Surly Megathread of destruction and doom. [BEWARE VERY DOOMY]

[bad_teammate 13125]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

What have you become?

[bad_teammate 13125]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

We should hope it doesn’t come to that. But if it does, I’m putting my money on the 98% of the population that aren’t in the streets.  The people who have actual things worth protecting. 

History doesn't always go that way.

[Anastasis 23375]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

History doesn't always go that way.

Wonder where the world would be today if Russia took a course that didn't involve a Bolshevik dead end for most of the century. 

[Anastasis 23375]

But thank you for calling this up in my alternate tab.

 

 

[bad_teammate 13125]

11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Wonder where the world would be today if Russia took a course that didn't involve a Bolshevik dead end for most of the century. 

Wouldn't have this, so the world would be worse of for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6wl-EyhXl0

 

--- On Topic ---

TACTICS! 

I think people who identify as libertarian but are choosing to ignore this stuff are shooting themselves in the foot in the long run even if it feel satisfying

Edited August 16, 2020 by bad_teammate

[Anastasis 23375]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I think people who identify as libertarian but are choosing to ignore this stuff are shooting themselves in the foot in the long run even if it feel satisfying

Ignoring what exactly?  The culmination of a long slide towards a police state in this country.  Please. This from the person who posts Bolshevik pornography under the header "history doesn't always go that way". Come on man.  Try to be less of a clown.  You are actually a better poster when you just stick to sarcasm instead of trying to splice in real talk.  

[bad_teammate 13125]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Ignoring what exactly?  The culmination of a long slide towards a police state in this country.  Please. This from the person who posts Bolshevik pornography under the header "history doesn't always go that way". Come on man.

I don't like that the Romanov family, including 5 children, was murdered by a mob. That sucks. That's bad. If you think I actually like that 5 kids where shot to death in a basement you're fucking stupid.

If you're upset about something in another thread then I think it would be more useful to go to that thread rather than shit this one up with past grudges.

I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to argue here with regard to the topic.

Our law enforcement needs to be muzzled. (along with our other agencies of state violence) I think people who consider liberty important shouldn't take their eye off the increasing amount of unaccountable violence the state finds itself performing.

I think an increasingly-unaccountable state violence machine is far more of a threat to everyone long-term than the civil disorder and disobedience happening in a small handful of places done by a small handful of people. Seems reasonable to me.

[Cajun 11675]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Sarcasm is a little spice you mix in. The problem is when you make it your rhetorical main course, which is very common here.

 

I'll give you points for making your rationalization here concise.

It's a step in the right direction from the normal balloon animal mental pretzel bending.  This one's just a weiner dog with no head or legs.

Props.

Edited August 16, 2020 by Cajun

[Cajun 11675]

33 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Ignoring what exactly?  The culmination of a long slide towards a police state in this country.  Please. This from the person who posts Bolshevik pornography under the header "history doesn't always go that way". Come on man.  Try to be less of a clown.  You are actually a better poster when you just stick to sarcasm instead of trying to splice in real talk.  

Joe, that you?

[Anastasis 23375]

15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I don't like that the Romanov family, including 5 children, was murdered by a mob. That sucks. That's bad. If you think I actually like that 5 kids where shot to death in a basement you're fucking stupid.

If you're upset about something in another thread then I think it would be more useful to go to that thread rather than shit this one up with past grudges.

I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to argue here with regard to the topic.

Our law enforcement needs to be muzzled. (along with our other agencies of state violence) I think people who consider liberty important shouldn't take their eye off the increasing amount of unaccountable violence the state finds itself performing.

I think an increasingly-unaccountable state violence machine is far more of a threat to everyone long-term than the civil disorder and disobedience happening in a small handful of places done by a small handful of people. Seems reasonable to me.

Why are you calling out libertarian-leaning individuals that fundamentally agree with you and don't ignore this stuff.  If you do that, don't expect a free pass on posting Bolshevik child murder porn. Because everybody that has posted here for a while knows that you actually align with the Bolsheviks when it all shakes out.  

[bad_teammate 13125]

19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Why are you calling out libertarian-leaning individuals that fundamentally agree with you and don't ignore this stuff. 

Is that happening? Who did I call out specifically?

If what I'm saying doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply.

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Because everybody that has posted here for a while knows that you actually align with the Bolsheviks when it all shakes out.  

Not really, no. I don't like the idea of a strong leader taking ultimate power with a pinky-promise to release that power back to the people once the revolution is over.

You've worked yourself into a shoot, brother.

[washparkhorn 9931]

1 hour ago, Brothahorn said:

Wasn't me. But I do wonder at what point you become to fancy for Surly? Probably need a thread for that.

I quoted BT by using the quote selection button in your post - I thought it would attribute it correctly. My apologies if anyone thought Brothahorn was the source of the quote. He might say that in certain situations - as we all would in the when viewing the issue from multiple angles.

And as Brotherhorn know 99.99% of America isn't fancy. They control little in their economic life. Some might have some of the trappings of a wealthy life, but not like the truly wealthy. That's up in the stratosphere. Regular folk live on Earth. They may put on airs, but they are not the mighty few. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Some are capricious and that is catastrophic to those with less. 

That's fancy to me. Who fancy to you? I am more concerned with wealth than income. It is increasing during COVID. That makes zero economic sense. That's a collapsing economy. That is wealth with zero cares what happens to anyone in the world. That disconnect is not supposed to be there in a functioning market. Or in a non-sociopathic market. Or in a non-suicidal market.  Our economic policy is driving the economy off the cliff. 

The world began seeing it before COVID. 

And COVID exposed more of the weaknesses. (towards the end they have a piece from Waco - showing folks learning about homelessness pre-Covid). 

The fancy rich can afford to take a little less out of the economy. It needs balancing from time to time. 

The Chinese Capitalist State is kicking America. That has consequences - especially for the non-fancies out there like all of us. 

TLDR: Don't kill the golden goose. That goose is us. 

[Anastasis 23375]

 

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not really, no.

Come on BT.  I actually think that most posters would respect you more if you just owned up to the fact that you encourage children being lined up against the wall and shot.  I mean, you are the only one posting pictures of the aftermath as some sort of political statement. 

[Anastasis 23375]

58 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Our law enforcement needs to be muzzled.

On this we and most thinking people agree. 

[washparkhorn 9931]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Ignoring what exactly? 

The damaging effects to liberty when the social contract deteriorates through regressive economic policy. The libertarian left is in the same family as the orthodox libertarian right. Greed is a survival instinct and one of the seven deadly sins. It's a chemical reaction in the brain. The problem is - greed is addictive and for those with no connection to conditions on the ground - that disconnect is at the expense of others.

A cool documentary on the scientific evidence and Western Wisdom on greed through the ages. 

 

 

[washparkhorn 9931]

3 hours ago, Cajun said:

Mister "Stop being sarcastic while I'm being sarcastic because that means your underdeveloped" did.

 

2 hours ago, Cajun said:

I'll ding myself.

"you're"

I thought that was "[stet]" humor. Works either way though.

Cheers. 

[Cajun 11675]

2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

 

I thought that was "[stet]" humor. Works either way though.

Cheers. 

I thought about passing it off as such, but then that would make me as intellectually dishonest as BT.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

12 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

I guess you don't really believe the things you were saying, that's ok.

If the attitude those of us with wealth/power/capital have is "fuck you, you're less than me" then we deserve everything they're doing now and more.

It's inhuman.

Nope it's not at all.  Who said you're less than me ?  The reality is employers get as much from employees as possible, everywhere in the world forever.  Doctors, and lawyers are the worst for abusing new employees.   If you wanna call that abuse sure whatever.  You start out on the bottom, and move up if you're smart, talented, and a little lucky.  

If you're talking about child labor abuse or paying people $1.00 a day to make $100 sneakers, or ignoring safety procedures sure that's for sure abuse, and we as consumers should be part of the equation getting rid of it thru out purchasing power.

You make your own future (for the most part) in this country at least.  Self reliance, and self responsibility are probably like holy water or a crucifix to folks like you.  We don't live in utopia, and never will.  

Edited August 16, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[bad_teammate 13125]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Come on BT.  I actually think that most posters would respect you more if you just owned up to the fact that you encourage children being lined up against the wall and shot.  I mean, you are the only one posting pictures of the aftermath as some sort of political statement. 

I posted pictures of the aftermath as evidence that the poor cannot always be reliably trod underfoot as fatty said would happen. Yes, the poor usually lose to the rich, but it doesn't always go that way.

I hope you got laid last night so you can be less of a whining moron today.

2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Nope it's not at all.  Who said yup;re less than me ?  The reality is employers get as much from employees as possible, everywhere in the world forever.  Doctors, and lawyers are the worst for abusing new employees.   If you wanna call that abuse sure whatever.

Cool then why are you arguing with me?

Employers are often abusive and exploitative of their employees. You can think that's fine and the employees should relish the opportunity to be stepped on, but someone with a functional moral conscience and even a high schooler's grasp of history should see the problem with that.

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If you're talking about child labor abuse or paying people $1.00 a day to make $100 sneakers, or ignoring safety procedures sure that's for sure abuse, and we as consumers should be part of the equation getting rid of it thru out purchasing power.

How can you look at the entirety of human history, say "Nah, nevermind" in your head and then come out with this "should" bullshit?

Magical thinking. College dorm wish-casting.

Abolition movements do not succeed because of consumer-end decisions. Labor reform doesn't happen because of consumer-end decisions.

Here are the things that generally lead to labor reform:
- Organized labor action (strikes, walk-outs, etc...)
- Popular action (protest, riot, etc...)
- Government regulation (often preceded by the above, but also through more passive lobbying efforts or the election of sympathetic representatives)
- War and Revolution

[Anastasis 23375]

16 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I posted pictures of the aftermath as evidence that the poor cannot always be reliably trod underfoot as fatty said would happen. Yes, the poor usually lose to the rich, but it doesn't always go that way.

I hope you got laid last night so you can be less of a whining moron today.

If I got laid this morning, will you admit that you complaining about sarcasm in posting style is pretty fucking chef's kiss style choice. 

[bad_teammate 13125]

25 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If I got laid this morning, will you admit that you complaining about sarcasm in posting style is pretty fucking chef's kiss style choice. 

I use sarcasm all the time, sure, but I also effortpost and actually think things through, ask and answer questions, and engage in actual conversations. I mix it up. What happens here is that sarcasm is the beginning and end of many posters' participation. That's a problem.

This isn't hard to understand, you just think you're onto something, but unfortunately it's an off-topic derail to the subject of this thread so we'll have to find a new and more appropriate venue in which I can help you work out whatever grudges you're wrestling with internally.

Leave CR in CR bud.

And use your reading comprehension.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by bad_teammate

[Cajun 11675]

There's the head, tail, and ears on that rationalization mental weiner dog balloon animal!

Well done BT!

Like clockwork.   

Edited August 16, 2020 by Cajun
Following your standard of convenience here - little sarcasm sprinkled in with simple observation.

[Cajun 11675]

I gotta say, the passive-aggressive personal attack was a nice bonus.

[bad_teammate 13125]

Reading comprehension.

I went ahead and found every instance of me referencing sarcasm and am posting them here.

July 28: "Would be a SHITLOAD more productive to not just rely on angry sarcasm as our communicative method, boys."
July 29: "The dead-set reliance of many here on angry sarcasm in lieu of any facts or reasoning really tells how vapid and hollow their view on the protests is."
August 9: "Because it seems like you're just piling lie on top of lie and hoping that enough brazen dishonesty and sarcasm will carry you through."
August 15: "It would be interesting to see you and people like you attempt to make sincere arguments, because the constant sarcasm you guys use is childish, pointless, divisive, and poisonous."
August 15: "I can see why you live in the world of emotional sarcasm; your reasoning skills are underdeveloped."

Every single time the point is the same: Dishonest people and idiots rely solely on sarcasm and never attempt sincere argumentation.

Anastasis I guess has an excuse because he just wandered in, saw dishonest people mischaracterizing what I'm saying, and jumped in because he likes to argue with me and is lives in a desperate search for opportunities to dunk. You've been here the whole time, Cajun, what's your excuse?

But anyway, back on topic...

A common tactic for governments to use to justify expansion of their own power, especially violent or economic power, is to create security theater (TSA posting pictures of their "catch" is a good example) to make a public relations argument that state violence is necessary. Right now not only is the state doing that job for itself, but it's got a legion of useful idiots online who are helping make small pockets of chaos and even tinier pockets of legitimate violence seem like they are EVERYWHERE. 

If someone is liberty-minded, they should think about whether or not they are acting like a tool for unchecked state power.

Edited August 16, 2020 by bad_teammate

[bad_teammate 13125]

When we look back at history we often think, "Jesus, how could people not have noticed?!"

We should do that in real time and not just in hindsight.

They're making it very very obvious for us, and we should learn.

[Anastasis 23375]

23 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

he likes to argue with me

 

But I do honestly wonder what the world would look like right now if Russia had not taken the dead end path of Bolshevism. I am also not sure why you parried from that to an attack against libertarian leaning allies. 

[Brisketexan 104464]

 
But I do honestly wonder what the world would look like right now if Russia had not taken the dead end path of Bolshevism. I am also not sure why you parried from that to an attack against libertarian leaning allies. 

Your wonder is a good one. You should also wonder what the world would have looked like had the Czars and their ruling class pals paid any attention to the plight of the rest of the Russian people instead of amping up their exploitation to accumulate ostentatious gilded trappings of wealth.

It is not a statement of admiration for violent revolution by the masses when one observes that rampant and unabashed disparity allowing the very top to literally accumulate gold toilets while 40% or better of the people don’t know if they’ll have a home if they miss a single paycheck is a recipe for violent revolt and social collapse.

Bolshevism sucked. A system that inevitably led to Bolshevism really sucked. That system was run by the supposed elites - the people with the education and supposed judgment to avoid collapse of the very system that gave them a good life. They should have made better choices.

We, here and now, should make better choices. Because if we continue to make the same shitty choices, leaving huge swaths of the people utterly fucked, then we all know how it ends. And that end makes some smashed storefronts in Chicago look like a stable paradise.

[bad_teammate 13125]

17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

But I do honestly wonder what the world would look like right now if Russia had not taken the dead end path of Bolshevism. I am also not sure why you parried from that to an attack against libertarian leaning allies. 

It's not the subject of this thread. Go to the Communism thread that the bobs specifically made to contain that derail.

[Cajun 11675]

Pehaps I need to go to the IPIHB forum b/c I read that reference to the bobs as "the boobs".

Gotta be a sign.

[ChickenSandwich 9797]

Not posting the graphic assault video. Video is pre-crash. Pure chaos. 
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/08/driver-of-crashed-car-is-beaten-blocks-from-downtown-portland-protests.html
 

Video showed a man being restrained and beaten bloody at the scene of a crashed truck in downtown Portland late Sunday, shortly after a confrontation that unfolded near the protests a few blocks away.

Portland police said they received a report that protesters were chasing the truck before its driver crashed — and that protesters assaulted the driver afterward. It wasn’t immediately clear what spurred the encounter, and police have released few details
 

But a video — which contains graphic violence and language — showed a group of people kick, punch and push the man to the ground after he crashed into a light pole at Southwest Broadway and Taylor Street. 

 

Some tried to hold the assailants back, while others begin going through the contents of the truck. As the man sat on the ground, a person ran from behind and kicked him in the face, apparently knocking him unconscious.

 

Another video showed the man bleeding from the back of the head. Some street medics attempted to provide aid to the man as they urged others to call 911.

 

A large police response arrived later and encountered “a hostile crowd,” police said. The driver was taken to a hospital with serious injuries, and the truck was towed.

 

Another video, edited to omit portions, showed a woman at the crash scene being tackled to the ground in an earlier incident, which unfolded near Southwest Fourth Avenue and Taylor Street. 

 

Some people came to the woman’s aid. And the truck — surrounded by people, some kicking it or pulling on its doors — pulled into the intersection against the light and sped down the street toward the intersection where it crashed.

 

The connection between the driver of the truck and the woman who was tackled is unclear. 

 

The incident remains under investigation, and no arrests have been made.

 

-- The Oregonian/OregonLive

*no proof these are BLM supporters, Drew’s assumption

 

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Yes nothing but peaceful protesters.  Nooooooothing to see here. keep moving. I mean it's just reparations.....and people trying to convince others of their cause.

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[Incredulity 11532]

Motherfucker who kicked him in the head deserves an attempted murder charge(assuming he doesn’t die).

 

[MillerEP 30339]

https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261099&ec=1&ch=twitter

[ChickenSandwich 9797]

It’s Portland. The DA will probably refuse to press charges. Because peaceful 

“If we leverage the full force of the criminal justice system on individuals who are peacefully protesting and demanding to be heard, we will cause irreparable harm to them individually and to our society,” he said.
 

 

 

[Anastasis 23375]

Why wasn't this already the case?

Furthermore, the new policy will require that before issuing, any referred charge of “Resisting arrest” (ORS 162.315) or “Assaulting a public safety officer” (ORS 163.208) must be subjected to the highest level of scrutiny by the deputy district attorney reviewing the arrest. 

 

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Motherfucker who kicked him in the head deserves an attempted murder charge(assuming he doesn’t die).

 

No, he's a peaceful protester making a counterpoint.    Just ask BT or some of the other willfully ignorant, and blind posters on this site. This is just an outlier, still nothing to see here.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[bad_teammate 13125]

So wait, you don't like a DA who says they don't want to bring government prosecution against peaceful protesters?

Is there some reason you're conflating the violent assault in the video with "peaceful protest"?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

So wait, you don't like a DA who says they don't want to bring government prosecution against peaceful protesters?

Is there some reason you're conflating the violent assault in the video with "peaceful protest"?

There aren't any peaceful protests once the sun sets.

[bad_teammate 13125]

2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

There aren't any peaceful protests once the sun sets.

A lie meant to protect government authority that wants to silence dissent.

#sad

[Brisketexan 104464]

4 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

No, he's a peaceful protester making a counterpoint.    Just ask BT or some of the other willfully ignorant, and blind posters on this site. Those is just an outlier, still nothing to see here.

Really?  I presume that there will thus be a parade of folks defending someone who just committed violent assault on another person.

I'll wait.

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

So wait, you don't like a DA who says they don't want to bring government prosecution against peaceful protesters?

Is there some reason you're conflating the violent assault in the video with "peaceful protest"?

And this.  What the DA said is a recitation of both the actual law and good policy.  Don't prosecute nonviolent protesters, only prosecute violent ones.  And don't just take the cops' word for it, as they have a demonstrated history of being fast and loose with "he was resisting arrest!" charges.  So, scrutinize the charge.  I'd be happy to see any DA say what he said.  Because that's just good sense.

I hope the dude who kicked the guy goes down.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

A lie meant to protect government authority that wants to silence dissent.

#sad

The person lying here is you. There are countless videos of the violence occurring at the hands of peaceful protesters once the sun goes down. #BTisaliar

[Anastasis 23375]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Really?  I presume that there will thus be a parade of folks defending someone who just committed violent assault on another person.

I'll wait.

And this.  What the DA said is a recitation of both the actual law and good policy.  Don't prosecute nonviolent protesters, only prosecute violent ones.  And don't just take the cops' word for it, as they have a demonstrated history of being fast and loose with "he was resisting arrest!" charges.  So, scrutinize the charge.  I'd be happy to see any DA say what he said.  Because that's just good sense.

I hope the dude who kicked the guy goes down.

I was down with those parts, but I do not like this particular part. No passes given for theft and burglary.  

Finally, when a person is charged with a misdemeanor or felony crime that causes only financial harm during a protest, there will be a presumption that the individual will either be offered conditional dismissal after restitution is paid to the victim or when other amends to the community are made, such as restorative justice with the impacted victim.

Crimes in this category include:

Criminal mischief in the second and third degree (ORS 164.345 & ORS 164.354) When the value is under $1,000

Theft in the first, second and third degree (ORS 164.043, ORS 164.045 & ORS 164.055) When the value is under $1,000 or when the theft is committed during a riot

Burglary in the second degree if combined with any criminal mischief or theft allegation.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Really?  I presume that there will thus be a parade of folks defending someone who just committed violent assault on another person.

I'll wait.

And this.  What the DA said is a recitation of both the actual law and good policy.  Don't prosecute nonviolent protesters, only prosecute violent ones.  And don't just take the cops' word for it, as they have a demonstrated history of being fast and loose with "he was resisting arrest!" charges.  So, scrutinize the charge.  I'd be happy to see any DA say what he said.  Because that's just good sense.

I hope the dude who kicked the guy goes down.

Many of these types of videos are out there, yet folks right here have asked where are the videos of precisely this type of violence.

[Incredulity 11532]

3 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Many of these types of videos are out there, yet folks right here have asked where are the videos of precisely this type of violence.

Andy Ngo posted about it so it will explained away by the fart sniffers.

[Brisketexan 104464]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Many of these types of videos are out there, yet folks right here have asked where are the videos of precisely this type of violence.

Huh?  We've seen videos of purported protesters committing violent actions.....I'm not aware of anyone disputing that such things exist.

I mean, of course, there are numerous videos of peaceful protesters trying to stop violence.  And numerous videos of cops committing unprovoked acts of violence against peaceful protesters.    You know, cops, the people who are LITERALLY in our payroll, who work for us.  Protests have escalated into violence.....yet you look ONLY at one source of that escalation as the target of your anger.

Indeed, you're most angry about shitheel criminals (who we the people don't really have any control over), and not the criminal actions of your own employees, and your effort/demand that they actually perform their job for you correctly and legally is.....rather low.

I say what I've always said - I want all violent criminals to answer fully for their crimes.  Head-kicker guy, yep, include him.  Cops beating unarmed protesters?  You're goddamned right.

[Brisketexan 104464]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Andy Ngo posted about it so it will explained away by the fart sniffers.

If Andy Ngo didn't have a shitty history of posting selected excerpts showing only the last punch, and not the first one, that would help his credibility immensely.  If he's so concerned by unprovoked violence, he should show all such acts that he captures (hint: he'd be showing us a lot of cop videos), and he shouldn't characterize things as unprovoked when it's actually "two dipshits each giving as good as they got."

I'll watch what he posts, but you're damned right I'll do so with a lot of doubt, because of his track record.

[Incredulity 11532]

Glad you’re on record as such

[Brisketexan 104464]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Glad you’re on record as such

Never been on record with anything but that position.   And from what I've seen, nobody around here has said anything materially different.

Which has little to do with our repeated warnings and observations that if the system repeatedly shits on people and tells them that the jackboots are above the law, shit will inevitably explode.  If you wanted to execute a plan for "ensure that violent protests happen," our society, government, and law enforcement has been executing that plan to perfection for quite some time.

I'd like to avoid violent protests.  Perhaps the most effective way to do that is for our society and institutions not create the conditions that history tells us will lead to violence.  We should look into that, and try it.  That way, nobody gets their head kicked in by the cops, or gets murdered by the cops, or gets arrested on bullshit charges by the cops, and no Starbucks windows get smashed, and no people get caught in the crossfire violence.  Winning across the board.  Seems like the best approach.

Yet we resist doing it with everything we've got.  And then bitch about achieving the result that a bunch of us have been reminding everyone is inevitable when you follow that course.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

[VABuckeye 2472]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

If Andy Ngo didn't have a shitty history of posting selected excerpts showing only the last punch, and not the first one, that would help his credibility immensely.  If he's so concerned by unprovoked violence, he should show all such acts that he captures (hint: he'd be showing us a lot of cop videos), and he shouldn't characterize things as unprovoked when it's actually "two dipshits each giving as good as they got."

I'll watch what he posts, but you're damned right I'll do so with a lot of doubt, because of his track record.

That's the whole fucking point.  Videos are edited to show a side.  We have no idea what prompted the cops in those cases.  Hint, this shit is happening on both sides of what is going on.