2020 MLB thread

[kevwun 15940]

Lesson #1 is that a bubble system is the only possible way you can play games right now.  You can't keep the virus away from teams if the players are free to socialize with outside people.

Edited July 27, 2020 by kevwun

[Helobious 9489]

8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Adam Silver for president.

I wish I was kidding.

The fact that he gets praised so much leads me to not trust him, I know that sounds strange. He also looks part reptile. 

[Beau Vine 54500]

17 minutes ago, Scraps said:

There are many fuck ups here:

A. Didn't bubble (which doesn't eliminate chance but cuts it down tremendously compared to people moving about freely)

B. Their tests suck. I went and had a test 2 weeks ago at 10am and was sent result at 11pm. I do not work in a multi million billion dollar industry. These fucksticks should have instant tests results where if they test positive they are not allowed in. Instead they test, and then from what i heard, may not get results for 2 days....what's the fucking point of testing then? So stupid.

C. Manfred as the leader

 

 

It was doomed to fail from the start

 

I don't think those 1-hour tests are very accurate.

I seriously can't believe they let this thing get fucked three ways from Tuesday in one weekend.  How did they not have a policy on how many positives it takes to cancel a game?  Seems like that would have been very very high up on the to-do list.  Manfred needs to be sent adrift; I don't know how this clown is still in charge.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Another solution:  Shift the NL and AL into a +L and -L.

With relegation, of course.  

[gyroprotagonist 2595]

This is the future of sports

[Scraps 13586]

I don't think those 1-hour tests are very accurate.
I seriously can't believe they let this thing get fucked three ways from Tuesday in one weekend.  How did they not have a policy on how many positives it takes to cancel a game?  Seems like that would have been very very high up on the to-do list.  Manfred needs to be sent adrift; I don't know how this clown is still in charge.

They are already doing something not as accurate (spit test) that is out there and taking 24-48 hours to get the results lol

[kevwun 15940]

The thing that really blows my mind about this is that we are 5 months in to a global pandemic and people still don't understand that if you have been exposed and have to get tested that you have to consider yourself positive and act accordingly until the results comeback.  You don't continue to move about freely in the meantime.  That MLB doesn't understand this is just depressing and I would be laughing at their stupidity if it didn't mean that the season is probably going to get cancelled.

Edited July 27, 2020 by kevwun

[ztejas 43630]

MLB tries to restart amid covid19 fears (2020)

[Beau Vine 54500]

Yankees @ PHI cancelled

[clapclapclap 9000]

Are you regarded?

[Planet Houston 4942]

14 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Yankees @ PHI cancelled

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RODEO

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

[UTexasFight 9579]

2021 season starts on April fools.

I wish I could make this up

At this rate, we’ll have witnessed ~7 days of baseball over the previous 518 at that point.

I would be so depressed if this weren’t so expected.

My biggest concern now might be figuring out how to keep my 5 yo interested in the sport having seen virtually no baseball for the most recent ~20% of his life.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8849]

MLB tries to restart amid covid19 fears (2020)

Well..he did take off his mask at the game

[C-Man 27293]

34 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The thing that really blows my mind about this is that we are 5 months in to a global pandemic and people still don't understand that if you have been exposed and have to get tested that you have to consider yourself positive and act accordingly until the results comeback.  You don't continue to move about freely in the meantime.  That MLB doesn't understand this is just depressing and I would be laughing at their stupidity if it didn't mean that the season is probably going to get cancelled.

And I'm sure it was business-as-usual (or close to it) inside team clubhouses. We haven't gone back to the office yet but when we do there will be rules in place -- no in-office meetings of any kind, you must wear masks at all times unless you have your own confined office and are in it, break room is basically off-limits, there are bathroom protocols, etc.

[clapclapclap 9000]

So what are the owners' options if the players' association still refuses a bubble option?  I have no problem if individual players want to opt out to avoid risk, even if they all do, but I'd rather see an Astros that are all minor league callups than no baseball at all.  I'm sure that there are plenty of young and minor league players that would be willing to do 2.5-4 months in a bubble.

The owners have already forced a season, right?  So they can just call up guys and resume play in a bubble at some point if the owners choose to?  Or does the bubble require new negotiations?

And stop worrying about trying to get the playoffs in ASAP.  A bubble isn't perfect but there is less risk and you can do 14-day quarantine pauses as needed.  Football is going to be much more difficult to pull off a full season, so come Nov-Dec the TV side may be very willing to provide additional revenue for more content to replace big holes in their schedules.

Edited July 27, 2020 by clapclapclap

[Bartles 769]

Plz forget the bubble and don't even bring it up for baseball. It was a logistical nightmare even with time to plan. Arizona and Florida were the most likely locations and they are both swimming in virus now. Plus the weather only allows night games so you'd need a bunch of fields to be rigged up for safety. And television would need to come in and outfit all the fields for their needs. All of which costs a fortune, and of course no fan revenue coming in. And I'm sure many other deal-killing reasons

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

So shut the Phillies down for two weeks? Can't be sure any of them didn't catch it yesterday until the incubation period passes.

[Pasken 1309]

4 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

So shut the Phillies down for two weeks? Can't be sure any of them didn't catch it yesterday until the incubation period passes.
 

How do you makeup 2 weeks of games? You might have to shut down all teams for 2 weeks.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Pasken

[tx 3 putt 77679]

A 3 game season. Can all the 2-1 teams claim the title ?

[Pasken 1309]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

A 3 game season. Can all the 2-1 teams claim the title ?

And the Texas Rangers remain championshipless. haha, bitches.

[Pig Bellmont 8745]

The Marlins and Phillies need to isolate for 2 weeks. If the Phillies play, there will certainly be spread that could quickly get out of hand

[clapclapclap 9000]

13 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Plz forget the bubble and don't even bring it up for baseball. It was a logistical nightmare even with time to plan. Arizona and Florida were the most likely locations and they are both swimming in virus now. 

Florida is also the site of the (so far) successful NBA bubble.  

[WBT 20719]

Full speed ahead.  A's-Angels first pitch is in 2 hours.

[tx 3 putt 77679]

10 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Florida is also the site of the (so far) successful NBA bubble.  

but 'picking up food' from the strip club is ok !

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

but 'picking up food' from the strip club is ok !

Pandemic or not, people have to eat.

[Beau Vine 54500]

18 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The Marlins and Phillies need to isolate for 2 weeks. If the Phillies play, there will certainly be spread that could quickly get out of hand

Yep, I think this is the only way to keep this from getting out of hand. Standings based on end-of-season winning percentage.   Are the pro-rated salaries they negotiated based on the expected games (60/162), or would shutting a team down mean a paycut for everyone?

Edited July 27, 2020 by Beau Vine

[Bartles 769]

NBA and MLS are entirely on Disney grounds. They aren't interacting with any locals in Orlando (which is comparatively safer than coastal Florida anyway). Pretty much every human they encounter is being tested regularly.

[Beau Vine 54500]

Manfred has made Gary Bettman look competent.

[Beau Vine 54500]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52697]

18 minutes ago, Bartles said:

NBA and MLS are entirely on Disney grounds. They aren't interacting with any locals in Orlando (which is comparatively safer than coastal Florida anyway). Pretty much every human they encounter is being tested regularly.

MLS had a game postponed already

[Pato del Muerto 52697]

1 hour ago, UTexasFight said:

2021 season starts on April fools.

I wish I could make this up

At this rate, we’ll have witnessed ~7 days of baseball over the previous 518 at that point.

I would be so depressed if this weren’t so expected.

My biggest concern now might be figuring out how to keep my 5 yo interested in the sport having seen virtually no baseball for the most recent ~20% of his life.

Play baseball with him?

[tx 3 putt 77679]

1 hour ago, Scraps said:

They are already doing something not as accurate (spit test) that is out there and taking 24-48 hours to get the results lol
 

do not take a spit test in an abandoned sam's parking lot, no matter how legit the 'covid testing' banner look !

[tx 3 putt 77679]

2 hours ago, gyroprotagonist said:

This is the future of sports

 

 

i was unbeatable at cyberball

[UTexasFight 9579]

14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Play baseball with him?

Oh we definitely do that... most if not every day.

but I’m a pretty boring guy and 1 on 1 baseball (because everyone is supposed to be social distancing and not participating in leagues, right?) gets kinda old.

Helps having real games to talk about/ learn from. But we’ll just keep digging through and watching the classics

[Sbbruin 21908]

41 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Yep, I think this is the only way to keep this from getting out of hand. Standings based on end-of-season winning percentage.   Are the pro-rated salaries they negotiated based on the expected games (60/162), or would shutting a team down mean a paycut for everyone?

Not sure you could legitimately call a team that goes 23-17 and division winner over a team that goes 23-17 a division winner over a team that goes 33-27.  But I don't think we see the end of the season.  I think this thing blows up in the next couple of weeks.

[Fozzz 152]

This is just sad. The virus is simply too out of control for this type of league to work. We’re a glorified third world country at this point compared to Europe and East Asia.  Embarrassing. 

[Beau Vine 54500]

I've spent an hour trying to find the full agreement to see if it really doesn't outline protocol for cancelling games.  The closest thing I've found is this clause:

Quote

Clubs must take the following steps to minimize potential transmission:

Identify all players and other employees who have had close contact and closely monitor them.

So the Marlins' idea of "closely monitoring players who have had close contact" was to put them in the starting lineup the next day?

The Marlins need to be fined bigtime for this.

And yeah, somehow they wrote a 100+ page document that didn't establish protocol for cancelling games, but did prohibit sunflower seeds.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Beau Vine

[Pig Bellmont 8745]

Something something “Derek Jeter is a player’s owner”

edit: shit I think there’s a hepatitis/std spread joke I missed 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Pig Bellmont

[Helobious 9489]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I've spent an hour trying to find the full agreement to see if it really doesn't outline protocol for cancelling games.  The closest thing I've found is this clause:

So the Marlins' idea of "closely monitoring players who have had close contact" was to put them in the starting lineup the next day?

The Marlins need to be fined bigtime for this.

No one puts Derek in a corner. 
 

This is 100% the fault of the manager, players, & coaching staff. They called a players meeting to decide if they should play or not, everyone talking in a crowded room. Beyond idiotic.

[UTexasFight 9579]

It was a good effort, but take the consensus top 5 teams in each league, isolate them at that Field of Dreams corn field in Iowa, and start the playoffs tomorrow. 
 

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

Play ball I guess

[clapclapclap 9000]

Always thought it was stupid for mlb to go with the 2/3/4 games series when they said they were trying to minimize travel and risk.  At this point, if they aren't going to do a bubble, it would be better to take a pause and redo the schedule.  Switch to division only games and do 7 game series home and away.  Cuts travel down to 4 road trips, 4 hotel stays.  Or 6/6 if need some flexibility for game postponements.  Quarantine the teams in the hotels during road trips.  Only a week at a time, so manageable.  Rig workers are able to handle such 'hardships'...

With an expanded playoffs there's a good chance one or more teams with a losing record makes the post-season, so the uneven schedule isn't as impactful.

Edited July 27, 2020 by clapclapclap

[Auto Driller 2506]

14 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

Play ball I guess
 

Well if you don’t talk about it then it can’t happen.

[Beau Vine 54500]

2 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

Well if you don’t talk about it then it can’t happen.

So they said, "SLOW THE TESTING DOWN!!"?

 

 

[clapclapclap 9000]

Jeter's already monetizing this:

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

46 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Always thought it was stupid for mlb to go with the 2/3/4 games series when they said they were trying to minimize travel and risk.  At this point, if they aren't going to do a bubble, it would be better to take a pause and redo the schedule.  Switch to division only games and do 7 game series home and away.  Cuts travel down to 4 road trips, 4 hotel stays.  Or 6/6 if need some flexibility for game postponements.  Quarantine the teams in the hotels during road trips.  Only a week at a time, so manageable.  Rig workers are able to handle such 'hardships'...

 

 

Have thought similar.  Less series and travel.  More games within each series.  But honestly, introducing travel at all just makes it messy, imo.

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

 

 

I'm nowhere near pro-Manfred or pro-owner, but my limited understanding is the player's association rejected a "bubble" type system.  If that's the case, surely I can expect Mr. Price to call them out soon.

 

[Beau Vine 54500]

4 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

 

I'm nowhere near pro-Manfred or pro-owner, but my limited understanding is the player's association rejected a "bubble" type system.  If that's the case, surely I can expect Mr. Price to call them out soon.

 

Well, the bubbles were going to be in Florida and Phoenix, so I'm sure that would have been fine and dandy.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Well, the bubbles were going to be in Florida and Phoenix, so I'm sure that would have been fine and dandy.

 

Hmm, well, at least they could somewhat contain things, perhaps?  I dunno.  If location of the bubbles were under debate, I suppose that's one thing.  It seems the NHL and NBA are doing OK (so far) with their plans.