Jimbo 2023: Watch.The.Tape.

[BigHornedLurker 1,965]

Nothing says SEC like Luke Fickell

 

I'd love to see a long con from kiffen  auburn to Bama though, and if there's a man to do it he'd go down as a legend of the likes that would make Lincoln Reilly blush 

[Lonestar88 4,700]

20 minutes ago, Fud said:

Auburn has modern national championship upside, and they'll pay you. Only so many schools can really say that. 

Lane is 18-4 in his last two seasons, and has one of Ole Miss's only 10 win regular seasons in its history. He's on the shortlist of best available candidates for a top 20 job like Auburn, with Rhule, Fickell, and if you can stomach him, Freeze

Auburn’s boosters are the worst to deal with in the country, if I’m a coach with options, you’d have to money whip me Jimbo Fisher style to get me to go there. And I’d also need to be near the tail end of my career, because my future prospects will probably be shit after inevitably getting run through and spit out of the Auburn machine. Even the guy who won that modern national championship got spit out two years later and he hasn’t been a head coach since.

Lane Kiffin is an unprofessional asshat whose mouth is bigger than his accomplishments. . Many of the top schools won’t even consider hiring him. People above are mentioning Alabama and Clemson, no way in hell.

And Ole Miss has only beaten two teams with a winning record this year and one of them is Troy.

[cochamps 1,879]

8 minutes ago, Fud said:

He might not be available for anyone not named Ohio State or Notre Dame

I can see where he'd be a better fit in the midwest.  I am not sure that Rhule would be a fit at Auburn either.

[Zhorn96 1,773]

42 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:

You guys are overrating both the Auburn job and Lane Kiffin.

No one overrates Joey Freshwater

[Huckleberry 33,072]

40 minutes ago, Fud said:

He's on the shortlist of best available candidates for a top 20 job like Auburn, with Rhule, Fickell, and if you can stomach him, Freeze

This sentence does more to make Sarkisian seem okay than anything Sarkisian has ever done. 

[Bevo 13,596]

20 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This sentence does more to make Sarkisian seem okay than anything Sarkisian has ever done. 

Tell me about Rhule as a coach. All I know is he did well at Baylor.

[Pato del Muerto 52,571]

3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Tell me about Rhule as a coach. All I know is he did well at Baylor.

Also he did well at temple. 
 

if you can do well at temple and Baylor, you can coach.  Nfl…well even Saban and urban and spurrier  had issues there. 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[Huckleberry 33,072]

8 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Tell me about Rhule as a coach. All I know is he did well at Baylor.

He's a good coach who had a lot of luck at Baylor. I'm not going to argue with people who say he's better than Sarkisian, but I don't agree he's elite. It's just as likely that he's Matt Campbell with ambition. 

But my main point was that the list he posted makes it seem like if Sarkisian was looking right now fresh off his Alabama success he'd easily be a top 3 candidate for a top 20 job. It's more a comment on the coaching talent pool than anything. 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Huckleberry

[Vertigo 20,309]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

He's a good coach who had a lot of luck at Baylor. I'm not going to argue with people who say he's better than Sarkisian, but I don't agree he's elite. It's just as likely that he's Matt Campbell with ambition. 

But my main point was that the list he posted makes it seem like if Sarkisian was looking right now fresh off his Alabama success he'd easily be a top 3 candidate for a top 20 job. It's more a comment on the coaching talent pool than anything. 

I am sure Rhule is getting pinged left and right through backchannels. He is a good coach, time will tell if he is a great coach. Even a good coach will be a welcomed addition to the right program. 

[Butch Had Not 2,992]

2 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I am sure Rhule is getting pinged left and right through backchannels. He is a good coach, time will tell if he is a great coach. Even a good coach will be a welcomed addition to the right program. 

Backchannels? He's not coaching right now. No need to be discreet. 

[Bevo 13,596]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

He's a good coach who had a lot of luck at Baylor. I'm not going to argue with people who say he's better than Sarkisian, but I don't agree he's elite. It's just as likely that he's Matt Campbell with ambition. 

But my main point was that the list he posted makes it seem like if Sarkisian was looking right now fresh off his Alabama success he'd easily be a top 3 candidate for a top 20 job. It's more a comment on the coaching talent pool than anything. 

Yeah, I understood what you were getting at and I agree.

Personally, I'm extremely cynical these days. Saban built his reputation off of rampant cheating. I kind of feel like he is Rhule or Campbell but with no moral compass. So basically a good coach who is willing to break the rules to win. And Oregon and Georgia show that this philosophy works. And with Sark, I feel like if he has the talent, he may not be great, but he can win lots of games. Shit, Cristobal kind of sucks and he won a lot of games at Oregon.

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13 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Tell me about Rhule as a coach. All I know is he did well at Baylor.

Rhule and his staff were excellent evaluators at Baylor. Part of what they looked for in character make-up was innate toughness. Not beating the shit out of you in practice toughness, but born angry and looking to fucking hit something toughness. That is currently eroding off of the roster at Baylor, allegedly, and thank goodness if so. Maguire says that Aranda runs a soft program and lucked into a bunch of hard, pipe-hitting motherfuckers at Baylor that Rhule's crew had curated for them.

I would like for Matt Rhule to be coaching far away from Texas until I am sure that Texas has its shit together in getting out of the country club mindset with its football players. Wherever Rhule lands, Texas should offer every defensive player and TB that he goes after. 

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1 hour ago, Fud said:

Which top twenty job specifically do you see opening up in the next two years not named Auburn? 

Odds are at least one other top twenty job opens up, but it's not guaranteed that one does open up in the next two years, and it's not guaranteed that you even get that job that you're waiting for

Additionally, while the boosters at Auburn are a pain in the ass, they do help you acquire talent, and it's not like head coaches at Auburn get fired at a higher rate than at other SEC schools. The Harsin one is a bit of an outlier because the lame-duck AD went rogue and hired a guy who the boosters didn't want.  

There a bunch of coaching jobs prefererable to Bama Aggie that might open up.  Mack might retire, Oregon has difficulty keeping coaches for long, Wiscy has an interim, Venables is stinking up Norman, maybe Ferentz decides to retire.  Freeman and Tucker aren't looking good, either.  Everyone one of those places would be more appealing to me than Auburn if I were a coach.

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1 minute ago, cafe society said:

There a bunch of coaching jobs prefererable to Bama Aggie that might open up.  Mack might retire, Oregon has difficulty keeping coaches for long, Wiscy has an interim, Venables is stinking up Norman, maybe Ferentz decides to retire.  Freeman and Tucker aren't looking good, either.  Everyone one of those places would be more appealing to me than Auburn if I were a coach.

Never been to East Lansing, I take it?

[cafe society 2,872]

Just now, closetojumping said:

Never been to East Lansing, I take it?

I knew as soon as I posted it that was a bad one to include.  Touche`.

[Vertigo 20,309]

6 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

Backchannels? He's not coaching right now. No need to be discreet. 

Schools with coaches still in place could really get their dicks caught in the pencil sharpener for the season if it became public that they were recruiting around their coach. 

[Vertigo 20,309]

5 minutes ago, cafe society said:

There a bunch of coaching jobs prefererable to Bama Aggie that might open up.  Mack might retire, Oregon has difficulty keeping coaches for long, Wiscy has an interim, Venables is stinking up Norman, maybe Ferentz decides to retire.  Freeman and Tucker aren't looking good, either.  Everyone one of those places would be more appealing to me than Auburn if I were a coach.

Michigan State is just barely avoiding becoming the laughingstock of CFB by an order of 1 Jimbo. 

[Leanderman 2,276]

Time for Frank Wilson to move up.

[Fud 9,552]

1 hour ago, cafe society said:

There a bunch of coaching jobs prefererable to Bama Aggie that might open up.  Mack might retire, Oregon has difficulty keeping coaches for long, Wiscy has an interim, Venables is stinking up Norman, maybe Ferentz decides to retire.  Freeman and Tucker aren't looking good, either.  Everyone one of those places would be more appealing to me than Auburn if I were a coach.

Those jobs also might not open up for several years 

Also, if you do want a chance to win championships, you listed several schools that have never shown the ability to recruit at the requisite level to contend, while we’ve seen Auburn do it relatively recently 

[Bevo 13,596]

12 minutes ago, Fud said:

Those jobs also might not open up for several years 

Also, if you do want a chance to win championships, you listed several schools that have never shown the ability to recruit at the requisite level to contend, while we’ve seen Auburn do it relatively recently 

How big of fans are Penn State? I imagine they need to beat tOSU occassionally in order to keep a coach. So, I imagine they know that they need to pay up to get the top Pennsylvania, NJ, Eastern Ohio and Virginia high schoolers.

[Butch Had Not 2,992]

1 hour ago, Leanderman said:

Time for Frank Wilson to move up.

Where is Wilson at right now?

[Deej 76,897]

Rhule looks like half the guys Netflix does murder porn series about. 

 

 

[Dr. Teeth 5,845]

1 hour ago, Butch Had Not said:

Where is Wilson at right now?

Still at sea. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12,496]

12 hours ago, Enchubben said:

Man if Hill and Hicks were to somehow decommit from aggy, A&M’s class would be ranked 36th in the country. Fingers crossed. 

Well Texas is in the process of setting up a visit with Hill. Let's hope we hear the same about Hicks 

[JesusSweatDuck 17,809]

4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Never been to East Lansing, I take it?

My father is from there. It fucking sucks

[Tex Pete 20,430]

12 hours ago, Hornlover said:

I thought they considered TJ Shanahan to be their best OL prospect.

He's likely to be top 3 in the Looch 44 (ranking dependent upon whether Looch releases it before or after Hicks and Hill decommit).

The Loochie 44 will come out after NSD. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12,496]

8 hours ago, TXRed said:

Saban might be looking for a QB after watching Milroe shit himself against aTm. It would be the most glorious meltdown in texags history if he were to somehow recruit Weigman into the portal. 

Weigman or he'll go hard for Raiola

[Funk Doctor Spock 12,496]

8 hours ago, Fud said:

Which top twenty job specifically do you see opening up in the next two years not named Auburn? 

Odds are at least one other top twenty job opens up, but it's not guaranteed that one does open up in the next two years, and it's not guaranteed that you even get that job that you're waiting for

Additionally, while the boosters at Auburn are a pain in the ass, they do help you acquire talent, and it's not like head coaches at Auburn get fired at a higher rate than at other SEC schools. The Harsin one is a bit of an outlier because the lame-duck AD went rogue and hired a guy who the boosters didn't want.  

Kiffin is a terrible recruiter, tho, so they may not even go that route. Hs recruiter, not portal recruiter. 

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16 hours ago, Vertigo said:

If I am being honest I might switch Bisontis for Cojoe.

 

16 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Swapping their best OL for our least promising would be funny. I don't think Cojoe stays in UT's class either way, though.

Damn, y'all really don't think highly of Cojoe?

I know Gerry Hamilton recently reiterated that he is considers Cojoe a high-ceiling development prospect that UT doesn't want to lose to TCU.

[Fud 9,552]

7 hours ago, Spider2YBanana said:

Kiffin is a terrible recruiter, tho, so they may not even go that route. Hs recruiter, not portal recruiter. 

Kiffin isn't a "terrible recruiter" 

[NoName 16,369]

17 hours ago, Fud said:

I don't think Nebraska is a top 20 job. 20 is an arbitrary number, but I see about 17 jobs that are sure top 20s, and pushing it to 20 gets you to a nice, round number 

Alabama
Georgia
Ohio State
Texas
LSU
USC
Notre Dame
Michigan
Florida
Oklahoma
Penn State
Clemson
A&M
Tennessee
Auburn
FSU
Miami

Then you can round it out with whichever you prefer out of Oregon, UCLA, UNC, Washington, or an upper-mid Big 10 program, or one of the private schools that'll pay you top dollar but have a lower football ceiling? I don't feel like arguing the last three

In any event, not of those 16 (without Auburn) appear to be likely to come open individually, unless Harbs decides to go to the NFL, or if you're including UNC then maybe Mack retires

 

don't disagree with you and your counts, ranking of the jobs, or overall thoughts job rankings...but Nebraska is on every single blue blood list out there which is the only reason I included it. 

16 hours ago, cochamps said:

I can see where he'd be a better fit in the midwest.  I am not sure that Rhule would be a fit at Auburn either.

Ruhle's concept is recruit great athletes and turn them into something that works. If it works at Temple AND Baylor, I feel confident it would work at Auburn.

54 minutes ago, Fud said:

Kiffin isn't a "terrible recruiter" 

transition class was #34 in composite. #17 in 21. #27 in 22 (18 commits, but had an average that easily puts him in the top 20.) Currently at #26 with 13 commits (average is closer to 10 than 20, behind schools with 20, 24, 26, 20, 15, 21 commits)

2015 was #17

2016 was #5 (Freeze was fired for recruiting violations)

2017 Ole Miss was #31

2018 was #32

2019 were #22

he's fine. i wouldn't worry about his recruiting.

Edited November 1, 2022 by NoName

[cochamps 1,879]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

don't disagree with you and your counts, ranking of the jobs, or overall thoughts job rankings...but Nebraska is on every single blue blood list out there which is the only reason I included it. 

Ruhle's concept is recruit great athletes and turn them into something that works. If it works at Temple AND Baylor, I feel confident it would work at Auburn.

transition class was #34 in composite. #17 in 21. #27 in 22 (18 commits, but had an average that easily puts him in the top 20.) Currently at #26 with 13 commits (average is closer to 10 than 20, behind schools with 20, 24, 26, 20, 15, 21 commits)

2015 was #17

2016 was #5 (Freeze was fired for recruiting violations)

2017 Ole Miss was #31

2018 was #32

2019 were #22

he's fine. i wouldn't worry about his recruiting.

Rhule has never worked at a public university, nor one that has meddling boosters near the Auburn level.  My comment about fit really had nothing to do with on the field stuff.  Not saying he couldn't succeed, I just don't think it's a slam dunk,

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1 hour ago, cochamps said:

Rhule has never worked at a public university, nor one that has meddling boosters near the Auburn level.  My comment about fit really had nothing to do with on the field stuff.  Not saying he couldn't succeed, I just don't think it's a slam dunk,

Was very notable to me that he saw the smoking crater of sexual assault and other villainy at Baylor and said "yeah, that's the job for me."

[Wulaw Horn 19,147]

20 hours ago, Fud said:

I don't think Nebraska is a top 20 job. 20 is an arbitrary number, but I see about 17 jobs that are sure top 20s, and pushing it to 20 gets you to a nice, round number 

Alabama
Georgia
Ohio State
Texas
LSU
USC
Notre Dame
Michigan
Florida
Oklahoma
Penn State
Clemson
A&M
Tennessee
Auburn
FSU
Miami

Then you can round it out with whichever you prefer out of Oregon, UCLA, UNC, Washington, or an upper-mid Big 10 program, or one of the private schools that'll pay you top dollar but have a lower football ceiling? I don't feel like arguing the last three

In any event, not of those 16 (without Auburn) appear to be likely to come open individually, unless Harbs decides to go to the NFL, or if you're including UNC then maybe Mack retires

 

Wisconsin should be on there. Perhaps once could argue UH going into the big 12 if Tilman is interested in NIL funding and being a sugar daddy for the program. I more or less laugh at UH but I think I’d rather coach there with commitment from Ferntits than I would Nebraska. More talent in your back yard and an easier path to the playoffs going to 12 teams in the playoffs in the new and weakened, but still likely strong enough big 12 

[Codaxx 5,829]

20 hours ago, Fud said:

I don't think Nebraska is a top 20 job. 20 is an arbitrary number, but I see about 17 jobs that are sure top 20s, and pushing it to 20 gets you to a nice, round number 

Alabama
Georgia
Ohio State
Texas
LSU
USC
Notre Dame
Michigan
Florida
Oklahoma
Penn State
Clemson
A&M
Tennessee
Auburn
FSU
Miami

Then you can round it out with whichever you prefer out of Oregon, UCLA, UNC, Washington, or an upper-mid Big 10 program, or one of the private schools that'll pay you top dollar but have a lower football ceiling? I don't feel like arguing the last three

In any event, not of those 16 (without Auburn) appear to be likely to come open individually, unless Harbs decides to go to the NFL, or if you're including UNC then maybe Mack retires

 

Auburn is a stretch as a top 20 job. You are in between Alabama and Georgia. I dont see what makes Auburn, much better than say someone like  Ole Miss. 

[ClubWhatever 12,154]

Just now, Codaxx said:

Auburn is a stretch as a top 20 job. You are in between Alabama and Georgia. I dont see what makes Auburn, much better than say someone like  Ole Miss. 

Resources.  They can pay two coaches to go away in the space of 2 years. 

[TexEx15 17,568]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Auburn is a stretch as a top 20 job. You are in between Alabama and Georgia. I dont see what makes Auburn, much better than say someone like  Ole Miss. 

Give me Ole Miss any day. Keep them 8-4 or better every year and a 10 win season every now and then with an occasional playoff run especially when it expands and you are set. They are the OKST of the SEC.

[Codaxx 5,829]

3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Resources.  They can pay two coaches to go away in the space of 2 years. 

Both of boosters that will play the game and spend money. Auburn happens to have maybe the most bat shit crazy booster. Yella Fella Jimmmy Rane. 

[Lonestar88 4,700]

3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Resources.  They can pay two coaches to go away in the space of 2 years. 

That’s not much of a positive if you’re the coach.

“You should come coach here, we can make coaches go away!”

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

4 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:

That’s not much of a positive if you’re the coach.

“You should come coach here, we can make coaches go away!”

...with 8 figures in their pocket

[Fud 9,552]

39 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Wisconsin should be on there. Perhaps once could argue UH going into the big 12 if Tilman is interested in NIL funding and being a sugar daddy for the program. I more or less laugh at UH but I think I’d rather coach there with commitment from Ferntits than I would Nebraska. More talent in your back yard and an easier path to the playoffs going to 12 teams in the playoffs in the new and weakened, but still likely strong enough big 12 

An argument against Wisconsin is Arkansas stole their coach 

[Chopper 17,244]

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Edited November 1, 2022 by Chopper

[Fud 9,552]

23 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Auburn is a stretch as a top 20 job. You are in between Alabama and Georgia. I dont see what makes Auburn, much better than say someone like  Ole Miss. 

If you care about winning, which arguably many coaches do, over the past 12 or so years Auburn has won a national championship, played in another national championship, and won the SEC west. Ole Miss just had its first 10 win regular season ever. QED. 

[bluto 4,942]

1 minute ago, Chopper said:

Not definitive obv but here's the he real estate test for which middle-of-the-rural-south small city most people would rather live in. Not quite LA versus Norman but...

What college is in auburn Georgia 

[Chopper 17,244]

4 minutes ago, bluto said:

What college is in auburn Georgia 

Half asleep University?

[Codaxx 5,829]

5 minutes ago, Fud said:

If you care about winning, which arguably many coaches do, over the past 12 or so years Auburn has won a national championship, played in another national championship, and won the SEC west. Ole Miss just had its first 10 win regular season ever. QED. 

Ole Miss won 10 in 2015 also. NCAA investigation had a hand in recent records. I am simply comparing recruiting grounds, facilities, fan support, etc. I do not think there is something that makes Auburn stand out over a lot of other SEC schools. You are the second fiddle in a small state, though bigger recruiting ground. Your natural recruiting grounds are Alabama and Georgia. You are not the favorite vs either them in normal recruitments. . 

[mwaadeeb 1,235]

7 minutes ago, Fud said:

If you care about winning, which arguably many coaches do, over the past 12 or so years Auburn has won a national championship, played in another national championship, and won the SEC west. Ole Miss just had its first 10 win regular season ever. QED. 

It's not like Ole Miss is Kansas. Leaving his own guys and a lot of good will for a mid-tier clusterfuck seems dumb.

[Fud 9,552]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Ole Miss won 10 in 2015 also. NCAA investigation had a hand in recent records. I am simply comparing recruiting grounds, facilities, fan support, etc. I do not think there is something that makes Auburn stand out over a lot of other SEC schools. You are the second fiddle in a small state, though bigger recruiting ground. Your natural recruiting grounds are Alabama and Georgia. You are not the favorite vs either them in normal recruitments. . 

Ole Miss won 9 regular season games in 2015

[Fud 9,552]

2 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

It's not like Ole Miss is Kansas. Leaving his own guys and a lot of good will for a mid-tier clusterfuck seems dumb.

What does this have to do with Auburn not being a better job than Ole Miss? 

[Fondren & Main 6,732]

14 minutes ago, Fud said:

If you care about winning, which arguably many coaches do, over the past 12 or so years Auburn has won a national championship, played in another national championship, and won the SEC west. Ole Miss just had its first 10 win regular season ever. QED. 

So, what?  Nebraska won a bunch of titles and played for additional ones in the 90’s and is in the top 10 all time for wins.  You don’t see anyone tripping over themselves to coach there.