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Trump’s Gestapo in Portland


Hugo Stiglitz

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  On 7/22/2020 at 11:45 PM, SydneyCarton said:

If that’s your concern and you don’t think they can/are documenting and tracking your “anonymous” online history on this board and a there else I’ve got a bridge Is like to sell you. 

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I am aware of that. This is about standing in front of someone/ groups of someones with weapons who have apparently had little training,  isn't sure what constitutes a legal arrest, and will remove you because you're standing next to someone who looks like they might be thinking of doing something suspicious. It was a priority kind of thing.

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Are we going to get a new thread for every city where he tries out this Trump Gestapo?

@Bill Brasky nobody that I know that's attended a protest against police brutality wants to kill anyone. That's kinda the point. However, it would be really fucking cool if the police stopped killing people for no good reason.

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Just talked to my sister who writes the indictments. 50 so far, and the offenders are mainly from out of state. Zero charges for property damage, all are for assault, aiming lasers at planes, trying to blind people, shooting Roman candles at feds, etc.

The protests are now just a tourist destination.

Also, Beaumont, TX (population 118K) has 10,000 more black residents than Portland.

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If history holds true, there will be a response to the Marxist/communist violence. And it will likely be groups of far, far right people that start rounding up agitators, and taking things into their own hands. If the Marxists can't self police, and the local governments don't keep them in check, then it falls to the feds to intervene. If that is rejected, history shows us the ensuing response will not be favorable to the Marxists. Examples abound in Central America and Eastern Europe post WWII.

Pick your poison. Be careful what you wish for.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 AM, ousuxndallas said:

If history holds true, there will be a response to the Marxist/communist violence. And it will likely be groups of far, far right people that start rounding up agitators, and taking things into their own hands. If the Marxists can't self police, and the local governments don't keep them in check, then it falls to the feds to intervene. If that is rejected, history shows us the ensuing response will not be favorable to the Marxists. Examples abound in Central America and Eastern Europe post WWII.

Pick your poison. Be careful what you wish for.

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Is it difficult to write fan fiction like that with your finger up your own ass? 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 AM, ousuxndallas said:

If history holds true, there will be a response to the Marxist/communist violence. And it will likely be groups of far, far right people that start rounding up agitators, and taking things into their own hands. If the Marxists can't self police, and the local governments don't keep them in check, then it falls to the feds to intervene. If that is rejected, history shows us the ensuing response will not be favorable to the Marxists. Examples abound in Central America and Eastern Europe post WWII.

Pick your poison. Be careful what you wish for.

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And in a functional state those far right terrorists would be rounded up and charged with all sorts of crimes that would ensure they never step outside a Federal prison again.

Do you think this administration would charge those people?

 

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  On 7/22/2020 at 9:38 PM, F250 said:
Trump the domestic terrorist is trying to turn American cities into Belfast during the Troubles. Soon people will be banging metal garbage can lids on pavement to signal approaching occupying British troops, I mean federal law enforcement.
Shit, the Proud Boy marches are similar to the Orangemen marching through Catholic neighborhoods in order to antagonize the political minorities. Trumpism is sectarian and we are intentionally being moved towards violence.
 


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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 AM, ousuxndallas said:

If history holds true, there will be a response to the Marxist/communist violence. And it will likely be groups of far, far right people that start rounding up agitators, and taking things into their own hands. If the Marxists can't self police, and the local governments don't keep them in check, then it falls to the feds to intervene. If that is rejected, history shows us the ensuing response will not be favorable to the Marxists. Examples abound in Central America and Eastern Europe post WWII.
 

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An unfortunate relic trope from the Cold War days.  We won that war economically - and because we built a fuckton of military might to beat those son of a bitches. We did it using economic weapons, not thugs in the street.

 
 
 
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But a good topic to explore further.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 2:44 AM, Brisketexan said:

Here’s something fun. Many of us regularly interact with FPS officers, US Marshals, and CBP agents. Now, every time you do so, you get to wonder whether they were part of the group committing war crimes against their own people. So, that’s fun.

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One of my neighbors is a DHS agent that just got back after spending a week "somewhere". I wonder where he was sent...

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 AM, ousuxndallas said:
If history holds true, there will be a response to the Marxist/communist violence. And it will likely be groups of far, far right people that start rounding up agitators, and taking things into their own hands. If the Marxists can't self police, and the local governments don't keep them in check, then it falls to the feds to intervene. If that is rejected, history shows us the ensuing response will not be favorable to the Marxists. Examples abound in Central America and Eastern Europe post WWII.

Pick your poison. Be careful what you wish for.

Yeah. Like those Marxist moms
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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 AM, ousuxndallas said:

If history holds true, there will be a response to the Marxist/communist violence. And it will likely be groups of far, far right people that start rounding up agitators, and taking things into their own hands. If the Marxists can't self police, and the local governments don't keep them in check, then it falls to the feds to intervene. If that is rejected, history shows us the ensuing response will not be favorable to the Marxists. Examples abound in Central America and Eastern Europe post WWII.

Pick your poison. Be careful what you wish for.

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When did you stop beating your wife?

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  On 7/23/2020 at 1:12 PM, Anastasis said:

In all fairness, there are like 12 black people in Portland. 

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I know but that’s where this goes when black people stand up for their rights every single time, going back to the civil rights movement.  White folks join in support and they all become Marxists over night.  It’s a trick to delegitimization protests and movements.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 12:00 PM, Bullneck said:

 

 

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Narrator: they did not

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portland-mayor-tear-gassed-amid-protests-over-federal-agents/ar-BB175QVS?ocid=msedgntp

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PORTLAND—Mayor Ted Wheeler joined protesters here on the front lines Wednesday night and was tear-gassed with the crowd, days after criticizing the Trump administration’s deployment of federal agents.

Videos and photographs of Mr. Wheeler posted on social media showed him wearing goggles and a surgical mask and coughing amid a cloud of gas.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 1:17 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I know but that’s where this goes when black people stand up for their rights every single time, going back to the civil rights movement.  White folks join in support and they all become Marxists over night.  It’s a trick to delegitimization protests and movements.

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Maybe he learned the tactic from the FBI?

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  On 7/23/2020 at 1:38 PM, Anastasis said:

Maybe he learned the tactic from the FBI?

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Yes, the practices of the FBI were evil and wrong during the Civil Rights Era and there are pieces of shit in the FBI now but like political parties, the FBI is an institution made up of people, which can be good or bad and have the ability to change.  My point here is the institution is not inherently evil but it can easily earn that perception when it’s led by evil people. The same holds true for political parties.
 

“But the democrats are the real racist party, just look at their history!”  

Takes like these are specious and only intended to avoid accountability.  

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  On 7/23/2020 at 1:49 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

“But the democrats are the real racist party, just look at their history!”  

Takes like these are specious and only intended to avoid accountability.  

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Yeah, I am not saying anything like that and not sure what it really has to do with the current exchange.  

  On 7/23/2020 at 1:49 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yes, the practices of the FBI were evil and wrong during the Civil Rights Era and there are pieces of shit in the FBI now but like political parties, the FBI is an institution made up of people, which can be good or bad and have the ability to change.

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I think that I found the problem.

These federal institutions have both historically and contemporaneously been used as tools of domestic and foreign oppression. I think that we need to simply eliminate some of these institutions (e.g., DHS) and significantly constrain others (ICE, FBI, CIA, NSA). If some of those are resistant to constraint, or abuse the powers they have been given by working outside the guardrails that have been established, then they need to be salvaged through decapitation. But instead what we have is people caping for one or the other based on momentary political inclinations.     

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  On 7/23/2020 at 2:06 PM, Anastasis said:

Yeah, I am not saying anything like that and not sure what it really has to do with the current exchange.  

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It was an analogy.  
 

  On 7/23/2020 at 2:06 PM, Anastasis said:

These federal institutions have both historically and contemporaneously been used as tools of domestic and foreign oppression. I think that we need to simply eliminate some of these institutions (e.g., DHS) and significantly constrain others (ICE, FBI, CIA, NSA). If some of those are resistant to constraint, or abuse the powers they have been given by working outside the guardrails that have been established, then they need to be salvaged through decapitation. But instead what we have is people caping for one or the other based on momentary political inclinations.     

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These institutions are all vehicles of law enforcement and have been used and abused to protect, reinforce, and advance status quo wealth/white supremacy.  That’s the ugly truth as I know it.  We’re told we have them to protect our freedoms but often their purpose is to protect power from the people.

Major reforms in these institutions are absolutely necessary and if we still want to call ourselves a free democratic society with a straight face, some of these institutions probably need to go or repurposed.  

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  On 7/23/2020 at 2:20 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It was an analogy.  

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And a totally irrelevant and specious one to the current exchange. 

  On 7/23/2020 at 2:20 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Major reforms in these institutions are absolutely necessary and if we still want to call ourselves a free democratic society with a straight face, some of these institutions probably need to go and/or repurposed.  

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Agreed.  And the necessity of those reforms have been obvious for quite some time.  Perhaps the current environment and the near term change in political leadership will bring about the necessary reforms.  I remain skeptical, but hope to be proven wrong. 

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Anastasis completely agrees with Hugo right now but can't stop saying both sides or trying to withdraw from the specific actions actually happening in order to seem like he's not blaming a particular group. It's funny.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 2:26 PM, Huckleberry said:

Anastasis completely agrees with Hugo right now but can't stop saying both sides. It's funny.

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I don't think that I made an explicit both sides argument up thread. Of course, the both sides is implicit in discussion of domestic and foreign abuses by federal three letter agencies, because reality and things. So I will grant you that. 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:13 AM, BearSchlong said:

Just talked to my sister who writes the indictments. 50 so far, and the offenders are mainly from out of state. Zero charges for property damage, all are for assault, aiming lasers at planes, trying to blind people, shooting Roman candles at feds, etc.

The protests are now just a tourist destination.

Also, Beaumont, TX (population 118K) has 10,000 more black residents than Portland.

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Cool.  If certain individuals commit illegal acts, they can and should face legal consequences.  That seems like an EXCELLENT principle to uphold, wouldn't you agree?  I have no problem with any individual who points a laser into another person's eyes facing criminal charges.  I presume you likewise agree that any individual who viciously swings a club at a person who does not constitute any threat to the attacker or others, to the point of shattering the victim's bones, and then shooting him in the face with chemicals, should likewise face criminal charges....right?

The law applies to everyone.

Or it doesn't apply at all.  That's the way the Rule of Law works.

  On 7/23/2020 at 6:33 AM, Bama Chick said:

What an idiot.

 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 6:42 AM, washparkhorn said:

It is shameful Americans have to use homemade defensive shields to exercise their freedom of speech and assembly. He has shit for brains when it comes to judgment. 

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Yep, "look at the fact that the way we deal with any and all protesters, including the fucking MAYOR of the city, means that any protester with a brain is going to gear up to protect himself.  Look what I have proven!"

Dumbass fascist.

  On 7/23/2020 at 1:17 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I know but that’s where this goes when black people stand up for their rights every single time, going back to the civil rights movement.  White folks join in support and they all become Marxists over night.  It’s a trick to delegitimization protests and movements.

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The "we have to go out and fight these marxists" is lazy unoriginal shit ripped right out of 1963.  What a CLEVER attack!

Fucking seriously, the stupidity.....it burns.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:13 AM, BearSchlong said:

Just talked to my sister who writes the indictments. 50 so far, and the offenders are mainly from out of state. Zero charges for property damage, all are for assault, aiming lasers at planes, trying to blind people, shooting Roman candles at feds, etc.

The protests are now just a tourist destination.

Also, Beaumont, TX (population 118K) has 10,000 more black residents than Portland.

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Now other people who sympathize with the protesters shouldn't go to Portland to join them? I'm so confused by these right-wing takes.

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