Shooting at Austin protest tonight, 1 dead

[Saint Tacky 1622]

16 hours ago, ultimaton said:

Under the Perry rule, what is the threshold for a person standing in the same restaurant to fire his weapon first because that person in line with the firearm might aim that firearm at them?

[hornian 5230]

14 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

Under the Perry rule, what is the threshold for a person standing in the same restaurant to fire his weapon first because that person in line with the firearm might aim that firearm at them?

Shit, in this photo, the barrel of the sidearm is actually pointing at the person who took the picture. If Abbott thinks that shooting in this circumstance was justifiable self defense/stand your ground applies, then this would be an open and shut case for a pardon. Right Governor?

[NeverMarryAStripper 21999]

1 hour ago, Saint Tacky said:

Under the Perry rule, what is the threshold for a person standing in the same restaurant to fire his weapon first because that person in line with the firearm might aim that firearm at them?

I think the rule is if they are black you can shoot on sight, but if they are white you have to be a cop to be able to murder them.

[elfenix 34365]

No one has asked the important question: how do fuel city's tacos compare to Laredo taco co?

[YGIFS 19453]

That place is called "Fuel City Tacos"?  Seriously?

Was "Shit Town Tostadas" already taken?  

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

This seems relevant.

Quote

One warm afternoon in May, Dwight Jackson was getting dressed for a visit to his favorite cigar lounge. He slipped his holstered SIG Sauer P320 pistol onto his belt, put on a button-down shirt and leaned across his bed for his wallet. Suddenly, he said, the gun fired, sending a bullet tearing through his right buttock and into his left ankle.

 

“I heard ‘bang!’” said Jackson, 47, a locomotive engineer who lives in Locust Grove, Ga. “I looked down and saw blood.”

His wife heard the shot from down the hall and screamed. She called an ambulance while Jackson hobbled toward the front door, painting a trail of blood over the hardwood floors.

At no point, Jackson later told police, had he touched the gun’s trigger.

 

 

The P320 is one of the nation’s most popular handguns. A variant of the weapon is the standard-issue sidearm for every branch of the U.S. military. Since the gun’s introduction to the commercial market in 2014, manufacturer SIG Sauer has sold the P320 to hundreds of thousands of civilians, and it has been used by officers at more than a thousand law enforcement agencies across the nation, court records show.

It has also gruesomely injured scores of people who say the gun has a potentially deadly defect.

More than 100 people allege that their P320 pistols discharged when they did not pull the trigger, an eight-month investigation by The Washington Post and The Trace has found. At least 80 people were wounded in the shootings, which date to 2016.

At one point is your holstered weapon pointed directly at me a threat to my life?

Any cowboys or indians care to chime in?

[NeverMarryAStripper 21999]

Sorry, but making sure a handgun doesn't fire itself is a violation of the 2nd amendment

[Your Mom 4860]

20 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

That place is called "Fuel City Tacos"?  Seriously?

Was "Shit Town Tostadas" already taken?  

I’ve never been but years ago, perhaps on the old board, there was a thread about that place. It had cult status as the best tacos in Dallas. 

[YGIFS 19453]

I mean, I love a taco dive more than the next guy.  My mom ran a mid-grade mexican restaurant in West Chicago for a few years.

But if it's inside a gas station and you need to come armed  with your wife in her "fancy" sweatshirt to enjoy your "easter brunch", maybe start rethinking your life choices.  Not judging, but where the fuck do some of you live that you feel the need to drag up and down violent protests looking for trouble and arm yourselves to the teeth to prevent some kinda imminent gas station taco/feral hog showdown?  

Edited April 11, 2023 by YGIFS

[Js1 85651]

2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I mean, I love a taco dive more than the next guy.  My mom ran a mid-grade mexican restaurant in West Chicago for a few years.

But if it's inside a gas station and you need to come armed  with your wife in her "fancy" sweatshirt to enjoy your "easter brunch", maybe start rethinking your life choices.  

These people are losers. They were born as losers to loser parents, they’ll die losers, probably surrounded by their loser kids. No respect for anyone who needs to go out in public to get gringo tacos fucking packing heat 

[Handcruser 2805]

This seems relevant.

One warm afternoon in May, Dwight Jackson was getting dressed for a visit to his favorite cigar lounge. He slipped his holstered SIG Sauer P320 pistol onto his belt, put on a button-down shirt and leaned across his bed for his wallet. Suddenly, he said, the gun fired, sending a bullet tearing through his right buttock and into his left ankle.

 

“I heard ‘bang!’” said Jackson, 47, a locomotive engineer who lives in Locust Grove, Ga. “I looked down and saw blood.”

His wife heard the shot from down the hall and screamed. She called an ambulance while Jackson hobbled toward the front door, painting a trail of blood over the hardwood floors.

At no point, Jackson later told police, had he touched the gun’s trigger.

   

The P320 is one of the nation’s most popular handguns. A variant of the weapon is the standard-issue sidearm for every branch of the U.S. military. Since the gun’s introduction to the commercial market in 2014, manufacturer SIG Sauer has sold the P320 to hundreds of thousands of civilians, and it has been used by officers at more than a thousand law enforcement agencies across the nation, court records show.

It has also gruesomely injured scores of people who say the gun has a potentially deadly defect.

More than 100 people allege that their P320 pistols discharged when they did not pull the trigger, an eight-month investigation by The Washington Post and The Trace has found. At least 80 people were wounded in the shootings, which date to 2016.

At one point is your holstered weapon pointed directly at me a threat to my life?
Any cowboys or indians care to chime in?

Never. That was pretty easy.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

17 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

At one point is your holstered weapon pointed directly at me a threat to my life?
Any cowboys or indians care to chime in?

Never. That was pretty easy.

You thinking the cowboys and indians in that article shot themselves and are just too embarrassed to admit they’re fucking morons?

[hornian 5230]

15 hours ago, Handcruser said:

At one point is your holstered weapon pointed directly at me a threat to my life?
Any cowboys or indians care to chime in?

Never. That was pretty easy.

How about this chucklekfuck's holstered weapon?

Seems like that would be a threat to whoever is standing behind him if it discharges without the trigger being pulled. 

[Brisketexan 105483]

2 hours ago, hornian said:

How about this chucklekfuck's holstered weapon?

Seems like that would be a threat to whoever is standing behind him if it discharges without the trigger being pulled. 

You sound like a libtard who hates freedom and America.  "Freedom" means gun nut gets to do whatever he wants with his gun.  Period.  WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???????

[Bozo_Casanova 26614]

2 hours ago, hornian said:

How about this chucklekfuck's holstered weapon?

Seems like that would be a threat to whoever is standing behind him if it discharges without the trigger being pulled. 

We've talked about "low ready", that's "public dildo."

Edited April 12, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[royiv 9403]

3 hours ago, hornian said:

How about this chucklekfuck's holstered weapon?

Seems like that would be a threat to whoever is standing behind him if it discharges without the trigger being pulled. 

We were told it's never a danger. But let's just say he's got one in the chamber and the safety is off. He reaches across his body with his right hand to itch that scabies rash that has been festering on his left side. At what point is our photographer justified to start blasting our good guy with a gun in the back with his brunch Glock?

Edited April 12, 2023 by royiv

[Handcruser 2805]

We were told it's never a danger. But let's just say he's got one in the chamber and the safety is off. He reaches across his body with his right hand to itch that scabies rash that has been festering on his left side. At what point is our photographer justified to start blasting our good guy with a gun in the back with his brunch Glock?

When his hand goes on his weapon and he unholsters it is when your spidey senses go haywire.

These are pretty easy. Keep them coming.

As an “arms dealer” I can use these scenarios in discussions with my arms purchasers.

[Handcruser 2805]

You thinking the cowboys and indians in that article shot themselves and are just too embarrassed to admit they’re fucking morons?

I dont see any cowboys or Indians. Feather or dot.

[Brisketexan 105483]

16 minutes ago, royiv said:

We were told it's never a danger. But let's just say he's got one in the chamber and the safety is off. He reaches across his body with his right hand to itch that scabies rash that has been festering on his left side. At what point is our photographer justified to start blasting our good guy with a gun in the back with his brunch Glock?

You don't seem to understand.  If he was a black guy with a cell phone in his hand, he would be an "imminent threat, it looked like a gun, so I HAD to shoot him!" per trained law enforcement.  But in this case, he's a white guy, demonstrating his patriotism and celebrating his inviolable 2ndm amendment rights, which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!  So, you can't take any action against him unless and until he 1) draws the weapon, 2) clearly and audibly clicks off the safety, 3) points the gun directly at you, and 4) starts shooting you.  Only then is a white guy with a gun deemed a threat.

I could have sworn you got the memo from law enforcement.  (And yes, to take it back to this thread topic, I still think that a case could have been made and succeeded with the jury that the victim carrying his weapon at a low ready as he aggressively approached the vehicle constituted enough of an imminent threat that the shooter was justified in taking defensive action.....but we all know THAT is not the precedent that Abbott wants to set here, because if the rule is "you can shoot a white guy carrying a rifle at a low-ready and doing/saying anything REMOTELY menacing," that's not gonna work out well for his base).

4 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

When his hand goes on his weapon and he unholsters it is when your spidey senses go haywire.

Growing up around firearms, one of my clear rules was "if I can see the circle of your gun's muzzle, shit is fucked up."  I can see that guy's muzzle, pointed right at the photographer.  That's fucked up.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

7 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

When his hand goes on his weapon and he unholsters it is when your spidey senses go haywire.

These are pretty easy. Keep them coming.

As an “arms dealer” I can use these scenarios in discussions with my arms purchasers.

“Alright, now imagine you’re in a super dangerous scenario like ordering tacos from a gas station. All the sudden that motherfucker behind the counter says they’re out of carne asada.”

[royiv 9403]

7 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

When his hand goes on his weapon and he unholsters it is when your spidey senses go haywire.

These are pretty easy. Keep them coming.

As an “arms dealer” I can use these scenarios in discussions with my arms purchasers.

I was always taught in my NRA gun safety classes when growing up to treat every gun like it was loaded and ready to fire. I was also taught to never point a gun, loaded or unloaded, at another human being. Is that no longer the current school of thought in gun safety?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

16 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

I dont see any cowboys or Indians. Feather or dot.

You said it never happens, in response to an article documenting dozens of instances where it has.

 

[Handcruser 2805]

You said it never happens, in response to an article documenting dozens of instances where it has.
 

Not sure what your talking about. Send me the post.

[Handcruser 2805]

I was always taught in my NRA gun safety classes when growing up to treat every gun like it was loaded and ready to fire. I was also taught to never point a gun, loaded or unloaded, at another human being. Is that no longer the current school of thought in gun safety?

It is. I don’t like shoulder holsters. I think they’re stupid. And can be dangerous

“Alright, now imagine you’re in a super dangerous scenario like ordering tacos from a gas station. All the sudden that motherfucker behind the counter says they’re out of carne asada.”

That would be unfortunate

[Handcruser 2805]

Growing up around firearms, one of my clear rules was "if I can see the circle of your gun's muzzle, shit is fucked up."  I can see that guy's muzzle, pointed right at the photographer.  That's fucked up.

Yeah I dont like them.

[Js1 85651]

44 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

“Alright, now imagine you’re in a super dangerous scenario like ordering tacos from a gas station. All the sudden that motherfucker behind the counter says they’re out of carne asada.”

[NeverMarryAStripper 21999]

If you absolutely have to be a douchebag and open carry, it would be nice if you carried in such a way that when you inevitably have your accidental discharge, it hits you and not someone innocently standing behind you

[YGIFS 19453]

Yeah.   It’s one thing there’s no training or licensing requirement for open carry.  But we couldn’t even be bothered to have a handful of sensible rules on how you actually open carry the weapon?  You can just walk into a Fucking library with two assault rifles Pointed straight ahead or to your sides and that’s just what the founding fathers intended?  
 

I think of that asshat’s wife when he told her where they were going for brunch.  And he said “hang in sweetie, I forgot something!”  And she quietly thought “oh thank god, he’s gonna google some place nicer than gas station tacos to take me For Easter!”  But nope, he comes back, clumsily adjusting is holster and handgun ‘causE she know how fuel city tacos be hoodin’

[royiv 9403]

1 hour ago, Handcruser said:

It is. I don’t like shoulder holsters. I think they’re stupid. And can be dangerous

Glad we can agree on that. I also appreciate that it appears that you acknowledge the risk of an accidental discharge. Do you guys sell shoulder holsters?

[YGIFS 19453]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

Glad we can agree on that. I also appreciate that it appears that you acknowledge the risk of an accidental discharge. Do you guys sell shoulder holsters?

Only to actors starring in 1980’s cop movies.  And everyone else over 17

[Brisketexan 105483]

5 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Only to actors starring in 1980’s cop movies.

But it's cool, because you know they aren't going to carry them for that long, because they're two weeks away from retirement if they can just make it that far without punching their Captain in the mouth because he keeps riding their ass.

[royiv 9403]

1 hour ago, Handcruser said:

Not sure what your talking about. Send me the post.

Post #1611 just upthtread.

[fattyflattie 4639]

21 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I think of that asshat’s wife when he told her where they were going for brunch.  And he said “hang in sweetie, I forgot something!”  And she quietly thought “oh thank god, he’s gonna google some place nicer than gas station tacos to take me For Easter!”  But nope, he comes back, clumsily adjusting is holster and handgun ‘causE she know how fuel city tacos be hoodin’

Massive assumption that he’s not wearing that around the house.  

[Handcruser 2805]

Post #1611 just upthtread.

Yeah not sure what your asking.

I’m not worried about a guy with a gun in a shoulder rig.

I do think they’re stupid but the odds of it going off are astronomically low……so low I wouldn’t worry about it. But I’m around this stuff all the time.

We do not stock shoulder rigs. We get some on trade from time to time though.

There are different designs. Some better than others.

[royiv 9403]

19 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Yeah not sure what your asking.

I’m not worried about a guy with a gun in a shoulder rig.

I do think they’re stupid but the odds of it going off are astronomically low……so low I wouldn’t worry about it. But I’m around this stuff all the time.

We do not stock shoulder rigs. We get some on trade from time to time though.

There are different designs. Some better than others.

You said in that post that having a gun pointed at you was "never" a threat and later on you said that they "can be dangerous." Even your "astronomically low" doesn't equal "never" in my book. Guns are deadly.

I don't want my safety to be put at risk by some pussy ass bitch that thinks he looks cool with his open carry gun even if the odds are astronomically low that his dumbass shoots me. Why should we increase the odds of death or dismemberment just because trailer park boy wants to look cool buying brunch tacos at Fuel City?

 

[Celery Man 21022]

so if there's an astronomically low chance that a gun is going to go off, we don't need to defend ourselves

[royiv 9403]

3 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

so if there's an astronomically low chance that a gun is going to go off, we don't need to defend ourselves

For safety, since guns de-escalate conflict, we should all go around with shoulder mounted guns pointed at center mass of everyone we encounter during the day.

[YGIFS 19453]

The most heavily armed group of people, per capita, are Latin American drug cartels.  On average, each member is carrying 1.5-2.0 weapons each.  So they must be the safest, right?  If more guns are the answer to more guns.  Just using the local logic.

[BabaYaga 15332]

22 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

You thinking the cowboys and indians in that article shot themselves and are just too embarrassed to admit they’re fucking morons?

Yes

16 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Just using the local logic.

You sure about that...

[YGIFS 19453]

I am sure about the maths.  Am I sure that 35% of this country is capable of logic?  Absolutely fucking not, you got me there.

[Handcruser 2805]

You said in that post that having a gun pointed at you was "never" a threat and later on you said that they "can be dangerous." Even your "astronomically low" doesn't equal "never" in my book. Guns are deadly.
I don't want my safety to be put at risk by some pussy ass bitch that thinks he looks cool with his open carry gun even if the odds are astronomically low that his dumbass shoots me. Why should we increase the odds of death or dismemberment just because trailer park boy wants to look cool buying brunch tacos at Fuel City?
 

Hmmmm.

Yes, I do not think that gun In that holster poses a threat to me. For several reasons.

However, that does not mean that I like shoulder rigs, as I have stated above. Clearly. They can be dangerous, for several reasons.

Both can be true.

That’s my position. Take it or leave it.

[Bozo_Casanova 26614]

Fuel City is delicious

[YGIFS 19453]

that's just what your mom said when i was filling up her tank. 

[Brisketexan 105483]

15 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fuel City is delicious

This just proves that you're the kind of asshole who would be just fine eating at the Chili Parlor when they are out of chili.

[ztejas 43608]

Yeah y’all need to tone down the fuel city hate. They make some solid tacos.

[royiv 9403]

40 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Hmmmm.

Yes, I do not think that gun In that holster poses a threat to me. For several reasons.

However, that does not mean that I like shoulder rigs, as I have stated above. Clearly. They can be dangerous, for several reasons.

Both can be true.

That’s my position. Take it or leave it.

I guess I just had it ingrained in me by my grandfather (pretty much lifetime NRA member that would roll over in his grave if he saw what has happened to that organization) that you don't the barrel of a gun at something unless you want to kill it. Accidents happen and they can be deadly. I'd just rather not be on the killy side of a gun unless I've cleared it myself for cleaning. 

[Handcruser 2805]

I guess I just had it ingrained in me by my grandfather (pretty much lifetime NRA member that would roll over in his grave if he saw what has happened to that organization) that you don't the barrel of a gun at something unless you want to kill it. Accidents happen and they can be deadly.

Agreed.

I still dont like them.

I’m still not worried about that gun in that holster on that guy.

[TKthunder2 5012]

On 4/11/2023 at 4:09 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

This seems relevant.

At one point is your holstered weapon pointed directly at me a threat to my life?

Any cowboys or indians care to chime in?

So this guy was putting his gun in his pants while cocked (ready to fire) and with one already in the chamber. That’s pretty stupid.

[conVINCEd 21474]

1 hour ago, Handcruser said:

 

Agreed.

I still dont like them.

I’m still not worried about that gun in that holster on that guy.

 

While not terrified for my life, I am shifting my position in line to where I am not in the direct line of fire right behind him.  Fuck that guy for making me do that.  I hope he shoots his tiny dick off while exercising his rights.

[Saint Tacky 1622]

On 4/11/2023 at 4:18 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Sorry, but making sure a handgun doesn't fire itself is a violation of the 2nd amendment

Hell, SCOTUS has already concluded that corporations are “persons” within the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. What are the odds of the Court fashioning an argument that firearms (any firearm) are excluded from legislative restrictions and/or oversight altogether under the Second Amendment? 

15 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

While not terrified for my life, I am shifting my position in line to where I am not in the direct line of fire right behind him.  Fuck that guy for making me do that.  I hope he shoots his tiny dick off while exercising his rights.

"The Pacific." Gunny on the Firing Range

One of my favorite scenes from "The Pacific."