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I’ve been following it for the last month (months?) depressing story. 
 

i do not trust the military at all. Especially since while looking for her they found a body of a second soldier they had listed as AWOL even though his mother had been begging them for info. 
 

Everyone in the command staff needs to be looked into. 

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1 hour ago, Casual Encounter said:

Like clockwork, the next day she calls regretful and apologetic for her behavior, thanking me for not “taking advantage of her.” I tell her she needs to be more careful and the conversation ends. Months later she contacts me to let me know one of her instructors was at the bar, saw her drinking, (which she wasn’t supposed to be doing) she had been busted down a paygrade, and confined to base for a couple months as a result.

 

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1 hour ago, mchookem said:

this is disturbing.

especially the bolded part...umm, what? 😳 they were searching for one body and found a second one??

There were two missing soldiers from Ft Hood. Apparently, a "tip" led authorities to the male soldier's body a week or so ago and presumably to this one as well. I think the male had been missing for at least a year longer than Guillen.

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4 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Ya know, if it had been a guy that died, I don't think we would see a statement that "a handsome young soldier is not with us today" or any other descriptor focused on the quality of his looks. 

You've never heard of anybody in the chain-of-command referring to a soldier as "good looking" and "right out of central casting" ????

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1 hour ago, Xian said:

Everyone in the command staff needs to be looked into. 

The Fort Bragg garrison commander was fired because base housing had mold or wasn't being fixed properly or something.  Actually, I'm wondering if there were kickbacks, but anyways, yeah, it's weird that shit is not rolling downhill right now.

This bugs the shit out of me:

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The remains were found a few feet from a pile of a burn mound that was searched June 20, Miller told The Washington Post on Wednesday.

Texas Rangers, detectives and cadaver dogs had not discovered the body until a return to the scene, he said.

“We were standing on top of her little body,” Miller said. Concrete had been poured over the remains, and subsequent rainstorms allowed the grave to settle into natural-looking terrain. Miller’s organization has recovered nearly 240 sets of human remains in two decades, he said, but the level of sophistication at the site was unprecedented.

 

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“I never have seen anything like it,” he said.

Witness accounts helped lead to a breakthrough, he said. A man was seen struggling with a heavy-duty Pelican transport case in a car some time after Guillén’s disappearance, Miller said. A lid of a similar case was scorched but recovered at the burn site, he said.

On Tuesday, men building a fence near the site noticed a foul smell and walked over to investigate. They saw hair protruding from the ground, Miller said. He speculated some partial remains may have been dug up by animals.

That person knew what they were doing.

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11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The Fort Bragg garrison commander was fired because base housing had mold or wasn't being fixed properly or something.  Actually, I'm wondering if there were kickbacks, but anyways, yeah, it's weird that shit is not rolling downhill right now.

This bugs the shit out of me:

 

That person knew what they were doing.

 

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3 hours ago, Fuck Tim Beck said:

This is just an awful story. I work in Killeen so have been following it. And as it turns out I live less than 2 miles from where the body was found. 

Saw all the searchers and LE and dogs and stuff on June 22. Figured that was who they were looking for. It's astounding they missed the site 

the first time. So close to the highway. Just awful. The landowner just within the last 3 weeks had a fence put up. I suspect he or a worker were out checking on

it or finishing up and came across it. 

Can't imagine what that family is going through. And I read earlier that the Army didn't even call the family

yesterday when remains were found. The head of Equasearch (sp) called them. 

So of course no you can't trust the Army. 

Google map to the area where they found her??

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10 minutes ago, Fuck Tim Beck said:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//30.9939533,-97.3940421/@30.9941641,-97.3958434,774m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

 

Hopefully I did this right. 

When you go to streetview there, you can see because of the sign and tire tracks it most be a popular dumping spot:

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4 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

When you go to streetview there, you can see because of the sign and tire tracks it most be a popular dumping spot:

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yeah that has always been a popular place for locals to get to the river to fish.  And also why a vehicle down there wouldn't even be noticed. 

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21 hours ago, Casual Encounter said:

I visited a bar in Newport News about 10 years ago with several friends. Girl walks in with three young dudes, obviously military. She’s hot, like immediately turned every head in the room, hot. She proceeds to sit down directly across from me at the bar height table which extends the length of the room. Keep in mind, it’s Saturday, in the fall, and the Longhorns are playing. I’m there to watch the game and now I have this huge distraction sitting between me and the TVs. Actually, I think it was the Texas/OU game, making it even worse.

She immediately starts chatting with me and the guys with her, realizing they’re deep in the friend zone, eventually make their way to the pool tables. Come to find out, she’s on her first liberty pass since reporting to boot camp. She’s ranting about the sexual assault prevention training she’s been inundated with, basically mocking everyone of her instructors for teaching that, “every male in the Army would want to rape her.”

A few beers in, she’s noticeably getting hammered. At some point during the conversation she swipes my phone and texts herself without me realizing it. I’m struggling to stay focused on the game with her tits resting on the table, realizing I’m missing some key plays. All of a sudden she says, “You have no idea I’ve been hitting on you for the past hour, do you?”

I try dodging the conversation but she keeps pushing, eventually telling her friends to leave her there because I’m taking her back to her hotel room. They’re hesitant for obvious reasons, one being me telling them I’m not taking her anywhere. My friends are trying to leave me, thinking I’m going to go for it. I’m begging them to stay because I need all the support I can get not to haul this drunk girl back to her room and give her what she’s begging for. I depart, telling her that if she sobers up and still wants to hang out the following day, give me a call. It’s at this point I realize she already has my number. She calls me later that night, still wanting me to come over, and again I decline.

Like clockwork, the next day she calls regretful and apologetic for her behavior, thanking me for not “taking advantage of her.” I tell her she needs to be more careful and the conversation ends. Months later she contacts me to let me know one of her instructors was at the bar, saw her drinking, (which she wasn’t supposed to be doing) she had been busted down a paygrade, and confined to base for a couple months as a result.

There are some horrible stories out there about the military’s treatment of women.

TLDR; There are also some women out there who put themselves in terrible situations.

you sound gay.

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23 hours ago, crash_davis said:

I don't know jack shit about the military. Not sure how much of this thread is true but lulz if it is. Ft Hood sounds like a wonderful place to be. Aren't most cops now former military? I'm beginning to see the problem.

 

This is my neck of the woods and I can tell you that this is absolutely nothing for Ft. hood.

It is- without hyperbole- one of the worst places to live on Earth. 

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/vanessa-guillen-fort-hood-disappearance/index.html

A suspect in the disappearance of Fort Hood Pfc. Vanessa Guillen was identified on Thursday as Spc. Aaron David Robinson, according to an Army investigator.

Robinson killed himself on Wednesday after police confronted him in Killeen, Texas, according to US Army Criminal Investigation Command, which calls itself CID. He fled Fort Hood late on Tuesday.
"While law enforcement agencies attempted to make contact with the suspect in Killeen, Texas, Specialist Robinson displayed a weapon and took his own life," CID Senior Special Agent Damon Phelps said at a news conference on Thursday.
Robinson and Guillen, though co-workers, were located in different buildings; he was not in her line of command, Phelps said.
Robinson "was not in CID custody" at the time he fled the installation.
Phelps said investigators were looking into Robinson's interactions with Guillen. He said there was "no credible information" Guillen had been sexually harassed or assaulted. He said investigators had interviewed more than 300 people in the case.
 
Texas Rangers also arrested a civilian suspect in connection with Guillen's disappearance, according to CID.
The suspect, who has not been identified, is the estranged wife of a former soldier from Fort Hood. She is in Bell County Jail awaiting civilian authorities to press charges, CID said.
"We have made significant progress in this tragic situation and are doing everything possible to get to the truth and bring answers to the family of Pfc. Vanessa Guillen," CID spokesman Chris Grey said.
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37 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Texas Rangers also arrested a civilian suspect in connection with Guillen's disappearance, according to CID.

The suspect, who has not been identified, is the estranged wife of a former soldier from Fort Hood. She is in Bell County Jail awaiting civilian authorities to press charges, CID said.
"We have made significant progress in this tragic situation and are doing everything possible to get to the truth and bring answers to the family of Pfc. Vanessa Guillen," CID spokesman Chris Grey said.

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https://www.kwtx.com/2020/07/01/killeen-police-investigating-shooting-suspect-dies/

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Most of this is from the Guillen family lawyer. 

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In an interview with ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,’ the Guillen family attorney, Natalie Kwaham, provided disturbing details regarding the death of Fort Hood soldier, Vanessa Guillen, whose remains were found earlier this week in a shallow grave.

The U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Unit met with Kwaham on Wednesday, after humans remains were found in a shallow grave close to the Leon River in Texas. The meeting with officials came months after 20-year-old Guillen disappeared from Fort Hood.

Officials told Kwaham that the evidence they had against junior soldier, Aaron Robinson, dated back to the day when Guillen disappeared, after a witness spotted him in an armory parking lot. Robinson’s girlfriend, Cecily Aguilar, the estranged wife of a Fort Hood soldier, was also involved, officials told Kwaham.

Robinson was not the person who called Guillen into work on her day off on April 22, the last day she was seen alive, but he’s the one responsible for killing her, Kwaham said.

When Guillen arrived at work, Robinson was already inside the armory room working. Guillen reportedly spotted photos of Aguilar on his phone and confronted him about having an affair with someone married to a former soldier.

At that point, an argument ensued, and Robinson allegedly told Guillen that he wouldn’t let her ruin his military career. He then grabbed a hammer and bludgeoned her to death, Kwaham said, leaving blood all over the armory room.

Robinson then hid Guillen’s body in a Pelican case, stored it to the side of the armory room, then left the base to buy supplies. He returned that evening and took the case to the Leon River area.

Kwaham said Robinson determined that he couldn’t dispose of Guillen himself and in turn, contacted Aguilar and asked her to help. Both Robinson and Aguilar then used a machete to hack Guillen’s body apart. They used cement to encase her body parts and get rid of evidence.

“Vanessa’s sister Mayra was arriving at the base; while was looking for her sister, they were dismembering her body,” Kwaham said.

After leaving the scene, the suspects threw the machete, hammer, and Guillen’s cellphone from a car window.

Although a witness saw Robinson leaving the base on April 22 with a Pelican case, no warrants were taken out until after investigators found the remains.

Officials told Kwaham that Guillen’s face had been bludgeoned so badly that officials could barely use dental records since her teeth were smashed in during the gruesome attack. She was identified through strands of hair, Kwaham said.

So far, Guillen’s mother has not been told the details regarding the brutal attack, or that the remains have been found. In a press conference Wednesday, Guillen’s sister indicated that their mother was in bed, taking medication and is not tuning in to media.

Robinson, according to family members, is the same person accused of sexually harassing Guillen.

“I think Aaron Robinson was a bad actor for a long, long time,” Dr. Bethany Marshall, a Beverly Hills-based psychoanalyst told Nancy Grace. “I think the military knew that he was sexually harassing women. I do not think Vanessa was the only victim.”

“In them [Army officials] telling the family and being transparent, they have to acknowledge they are complicit in Vanessa’s death. They looked the other way.”

The question still remains: How did the suspect manage to cover up an armory room full of blood?

“The whole place was filled with blood,” Kwaham said. “He was there between 10:30 and 11:13 in the room, which makes no sense. He kills and cleans up the whole crime scene in 43 minutes?”

https://www.crimeonline.com/2020/07/02/breaking-fort-hood-soldier-vanessa-guillen-bludgeoned-dead-with-hammer-in-armory-room-family-lawyer-says-exclusive/

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On 7/1/2020 at 2:22 PM, Casual Encounter said:

Did you ignore my edit? I anticipated this backlash.

Seriously, I won’t hook up with someone who’s drunk, not my thing for many reasons. When I was young, it was a green light. Then it changed from yellow to red. I have better methods of loosening them up now.
 

 

Didn’t have liberty passes when I was at bootcamp. Which branch of the military was she in?

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13 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Didn’t have liberty passes when I was at bootcamp. Which branch of the military was she in?

“she’s on her first liberty pass since reporting to boot camp“

Bootcamp was complete. She was in AIT.

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I think that’s what it was called. Not educated on Army lingo.
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So Robinson was banging the orange M&M. Guillen called him out on it. He kilt Guillen with a hammer in the armory, threw her body in a box, drove to site,  and dumped her body. Then a couple of days later, he and the orange M&M go hatchet up the corpse so they can better dispose of the body?

That's a lot of work and Dahmerness for pussy that you can easily pick up at Walmart by just holding up a welfare card and some meth. 

If Robinson's intelligence and standards are indicative of other soldiers in the US Army, then I'm worried about the next war we enter into.

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10 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

So Robinson was banging the orange M&M. Guillen called him out on it. He kilt Guillen with a hammer in the armory, threw her body in a box, drove to site,  and dumped her body. Then a couple of days later, he and the orange M&M go hatchet up the corpse so they can better dispose of the body?

That's a lot of work and Dahmerness for pussy that you can easily pick up at Walmart by just holding up a welfare card and some meth. 

If Robinson's intelligence and standards are indicative of other soldiers in the US Army, then I'm worried about the next war we enter into.

Orange M&M is still married to a different soldier, which would make what he did Adultery. Adultery is illegal in the military, it's against the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and can carry a max penalty of up to 1 year in the brig, forfeiture of pay and dishonorable discharge if proven. That said, it's rampant in the military and not easy to prove, but when it is, it's taken seriously (which is why the Gen. Petraeus affair was such a big deal). Rumor is she reported that same guy for sexual harassment in the past, so if that's true, in his mind his motive could've been that he viewed her as out to ruin him and his career. 

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18 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Orange M&M is still married to a different soldier, which would make what he did Adultery. Adultery is illegal in the military, it's against the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and can carry a max penalty of up to 1 year in the brig, forfeiture of pay and dishonorable discharge if proven. That said, it's rampant in the military and not easy to prove, but when it is, it's taken seriously (which is why the Gen. Petraeus affair was such a big deal). Rumor is she reported that same guy for sexual harassment in the past, so if that's true, in his mind his motive could've been that he viewed her as out to ruin him and his career. 

Honestly with all the stories of soldiers and wives banging everything in sight, I never knew about adultery being such a no no in the Army. Hmm, the more you know. 

Still amazed that someone would go through all that drama and kill himself for that piece of ass. Damn if a person is going to do something stupid and wreck his life, make sure the deed is worth it. Orange M&M so far from the definition of worth it...

 

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18 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Honestly with all the stories of soldiers and wives banging everything in sight, I never knew about adultery being such a no no in the Army. Hmm, the more you know. 

Still amazed that someone would go through all that drama and kill himself for that piece of ass. Damn if a person is going to do something stupid and wreck his life, make sure the deed is worth it. Orange M&M so far from the definition of worth it...

 

The Army gets amazingly involved in the personal lives of enlisted personnel.  I had a relative who enlisted, married real quick as is sort of typical for 18 year old enlisted, then separated.  She was Army also, but got out.  She could get in the ear of his CO about support issues and other nonsense and make life difficult for him.  The general advice to him was "get divorced, do whatever the court says" and we will leave you alone.  I suppose it isn't surprising that failing to pay court ordered child support or spousal support can become a disciplinary issue, but it was surprising that the chain of command could get involved in "pre-divorce" matters.  It does implicate the duty of a soldier, apparently, to support a spouse, which can become an issue if still married.

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this may surprise some of you folks... but there are levels of secrets in the military.     Military likes to keep those secrects if possible.  One huge way a soldier/sailor/airman could be compromised and blackmailed would be if someone nefarious found out the person was sleeping around and blackmailed them.    

Tell you what, elisted M1A1 tank mechanic,  tell us the top speed of the Abrams on flat ground or we turn in the blackmail information to your CO, which means you lose money, rank, and (very likely) your job.  is just one example where a young enlisted mechanic could know classified info ( but not hyper top secret), and have to divulge it.

plus the fact that the blackmail could be used against the soldier for literally decades if they stay in the army and keep getting promoted and maybe get into the real secrets.

military knows this, and thats why adultery has been a huge issue as a potential long term loss of military secrets. 

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I have better methods of loosening them up now.
 
 
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somebody cheated on somebody and somebody wanted somebody dead to prove somebody's love for somebody?

Had it been a bunch of Latina women, I wouldn’t have overly surprised because everyone claims that they are crazy. I am disappoint. Holy shit the orange M&m is skurry.
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The main reason why adultery is against the law is it's one of the biggest things that erodes trust in a command. It falls under Article 134, which is against anything that is prejudicial to good order and discipline or brings discredit upon the armed forces. If troops are sleeping around with each others women, then they're less likely to have your back (or worse be the one to shoot you) or work together when needed. 

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