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3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Once I realized that the Q thing was supposedly about bringing down pedophiles, I immediately came to the conclusion that all Q-ish Republicans were pedophiles.

It's ALWAYS projection with these people.

ALWAYS.

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51 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Dude's fucked. Good. 

 

48 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Saw this come across the wire and just...good god man.  The problem is these people really think a) they're invincible, b) they are doing nothing wrong, or c) both.

Oh you sweet, sweet summer children. 

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57 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Dude's fucked. Good. 

54 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Saw this come across the wire and just...good god man.  The problem is these people really think a) they're invincible, b) they are doing nothing wrong, or c) both.

50 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Well when you are used to daddy buying your way out of all your problems, it becomes pretty easy to start to feel invincible.

5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Oh you sweet, sweet summer children. 

If Gym Jordan and MTG are your only vocal defenders, and the your House leader thinks the allegations are troubling, and he's not defending you, you are probably fucked.

Even Trump at his worst had a shitload of Republicans willing to go on the record and defending the hell out of him.

 

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

If Gym Jordan and MTG are your only vocal defenders, and the your House leader thinks the allegations are troubling, and he's defending you, you are probably fucked.

Even Trump at his worst had a shitload of Republicans willing to go on the record and defending the hell out of him.

 

Well see. But the only way I think hes fucked is if he’s convicted and serves serious time. If he’s found innocent or faces probation or pleads out he’ll face zero consequences from his party leader or his electorate. 

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8 hours ago, gyroprotagonist said:

seems like it.  here's a blurb from a googled article.  there are a lot out there trying to describe the situation.

Just a weird deal if the boy's bio dad was in Miami the whole time.  

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A lot of biological dads are straight up pieces of shit

I might have firsthand experience 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well see. But the only way I think hes fucked is if he’s convicted and serves serious time. If he’s found innocent or faces probation or pleads out he’ll face zero consequences from his party leader or his electorate. 

The lack of Republican support for him in the House, and the fact that he was considering "retiring" (which would end his future political ambitions) to a 3rd-rate news network speaks volumes about his situation.

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well see. But the only way I think hes fucked is if he’s convicted and serves serious time. If he’s found innocent or faces probation or pleads out he’ll face zero consequences from his party leader or his electorate. 

Yep.  Add him to the pile of "all politicians do that" or "well he was just a bad apple" or "he was exonerated!" or "what?  I don't remember, it was too long ago".  The GQP is actually full of people in government that represent them PERFECTLY.  They know they are bad.  They have bad people representing them.  They hope they get away with it all and they are.

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The lack of Republican support for him in the House, and the fact that he was considering "retiring" (which would end his future political ambitions) to a 3rd-rate news network speaks volumes about his situation.

Hope you’re right. Let’s cross our fingers for a conviction. 

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Hope you’re right. Let’s cross our fingers for a conviction. 

Without the "retiring" bit, I'd lean more your way.  But going to NewsMax or OAN would completely take him out of the political arena, and that's not something an spiring Presidential candidate would normally do.

And keep in mind his potential opponents in 2024 are more than happy to see him go down now.

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3 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

I think a lot of it is information overload coming from dark money keeping too much dumb shit flowing.   

Take Texas right now, instead of worrying about the power grid, or expanding medicaid (which is a monetary win for all) sensible gun control, and education and infrastructure, we are worried about a) non existent voter fraud and b) immigration.   

The fallout from 20+ years of republican governance is coming home to roost, and they trot out the same old trope that Trump did...and everybody gets up in arms.  The media is all over these two topics, and the rest is floating away and won't be addressed meaningfully this session.

So yeah, when the media and all are busy chasing down these "big" stories that Cruz and Abbott, et al, keep tossing out, it's pretty easy for these lowlife grifters to get by with their plays, because no one is paying attention.   It's not that they don't care, but they are all worried too much about fixing the horrible things the 'ebil libs' have screwed up, too busy keeping communism at bay to deal with little petty things like county officials running  multiple scams and sex trafficking out of their offices.  

Hopefully Texas wakes up like Kansas did after 2 terms of Brownback and elects a Dem governor just to get some backwards ass shit fixed or gotten rid of.  Honestly, I was considering Texas if I returned to the U.S. since several of my siblings live there now; however, after the past year it is off the list based on the current state of affairs in TX and the apparent downward trend of sanity in the state government there.

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I am starting to think he is the son Trump wishes he had. Chases underage tail, brags about his "conquests", had a father who could cover all his fuck ups, does stupid shit to get attention, pals around with morally bankrupt people, lies a lot, and he wears ill-fitting suits.

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Here's Bama Chicks story:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.html

 

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A Justice Department investigation into Representative Matt Gaetz and an indicted Florida politician is focusing on their involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments, according to people close to the investigation and text messages and payment receipts reviewed by The New York Times.

Investigators believe Joel Greenberg, the former tax collector in Seminole County, Fla., who was indicted last year on a federal sex trafficking charge and other crimes, initially met the women through websites that connect people who go on dates in exchange for gifts, fine dining, travel and allowances, according to three people with knowledge of the encounters. Mr. Greenberg introduced the women to Mr. Gaetz, who also had sex with them, the people said.

 

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One of the women who had sex with both men also agreed to have sex with an unidentified associate of theirs in Florida Republican politics, according to a person familiar with the arrangement. Mr. Greenberg had initially contacted her online and introduced her to Mr. Gaetz, the person said.

Mr. Gaetz denied ever paying a woman for sex.

 

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The Justice Department inquiry is also examining whether Mr. Gaetz had sex with a 17-year-old girl and whether she received anything of material value, according to four people familiar with the investigation. The sex trafficking count against Mr. Greenberg involved the same girl, according to two people briefed on the investigation.

The authorities have also investigated whether other men connected to Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg had sex with the 17-year-old, two of the people said.

Mr. Gaetz, 38, was elected to Congress in 2016 and became one of President Donald J. Trump’s most outspoken advocates.

 

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The Times has reviewed receipts from Cash App, a mobile payments app, and Apple Pay that show payments from Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg to one of the women, and a payment from Mr. Greenberg to a second woman. The women told their friends that the payments were for sex with the two men, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

In encounters during 2019 and 2020, Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg instructed the women to meet at certain times and places, often at hotels around Florida, and would tell them the amount of money they were willing to pay, according to the messages and interviews.

One person said that the men also paid in cash, sometimes withdrawn from a hotel ATM.

Some of the men and women took ecstasy, an illegal hallucinogenic drug, before having sex, including Mr. Gaetz, two people familiar with the encounters said.

 

In some cases, Mr. Gaetz asked women to help find others who might be interested in having sex with him and his friends, according to two people familiar with those conversations. Should anyone inquire about their relationships, one person said, Mr. Gaetz told the women to say that he had paid for hotel rooms and dinners as part of their dates.

The F.B.I. has questioned multiple women involved in the encounters, including as recently as January, to establish details of their relationships with Mr. Gaetz and his friends, according to text messages and two people familiar with the interviews.

No charges have been brought against Mr. Gaetz, and the extent of his criminal exposure is unclear. Mr. Gaetz’s office issued a statement on Thursday night in a response to a request for comment.

“Matt Gaetz has never paid for sex,” the statement said. “Matt Gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gaetz has never ever been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life.”

A lawyer for Mr. Greenberg, Fritz Scheller, declined to comment, as did a Justice Department spokesman.

It is not illegal to provide adults with free hotel stays, meals and other gifts, but if prosecutors think they can prove that the payments to the women were for sex, they could accuse Mr. Gaetz of trafficking the women under “force, fraud or coercion.” For example, prosecutors have filed trafficking charges against people suspected of providing drugs in exchange for sex because feeding another person’s drug habit could be seen as a form of coercion.

It is also a violation of federal child sex trafficking law to provide someone under 18 with anything of value in exchange for sex, which can include meals, hotels, drugs, alcohol or cigarettes. A conviction carries a 10-year mandatory minimum prison sentence.

The investigation stems from the Justice Department’s continuing inquiry into Mr. Greenberg, who potentially faces decades in prison on three dozen charges. The U.S. attorney’s office in Central Florida initially secured an indictment against Mr. Greenberg in June, alleging that he had stalked a political rival and had used his elected office to create fake identification cards.

During the investigation, the authorities discovered evidence that prompted them to broaden it, and Mr. Greenberg was indicted in August on the sex trafficking charge.

One of the sites the men met women through was called Seeking Arrangement, which describes itself as a place where wealthy people find attractive companions and pamper them “with fine dinners, exotic trips and allowances.” The site’s founder has said it has 20 million members worldwide. The F.B.I. mentioned the website in a conversation with at least one potential witness, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

Mr. Greenberg was indicted this week on additional charges, accusing him of submitting false claims to receive pandemic relief aid from the government and trying to bribe a government official. The authorities said Mr. Greenberg undertook those efforts after he was initially indicted last summer.

Mr. Greenberg, who has pleaded not guilty to the earlier charges, is scheduled to go on trial in June. He was sent to jail in March for violating the terms of his bail.

Mr. Gaetz said this week that his lawyers had been in touch with the Justice Department and that he was the subject, not the target, of an investigation. Subjects of investigations are often witnesses or people who might have information that could help the government pursue its targets. But it is common for that designation to shift over the course of an investigation.

“I only know that it has to do with women,” Mr. Gaetz said. “I have a suspicion that someone is trying to recategorize my generosity to ex-girlfriends as something more untoward.”

Mr. Gaetz, a lawyer, was first elected to the House representing the Florida Panhandle at age 34. The son of a former president of the Florida State Senate, Mr. Gaetz attended Florida State University and William & Mary Law School before serving in the Florida State Legislature.

Mr. Gaetz has sought to divert attention from the Justice Department investigation by claiming that he and his father were the targets of an extortion plot by two men trying to secure funding for a separate venture.

The men — Robert Kent, a former Air Force intelligence officer who runs a consulting business, and Stephen Alford, a real estate developer who has been convicted of fraud — approached Mr. Gaetz’s father, Don Gaetz, about funding their efforts to locate Robert A. Levinson, an American hostage held in Iran. They suggested to Don Gaetz that Mr. Levinson’s successful return could somehow be used to secure a pardon for Matt Gaetz if he were charged with federal crimes, according to a copy of their proposal provided to The Times.

Soon after, Don Gaetz hired a lawyer and contacted the F.B.I. Matt Gaetz said his father wore a wire and taped a meeting and a telephone conversation with Mr. Alford. An email exchange between Don Gaetz’s lawyer and the Justice Department provided to The Times appears to confirm he was generally cooperating with the F.B.I. as it looked into his claims.

Mr. Kent denied the Gaetzes’ assertions. He said he had heard rumors that Matt Gaetz might be under investigation and mentioned them only to sweeten his proposal. “I told him I’m not trying to extort, but if this were true, he might be interested in doing something good,” Mr. Kent said in an interview.

Last year, the Trump administration notified the family of Mr. Levinson, a former F.B.I. agent, that he had died while in captivity in Iran, where he disappeared in 2007 while on an unauthorized mission for the C.I.A.

But some people involved with the Levinson case continued to believe that he might still be alive, including Mr. Kent.

He was stunned when he heard that Matt Gaetz had sought to tie the Justice Department investigation to an extortion plot related to the Levinson case.

“He threw Levinson and the entire Levinson family under the bus,” Mr. Kent said. “I can’t imagine what these poor people have been through. This guy, to divert attention from himself, has raked up the attention to the family.”

Don Gaetz also taped a phone call and a meeting with David McGee, a Levinson family lawyer, where they discussed the rescue proposal. In an interview, Mr. McGee denied any involvement and suggested Matt Gaetz was conflating the matter inappropriately with his own potential criminal liability.

“He’s trying to distract attention from a pending tidal wave that is about to sink his ship,” Mr. McGee said.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Here's Bama Chicks story:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.html

 

 

 

 

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The Times has reviewed receipts from Cash App, a mobile payments app, and Apple Pay that show payments from Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg to one of the women, and a payment from Mr. Greenberg to a second woman. The women told their friends that the payments were for sex with the two men, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

In encounters during 2019 and 2020, Mr. Gaetz and Mr. Greenberg instructed the women to meet at certain times and places, often at hotels around Florida, and would tell them the amount of money they were willing to pay, according to the messages and interviews.

One person said that the men also paid in cash, sometimes withdrawn from a hotel ATM.

Some of the men and women took ecstasy, an illegal hallucinogenic drug, before having sex, including Mr. Gaetz, two people familiar with the encounters said.

 

In some cases, Mr. Gaetz asked women to help find others who might be interested in having sex with him and his friends, according to two people familiar with those conversations. Should anyone inquire about their relationships, one person said, Mr. Gaetz told the women to say that he had paid for hotel rooms and dinners as part of their dates.

The F.B.I. has questioned multiple women involved in the encounters, including as recently as January, to establish details of their relationships with Mr. Gaetz and his friends, according to text messages and two people familiar with the interviews.

No charges have been brought against Mr. Gaetz, and the extent of his criminal exposure is unclear. Mr. Gaetz’s office issued a statement on Thursday night in a response to a request for comment.

“Matt Gaetz has never paid for sex,” the statement said. “Matt Gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gaetz has never ever been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life.”

A lawyer for Mr. Greenberg, Fritz Scheller, declined to comment, as did a Justice Department spokesman.

It is not illegal to provide adults with free hotel stays, meals and other gifts, but if prosecutors think they can prove that the payments to the women were for sex, they could accuse Mr. Gaetz of trafficking the women under “force, fraud or coercion.” For example, prosecutors have filed trafficking charges against people suspected of providing drugs in exchange for sex because feeding another person’s drug habit could be seen as a form of coercion.

It is also a violation of federal child sex trafficking law to provide someone under 18 with anything of value in exchange for sex, which can include meals, hotels, drugs, alcohol or cigarettes. A conviction carries a 10-year mandatory minimum prison sentence.

The investigation stems from the Justice Department’s continuing inquiry into Mr. Greenberg, who potentially faces decades in prison on three dozen charges. The U.S. attorney’s office in Central Florida initially secured an indictment against Mr. Greenberg in June, alleging that he had stalked a political rival and had used his elected office to create fake identification cards.

During the investigation, the authorities discovered evidence that prompted them to broaden it, and Mr. Greenberg was indicted in August on the sex trafficking charge.

One of the sites the men met women through was called Seeking Arrangement, which describes itself as a place where wealthy people find attractive companions and pamper them “with fine dinners, exotic trips and allowances.” The site’s founder has said it has 20 million members worldwide. The F.B.I. mentioned the website in a conversation with at least one potential witness, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

Mr. Greenberg was indicted this week on additional charges, accusing him of submitting false claims to receive pandemic relief aid from the government and trying to bribe a government official. The authorities said Mr. Greenberg undertook those efforts after he was initially indicted last summer.

Mr. Greenberg, who has pleaded not guilty to the earlier charges, is scheduled to go on trial in June. He was sent to jail in March for violating the terms of his bail.

Mr. Gaetz said this week that his lawyers had been in touch with the Justice Department and that he was the subject, not the target, of an investigation. Subjects of investigations are often witnesses or people who might have information that could help the government pursue its targets. But it is common for that designation to shift over the course of an investigation.

“I only know that it has to do with women,” Mr. Gaetz said. “I have a suspicion that someone is trying to recategorize my generosity to ex-girlfriends as something more untoward.”

Mr. Gaetz, a lawyer, was first elected to the House representing the Florida Panhandle at age 34. The son of a former president of the Florida State Senate, Mr. Gaetz attended Florida State University and William & Mary Law School before serving in the Florida State Legislature.

Mr. Gaetz has sought to divert attention from the Justice Department investigation by claiming that he and his father were the targets of an extortion plot by two men trying to secure funding for a separate venture.

The men — Robert Kent, a former Air Force intelligence officer who runs a consulting business, and Stephen Alford, a real estate developer who has been convicted of fraud — approached Mr. Gaetz’s father, Don Gaetz, about funding their efforts to locate Robert A. Levinson, an American hostage held in Iran. They suggested to Don Gaetz that Mr. Levinson’s successful return could somehow be used to secure a pardon for Matt Gaetz if he were charged with federal crimes, according to a copy of their proposal provided to The Times.

Soon after, Don Gaetz hired a lawyer and contacted the F.B.I. Matt Gaetz said his father wore a wire and taped a meeting and a telephone conversation with Mr. Alford. An email exchange between Don Gaetz’s lawyer and the Justice Department provided to The Times appears to confirm he was generally cooperating with the F.B.I. as it looked into his claims.

Mr. Kent denied the Gaetzes’ assertions. He said he had heard rumors that Matt Gaetz might be under investigation and mentioned them only to sweeten his proposal. “I told him I’m not trying to extort, but if this were true, he might be interested in doing something good,” Mr. Kent said in an interview.

Last year, the Trump administration notified the family of Mr. Levinson, a former F.B.I. agent, that he had died while in captivity in Iran, where he disappeared in 2007 while on an unauthorized mission for the C.I.A.

But some people involved with the Levinson case continued to believe that he might still be alive, including Mr. Kent.

He was stunned when he heard that Matt Gaetz had sought to tie the Justice Department investigation to an extortion plot related to the Levinson case.

“He threw Levinson and the entire Levinson family under the bus,” Mr. Kent said. “I can’t imagine what these poor people have been through. This guy, to divert attention from himself, has raked up the attention to the family.”

Don Gaetz also taped a phone call and a meeting with David McGee, a Levinson family lawyer, where they discussed the rescue proposal. In an interview, Mr. McGee denied any involvement and suggested Matt Gaetz was conflating the matter inappropriately with his own potential criminal liability.

“He’s trying to distract attention from a pending tidal wave that is about to sink his ship,” Mr. McGee said.

 

 

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

The lack of Republican support for him in the House, and the fact that he was considering "retiring" (which would end his future political ambitions) to a 3rd-rate news network speaks volumes about his situation.

I still don’t get the retiring to Newsmax thing.  Did he think by changing careers all this shit would just magically disappear?

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6 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I still don’t get the retiring to Newsmax thing.  Did he think by changing careers all this shit would just magically disappear?

Desperate people don’t think clearly. He thinks he’s trump and therefore can skate. He’s not trump and he’s wrong.

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52 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Mr. Greenberg was indicted this week on additional charges, accusing him of submitting false claims to receive pandemic relief aid from the government and trying to bribe a government official. The authorities said Mr. Greenberg undertook those efforts after he was initially indicted last summer.

Mr. Greenberg, who has pleaded not guilty to the earlier charges, is scheduled to go on trial in June. He was sent to jail in March for violating the terms of his bail.

What the fuck? He was already indicted for other shit last summer, so he decides it would be a good idea to submit false claims for pandemic relief.

Holy fuck, this guy must have some kind of seriously fucked up compulsive disorder to think that would be a good idea.

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The media is trying too hard to break small details of this story. There are too many breaking stories that make it seem like the press is going after him. It is going to have the opposite effect on the public. I wouldn’t be shocked if he starts to leak false info like  the Trump admin to harm the press’ credibility. 

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12 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I still don’t get the retiring to Newsmax thing.  Did he think by changing careers all this shit would just magically disappear?

Just spitballing here, but if he runs for reelection next year, all of this shit will be used against him, either in a primary by another Republican who smells blood in the water, or by a Democrat.  If he "retires" to Newmax, he doesn't have to go through a vicious reelection campaign within the next year that could harm him for future political runs. "Retire" to Newsmax and hope this shit blows over within a few years.

But the problem with that is he still has legal issues to face, and if you are a politician, ducking out of politics for a few cycles does not help you at all - it takes you out of the spotlight, takes away your platform, nobody is rushing to interview you, you don't get to claim you are doing stuff "for the people",  and with Newsmax, his profile would shrink, and he would be seen by few people.  Or to put it another way, he's not going to be able to walk out into a hallway and start talking to reporters, and he's not going to be able to go on Fox News, etc.

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4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Saw this come across the wire and just...good god man.  The problem is these people really think a) they're invincible, b) they are doing nothing wrong, or c) both.

Same mindset as the Trump rioters who live streamed themselved breaking into the Capital.

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47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Just spitballing here, but if he runs for reelection next year, all of this shit will be used against him, either in a primary by another Republican who smells blood in the water, or by a Democrat.  If he "retires" to Newmax, he doesn't have to go through a vicious reelection campaign within the next year that could harm him for future political runs. "Retire" to Newsmax and hope this shit blows over within a few years.

But the problem with that is he still has legal issues to face, and if you are a politician, ducking out of politics for a few cycles does not help you at all - it takes you out of the spotlight, takes away your platform, nobody is rushing to interview you, you don't get to claim you are doing stuff "for the people",  and with Newsmax, his profile would shrink, and he would be seen by few people.  Or to put it another way, he's not going to be able to walk out into a hallway and start talking to reporters, and he's not going to be able to go on Fox News, etc.

Besides his M.O. seems more appropriate for a job at Fox.

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