpretation going back to the Bible itself. The overwhelming majority see nothing racist about the EOT and most of the others that do, now do so because they were told to by a “woke” professor. The origins of the song may have been questionable but over several decades the song has become overwhelmingly positive. Can the meaning not change over time? Can a negative beginning not become a positive? Can a child of rape not become a doctor, lawyer, President because of questionable beginning? Are criminals not given every chance to rehabilitate themselves into something positive? I have a problem with the way those that are offended by things get to pick and choose when they are offended. Current music lyrics are offensive to me. Yet they play the whole game. The N word is offensive, rightfully so, but seemingly only depending on who is saying it and never in a song unless sung by a white person. I have no problem with outrage but I do have a problem with selective outrage. Tradition makes college football. EOT is a great Texas tradition. I’m fine with telling current players and future recruits that ALL traditions will be participated in if you play at Texas. Let the chips fall where they may. It’s not like we’re winning championships now anyway. There are plenty of kids smart enough to see the beginning, transformation and importance of the song at UT. Recruiting will be fine after all this blows over. 

How dare they