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[bad_teammate 13195]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

Easy for you to say in the safety and comfort of living in Piney Point Village protected by the Memorial Villages PD. Give me a fucking break. I’m with @Hate. I’m about to buy my first handgun and will be taking a CHL course to get licensed as a result of all of this nonsense.

Easy for anyone to say in 99.99999999% of the occupied areas in the United States.

How much protester-related violence has been done within 1/2 mile of your residence?

[Captainant 27664]

3 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Easy for you to say in the safety and comfort of living in Piney Point Village protected by the Memorial Villages PD. Give me a fucking break. I’m with @Hate. I’m about to buy my first handgun and will be taking a CHL course to get licensed as a result of all of this nonsense.

Be careful not to shoot any immigrants

[boknowstecmo 216]

5 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

You really should watch Fox News.  America is under attack by socialist Marxist communist transvestites destroying the fabric of society.  Never mind the rich guy picking your pocket.

Don't forget about the Gypsies.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Easy for anyone to say in 99.99999999% of the occupied areas in the United States.

How much protester-related violence has been done within 1/2 mile of your residence?

My opinion from the video we have, the light on the street where he turned onto was poor. I think he got caught in the middle of a throng. Look at the video posted of the car stopped on a bridge in DC. The possibility of being trapped by these fuckers is real. @Cajun’s sweet pistol car holster setup is something I will be looking to install as well.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

My opinion from the video we have, the light on the street where he turned onto was poor. I think he got caught in the middle of a throng. Look at the video posted of the car stopped on a bridge in DC. The possibility of being trapped by these fuckers is real. @Cajun’s sweet pistol car holster setup is something I will be looking to install as well.

Has anyone stuck in traffic during a protest been hurt by protesters?

[Deej 76776]

19 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Carrying a gun because you're afraid you'll be put in a dangerous situation because of a protester is not a calm, rational choice based made on actual probabilities. It's an irrational fear response.

Shame you didn't have a chance to tell that to Garrett Foster. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

I know. He might be alive today if he wasn't running around with a fucking AK for extremely vague reasons like, "uhh freedom I guess?"

[bad_teammate 13195]

One common tactic police forces use is to use chemical weapons against American citizens. 

 

[Cajun 11705]

43 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Has anyone stuck in traffic during a protest been hurt by protesters?

I think most of them took Bill Hick's advice to heart.

Reginald Denny didn't get his head bashed in by chunks of concrete in vain, I guess.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Cajun

[bad_teammate 13195]

So that's a "no", thanks.

Just angry, scared guys living out murder fantasies in their minds.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 hour ago, boknowstecmo said:

Don't forget about the Gypsies.

Oh I dont, flying monkeys scared the shit out of those boomers.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

37 minutes ago, Cajun said:

I think most of them took Bill Hick's advice to heart.

Reginald Denny didn't get his head bashed in by chunks of concrete in vain, I guess.

Rinse and repeat, Cajun.  Just think if he was blek.  To quote you.   

[Victor Lazlo 1776]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Has anyone stuck in traffic during a protest been hurt by protesters?

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/6/30/21308526/gunman-shot-driver-then-hid-weapon-continued-protest-provo-police-say-blm

PROVO — Two people were arrested Tuesday night in connection with the shooting of a motorist during a protest near the Provo Police Department the night before.

The victim, a 60-year-old Provo resident, remained hospitalized Tuesday but was “stable,” according to police. The man was not part of the protest or counterprotest that had been going on, but was just driving in the area, said Provo Police Sgt. Nisha King.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, Victor Lazlo said:

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/6/30/21308526/gunman-shot-driver-then-hid-weapon-continued-protest-provo-police-say-blm

PROVO — Two people were arrested Tuesday night in connection with the shooting of a motorist during a protest near the Provo Police Department the night before.

The victim, a 60-year-old Provo resident, remained hospitalized Tuesday but was “stable,” according to police. The man was not part of the protest or counterprotest that had been going on, but was just driving in the area, said Provo Police Sgt. Nisha King.

Sounds totally anecdotal to me so sorry it doesn't count....

[Incredulity 11670]

Those are three names I enjoy; Marvin, Velma, and Provo

[workswithseed 2103]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Carrying a gun because you're afraid you'll be put in a dangerous situation because of a protester is not a calm, rational choice based made on actual probabilities. It's an irrational fear response.

I've been thinking if I should go back with the shirt I show brisket, and see what happens.

[bad_teammate 13195]

The driver who was killed in Provo was driving his massive SUV through protesters in an occupied intersection.

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A group protesting police brutality had gathered at the intersection of University Avenue and Center Street on Monday evening, according to Lt. Brian Taylor of the Provo Police Department, and a second group arrived to express their support for police. Shortly after 8:30 p.m., protesters were in the street, blocking cars, when a large, white SUV heading south on University Avenue pushed its way through a crowd of protesters, knocking several of them aside.

In a video circulating on social media, the SUV can be seen pushing protesters out of the way as it moves forward, and a loud pop can be heard. According to Taylor, the driver of the SUV — a man in his 60s — was shot.
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You can very clearly see the guy driving into pedestrians before the shots are fired.

[edit]

I don't condone the behavior of either the driver or the shooter. Just like with the AK-toter in Austin, if you play stupid games you might win stupid prizes.

This story does not fit the idea of a driver being injured by protesters merely for being stuck in traffic during a protest. The count there still seems to be 0.

Edited July 30, 2020 by bad_teammate

[Steel Shank 9425]

2 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

My opinion from the video we have, the light on the street where he turned onto was poor. I think he got caught in the middle of a throng. Look at the video posted of the car stopped on a bridge in DC. The possibility of being trapped by these fuckers is real. @Cajun’s sweet pistol car holster setup is something I will be looking to install as well.

@Cajun, can we get another pic of your set-up? I went back looking, but came up empty. Thanks.

[Buzzrock 14920]

How’s this for fuckin TACTICS

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

So that's a "no", thanks.

Just angry, scared guys living out murder fantasies in their minds.

Actually, that's not a no.

But you do you.

[Cajun 11705]

12 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

@Cajun, can we get another pic of your set-up? I went back looking, but came up empty. Thanks.

Not mine.  I was just tagging onto Brat's post about keeping "things" close when driving and went to the Googles.  I think a significant number of CHL holders (or whatever they call 'em these days) have something along these lines...

 

 

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Rinse and repeat, Cajun.  Just think if he was blek.  To quote you.   

I wondered how long it'd take.

[bad_teammate 13195]

15 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Actually, that's not a no.

But you do you.

Can you give me an example of a driver sitting in a car during a protest being injured by protesters while just sitting there?

We know that people have been hurt driving into protesters or getting out of the car or otherwise starting fights/argument, but if we are going to make a little show here of our products designed for "self-defense", I'm trying to get my head around the statistic and rational reality of the nature of the threat against which we are "defending" ourselves. I know of zero cases of protesters hurting drivers who were merely sitting in stuck traffic.

If there are cases of that happening, especially if those cases are numerous and geographically close to those who think deadly weapons will provide protection.

Since I know of zero I cannot help but draw the conclusion that the desire to combat an apparently non-existent problem with guns is an emotional reaction rather than a rational decision.

[Cajun 11705]

My point, bt, is that since the Reginal Denny days, when he was pulled from his truck and bashed over the head with chunks of concrete without starting a fight himself, people are not sitting around waiting for the mob to do that to them.  They are hitting the gas, and, therefore you aren't seeing a bunch getting pummeled ala Reggie D.  

And, yes, some are arming up and that takes the bag of shit to a whole 'nother level.

If you paid any attention whatsoever and took just a tiny break from running your narratives it would dawn on you that I am not a fan of the whole gun/driver/protest thing.

 

[Incredulity 11670]

19 minutes ago, Cajun said:

 

If you paid any attention whatsoever and took just a tiny break from running your narratives it would dawn on you that I am not a fan of the whole gun/driver/protest thing.

 

[yoladu 4094]

 

On 7/26/2020 at 8:15 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

How is this not going to be political since the protests and responses are political in nature?

 

On 7/26/2020 at 11:12 AM, Incredulity said:

Just factual reporting of events.

Not that hard.

 

On 7/26/2020 at 11:19 AM, deadshank said:

Keep the “who’s right and who’s wrong and here’s why because my side is better than your side” out of it and merely show what people are doing?

Got it!! A whole hellavalot of people are doing this right now. Please dont make it political! 

[workswithseed 2103]

3 minutes ago, yoladu said:

 

 

 

Got it!! A whole hellavalot of people are doing this right now. Please dont make it political! 

Are you asking to make bbq political?

[Incredulity 11670]

Kebabs...pffft!

The Huns were Facists.

[yoladu 4094]

8 hours ago, Incredulity said:

So, Portland and Federal Government have reached agreement on "phased withdrawl" of Federal Officers.  Should be interesting.

a local goverment negotiating a cease fire with the federal government.

What a time to be alive.

 

[yoladu 4094]

9 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Are you asking to make bbq political?

nope! merely showing what people are doing. Just factual reporting of events.

Edited July 30, 2020 by yoladu

[Cajun 11705]

9 minutes ago, yoladu said:

 

 

 

Got it!! A whole hellavalot of people are doing this right now. Please dont make it political! 

Using the jt method for the Q top to bottom: 3,4,6,8,2,5,7,1,9

[Hate 20108]

I'll be BBQing this weekend. 

 

Edit: and BT, there have been no protests anywhere near me.  I live in the suburbs of Houston and I doubt very seriously there will be any riots or protest near me.  Now, there has been evidence of some demonstrations that have happened in some areas where you wouldn't normally suspect them...meaning outside of the downtown area or obvious focal points for demonstrations (the Capitol Building for example).  I work from home and pretty much go to the liquor store, HEB, and a golf course.  I would think my chances of unknowingly turning into a riot or protest are virtually nil.  But that could change.  If I were to get a new job that required me to work near a place that might be the focal point for a protest or riot, then I would absolutely be carrying something with me at all times.  And I don't watch Foxnews, Judge.  I rarely watch any news at all outside of the weather. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Hate

[krevo 142]

So what is the old guy driving down the road supposed to do when his car is swarmed by protesters (now carrying guns?)

 

Keep driving and run people over?  Stop, get out and start protesting with them?  Serious question though.  I'm trying not to get shot for trying to drive somewhere.  If I start driving in order to get to my destination with my car surrounded by protesters - should be I shot for it?   

I'm guessing most people would just try to keep driving (and now get shot for it because there are "pedestrians" banging on their car.)

Edited July 30, 2020 by krevo

[Stinkpalm 687]

6 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

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Who are "good cops who will speak up"? Where are they? Are you contending that 99.999% of cops now are "bad cops" because they virtually never stop each other or testify against each other?

It's insane.

Please tell me the logistics of how we would "flood the agencies" with "good cops"? We have 800k LEOs right now, and you're contending that virtually all of them are bad because they don't snitch on their fellows, so to FLOOD that 800k we'd need them outnumbered at least 3:1, right? We need to hire 2.4M new cops and EVERY SINGLE ONE has to be willing to snitch their partners out?

 

Dude, are you drunk? I’m literally going off of your own words that “it’s structurally impossible to be a good cop when a bad cop is around”.  I’m not brisket. I believe there are still plenty of good cops out there. I’m turning your own belief back on you to understand how you can possibly believe that an outspoken, constitution-abiding person becoming a cop or DA can’t possibly effect any kind of change and that to propose that idea must be a joke. 
 

I don’t agree with your statement. So I continue to ask YOU specifically, that if YOU were to become a cop, that by your own words YOU would not speak up when another cop does something wrong? As I said earlier in a post, there are absolutely instances where good cops report bad cops, but those don’t make the news. But your own statement was that it was structurally impossible. Meaning you believe that even if YOU became a cop, you’d tuck your tail between your legs and not speak up. Which apparently is why you think it must be a joke that someone believes that good people signing up to be cops could further the cause for change. 
 

and yes, I absolutely would hope that every new hire as a cop is a person who is not afraid to speak up or snitch out a bad cop before they have a chance to beat/murder someone. I’m not seeing how you don’t believe that more of these types of cops in the ranks would be good for society. 
 

you’d apparently rather just cry and fuss on the Internet that something needs to change rather than do something useful to actually be a part of the change that you’re wanting. 

[yoladu 4094]

30 minutes ago, krevo said:

So what is the old guy driving down the road supposed to do when his car is swarmed by protesters (now carrying guns?)

 

Keep driving and run people over?  Stop, get out and start protesting with them?  Serious question though.  I'm trying not to get shot for trying to drive somewhere.  If I start driving in order to get to my destination with my car surrounded by protesters - should be I shot for it?   

I'm guessing most people would just try to keep driving (and now get shot for it because there are "pedestrians" banging on their car.)

Probably do what drivers do on San Jacinto at the end of football games. Proceed very, very slowly. It's not too difficult if you are not an asshole.

Firearms not needed.

Edited July 30, 2020 by yoladu

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 hour ago, Cajun said:

I wondered how long it'd take.

I was repeating your words, friend.   Don’t like it, don’t post it.  Also, nice pea shooter, to keep you safe from the non-Reginald Denny’s.  You didn’t say that either, but that’s what you meant .  Peas .  

[Bash Riprock 1695]

I want to say thanks to @bad_teammate for having a civil discussion.

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 hour ago, Stinkpalm said:

Dude, are you drunk? I’m literally going off of your own words that “it’s structurally impossible to be a good cop when a bad cop is around”.  I’m not brisket. I believe there are still plenty of good cops out there. I’m turning your own belief back on you to understand how you can possibly believe that an outspoken, constitution-abiding person becoming a cop or DA can’t possibly effect any kind of change and that to propose that idea must be a joke. 
 

I don’t agree with your statement. So I continue to ask YOU specifically, that if YOU were to become a cop, that by your own words YOU would not speak up when another cop does something wrong? As I said earlier in a post, there are absolutely instances where good cops report bad cops, but those don’t make the news. But your own statement was that it was structurally impossible. Meaning you believe that even if YOU became a cop, you’d tuck your tail between your legs and not speak up. Which apparently is why you think it must be a joke that someone believes that good people signing up to be cops could further the cause for change. 
 

and yes, I absolutely would hope that every new hire as a cop is a person who is not afraid to speak up or snitch out a bad cop before they have a chance to beat/murder someone. I’m not seeing how you don’t believe that more of these types of cops in the ranks would be good for society. 
 

you’d apparently rather just cry and fuss on the Internet that something needs to change rather than do something useful to actually be a part of the change that you’re wanting. 

Here’s the thing, you totally whiffed by dismissing “structurally impossible”. It is “structurally impossible” to be a good cop when the whole thing is run by bad cops, the union, the department, the entire fucking justice system who has made it plain as fucking day their mission is to protect and serve their bosses and themselves, not the public.  Change starts at the top in this case, not the bottom.  And when the top flaunts the fact they are above the law, and not accountable to jack shit on a daily basis, this is what happens, Larry. If you want meaningful change,  elect leadership.  We are a rudderless flotilla of every man for himself at the moment, and that shit needs to get fixed post haste.

[Stinkpalm 687]

5 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Here’s the thing, you totally whiffed by dismissing “structurally impossible”. It is “structurally impossible” to be a good cop when the whole thing is run by bad cops, the union, the department, the entire fucking justice system who has made it plain as fucking day their mission is to protect and serve their bosses and themselves, not the public.  Change starts at the top in this case, not the bottom.  And when the top flaunts the fact they are above the law, and not accountable to jack shit on a daily basis, this is what happens, Larry. If you want meaningful change,  elect leadership.  We are a rudderless flotilla of every man for himself at the moment, and that shit needs to get fixed post haste.

I agree that it’s not just one thing. It’s obviously multi-faceted. But badteamate laughed at most all of the things you just listed, when brothahorn suggested that if the outspoken people demanding change want change, they should get into those professions and be the change. 
 

and I disagree that it’s “structurally impossible.” Are there cases where it is? Sure. Are there cases where it is not? Again, yes. We are talking about a profession with thousands of agencies strewn across a massive country that varies culturally and politically in every region/state/city/town. But let’s focus on just LE agencies for a second. if one is determined to be corrupt, change WOULD likely come from the bottom (unless you know of a non-elected position where joe blow off the streets can immediately step in as a police chief or supervisor), albeit slower than most would prefer. Again, it’s not a bubble and is multi-faceted, but the old guard at the top will eventually retire/get fired, and those at the bottom promote up. Don’t we want an abundance of good cops at the bottom who will continue to promote up as their careers progress and the ones at the top retire?

 

Change doesn’t just come from the top. It also comes from encouraging good-hearted, constitution-abiding citizens to be the change they are wanting, which means working their way up from the bottom. Get enough of those individuals in the ranks and you’ve got good odds that some of them will find their way to the top. Do that while electing officials that you believe also want to effect that change and you may have something. Do all that and nothing changes? You’ll at least still have an influx of good cops that believe they can make a difference at a personal level, With their interactions with each civilian they encounter on the streets  they patrol. Your belief that it’s structurally impossible to be a good cop is a big whiff because it assumes that every single cop in this entire country has decided that because there are corrupt elected officials and supervisors above them, that they can’t make a difference in their own community with the individuals they interact with daily, and instead give up and become a bad cop because “why not?” Surely you don’t believe that...

 

Saying that it’s structurally impossible is talking in absolutes, which is why it’s inherently false. I will completely agree that unions needed to go a long time ago, though. So we can agree on something 

[Enchubben 5510]

More peaceful non violent strategies of protestors. 

[Mole 4333]

5 hours ago, krevo said:

So what is the old guy driving down the road supposed to do when his car is swarmed by protesters (now carrying guns?)

 

Keep driving and run people over?  Stop, get out and start protesting with them?  Serious question though.  I'm trying not to get shot for trying to drive somewhere.  If I start driving in order to get to my destination with my car surrounded by protesters - should be I shot for it?   

I'm guessing most people would just try to keep driving (and now get shot for it because there are "pedestrians" banging on their car.)

Just practically speaking, in order from best to worst:

1. Pick a different route ahead of time and simply stay out of the protest area. The best kind of road rage is the kind that happens far away from me.

2. If a protest materializes right in front of you, as they apparently often do, find a quick detour. Obey traffic laws, keep your eyes out for people walking at unusual angles, find a reasonable way out, and generally don’t be insane. 

3. If you’re stuck, wait patiently, proceed slowly like a normal person would, and turn on some music (Rage Against the Machine if you’re surrounded by BLM and Lee Greenwood if they’re Blue Lives Matter folks). Unless it’s an anti-car protest, the protesters have no idea whether or not you secretly love or hate them.

4. If a confrontation starts, deescalate like a normal person. If you picked the right tunes above, they’ll think you’re on their side anyway. Depending on the protest, a well placed comment in support of defunding the police or backing the blue should be enough to blend in

5. Tell them you heard the car behind you use a slur. 

6. Use your car as a weapon. 

7. Start waiving and shooting your firearm that you usually keep pointed at the gas pedal. Then drive away quickly.

[Cajun 11705]

7 hours ago, yoladu said:

Probably do what drivers do on San Jacinto at the end of football games. Proceed very, very slowly. It's not too difficult if you are not an asshole.

Firearms not needed.

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Columbus police Wednesday afternoon released

On the evening of May 31, Eldon Hawkins unwittingly drove his burgundy 2010 Buick LaCrosse sedan into the heart of a protest at Broad and High streets and unleashed a furious response.

Hawkins, 58, who has cerebral palsy, said he was left shaken by the experience, and damage to his car topped $8,000. He spoke about what happened during Monday’s Columbus City Council meeting.

Columbus police on Wednesday afternoon released a compilation of videos of the incident, which occurred around 7 p.m. Police are asking for help in identifying who might have been involved.

As Hawkins remembers it, he was driving east on Broad Street to his Downtown apartment after visiting an Arby’s restaurant in Franklinton.

The video shows that he had passed High Street and was blocked. He backed his vehicle up at a low speed and struck a person on a bicycle with his back bumper.

That triggered a rapid angry response from protesters, who swarmed the car.

“They threw a bicycle on my windshield and started kicking my doors and windows. It scared the life out of me,” Hawkins said.

In the video, people can be seen jumping onto the Buick and kicking at and then opening the doors. The trunk popped open, and some people started tossing the contents.

Hawkins said there were “some nice people who came and pulled me out of the car” and took him to the curb.

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200708/protesters-turned-on-man-in-car

Because ALL of these protests are juuuuust like crowds leaving DKR.  And now handicapped drivers are assholes.

Wow.

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Cajun

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Yeah you can't plan your route, which is BS anyway. I literally missed being caught behind protesters blocking a bridge Richmond, Va.  by maybe 5-6 minutes. I went to my printers, and as I came back across the same bridge, in the opposite direction there were protesters blocking the roadway.  This was in the middle of the day.

 

BT you have no life based in reality.  People have been caught up in them, and have been terrified for their lives, and that's BS in and of itself. 

[Captainant 27664]

Looks like pre-crime policing is hitting Omaha

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/935zg8/police-arrested-120-anti-racism-protesters-in-omaha-and-barely-anyones-talking-about-it

Police officers wearing riot gear corralled anti-racism protesters in Omaha, Nebraska, onto a highway overpass over the weekend, blocked both exits, and fired pepper balls into the crowd, according to videos taken of the peaceful demonstration and organizers who spoke to VICE News.

Approximately 120 protesters were then zip-tied and arrested, primarily on charges of failure to disperse or obstructing traffic, although a few also received other charges like resisting arrest or unlawful assembly, according to a police spokesperson.

...

“It was as peaceful as you could imagine,” said Riley Wilson, a legal observer at the protest, who was clearly identified but detained for about 22 hours on charges of failure to disperse and obstruction of a traffic way. “There was absolutely no violence, no property damage, no vandalism,  no fires.”

...

Another protester, who was arrested and jailed Saturday, 28-year-old Cole Christensen, shared a photo of the welts from his pepper ball wounds on Facebook; he was shot while standing near Vondrasek. He told VICE News he had asked police officers multiple times why they were arresting people on the bridge, before being slammed to the ground and zip-tied himself.

He was charged with resisting arrest, obstructing a peace officer, obstructing the highway, and failure to disperse. While he was in jail, he said one correctional officer took photos of him on his cell phone and mocked him for his effeminate voice.

...

Omaha Police Capt. Mark Matuza told the Omaha World-Herald that the protest was stopped because it “leaned toward the potential of getting violent,” but the Omaha Police Department did not respond to a request for comment as to what led them to believe that potential existed.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Looks like pre-crime policing is hitting Omaha

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/935zg8/police-arrested-120-anti-racism-protesters-in-omaha-and-barely-anyones-talking-about-it

Police officers wearing riot gear corralled anti-racism protesters in Omaha, Nebraska, onto a highway overpass over the weekend, blocked both exits, and fired pepper balls into the crowd, according to videos taken of the peaceful demonstration and organizers who spoke to VICE News.

Approximately 120 protesters were then zip-tied and arrested, primarily on charges of failure to disperse or obstructing traffic, although a few also received other charges like resisting arrest or unlawful assembly, according to a police spokesperson.

...

“It was as peaceful as you could imagine,” said Riley Wilson, a legal observer at the protest, who was clearly identified but detained for about 22 hours on charges of failure to disperse and obstruction of a traffic way. “There was absolutely no violence, no property damage, no vandalism,  no fires.”

...

Another protester, who was arrested and jailed Saturday, 28-year-old Cole Christensen, shared a photo of the welts from his pepper ball wounds on Facebook; he was shot while standing near Vondrasek. He told VICE News he had asked police officers multiple times why they were arresting people on the bridge, before being slammed to the ground and zip-tied himself.

He was charged with resisting arrest, obstructing a peace officer, obstructing the highway, and failure to disperse. While he was in jail, he said one correctional officer took photos of him on his cell phone and mocked him for his effeminate voice.

...

Omaha Police Capt. Mark Matuza told the Omaha World-Herald that the protest was stopped because it “leaned toward the potential of getting violent,” but the Omaha Police Department did not respond to a request for comment as to what led them to believe that potential existed.

Yeah sorry, nothing peaceful about people blocking roadways, Fuck that noise. You're actually detaining people against their will when you do that. kidnapping could maybe be the legal term.  Once you force people to be part of your protest it's not peaceful.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[Armybrat 40842]

28 minutes ago, Cajun said:

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200708/protesters-turned-on-man-in-car

Because ALL of these protests are juuuuust like crowds leaving DKR.  And now handicapped drivers are assholes.

Wow.

 

My 27 year old grandson has CP, so that hits very close.

Fucking mobs.

[Captainant 27664]

5 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah sorry, nothing peaceful about people blocking roadways, Fuck that noise. You're actually detaining people against their will when you do that. kidnapping could maybe be the legal term.  Once you force people to be part of your protest it's not peaceful.

The police did not think it was violent, and they did not cite that as a reason for preemptively arresting. He explicitly said "it had the potential to become violent", and therefore they encircled the protesters into a cauldron

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The police did not think it was violent, and they did not cite that as a reason for preemptively arresting. He explicitly said "it had the potential to become violent", and therefore they encircled the protesters into a cauldron

Sorry, but if you block roadways, and impede traffic, and peoples free right of way you are creating a dangerous situation.  It has the potential to become dangerous has pretty much been established when people block roadways with people in 2.5 ton vehicles.  It's complete BS, and they deserve the non lethal retaliation they may get.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

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17 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah sorry, nothing peaceful about people blocking roadways, Fuck that noise. You're actually detaining people against their will when you do that. kidnapping could maybe be the legal term.  Once you force people to be part of your protest it's not peaceful.

If a protest doesn't cause some disruption such that others are forced to take notice, then it serves no purpose. Saying that others can protest only so long as it is in some corner so that you never see or hear it isn't allowing them to protest at all. 

That said, I'm not saying there should be no consequence if protests violate the law, even if done so peacefully. But I do think it's important to consider the purpose of protests, which is in part getting others to notice a cause/issues that they may not normally think about. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Dahobbs

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7 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

If a protest doesn't cause some disruption such that others are forced to take notice, then it serves no purpose. Saying that others can protest only so long as it is in some corner so that you never see or hear it isn't allowing them to protest at all. 

Walking on the street usually gives one plenty of avenues to avoid a protest. So I'd agree with your comment. In a car your choices are limited to very few avenues, and you're creating a situation that can escalate quickly, and dangerously. You're holding people captive against their will. THAT is not protest, that is an act of terror.

Making someone become part of your protest against their will is BS. It's happening in my city. I have clients who won't come to my studio now because of the vandalism this past weekend, and last month.  

Edited July 30, 2020 by Onboard 2.0