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I'm sure this won't be a partisan issue across the US as everyone will learn Constitutional law via Facebook posts.

Personally I think DC should be shrunk to mainly cover the main federal govt buildings and then allow Maryland to annex the residential areas of DC. I'm sure this creates issues but they can be overcome. However since I don't think this is a likely path, I'm for statehood. 

Yes DC statehood will add to to the inequity of small states having too much power in the Senate but currently the GOP has a stranglehold on that inequity. This balances that problem a bit.

And on the population discussion, DC is larger than WY and VT and looks to surpass AK in the next decade. 

My guess is that a Dem controlled Exec and Legis branch will make DC a state next year. (Note: the new state won't be called DC.) Then Roberts casts the deciding vote on statehood sometime in 2022 as it ends up in the Supreme Court.

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I don't really care one way or the other, but I do believe they should have full representation in Congress, and other equalities that states have. If statehood is the only way to do that, then fine. If it can be done without statehood, I would lean toward the idea of keeping D.C. it's own entity. 

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I thought the whole idea of the District of Columbia was so that no one state could claim to be the nation's capitol and use that influence. Otherwise, you might as well let Virginia and Maryland annex the land and make Omaha the nation's capitol. 

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Puerto Rico needs it first. There are reasons DC isn't a state, but there's no reason Puerto Rico isn't a state in 2020 if the people of Puerto Rico want to be a state now.

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  On 6/26/2020 at 1:10 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:
I'm sure this won't be a partisan issue across the US as everyone will learn Constitutional law via Facebook posts.
Personally I think DC should be shrunk to mainly cover the main federal govt buildings and then allow Maryland to annex the residential areas of DC. I'm sure this creates issues but they can be overcome. However since I don't think this is a likely path, I'm for statehood. 
Yes DC statehood will add to to the inequity of small states having too much power in the Senate but currently the GOP has a stranglehold on that inequity. This balances that problem a bit.
And on the population discussion, DC is larger than WY and VT and looks to surpass AK in the next decade. 
My guess is that a Dem controlled Exec and Legis branch will make DC a state next year. (Note: the new state won't be called DC.) Then Roberts casts the deciding vote on statehood sometime in 2022 as it ends up in the Supreme Court.
Should have just titled this "I watched John Oliver last week"

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  On 6/26/2020 at 1:32 PM, RPM said:

I thought the whole idea of the District of Columbia was so that no one state could claim to be the nation's capitol and use that influence. Otherwise, you might as well let Virginia and Maryland annex the land and make Omaha the nation's capitol. 

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And we have ourselves a winner folks.....

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Puerto Rico has turned down every opportunity to become a state. There are certainly a lot of people there who want statehood, but the majority do not. 

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  On 6/26/2020 at 1:43 PM, RPM said:

Just because my HS class had 23 people doesn't mean I didn't pay attention.

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Funny, my Dad was "Valedictorian" of his senior class of 13 kids.  Three of which all set off from the ass-of-nowhere-W.Texas to the "big city" of Austin many fateful years ago.  Grew hair down past his shoulders, met a hippie chick, popped out a bad-ass who terrorized the Co-Op they lived in, for which was also utterly embarrassed as a child because his hippie ass mom never wore a bra in any pics up until her 30's....sigh......

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  On 6/26/2020 at 1:46 PM, The Dog said:

Puerto Rico has turned down every opportunity to become a state. There are certainly a lot of people there who want statehood, but the majority do not. 

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Well except for that 97% vote for statehood a few years ago.

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  On 6/26/2020 at 2:42 PM, The Dog said:

It was boycotted by opponents of statehood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum

By the way, it does appear statehood in PR has more support now than in the past, but it's a very narrow majority. 

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Yeah I wouldn't use the 2017 referendum. I'd like to see what the numbers are after Maria and the general political landscape of today. 

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  On 6/26/2020 at 2:42 PM, The Dog said:

It was boycotted by opponents of statehood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum

By the way, it does appear statehood in PR has more support now than in the past, but it's a very narrow majority. 

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I know it was boycotted. Who cares? It was an election where 97% said yes. The losers of that election can say whatever they want. 

We don't only count elections if they have 50% turnout. 

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North Dakota would oppose folding in with South Dakota because they wouldn't want to share their oil revenues.  Otherwise, South Dakota would be fine with it.  

Nobody was supposed to live in D.C.  It was just supposed to be federal buildings.  There are huge chunks of D.C. that serve no function to the government.  It's just apartments and stores, give it back to Maryland.  Maryland's borders are already goofy as shit, what's a few more slices.  You can carve out 70-80% of the D.C. residents easily and make part of Maryland proper again.  Start with that whole area East of 295, apportion in that park with Frederick Douglas site and that Navy-Coast Guard corridor of facilities down on the water.  Otherwise, nothing over there serves any government function or purpose.  On the other side most of the neighborhoods between Rock Creek Park and the border are also just residential.  Probably an immediate lower cost of living without the local D.C. taxes and utility costs.  This is infinitely less complicated than restructuring an entire branch of our government.  

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  On 6/26/2020 at 7:52 PM, henrygandorf said:

wasn't last week about covid in jails?

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yup.  and the week before was about facial recognition software.  week before that was police brutality.  week before that was mail in voting.

DCA obviously tried to make a funny and used a tv host that usually (haven't seen every show of his) hits topics that are controversial and tries to bring about the discussion with facts but mostly appeals to the liberal populace.  That and he shits on Trump.  Also a big fan of his trolling of tucker carlson constantly.

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Need to think up some initiation/hazing ideas for any bastard joining the big fun fraternity of US states. 
 

 

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Haven’t looked into DC too much, but Puerto Rico shouldn’t be a territory if it’s already bigger than 21 other states.

I feel like boycotting a vote against statehood tells the world you already knew you were going to lose the vote. Never been to Puerto Rico though. I should change that.

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What are we going to call it since we cant use Columbia...

Grifterland?

Fleeceton?

Careerpolitician?

Septugenarian?

New Lobbyistland?

 

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Sen. Tom Cotton argued on Thursday that Wyoming, which he called a "well-rounded working-class state," is more deserving of statehood than the District of Columbia, even though the nation's capital has more citizens.

"Wyoming is smaller than Washington by population, but it has three times as many workers in mining, logging and construction, and 10 times as many workers in manufacturing. In other words, Wyoming is a well-rounded working-class state. A new state of Washington would not be," the Arkansas Republican said on the Senate floor.

Advocates of DC statehood point to the fact that residents pay taxes to the federal government but don't have representation in the US Senate and only have one non-voting delegate representing them in the US House. But Cotton argued that Democrats are only pushing for DC statehood so they can "have two new Democratic senators in perpetuity" and to "rig the rule of our democracy."

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/tom-cotton-wyoming-dc-statehood/index.html

Well-rounded in job diversity perhaps, Tom. Now lets compare racial demographics. 

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  On 6/26/2020 at 8:51 PM, StassneyHorn said:

Never been to Puerto Rico though. I should change that.

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Same here. I think it has potential to be a Caribbean paradise except for the ridiculously corrupt government. That and hurricanes.

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My biggest question is how to put 51 or 52 white stars on the flag.  I've always thought it pretty clever how the 50 were laid out, but for the life of me I don't see how you get 51 or 52 in a nice uniform pattern.

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  On 6/26/2020 at 9:51 PM, shakahorn said:

My biggest question is how to put 51 or 52 white stars on the flag.  I've always thought it pretty clever how the 50 were laid out, but for the life of me I don't see how you get 51 or 52 in a nice uniform pattern.

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  On 6/26/2020 at 9:41 PM, RPM said:

Same here. I think it has potential to be a Caribbean paradise except for the ridiculously corrupt government. That and hurricanes.

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If Florida beaches can look that good why can’t PR beaches?

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Brian Unger has already explained DC, South Vs North Dakota, West Virginia vs Virginia, and North vs South Carolina. Let’s get a Puerto Rico one to bring em back 

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  On 6/26/2020 at 9:14 PM, Macanudo said:

What are we going to call it since we cant use Columbia...

Grifterland?

Fleeceton?

Careerpolitician?

Septugenarian?

New Lobbyistland?

 

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Since they'd nixed the idea of New Columbia; The State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth was the latest proposal I had seen.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-major-gop-nightmare-moves-a-step-closer-to-reality?ref=home

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Legislation to make the District of Columbia a state is poised to pass the House on Friday, a major advance from the last time the measure came before Congress 27 years ago and 40 percent of Democrats joined with all but one Republican to defeat D.C. statehood. 

After decades of benign neglect, the movement to make D.C. the 51st state has gained new life with Black Lives Matter and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser’s heightened profile. President Trump’s efforts to use federal force to dominate streets around the White House exposed the subservient status of a city that must answer to Congress for how it spends money while its 706,000 residents are without full voting representation in the House or Senate. 

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Republicans appear unmoved by pleas for equality. Republican Sen. Tom Cotton took to the Senate floor to denounce the Democrats’ move in a racially tinged speech depicting D.C. as an elitist conclave of the “deep state” and Mayor Bowser as someone who could not be trusted to keep the city and its statues safe. “Yes, Wyoming is smaller than Washington by population,” he tweeted, “but it has three times as many workers in mining, logging, and construction, and 10 times as many workers in manufacturing. In other words, Wyoming is a well-rounded working-class state."

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The bill to rename D.C. “Washington, Douglass Commonwealth” is going nowhere in Mitch McConnell’s Senate. But if the Democrats win the White House and flip the Senate, statehood becomes imaginable, since statehood requires only a vote of Congress. “Trump says Republicans would have to be stupid to support D.C. statehood and that’s what the battle is about these days, maybe that’s what it’s always been about,” says Michael Brown, D.C.’s non-voting “shadow senator.” 

Actually, Trump said Republicans would have to be “very, very stupid” to support statehood for D.C. because it would add two Democratic senators, which McConnell would never let happen. “But it’s about more than McConnell,” Brown told the Daily Beast. “We can’t get one Republican (in the Senate), and there are still six (Senate) Democrats who are not on the bill.” 

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  On 6/26/2020 at 7:42 PM, conVINCEd said:

Ok.  So you combine the Dakotas and turn Wyoming and Montana into Wyntana.  

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The Great State of Wynona would also be an acceptable answer for such a big politically red expanse.

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