COVID-19 2nd wave - Texas only - Stats and such

[Texaus 372]

Teacher talk not going away. Stop fucking up the thread please

[Bevo 13527]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

I used to be a teacher, in Texas at that, so I'm aware of what the job looks like. The compensation issue is a seperate topic from what I was responding to.

separate

[Js1 85109]

1 minute ago, Texaus said:

Teacher talk not going away. Stop fucking up the thread please

Covid has forced people to become teachers and chefs and actually interact with their families 

[gmr548 16512]

separate

See now this is educating.

[ChiTownDoc 21101]

10 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I hate kids. I hate discussions about kids. I hate Covid. I hate non-sequiturs. And I hate you all.

Subscribed.  
 

Remember when they took attendance and those assholes would say ‘present’ instead of ‘here’...I really hated those people.   

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

4 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

I used to be a teacher, in Texas at that, so I'm aware of what the job looks like. The compensation issue is a seperate topic from what I was responding to.

 

So, did you not receive 1.5 hours every day without students where you could grade and lesson plan (and eat?) or were just ignoring that?  
That’s not nothing. 
did you not have a curriculum director?  Because almost all districts have that now. 
did you not have standardized tests?  Because again, both districts I was in had those. 
They told us what material to teach, when to teach it, and wrote the examinations for us. Literally all we had to do was the how on teaching and they had all sorts of samples and stuff like that. 
saying that 45 hours is a minimum and doesn’t count all that other stuff is really misleading. 

[DDD Dad 14251]

So, did you not receive 1.5 hours every day without students where you could grade and lesson plan (and eat?) or were just ignoring that?  
That’s not nothing. 
did you not have a curriculum director?  Because almost all districts have that now. 
did you not have standardized tests?  Because again, both districts I was in had those. 
They told us what material to teach, when to teach it, and wrote the examinations for us. Literally all we had to do was the how on teaching and they had all sorts of samples and stuff like that. 
saying that 45 hours is a minimum and doesn’t count all that other stuff is really misleading. 

My daughter teaches elementary.

No.
Yes but that addresses only 60,000 foot view.
Yes. Irrelevant to standard curriculum tests and daily work.

Maybe high school is different.

Minimizing what teachers do is beneath you.

[dcar00 14035]

59 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

You forgot the part that you are essentially babysitting 20-25 kids, 80% of whom have parents that don’t do shit for them in the home as far as learning/interacting, especially at the elementary level.  

this is the problem.  

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

9 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

My daughter teaches elementary.

No.
Yes but that addresses only 60,000 foot view.
Yes. Irrelevant to standard curriculum tests and daily work.

Maybe high school is different.

Minimizing what teachers do is beneath you.

I’m not minimizing. I’m trying to provide a context for what the job is between two groups of people who don’t really understand each other. 
like I said- I respect teaching. I could have done almost anything in the world when I decided to teach- I chose that for a reason because I think it’s an awesome thing a person can do with their life, to give back to another person and another generation- and I think most people who teach get into it, at least in part, for that reason. 
but oh my freaking goodness, the pity party bullshit martyr complex so prevalent in the break rooms across America is absurd and beneath the dignity of any group of people that call themselves professionals. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Bevo 13527]

1 hour ago, Trey3216 said:

You forgot the part that you are essentially babysitting 20-25 kids, 80% of whom have parents that don’t do shit for them in the home as far as learning/interacting, especially at the elementary level.  

I need a babysitter. It would definitely help when the wife isn't in the mood. And to keep on subject, I could call her an a nanny, au pair, teacher, whatever she wants. Pay is commensurate with experience and a willingness to learn.

[Pam Cummings 9581]

Professionals get a fair wage tho

 

Like why the fuck would a HS football coach make more than any teacher, ever. Makes literally no sense.

[gmr548 16512]

So, did you not receive 1.5 hours every day without students where you could grade and lesson plan (and eat?) or were just ignoring that?  
That’s not nothing. 
did you not have a curriculum director?  Because almost all districts have that now. 
did you not have standardized tests?  Because again, both districts I was in had those. 
They told us what material to teach, when to teach it, and wrote the examinations for us. Literally all we had to do was the how on teaching and they had all sorts of samples and stuff like that. 
saying that 45 hours is a minimum and doesn’t count all that other stuff is really misleading. 

I had a planning period. It wasn't 90 minutes but I didn't dispute that in general.

Saying 45 hours a week is a bare minimum isn't misleading at all when you're contractually obligated to be present at the workplace for that amount of time. That's pretty straightforward. You can use that built in time as a break if you want but then you end up planning or grading or whatever outside of work to make it up, it all ends up the same.

I didn't make any assertion beyond that and we're already threadjacking so I'm not going to get into anything beyond the scope of what I said. I'm happy to have a broader discussion in a more appropriate thread.

[DDD Dad 14251]

I’m not minimizing. I’m trying to provide a context for what the job is between two groups of people who don’t really understand each other. 
like I said- I respect teaching. I could have done almost anything in the world when I decided to teach- I chose that for a reason because I think it’s an awesome thing a person can do with their life, to give back to another person and another generation- and I think most people who teach get into it, at least in part, for that reason. 
but oh my freaking goodness, the pity party bullshit martyr complex so prevalent in the break rooms across America is absurd and beneath the dignity of any group of people that call themselves professionals. 

Break rooms. That’s cute.

Kudos to you for giving back.

I agree that there are some lazy teachers who ride on the backs of dedicated professionals and are protected in their incompetence or mediocrity by the unions.

But to say that in general teachers are well paid is simply not accurate.

Agree to disagree. I will cease further drifting.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If we can get the right platform, we can make it work for a lot of kids.  Well, assuming the parents put the time in as well to make sure the kid is doing stuff - kids can't be on Zoom for 8 hours a day.  It's going to be hell on the special-needs kids, and the younger grades (particularly when it comes to socialization skills they are forming right now).

But damn are there a shitload of kids who don't have parents who can help (or parents who won't), or don't have easy access to technology and the internet.

My kids loved online learning because they weren't being held to a set pace, so they could speed through easy topics for them and spend more time on things they had trouble with.  They could use the class for Q&A help as needed - like my calculus lab class in college.  Overall they were less bored. Some days they had way too much work and some days they had none.  Just like before.  But in general there was less time wasted.

The social thing is really our only concern, but that's not all bad either.  My daughter is actually talking on the phone for hours now - just like a teenager when I was one.  But both kids have also found summer activities on their own that are pretty wholesome - my daughter is doing daily drawing and writing prompts with some internet group.  My son is learning guitar from a group of session players.  You worry a bit about the whole internet Chris Hansen thing, but otherwise they've done fine.

You are 100% right on the parent thing.  It's a problem.  Logic tells me there are a lot of working parents who can't help due to their jobs, and I don't know what to do there - it's a structural economic issue more than anything.  But those parents seem to get shouted out by these "fuck, now I have to raise these kids too?" parents when I read the stories. There's one of the parents in the WSJ article like that - just shocked that 2 of her 4 kids under 10 required constant supervision to stay on task.  She acts like she had no idea that a kid that age needs supervision "from 9 to 2" - 7 whole straight hours each day.  She planned to spend that whole time teaching her 4-year-old "letters and numbers."  That part of the article just reads as sympathetic to the idea that "I had 4 children, now you assholes expect me to also take care of those 4 children? I can't do that!"

[bschoolprof 6232]

3 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Professionals get a fair wage tho

 

Like why the fuck would a HS football coach make more than any teacher, ever. Makes literally no sense.

Why do college football coaches make more than business school professors?  So unfair!!! Do you understand how labor markets work?

Can we get this thread back on track with some panic porn twitter posts where we're all gonna die in 2 weeks or 2,000 weeks from glassy lungs?  

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

4 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Professionals get a fair wage tho

 

Like why the fuck would a HS football coach make more than any teacher, ever. Makes literally no sense.

Because he wins.  And that makes the school/district $$.  That's how the system is designed - everyone is on some type of commission.

[Pam Cummings 9581]

1 minute ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Because he wins.  And that makes the school/district $$.  That's how the system is designed - everyone is on some type of commission.

But they only "work" for half of the school year!

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

2 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Professionals get a fair wage tho

 

Like why the fuck would a HS football coach make more than any teacher, ever. Makes literally no sense.

Maybe because a high school coach is actually a teacher as well?  And impacts in a serious life way infinitely more kids than 95% of most teachers. 
The most important teaching position on any Texas campus is that of head football coach. You have a good one that gets after the kids, keeps them disciplined and supports the rest of the staff in their aims to educate kids and everything else falls into line. 
It’s a really important job and I say that as someone who has never had anything to do with coaching football and as someone who thinks that most football coaches are probably not completely fully evolved. 
But yeah, behind principal it’s the second most important job on a high school campus. And it’s damn sure a teaching job. 

[ChiTownDoc 21101]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Maybe because a high school coach is actually a teacher as well?  And impacts in a serious life way infinitely more kids than 95% of most teachers. 
The most important teaching position on any Texas campus is that of head football coach. You have a good one that gets after the kids, keeps them disciplined and supports the rest of the staff in their aims to educate kids and everything else falls into line. 
It’s a really important job and I say that as someone who has never had anything to do with coaching football and as someone who thinks that most football coaches are probably not completely fully evolved. 
But yeah, behind principal it’s the second most important job on a high school campus. And it’s damn sure a teaching job. 

This is all true and leaves out the fact that they bring in a lot more revenue if they’re good.  Pretty easy to justify paying them more.  

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This is all true and leaves out the fact that they bring in a lot more revenue if they’re good.  Pretty easy to justify paying them more.  

This is also true. And brings a sense of pride to a lot of places as well intangibly that also matters. 
I’m out on further conversation, not because I’m not interested but because this topic, while fascinating to me, isn’t probably germane (at least more than tangentially) to this thread topic. 
This probably belongs more on a topic of “how is the ‘Rona changing our daily lives and society.” That’s probably not what this thread is about. Apologies for participating in this derail. I will try to be better in the future. 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

12 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

But they only "work" for half of the school year!

Just a different measuring stick for success.  If you brought my firm enough business, you could work 5 minutes per year and we'd happily pay you.

[BradInATX 9208]

Teacher compensation talk not going away

[dcar00 14035]

30 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Maybe because a high school coach is actually a teacher as well?  And impacts in a serious life way infinitely more kids than 95% of most teachers. 
The most important teaching position on any Texas campus is that of head football coach. You have a good one that gets after the kids, keeps them disciplined and supports the rest of the staff in their aims to educate kids and everything else falls into line. 
It’s a really important job and I say that as someone who has never had anything to do with coaching football and as someone who thinks that most football coaches are probably not completely fully evolved. 
But yeah, behind principal it’s the second most important job on a high school campus. And it’s damn sure a teaching job. 

yes because the head football coach is usually the AD also.

[Hate 20103]

Jesus, can we all agree that if only all the schools were staffed with Wulaw’s we’d have the greatest educational system in the world??

Great, now let’s get back to how we are all going to die in two weeks. And fuck China.

[dcar00 14035]

Just now, Hate said:

Jesus, can we all agree that if only all the schools were staffed with Wulaw’s we’d have the greatest educational system in the world??

Great, now let’s get back to how we are all going to die in two weeks. And fuck China.

and BBQ v. Protests face off

[Fondren & Main 6670]

[NorthLoop 14092]

There's a separate thread for the whole covid/school discussion 

[Surly Bevo 24696]

 

[justhookit 4180]

48 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Why do college football coaches make more than business school professors?  So unfair!!! Do you understand how labor markets work?

Can we get this thread back on track with some panic porn twitter posts where we're all gonna die in 2 weeks or 2,000 weeks from glassy lungs?  

 

15 minutes ago, Hate said:

Jesus, can we all agree that if only all the schools were staffed with Wulaw’s we’d have the greatest educational system in the world??

Great, now let’s get back to how we are all going to die in two weeks. And fuck China.

 Sure thing. Hospitalizations in Nueces up 935% over the last 2 weeks. ICU up 577%. Deaths up 200%.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[B00M 6280]

The fuck is this? Did I open the AISD thread? 

[elguapo 4583]

8 minutes ago, justhookit said:

 

 Sure thing. Hospitalizations in Nueces up 935% over the last 2 weeks. ICU up 577%. Deaths up 200%.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

IS THAT BAD?

[Hate 20103]

 Sure thing. Hospitalizations in Nueces up 935% over the last 2 weeks. ICU up 577%. Deaths up 200%.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Thank you!! That is so much better!

[Wally Pryor 5244]

Adler and tribe having an emergency meeting on Thursday.  They're likely (likely? stupid me) to vote for a 35-day shutdown of the city starting next Tuesday.  And then Abbott enters the picture.  

Yay.   Such fun times. 

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/atx-council-to-discuss-plan-to-shutdown-city-to-lower-virus-level-reopen-schools  to then allow for the school year opening. 

[bschoolprof 6232]

17 minutes ago, justhookit said:

 

 Sure thing. Hospitalizations in Nueces up 935% over the last 2 weeks. ICU up 577%. Deaths up 200%.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

There we go - straight into the veins!

[Bevo 13527]

1 minute ago, Wally Pryor said:

Adler and tribe having an emergency meeting on Thursday.  They're likely (likely? stupid me) to vote for a 35-day shutdown of the city starting next Tuesday.  And then Abbott enters the picture.  

Yay.   Such fun times. 

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/atx-council-to-discuss-plan-to-shutdown-city-to-lower-virus-level-reopen-schools  to then allow for the school year opening. 

So if the city says we need to shutdown, do we need to shutdown or do we wait for the state to chime in?

 

Is it legal for the state workers in Austin to go to work? Maybe they are in an autonomous zone. jk

[Texas Jeff 1932]

Trying to get back on topic, what is the Surly consensus on Texans' behavior during the July 4th holiday?  YOLO or be careful out there?  What did you see and how did it compare to Memorial Day?

I only went to grocery stores, it was a pretty lame holiday weekend.  But I saw 100% masks when there and employees manning the door to check for masks.

[gmr548 16512]

Trying to get back on topic, what is the Surly consensus on Texans' behavior during the July 4th holiday?  YOLO or be careful out there?  What did you see and how did it compare to Memorial Day?
I only went to grocery stores, it was a pretty lame holiday weekend.  But I saw 100% masks when there and employees manning the door to check for masks.

I went golfing on the 4th. Houses surrounding the course. Lots of small gatherings by the pool and such - I assume many within the household but no way of telling obviously. A couple large house parties. Unfortunately we're at the point where the minority in the large house party group can really fuck shit up for everyone.

[justhookit 4180]

Port A was much better behaved. Much smaller crowd, mask usage way way up. I have no idea what it was like in Corpus. With the bars closed it did lead to more house parties but at least here those were mostly outdoors.

[VolenteHawk 495]

13 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Adler and tribe having an emergency meeting on Thursday.  They're likely (likely? stupid me) to vote for a 35-day shutdown of the city starting next Tuesday.  And then Abbott enters the picture.  

Yay.   Such fun times. 

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/atx-council-to-discuss-plan-to-shutdown-city-to-lower-virus-level-reopen-schools  to then allow for the school year opening. 

We did that for longer when there were fewer infections, and it didn’t do much other than delay our first wave. They’re gonna need the essential business list to be far shorter, which I don’t think anyone will have the stomach to do.

Edited July 7, 2020 by VolenteHawk

[Hate 20103]

I went golfing on the 4th. Houses surrounding the course. Lots of small gatherings by the pool and such - I assume many within the household but no way of telling obviously. A couple large house parties. Unfortunately we're at the point where the minority in the large house party group can really fuck shit up for everyone.

[Texas Jeff 1932]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Unfortunately we're at the point where the minority in the large house party group can really fuck shit up for everyone.

I think you're dead on with the house parties.  I now know folks that have COVID and the story is often that they went to some social gathering and one person had COVID, now half or most of the people that went to the party have it.

I haven't heard any stories, from people I know, that they randomly got it from an unknown source.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Texas Jeff

[DDD Dad 14251]

11 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

I think you're dead on with the house parties.  I now know folks that have COVID and the story is often that they went to some social gathering and one person had COVID, now half or most of the people that went to the party have it.

I haven't heard any stories, from people I know, that they randomly got it from an unknown source.

 

[Texas Jeff 1932]

26 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Adler and tribe having an emergency meeting on Thursday.  They're likely (likely? stupid me) to vote for a 35-day shutdown of the city starting next Tuesday.  And then Abbott enters the picture.  

If they do that, it would be a lot cooler if it was a statewide effort.  Or just the major metros doing it in sync.  I would like to see the science behind a 35 day shutdown rather than 14 day or 21 day or other intervals.  For example, what do they expect to happen and can we measure against that to see what does happen, to inform future shutdown decisions.  A planned shutdown of a fixed duration seems less disruptive than the reactionary closings and the date-driven reopening we tried before.

I give the city council a lot of grief for decisions I don't like, but at least they are trying to turn the dials they have.

[Newdoc 3433]

21 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

A couple large house parties.

This is where I see a lot of spread. House party - several infected - go back home and infect your whole damn house where everyone else was behaving including your 72 year old grandpa with diabetes and heart disease. Good job, hope the party was worth it.  Every damn day in our Covid clinic.

[HoffaJimmy 316]

19 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

I think you're dead on with the house parties.  I now know folks that have COVID and the story is often that they went to some social gathering and one person had COVID, now half or most of the people that went to the party have it.

I haven't heard any stories, from people I know, that they randomly got it from an unknown source.

 

The young irresponsible asymptomatic people are the real issue. I have heard of several cases (one confirmed) of people that know they have it seeing nothing wrong with going out in public, to a party, hanging out with a small group of friends, etc. 

No asshole you quarantine for 2 weeks. 

[mdmost 42865]

Kind of a big deal here in Dallas. No State Fair this year.

 

[Bevo 13527]

12 minutes ago, HoffaJimmy said:

 

The young irresponsible asymptomatic people are the real issue. I have heard of several cases (one confirmed) of people that know they have it seeing nothing wrong with going out in public, to a party, hanging out with a small group of friends, etc. 

No asshole you quarantine for 2 weeks. 

Well, the good news is that after this outbreak most of the assholes will have already had the disease. So if we get back to manageable levels, the assholes probably won't be able to spread it again.

[Longhornlax 58]

What does that mean for Texas OU I wonder?

[DDD Dad 14251]

6 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Kind of a big deal here in Dallas. No State Fair this year.

 

Virtual neg.

[mdmost 42865]

2 minutes ago, Longhornlax said:

What does that mean for Texas OU I wonder?

It would be no different than when Fair Park holds an event at the Cotton Bowl like the old Cotton Bowl bowl game. There just wouldn't be anything else around the stadium except for maybe a few vendors. But don't hold your breath on live football with fans this year anyway. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by mdmost