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[bad_teammate 13132]

30 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Did you not bother to look at the half-dozen or so videos already posted?

Yes, and each one of those is a case of someone either driving into protesters (tanker, Provo) or otherwise starting a fight by getting out of their cars.

30 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

These drivers didn't attack and try and strike anyone protesting. 

Lying isn't going to help your case. It just makes people distrust your overall point because you're being extremely dishonest in getting there.

Be honest so we can have a productive conversation. Lying is unproductive.

 

Also, I don't know if you're a man of faith, but lying is a sin. 

[BabaYaga 15210]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yes, and each one of those is a case of someone either driving into protesters (tanker, Provo) or otherwise starting a fight by getting out of their cars.

Lying isn't going to help your case. It just makes people distrust your overall point because you're being extremely dishonest in getting there.

Be honest so we can have a productive conversation. Lying is unproductive.

 

Also, I don't know if you're a man of faith, but lying is a sin. 

Lying.  LOL  The irony here is remarkable.  Watch the entire incident.  The truck stopped.  He was returning from a fuel run.  There were no warnings up the road that the road was blocked.  Was mobbed, the driver panicked and accelerated out (and over) some of the crowd.  He was just released.  NO charges for any in the crowd.  Also no charges for the driver.  There is no way you are proving intent here.  The state may well try to drag this out and try and pin something on him, their only recourse that he veered right (as many drivers do when stopping to get out of the road).  

 

[elfenix 34171]

edit: apparently MN DoT doesn't do a particularly good job of closing freeways

Edited July 31, 2020 by elfenix

[BabaYaga 15210]

2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

minneapolis tanker drove onto a closed freeway. not sure why you choose to lie about that.

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State Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington said Monday that the driver was speeding and "panicked, and he just kept barreling forward" but did not breach any barriers put up to protect the protesters and was not aiming for anyone.

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

20 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Lying.  LOL  The irony here is remarkable.  Watch the entire incident.  The truck stopped.  He was returning from a fuel run.  There were no warnings up the road that the road was blocked.  Was mobbed, the driver panicked and accelerated out (and over) some of the crowd.  He was just released.  NO charges for any in the crowd.  Also no charges for the driver.  There is no way you are proving intent here.  The state may well try to drag this out and try and pin something on him, their only recourse that he veered right (as many drivers do when stopping to get out of the road). 

Who said anything about "intent"? The truck did not see the crowd and stop and wait, it drove towards/into the crowd. Your attempt to go into "intent" is an attempt to avoid the obvious reality of your dishonesty by reframing it.

So again, who has been injured by protesters while sitting and waiting passively for the traffic to clear?

[elfenix 34171]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

 

sorry, the freeway was closed at 5 pm and i thought that meant, well, closed.  like, cop cars across entryways and directing traffic off the highway.  that was not the case.  i apologize for calling you a liar.

 

you'd yell at your wife if she drove like this, regardless of what was coming up:

(half a mile to go)

(quarter mile to go)

 

maybe it's the camera angle but it really looks like he sped up in the second gif

Edited July 31, 2020 by elfenix

[bad_teammate 13132]

The dude either wanted to teach the protesters a lesson or is a complete fucking moron who shouldn't be allowed to drive. Either way, speeding a giant truck towards a ton of protesters on a closed highway is not sitting passively in traffic.

And if you're a protester on a closed highway with a giant truck coming at you and your friends, the difference between a moron and a psycho with murderous intent is 0.

 

[Rougarou 594]

18 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The dude either wanted to teach the protesters a lesson or is a complete fucking moron who shouldn't be allowed to drive. Either way, speeding a giant truck towards a ton of protesters on a closed highway is not sitting passively in traffic.

And if you're a protester on a closed highway with a giant truck coming at you and your friends, the difference between a moron and a psycho with murderous intent is 0.

 

Agree. But what exactly is the point of view you've tried to take her the last couple of pages? Tell me if I've summed it up right,

"Because nobody can link a youtube video of someone being beaten up by protesters and rioters while they sat in their car, that means it's actually never happened and sitting in a car amongst protesters and rioters, whether they are damaging property or not, whether they are totting semi-automatic weapons at the ready position or not, does not mean you are in a reasonable state of threat or danger and you should feel like a coward or a wuss for not only panicking, but also if you have a heightened sense of stress or fear or confusion."

Edited July 31, 2020 by Rougarou

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 hour ago, Rougarou said:

Agree. But what exactly is the point of view you've tried to take her the last couple of pages? Tell me if I've summed it up right,

"Because nobody can link a youtube video of someone being beaten up by protesters and rioters while they sat in their car, that means it's actually never happened and sitting in a car amongst protesters and rioters, whether they are damaging property or not, whether they are totting semi-automatic weapons at the ready position or not, does not mean you are in a reasonable state of threat or danger and you should feel like a coward or a wuss for not only panicking, but also if you have a heightened sense of stress or fear or confusion."

If you decide to carry a weapon to protect yourself against something happening that you cannot name an instance of, you are doing so out of irrational fear. And it is your right to act out of irrational fear, but be an honest person and own the fact that your decision-making is fear-based and irrational.

"Coward" and "wuss" are emotional terms you are putting in my mouth to create an argument/fight on the Internet. A huge problem with using emotional words like that is that they deactivate reasonable thinking and discussion.

I think it's dangerous for people to own, carry, and brandish weapons based on fears in general, and it's ESPECIALLY dangerous when those fears are irrational.

[Rougarou 594]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

If you decide to carry a weapon to protect yourself against something happening that you cannot name an instance of, you are doing so out of irrational fear. And it is your right to act out of irrational fear, but be an honest person and own the fact that your decision-making is fear-based and irrational.

"Coward" and "wuss" are emotional terms you are putting in my mouth to create an argument/fight on the Internet. A huge problem with using emotional words like that is that they deactivate reasonable thinking and discussion.

I think it's dangerous for people to own, carry, and brandish weapons based on fears in general, and it's ESPECIALLY dangerous when those fears are irrational.

Fair enough; I redact the words "coward" and "wuss" and let the record reflect that accordingly.

I also will concede you have a strong point that if you cannot name an instance, you are doing so out of an irrational fear.

But, I think there could be some nuance there. I think one could be prescient or forecasting or hypothesizing or hazarding a guess at what, previously undocumented or untried, a new flavor or brand of threat could be, based on a new set of variables and stimuli coexisting in a specific beaker that's never been mixed before, and I don't necessarily think that is irrational.

Or, if it is technically irrational, it's only irrational until the first time it happens and you are ready for it. After that you are a genius or visionary and everyone gets 20/20 Monday Morning Quarterback hindsight and crows about "why did we not see this was the inevitability when you mix A with B and C in Z?!?"

Edited August 1, 2020 by Rougarou

[Enchubben 5509]

5 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Yes, and each one of those is a case of someone either driving into protesters (tanker, Provo) or otherwise starting a fight by getting out of their cars.

Lying isn't going to help your case. It just makes people distrust your overall point because you're being extremely dishonest in getting there.

Be honest so we can have a productive conversation. Lying is unproductive.

 

Also, I don't know if you're a man of faith, but lying is a sin. 

You lied about the amount of violence in the Portland riots. You were dishonest and I distrust your points.

Also, blocking the street and trapping drivers and cars is a-ok, but getting out of your car when blocked by said protest is grounds for a fight?

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 minute ago, Rougarou said:

But, I think there could be some nuance there. I think one could be prescient or forecasting or hypothesizing or hazarding a guess at what, previously undocumented or untried, a new flavor or brand of threat could be, based on a new set of variables and stimuli coexisting in a specific beaker that's never been mixed before, and I don't necessarily think that is irrational.

On what would we base the idea of anti-racist protesters pulling people out of their cars to assault them when the people were just sitting there waiting passively? That has to come from somewhere to be a rational deduction.

I can use my imagination to get there, sure, but I can use my imagination to get anywhere.

A rational deduction would be, "since anti-racist protesters have been violent towards bystanders in X, Y, and Z circumstances, then it's logical to presume that they will eventually be violent in V(ehicle) circumstance."

The problem there is that anti-racist protesters have NOT been violent towards bystanders. So we're left with where we were, which is irrational fear.

1 minute ago, Enchubben said:

You lied about the amount of violence in the Portland riots.

I said the Portland protests were non-violent; which is true, they are non-violent and they have been non-violent. I specifically said that the existence of ANY violence in a protest doesn't make the entire thing "violent". If I punch somebody in church that doesn't make my church's services "violent", it means a rare act of violence happened in an overall-non-violent place.

To call a demonstration "violent" dispassionately there needs to be a critical mass of violence. Since property destruction doesn't count as violence, then the tiny handful of violent acts by protesters in Portland doesn't outweigh the overall non-violent nature of the protests.

I hope this helps.

[Rougarou 594]

15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

On what would we base the idea of anti-racist protesters pulling people out of their cars to assault them when the people were just sitting there waiting passively? That has to come from somewhere to be a rational deduction.

I can use my imagination to get there, sure, but I can use my imagination to get anywhere.

A rational deduction would be, "since anti-racist protesters have been violent towards bystanders in X, Y, and Z circumstances, then it's logical to presume that they will eventually be violent in V(ehicle) circumstance."

The problem there is that anti-racist protesters have NOT been violent towards bystanders. So we're left with where we were, which is irrational fear.

I think it helps to classify the data into two sets. Let's call Set 1: anti-racist protesters and lets call Set 2: destructive rioters.

Next let's try and cluster these two data sets around time/place/event so we know which data set to avoid because of rational deduction of violence (i.e. destructive rioters) and which we can engage around without irrational fear (i.e. anti-racist protesters). Oh? We can't make a clear distinction? I guess then, in an abundance of caution (because we are dealing with human lives and property) we should treat all these as unknowns with similar nominal characteristics and default to potentially dangerous. Call it the Law of the Poisoned Well, if you will.

So there, you see how one could rationally deduce where you couldn't see a natural pattern or logistical flow-- because you were working under the faulty premise that there is only persona participating in these affairs, after-hours, and with semi-automatic rifle openly carried.

Now, add in a flavor of competing ideologies (e.g. John from Finance is a MAGA guy who drives a car with a Trump2020 or Thin Blue Line sticker on his car, but otherwise wants no trouble and happens to find himself in the middle of a protest, legally sanctioned or otherwise) and you have more cause for the rational deduction you are denying exists. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Rougarou

[Deej 76560]

"What could possibly go wrong with letting protesters stop vehicles?" - Reginald Denny. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Have even "destructive rioters" been assaulting bystanders?

[Buzzrock 14870]

So...that first horribly incriminating video of the jacked up truck with multiple flags driving right through the middle of a BLM protest....you really think that helps your argument here?  You don't think that it's maybe, kinda sorta, POSSIBLE, that Ricky Redneck was driving right through the protest to taunt people and start some shit?
No, that doesn't justify a violent response.....but it was damned sure intended to provoke a response.  The bear shouldn't bite you.  But if you poke the bear, you're a fucking asshole.
When you go out looking for trouble, you shouldn't feign shock, surprise, and anger when you find it.

Sorta like attacking federal buildings provokes a federal response. #bothsides

[Buzzrock 14870]

Also, has anyone found an example of a driver injured by protesters while sitting and waiting passively for traffic to clear up?

Damage to mental health. Micro-aggressions brah.

[Buzzrock 14870]

bt is funny

[Rougarou 594]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Have even "destructive rioters" been assaulting bystanders?

I don't think there is a lot of data there. I don't think we have seen a lot of situations involving what I would call bystanders. People engaged and involved where those folks are engaging in their destruction are onboard and agreeable to being there and with what is going on, right?

I do think that bystanders property have been the victim of destruction, from what I've seen. Burned up cars or graffiti'ed vehicles that were parked in the streets, etc.

[bad_teammate 13132]

Any human in physical proximity to a demonstration where they can sense it (hearing or seeing or feeling) is a bystander, a person who is present at an event or incident but does not take part.

There are a lot of situations with demonstrators blocking the streets and people just sitting in the traffic and waiting patiently for it to clear up. And demonstrators marching through an area where people live/shop/eat/work and people stand by while the demonstration happens. These are all bystanders.

My take, which I do not think is unreasonable, is that if a significant portion of BLM/anti-racist demonstrators were "violent" we would have a lot of dead and injured bystanders. We don't, so either they are trying to hurt people and failing (ANTIFA chasing innocent people but ending up entangled in the street in a cartoon cloud of limbs and dust) or they aren't actually trying to hurt people.

A co-worker said that the media is at fault for Corona panic because if it wasn't for mass media peddling the story most of us would just think this is a particularly nasty flu based on what we would be observing. His logic is sound (though his takeaways were not), and it applies here. If it weren't for a fear-product media, why would anyone living in basically any suburb anywhere feel threatened by this? There are probably 50 total city blocks in America that have been torn up even with property damage from this, much less actual violence. 3 of those are in Portland, which has been the subject of breathless media fear-mongering for weeks (and really it's like 1 or 2 in Portland).

[Incredulity 11563]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Any human in physical proximity to a demonstration where they can sense it (hearing or seeing or feeling) is a bystander, a person who is present at an event or incident but does not take part.

There are a lot of situations with demonstrators blocking the streets and people just sitting in the traffic and waiting patiently for it to clear up. And demonstrators marching through an area where people live/shop/eat/work and people stand by while the demonstration happens. These are all bystanders.

My take, which I do not think is unreasonable, is that if a significant portion of BLM/anti-racist demonstrators were "violent" we would have a lot of dead and injured bystanders. We don't, so either they are trying to hurt people and failing (ANTIFA chasing innocent people but ending up entangled in the street in a cartoon cloud of limbs and dust) or they aren't actually trying to hurt people.

A co-worker said that the media is at fault for Corona panic because if it wasn't for mass media peddling the story most of us would just think this is a particularly nasty flu based on what we would be observing. His logic is sound (though his takeaways were not), and it applies here. If it weren't for a fear-product media, why would anyone living in basically any suburb anywhere feel threatened by this? There are probably 50 total city blocks in America that have been torn up even with property damage from this, much less actual violence. 3 of those are in Portland, which has been the subject of breathless media fear-mongering for weeks (and really it's like 1 or 2 in Portland).

The media coverage is a 3X relationship of “breathless fear-mongering” and “mostly peaceful escalated” excuse making.

 

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[high side 3 way 54]

48 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

People always compare this ridiculous time period to 1984, but now Fahrenheit 451 wants to join the party?

[MillerEP 30339]

Rumor mill is there is going to be large protests at the UT tower and Austin PD downtown tonight, and that a few buses full of protesters arrived last night and they're staging across I-35. Rumor is they're going after APD HQ. Word got out so they've been increasing police presence and the Guard in case it gets out of hand. But either way if true (not sure it is) then you may want to avoid downtown traffic-wise.

Edited August 1, 2020 by MillerEP

[bad_teammate 13132]

Funding protests in capitol cities isn't an unprecedented tactic, though. A recent NYT article discussed the funding behind a recent protest movement.

Seems weird that these buses and protesters haven't been photographed yet.

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[tx 3 putt 76346]

3 hours ago, MillerEP said:

 few buses full of protesters arrived last night 

every town in texas has had 'bus loads' protesters show up, allegedly. i need to see proof

several weeks back and guy in silsbee told me the locals were ready patrol the streets because 'bus loads' of protesters were showing up  

[Brothahorn 10085]

I thought the Portland protests were about the Fed occupation, and would stop once the Feds left..LOL

Even though they had been going on for over month before the FEDs showed up.

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[Cajun 11675]

On 7/31/2020 at 1:09 PM, bad_teammate said:

I don't have the power to "condemn" anyone.

I think most police officers are, overall, good individual humans. I reject the good cop/bad cop labels because the structure of policing (blue wall of silence, etc...) makes being a "good cop" functionally impossible. My evidence for this is the rarity of officers being held accountable for their actions and how common it is for officers to just watch as their co-workers abuse and kill.

Property crime isn't violence. The law agrees with me.

It's just not.

It's bad. It shouldn't happen. But it's not violence.

If you're against ALL law-breaking then you're against civic disobedience, since civic disobedience involves breaking laws. Otherwise it's not "disobedience".

You're just against civil disobedience as a protest tactic, embrace it. Be free.

Not entirely...

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Property Crimes

Although property crimes are generally considered to be a separate category of offenses, criminal laws have designated the crime of arson as one type of property crime that is so harmful as to constitute a violent crime. Arson involves the intentional burning of the building of another, often a personal home or property. Since arson is such a destructive crime, it is punished harshly under criminal laws.

 

[elfenix 34171]

there's violent crime, there's property crime, and then there's arson. which gets a tick mark under the arson column and also a tick mark under whatever the more important of the other two categories is.  so, if you intentionally set fire to someone's house with the requisite intent for murder, and end up killing someone, that's counted as both a violent crime and arson.  if you set someone else's house on fire with the requisite intent to murder but no one is home so no one dies, then it's counted as both arson and a property crime.  i literally posted the link at the top of this page.

Edited August 2, 2020 by elfenix

[0xdeadbeef 1626]

On 7/31/2020 at 3:26 PM, bad_teammate said:

Yes, and each one of those is a case of someone either driving into protesters (tanker, Provo) or otherwise starting a fight by getting out of their cars.

Lying isn't going to help your case. It just makes people distrust your overall point because you're being extremely dishonest in getting there.

Be honest so we can have a productive conversation. Lying is unproductive.

 

Also, I don't know if you're a man of faith, but lying is a sin. 

Serious question.

Is there ANYONE on this board that would have let those protesters completely stop your vehicle in either of these situations?  Best case, it's just a beating you get. More likely, life changing injuries or death. 

Down thread it show a freeway-cam of the big rig a 1/2 mile back and there are NO Cops, NO cones, No DOT signs warning that the road is closed, nothing.  I'm really surprised the truck was the only vehicle to keep driving straight.  

 

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

2 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

I thought the Portland protests were about the Fed occupation, and would stop once the Feds left.

No, you didn't think this. Literally no one thought this.

What the fuck are you talking about?

36 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Is there ANYONE on this board that would have let those protesters completely stop your vehicle in either of these situations?  Best case, it's just a beating you get. More likely, life changing injuries or death. 

 

"in either of these situations" is doing quite a bit of work here.

I can't answer because I'd never drive into a crowd of people. I would stop and wait for them to disperse because I'm not a complete fucking lunatic.

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Down thread it show a freeway-cam of the big rig a 1/2 mile back and there are NO Cops, NO cones, No DOT signs warning that the road is closed, nothing.  I'm really surprised the truck was the only vehicle to keep driving straight.  

Everyone was exiting, there were people standing there directing traffic to the exit, and there were cars parked perpendicular to the roadway in front of him and a MASSIVE crowd that, if you couldn't see from 200 yards away, you shouldn't be operating a vehicle. He had to leave the lanes of traffic to continue forward.

Come on.

[Deej 76560]

Don't play on the freeway. Simple as that. 

[Js1 85104]

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

 

I remember you complaining about today’s discourse having no substance the other day as you post tweets. 

[Clintonaldo 2571]

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

 

LOL Mayor Beetlejuice is rustled. 

[Bigbend1812 12886]

15 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

LOL Mayor Beetlejuice is rustled. 

[Cajun 11675]

nm

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by Cajun

[Buzzrock 14870]

Vest boy needs a new tactic: arrested for arson.


https://www.kptv.com/news/doj-18-year-old-arson-suspect-arrested-for-throwing-explosive-device-at-portland-courthouse/article_3aac312c-d397-11ea-a087-4b48795bf159.html

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 8/1/2020 at 8:26 PM, 0xdeadbeef said:

Serious question.

Is there ANYONE on this board that would have let those protesters completely stop your vehicle in either of these situations?  Best case, it's just a beating you get. More likely, life changing injuries or death. 

Down thread it show a freeway-cam of the big rig a 1/2 mile back and there are NO Cops, NO cones, No DOT signs warning that the road is closed, nothing.  I'm really surprised the truck was the only vehicle to keep driving straight.  

 

 

NO NO NO.  It's merely an inconvenience to be dealt with as peaceful protesters block roadways, and freeways. Why it's just like  ... it's like a .. hell it's just like a traffic jam after a football game....  quit bitching.  

Dahobs laid this all to rest a few pages back.  These protesters blocking road ways are just trying to get you to see their point of view, and sympathize with them.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Extortion is a tactic

 

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/08/02/louisville-cuban-community-rallies-nulu-la-bodeguita-de-mima/5567470002/

Edited August 3, 2020 by ChickenSandwich

[Buzzrock 14870]

It’s what Breonna would have wanted.

[seven 1366]

There is no extortion associated with that story 

[high side 3 way 54]

3 minutes ago, seven said:

There is no extortion associated with that story 

[clapclapclap 9000]

5 minutes ago, seven said:

There is no extortion associated with that story 

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/08/01/louisville-cuban-community-rally-support-la-bodeguita-de-mima/5562669002/

...The release states that La Bodeguita de Mima was forced to close July 24 during a demonstration that shut down East Market Street, at which several protesters presented Martinez with the list of demands and said he "better put the letter on the door so your business is not f*cked with."

The restaurant remained closed the next two days because "management and staff were concerned about safety," according to the release. "30+ staff members (mostly immigrants) were unable to earn a paycheck."

On Thursday, a small group of protesters returned to the restaurant after seeing Martinez's post about the demands on Facebook. While there, one protester smashed a flower pot outside the business, while the rest spoke with Martinez and other employees about why the demands are needed.

The demands and an attached contract, which were created by local organizers and activists, ask NuLu business owners to:

Adequately represent the Black population of Louisville by having a minimum of 23% Black staff;

Purchase a minimum of 23% inventory from Black retailers or make a recurring monthly donation of 1.5% of net sales to a local Black nonprofit or organization;

Require diversity and inclusion training for all staff members on a bi-annual basis;

And display a visible sign that increases awareness and shows support for the reparations movement.

Phelix Crittenden, an activist who works with Black Lives Matter Louisville, said the demands and related "NuLu social justice health and wellness ratings" were not meant to be a threat but were instead intended to start a conversation with owners about how their businesses can better reflect and support Black people....

Crittenden, who also founded the organization Blacks Organizing Strategic Success, said several NuLu business owners have volunteered to sign the contract created by the protesters and are open to discussing their roles in the gentrification of the area, which has undergone hundreds of millions of dollars in development in recent years.

A row of LMPD officers stand across from dozens of people protesting for Breonna Taylor Friday afternoon on East Market. Dozens were arrested after officers' ordered them to stop blocking East Market Street.

Police use the tables that were blocking East Market to write arrest reports as 76 people were arrested after protesting for Breonna Taylor and blocking East Market Street and refusing to leave Friday afternoon. Charges were obstructing a highway and disorderly conduct. A few were charged with assault.

A list of demands for business owners propped up in downtown Louisville on July 24, 2020.

[seven 1366]

2 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/08/01/louisville-cuban-community-rally-support-la-bodeguita-de-mima/5562669002/

...The release states that La Bodeguita de Mima was forced to close July 24 during a demonstration that shut down East Market Street, at which several protesters presented Martinez with the list of demands and said he "better put the letter on the door so your business is not f*cked with."

The restaurant remained closed the next two days because "management and staff were concerned about safety," according to the release. "30+ staff members (mostly immigrants) were unable to earn a paycheck."

On Thursday, a small group of protesters returned to the restaurant after seeing Martinez's post about the demands on Facebook. While there, one protester smashed a flower pot outside the business, while the rest spoke with Martinez and other employees about why the demands are needed.

The demands and an attached contract, which were created by local organizers and activists, ask NuLu business owners to:

Adequately represent the Black population of Louisville by having a minimum of 23% Black staff;

Purchase a minimum of 23% inventory from Black retailers or make a recurring monthly donation of 1.5% of net sales to a local Black nonprofit or organization;

Require diversity and inclusion training for all staff members on a bi-annual basis;

And display a visible sign that increases awareness and shows support for the reparations movement.

Phelix Crittenden, an activist who works with Black Lives Matter Louisville, said the demands and related "NuLu social justice health and wellness ratings" were not meant to be a threat but were instead intended to start a conversation with owners about how their businesses can better reflect and support Black people....

Crittenden, who also founded the organization Blacks Organizing Strategic Success, said several NuLu business owners have volunteered to sign the contract created by the protesters and are open to discussing their roles in the gentrification of the area, which has undergone hundreds of millions of dollars in development in recent years.

A row of LMPD officers stand across from dozens of people protesting for Breonna Taylor Friday afternoon on East Market. Dozens were arrested after officers' ordered them to stop blocking East Market Street.

Police use the tables that were blocking East Market to write arrest reports as 76 people were arrested after protesting for Breonna Taylor and blocking East Market Street and refusing to leave Friday afternoon. Charges were obstructing a highway and disorderly conduct. A few were charged with assault.

A list of demands for business owners propped up in downtown Louisville on July 24, 2020.

Thank you, I read the link provided and one in the article about the letter and neither mentioned this. 

[Hate 20103]

Yeah, didn’t happen - seven

[Message Board User 12389]

Paywall.

[Buzzrock 14870]

24% is a bigger number than I was expecting when the headline was “double digit.”