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12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah...saw that story this weekend, and it makes you want to puke.  Don't have many facts on it, so really can't figure out how I come down on it, other than.....another unarmed (black) man shot dead by a cop.  It's a shitty fucking outcome, and fucking WHY?

 

Right. I have the unrealistic attitude that cops should be able to break up a fight and even protect themselves without needing to shoot someone.

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What a shitty attitude. Hope you don’t pass it on to the little one. 

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Good job, Rangers.

 

Looks like they moved him to Rockwall. More detail here.

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HUNT COUNTY, Texas (CBSDFW) – Shaun David Lucas, the Wolfe City police officer allegedly connected to the shooting death of Jonathan Price was arrested and charged with murder.

His bond was set at $1 million.
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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed, glad the arrest and the actual serious charge happened, and happened quickly.

But the underlying question remains: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR POLICE?  WHY ARE THEY ON A GODDAMNED HAIR-TRIGGER?  IT'S A SICKNESS.

(Bad training and recruiting practices + culture war) * real estate prices = occupying force mentality

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed, glad the arrest and the actual serious charge happened, and happened quickly.

But the underlying question remains: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR POLICE?  WHY ARE THEY ON A GODDAMNED HAIR-TRIGGER?  IT'S A SICKNESS.

I legitimately think part of the core issue is that when cops shoot someone the discussion always is around justified or not. We need to reframe this discussion so that extrajudicial killings are viewed as a massive problem whether justified or not.

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

(Bad training and recruiting practices + culture war) * real estate prices = occupying force mentality

 

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

I legitimately think part of the core issue is that when cops shoot someone the discussion always is around justified or not. We need to reframe this discussion so that extrajudicial killings are viewed as a massive problem whether justified or not.

Both of these responses are good.  We need to completely rethink our policing (which is exactly what the "defund the police" movement has raised, repeatedly).  We can't just tweak a couple of things when the entire culture and mechanism is broken.

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Town of 1500 and the deceased worked for the City. Cop must have known him at least by sight. Either had some personal animosity toward him or literally saw a chance to shoot a black guy and took it. No way that was simply negligence 

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed, glad the arrest and the actual serious charge happened, and happened quickly.

But the underlying question remains: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR POLICE?  WHY ARE THEY ON A GODDAMNED HAIR-TRIGGER?  IT'S A SICKNESS.

There's a reason Andy only gave Barney one bullet, and even then had him carry it in a shirt pocket.  A huge problem with our current police mentality is your power and authority come through the stuff on your service belt, and that any interaction with the public can be fatal.  Cops rarely see the public as people anymore.  Its all various shades of threat that they have to match up to the items on their belt.  They have been trained and conditioned that its them versus us, and they know the legal system will err on their side more often than not.  Defunding the police likely wont solve anything.  In a few years they will steadily ramp that money back up and maintain the status quo.  Until we fundamentally change the core of policing (training, blue wall, all of it), this shit will not change. 

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38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed, glad the arrest and the actual serious charge happened, and happened quickly.

But the underlying question remains: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR POLICE?  WHY ARE THEY ON A GODDAMNED HAIR-TRIGGER?  IT'S A SICKNESS.

You know why. 

Low IQ + Power Trip + Likes to Play Dress Up as Fallujah Soldier + Culture of Good (Cop) v Evil (citizen) + racism = Respect My Authority!

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45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed, glad the arrest and the actual serious charge happened, and happened quickly.

But the underlying question remains: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR POLICE?  WHY ARE THEY ON A GODDAMNED HAIR-TRIGGER?  IT'S A SICKNESS.

I have to think hiring practices have to be a big part of this. I just can't believe training (or lack there of) is why these type things keep occurring so frequently.  I feel like if there ever needed to be an profiling case study it needs to be on police hiring policies and how to do better from the start.  Being ex military should not be a positive in the hiring process, in fact it should be a big negative.  Military and police are on different ends of the security spectrum.

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Yeah, this needs to be brought back up (and not just in the DT safe space):

On 9/24/2020 at 1:42 PM, GRHorn said:

What would y’all want these cops charged with under the current law? They served a warrant, received fire, and returned it. If cops receive fire, what are they supposed to do?
 

Even Stephen A Smith pointed this out earlier today on tv. You want a different outcome, you need to try to change some of the law. Hopefully LeBron and some of these athletes were watching him today. Acting outraged at an obvious outcome, without realizing why it happened is just inciting violence. 
 

Get mad at the war on drugs or other things that lead cops down the path of this kind of thing happening. 

My original response is below. More critically, new evidence shows the cops lied in the affidavit to get the warrant for the search. 

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Detective Joshua Jaynes swore in a March 12 affidavit that he verified the packages with a postal inspector.

But Jaynes admitted something different on May 19 while being questioned by LMPD investigators looking into Taylor's fatal police shooting during a March 13 search of her apartment.

Jaynes said he actually had asked another officer, Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, to verify with postal inspectors that Jamarcus Glover, Taylor's ex-boyfriend and the target of a narcotics investigation, was getting packages at her home. And Mattingly had been told indirectly she wasn't.

"I could have worded a little bit differently in there," Jaynes told investigators about the affidavit he submitted declaring that he himself had verified the package information postal inspectors.

"It was just, uh, in my opinion, that when I reach out to (Mattingly), the end-all-be-all was gonna be from a U.S. postal inspector office or the post office."

The day after Jaynes gave his interview, Sgt. Jeremy Ruoff with the department's Public Integrity Unit filled out a form requesting to obtain records from Jaynes' computer. Jaynes has been on administrative reassignment since June.

Public Integrity Unit investigators in their July 2 summary wrote that "wording on the affidavit is misleading" and "given Jaynes' statement related to the information, should be reviewed for criminal actions."

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/10/07/breonna-taylor-case-what-cop-who-got-warrant-told-police/5912336002/

My post was 100% correct, although apparently I missed perjury. 

On 9/24/2020 at 2:16 PM, Dahobbs said:

You don't get to start a dangerous situation then divorce yourself completely from the consequences. At least, the rest of us don't. Apparently the cops do, and you agree with it because you're morally, ethically, emotionally, and intellectually challenged. 

But, here you go, they should be charged with:

  • Section 507.020 - Murder - A person is guilty of murder when: (a) With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person

Maybe they have a defense. Maybe they can say they didn't intend to cause her death. Let them make that argument to a jury. 

  • Section 507.030 - Manslaughter in the first degree - A person is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree when: (a) With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person

Again, if they have a defense, let me present it to a jury. 

  • Section 507.050 - Reckless homicide - A person is guilty of reckless homicide when, with recklessness he causes the death of another person

Their actions in serving the warrant were the very definition of reckless, as was the blinding shooting into a residence. 

  • Kentucky Statutes 507.040 – Manslaughter in the second degree  - A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when he wantonly causes the death of another person
  • Kentucky Statutes 519.060 – Tampering with public records  - A person is guilty of tampering with public records when: (a) He knowingly makes a false entry in or falsely alters any public record or (b) Knowing he lacks the authority to do so, he intentionally destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or otherwise impairs the availability of any public records

  • Kentucky Statutes 508.010 – Assault in the first degree  - A person is guilty of assault in the first degree when: (a) He intentionally causes serious physical injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument; or (b) Under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life he wantonly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to another and thereby causes serious physical injury to another person.

  • Kentucky Statutes 522.020 – Official misconduct in the first degree - (1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct in the first degree when, with intent to obtain or confer a benefit or to injure another person or to deprive another person of a benefit, he knowingly: (a) Commits an act relating to his office which constitutes an unauthorized exercise of his official functions; or (b) Refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office; or (c) Violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office.

  • Kentucky Statutes 524.100 – Tampering with physical evidence  - 1) A person is guilty of tampering with physical evidence when, believing that an official proceeding is pending or may be instituted, he: (a) Destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes or alters physical evidence which he believes is about to be produced or used in the official proceeding with intent to impair its verity or availability in the official proceeding; or (b) Fabricates any physical evidence with intent that it be introduced in the official proceeding or offers any physical evidence, knowing it to be fabricated or altered.

 

And more evidence of bullshit conduct by the AG's office:

 

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They DID intend to cause her death (or the death of whoever they were shooting at).  The question is whether the perjury to obtain the warrant, which means they actually had NO bonafide legal right to enter the property, deprives them of the defense of self defense.

The statutory exception to self-defense:

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503.060 Improper use of physical force in self-protection. Notwithstanding the provisions of KRS 503.050, the use of physical force by a defendant upon another person is not justifiable when: (1) The defendant is resisting an arrest by a peace officer, recognized to be acting under color of official authority and using no more force than reasonably necessary to effect the arrest, although the arrest is unlawful; or (2) The defendant, with the intention of causing death or serious physical injury to the other person, provokes the use of physical force by such other person; or (3) The defendant was the initial aggressor,

If you are acting not under a valid warrant, but instead are illegally busting down someone's door, I think you have an argument that the cops are the "initial aggressor."

The police, acting as a joint criminal enterprise, fraudulently obtained a warrant to enter a property.  Because it was fraudulent, they actually had NO right to enter the property.  Therefore, they were the "aggressors."

That's the reasoning, at least.  I don't know what the law is on a fraudulently obtained warrant, and whether that deprives you of the status of a person making lawful entry.  Others around here surely understand it better.

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Yikes

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/nyregion/nyc-courts-racism.html

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One white court officer in Brooklyn posted an illustration of President Barack Obama with a noose around his neck on social media. Another white officer referred to a Black court officer as “one of the good monkeys.”

A third white court officer commented to a white colleague that he would have done better on a firearms test if he had been given a “Sean Bell target,” a reference to an unarmed Black man killed by the police in 2006.

The incidents of overt racism were among several mentioned in a new report about racial bias in the New York State Court system commissioned by Chief Judge Janet DiFiore after national protests this summer against institutional racism in the criminal justice system.

Jeh C. Johnson, a former Homeland Security secretary under President Obama, led the team that did the review. His report, released with little fanfare last week, found pervasive racism in New York courts, both explicit and implicit, from judges, court officers and lawyers. The accounts of racial bias the team collected bore a striking similarity to testimony in another review from three decades ago, the report said.

 

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8860991/Woman-stood-yelling-white-lives-matter-30-minutes-protest-BLM-sign-gets-hosed-down.html

 

 

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A Texas woman outraged at a Black Lives Matter sign she spotted while driving past a stranger's home was hosed down with water after she attempted to confront the sign's owner.  

The unidentified woman had sat in her car in the middle of the street and screamed 'white lives matter' for 30 minutes before she and one of the neighborhood's residents had it out. 

Video footage posted to Reddit on Monday captured the moment the woman left her car in the Oak Hill area of Austin only to be hit with water and fall to the ground. 

 

The video is great (if you can get it to load on that horrendous website). She looks exactly like you'd imagine. 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-judge-orders-grand-jury-records-unsealed-breonna-taylor-case-n1244041

 

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A grand juror who heard evidence in the Breonna Taylor probe said Tuesday that the grand jury didn’t agree that her fatal shooting was justified, a disclosure that came after a Kentucky judge ordered records in the proceedings released to show if "publicly elected officials are being honest."

In a statement, “Grand Juror #1,” as the person has been identified by lawyer Kevin Glogower, said that the only charge presented during the proceedings was wanton endangerment.

Former Louisville Police Det. Brett Hankison was indicted last month on that charge for firing shots into the apartment of Taylor’s neighbors on March 13.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron, whose office investigated the fatal shooting, has called the use of force justified.

“Questions were asked about the additional charges and the grand jury was told there would be none because the prosecutors didn’t feel they could make them stick,” the statement said. “The grand jury didn’t agree that certain actions were justified, nor did it decide the indictment should be the only charges in the Breonna Taylor case.”

 

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SIAP --Texas Boogaloo boy wanted for Minneapolis shenanigans pulled over with assault weapons and pot -- free to go on his way

https://www.kut.org/post/texas-boogaloo-boi-charged-minneapolis-riots-was-pulled-over-austin-he-was-let-go?fbclid=IwAR2c2XJbfUuMqK3iLscepx95BCcuXf2G8xNEeogG32_865XG6GNOw-gYiio

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On May 28, Hunter allegedly fired an AK-47-style rifle into the Minneapolis Police Department's third precinct, which was ultimately set ablaze using Molotov cocktails. The fire was blamed initially on protesters.

Days later, Hunter was in downtown Austin near protests outside Austin police headquarters with two other men – all three of whom allegedly were equipped with assault-style weapons and tactical gear.

According to the complaint, Hunter and the two men were pulled over later for driving erratically. The officers reportedly found two pistols and three assault rifles – including an AK-47 with a floral-print magazine that matched a witness description of Hunter's weapon – along with marijuana.

Hunter told police he didn't own the weapons, but that that he was head of a chapter of the Boogaloo Bois, a group that's incited violence at peaceful protests of Floyd's death across the country and openly espouses its support of a second civil war.

"HUNTER denied owning any of the weapons found in the vehicle but volunteered to APD officers that he was the leader of the Boogaloo Bois in South Texas and that he was present in Minneapolis when the Third Precinct was set on fire," the complaint reads.

APD seized the weapons, including a total of seven magazines that allegedly belonged to Hunter, and let the three men go.

 

yeah not at all impressed with APD and their whining about being defunded and meanwhile puling this kind of shit showing complicity with white supremacist groups (who actually say they want to kill cops by the way)

 

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A remarkable but tragic aspect of the Wilmington insurrection of 1898 is the head perpetrator that forced the mayor and police chief to resign at gunpoint remained mayor for the following eight years. He was never held accountable for his crimes.

How did he do it? He used lies and propaganda rooted in overt appeals to white supremacy before and after the insurrection. 

"The Story of The Wilmington, North Carolina, Race Riots"<—article written by lead insurrectionist in the local paper afterwards. This article, written by a violent white supremacist, was the first time on record the phrase “race riot” appears in print. 

 

Below, the Wilmington coup is described in a more accurate framing in the Richmond Planet. Nov. 19, 1898:

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"Warren alleges that Tyson drove around the area once in his state-owned vehicle when no one was in his way. The second time, she said, he sped up and tried to hit the group but he ended up jumping the curb.

 

Dispatch calls obtained by the Observer revealed that Tyson called to report that there were people in the street blocking traffic and that they were coming around his car. Video released by the city doesn’t show protesters gathering near Tyson’s vehicle.

 

“It’s a baldfaced lie,” Warren said of Tyson’s call. “He needs to be dealt with for making false accusations to 911.”

Warren said she tried to press charges twice before at the magistrate’s office only to be instructed by civil officers that she couldn’t, or was informed that Tyson was no longer a judge — which is untrue. It wasn’t until an investigator reviewed footage of the incident that she was told she had a case, she said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/17/north-carolina-judge-protesters-hit/

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3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I wasn't sure where to put this. As someone notes in Coaston's comments: "Charles Murray is the thinking man's Richard Spencer."

 

    What was the cognitive ability of the Europeans during The Crusades Mr Murray?

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    What was the cognitive ability of the Europeans during The Crusades Mr Murray?

I read a recent twitter thread by Michael Herriot (of The Root). It started (I think) regarding some conversation about Kanye or some other celebrity. I don't follow celebrities so much so whatever started that I missed. Anyway, he discussed some of the early American history in the colonies, and more specifically South Carolina. Early white settlers are likely alive due to indigenous peoples and slaves because on more than one occasion the English/colonists would've starved to death.

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