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[Thatguy 9289]

16 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

The middle ground folks like me feel further and more alone lost between the gulfs of extreme because that is exactly what is occuring. I was going to I write a long post on this yesterday, but the doc tells it far, far better 

 

  Yo, did this dude just call himself middle ground bro???

Edited September 24, 2020 by Thatguy

[gernblansten 3254]

7 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

If you're Senator Brisket, you'll still have the same extreme segments loving or loathing you, but there are plenty of good, rational, reasonable, folks in the middle who need good leaders to effect change.  

You don't comprehend so well. 

[Buzzrock 15115]

Many of you on this thread need to get off social media and watch the social dilemma on Netflix.
Brisket, I am looking directly at you as I've seen you continue to spiral down the fucking wormhole of extreme volatility in reaction to all things. You, in particular need a fucking break from all fucking social media. Right now. You are headed down a very destructive path. 
The specific polarized effect they speak of is amazingly prevalent in this thread. 
The AI is winning. This board is evidence, this thread exemplifies it. 
The middle ground folks like me feel further and more alone lost between the gulfs of extreme because that is exactly what is occuring. I was going to I write a long post on this yesterday, but the doc tells it far, far better 
Social media and the money machine AI is going fucking end us all if we don't change and disconnect. 

It’s the real Skynet. They didn’t need to send robot killing machines to end humanity. They came up with a much more elegant solution.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  Yo, did this dude just call himself middle ground bro???

yeah that was awesome. 

[Captainant 28385]

1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

Best part is the president prior wrote the blueprint for the current one regarding using social media. How soon we forget.

Also, put the troll on ignore. Life will be better.

just to double click on this "both sides" nonsense: the previous president used social media as direct outreach where it was clear who was communicating and that it was political communications.

What cambridge analytica, the russians, and the current president use social media for is microtargeted active propaganda efforts where it is purposely not clear that it's a political message, and designed to stochastically incite action. There are ample examples that are well documented but for some reason you and yours tend to ignore it and call people trolls when it's pointed out.

I mention all of this because many of the actors in that scheme frequently appear in this thread as trusted sources (andy ngo says hayyyy)

[Hate 20232]

 
"Look, I'm not a racist. I have black friends. And I totally support their right to protest, but they just can't be out there in the middle of the street. Honestly this hurts their cause with me, and I don't have a racist bone in my body. Frankly, if they get run over, they deserved it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Do you think that the protesters shouting at people eating dinner are going to garner the support of the diners? Do you think that protesters blocking traffic and banging on cars is going to garner the support of the drivers?

And my point earlier is that for a lot of us, me anyway, I didn’t grow up during segregation. I’ve never been to a restaurant with separate dining rooms for black or white people. I’ve never been to a movie theatre that forced black people to sit in the balcony. I never was on a little league team that did not allow black kids to participate. The idea that it ever existed is appalling. Are things perfect now? No, of course not. Are things better for “my generation” than they were before? I would say so. Are things perfect or the way they should be? No obviously not. Should we continue to make strides and should those strides be bigger and quicker to come? Yes we should. Is this wrong? Does this make me a silent racist?

[BLKNSTY 289]

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/a-seattle-cop-rode-his-bike-over-a-protesters-head-during/


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[Thatguy 9289]

48 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Many of you on this thread need to get off social media and watch the social dilemma on Netflix.

Brisket, I am looking directly at you as I've seen you continue to spiral down the fucking wormhole of extreme volatility in reaction to all things. You, in particular need a fucking break from all fucking social media. Right now. You are headed down a very destructive path. 

The specific polarized effect they speak of is amazingly prevalent in this thread. 

The AI is winning. This board is evidence, this thread exemplifies it. 

The middle ground folks like me feel further and more alone lost between the gulfs of extreme because that is exactly what is occuring. I was going to I write a long post on this yesterday, but the doc tells it far, far better 

Social media and the money machine AI is going fucking end us all if we don't change and disconnect. 

  I tried not to respond to the "you are middle ground" comment, but I just couldn't help it. What the hell are you middle ground on? Have you lived in the Bay Area or spent any considerable time there? Your views would get you run out of that town. My wife's birth parents, who live in the Bay Area, aren't even extreme liberals and we can barely have a conversation about politics, and I am Black.

  BrisketTexan is barely middle ground by San Fran standards. He is simply an understanding Texan.

  Try pulling your F250 into a gas station in San Francisco and you will see exactly how middle ground you are.

[dcar00 14902]

43 minutes ago, Captainant said:

just to double click on this "both sides" nonsense: the previous president used social media as direct outreach where it was clear who was communicating and that it was political communications.

What cambridge analytica, the russians, and the current president use social media for is microtargeted active propaganda efforts where it is purposely not clear that it's a political message, and designed to stochastically incite action. There are ample examples that are well documented but for some reason you and yours tend to ignore it and call people trolls when it's pointed out.

I mention all of this because many of the actors in that scheme frequently appear in this thread as trusted sources (andy ngo says hayyyy)

Its the Russians!!

[BradInATX 9208]

11 minutes ago, Hate said:

Do you think that the protesters shouting at people eating dinner are going to garner the support of the diners? Do you think that protesters blocking traffic and banging on cars is going to garner the support of the drivers?

That's the entire point of my post.

White people love to exalt MLK these days, when in fact he and his followers did the exact same thing (blocking traffic, interrupting business) that you and other folks bitch and moan about today.

The bottom line is that the majority of white people don't want to see or hear any civil unrest from minorities, in any form or fashion. 

[gernblansten 3254]

Individuals, groups, and organizations (some very powerful, some lone morons) on the extreme ends of political/societal spectrums use social media to manipulate disenfranchised and simple minded folks to do their bidding. Democrat, Republican, socialist, communist, libertarian, white, black, brown, green, blue, rich, poor, pick any group big or small, use the internet to sow discourse and extremist views.  Some are very smart and know what they're doing in manipulating the simple minded for an end goal.  Some are just fools who too easily communicate with other ignorant folks who reinforce their ignorant views and convince themselves they're not extremist idiots. 

As far as extreme or middle ground thinkers, if you say things like "I'm glad when a cop dies even though I don't know anything about the cop I'm sure he did bad shit and deserved it", you are not in the middle on the subject.  If you say things like "I don't care that black dude died because he was criminal in the past and that's good enough for me", you are not in the middle.  You're just a "us v. them" extremist.  Apply it to cops v. society, Republican v. Democrat, Muslim v. 'Merica, white v. black, etc, etc, etc.  There are individuals in this world, who don't hold all the views you think they hold just because of the color of their skin, their job, their religion, or political affiliation.       

Finally, the President of the United States, past, current, and/or future, shouldn't be on Twitter.    

[Incredulity 11861]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

Its the Russians!!

[Thatguy 9289]

14 minutes ago, Hate said:

Do you think that the protesters shouting at people eating dinner are going to garner the support of the diners? Do you think that protesters blocking traffic and banging on cars is going to garner the support of the drivers?

And my point earlier is that for a lot of us, me anyway, I didn’t grow up during segregation. I’ve never been to a restaurant with separate dining rooms for black or white people. I’ve never been to a movie theatre that forced black people to sit in the balcony. I never was on a little league team that did not allow black kids to participate. The idea that it ever existed is appalling. Are things perfect now? No, of course not. Are things better for “my generation” than they were before? I would say so. Are things perfect or the way they should be? No obviously not. Should we continue to make strides and should those strides be bigger and quicker to come? Yes we should. Is this wrong? Does this make me a silent racist?

  Silence is collusion my friend, and this is exactly what Brisket has been trying to tell you for 100 pages.

[Captainant 28385]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Its the Russians!!

Well I was just citing the parties who contributed to and utilized the services of cambridge analytica - you know, the company that's paying for all the ads to be micro-targetted to make you think that black people are coming for your suburbs. The people paying CA are primarily russian interest groups/agencies and various conservative political groups/candidates/politicians

[Hate 20232]

That's the entire point of my post.
White people love to exalt MLK these days, when in fact he and his followers did the exact same thing (blocking traffic, interrupting business) that you and other folks bitch and moan about today.
The bottom line is that the majority of white people don't want to see or hear any civil unrest from minorities, in any form or fashion. 

According to this article, MLK was against blocking traffic.

http:// https://www.wgbh.org/news/post/fine-art-inconveniencing-public

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

17 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/a-seattle-cop-rode-his-bike-over-a-protesters-head-during/
 

"Rode". OK...

[52-80 19379]

11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  I tried not to respond to the "you are middle ground" comment, but I just couldn't help it. What the hell are you middle ground on? Have you lived in the Bay Area or spent any considerable time there? Your views would get you run out of that town. My wife's birth parents, who live in the Bay Area, aren't even extreme liberals and we can barely have a conversation about politics, and I am Black.

so basically you associate with the crazies. 

[Thatguy 9289]

1 minute ago, Hate said:

According to this article, MLK was against blocking traffic.

http:// https://www.wgbh.org/news/post/fine-art-inconveniencing-public

  Ask yourself what are you doing right now....

[Hate 20232]

Finally, the President of the United States, past, current, and/or future, shouldn't be on Twitter.    

I could not agree more with this thought.

[Thatguy 9289]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

so basically you associate with the crazies. 

Yes. I am talking to you aren't I?

[Hate 20232]

  Ask yourself what are you doing right now....

Posting on an Internet forum in between conference calls?

[BradInATX 9208]

9 minutes ago, Hate said:

According to this article, MLK was against blocking traffic.

http:// https://www.wgbh.org/news/post/fine-art-inconveniencing-public

Okay, point taken. Change the discussion to sit-ins that interrupted people's businesses from generating revenue. None of the mechanics of the discussion change at all. In fact people on this very board have used BLM interrupting commerce as a reason for their scorn and hatred.

 

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice;” he wrote, “who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action.’”

^ who does that sound like?

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by BradInATX

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[Hate 20232]

Okay, point taken. Change the discussion to sit-ins that interrupted people's businesses from generating revenue. None of the mechanics of the discussion change at all. In fact people on this very board have used BLM interrupting commerce as a reason for their scorn and hatred.
 
“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice;” he wrote, “who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action.’”
 

Sit ins are very different than berating diners and are certainly extremely different than lighting said business on fire. Sit ins I would support. Marches I would support. I support what I, and many, believe is the first step in the right direction, ending the war on drugs.

[BradInATX 9208]

Just now, Hate said:

Sit ins are very different than berating diners and are certainly extremely different than lighting said business on fire. Sit ins I would support. Marches I would support. I support what I, and many, believe is the first step in the right direction, ending the war on drugs.

So you're okay with black people interrupting the flow of businesses so long as they are not saying things that hurt the white peoples' feelings?

[Thatguy 9289]

 

15 minutes ago, Hate said:

According to this article, MLK was against blocking traffic.

http:// https://www.wgbh.org/news/post/fine-art-inconveniencing-public

 

13 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  Ask yourself what are you doing right now....

 

7 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Okay, point taken. Change the discussion to sit-ins that interrupted people's businesses from generating revenue. None of the mechanics of the discussion change at all. In fact people on this very board have used BLM interrupting commerce as a reason for their scorn and hatred.

 

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice;” he wrote, “who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action.’”

^ who does that sound like?

 

 

10 minutes ago, Hate said:

Posting on an Internet forum in between conference calls?

No. You are looking past all of the evidence to find the one bit of evidence to align with your narrative. As BradInATX said, none of the mechanics change at all.

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Thatguy

[bad_teammate 13479]

The Edmund Pettus Bridge wasn't a pedestrian bridge. The Selma-to-Montgomery march didn't happen through forests and fields. MLK's demonstrations blocked traffic all the time. Basically all of them blocked traffic out of necessity.

He might have thought blocking traffic alone was an ineffective tactic, but he was not against blocking traffic.

Hearing historical lessons on MLK from ignorant, reactionary, anti-equality people is equal parts astonishing and infuriating. Just endlessly searching for whatever excuse they can to discredit every racial equality movement under the sun.

[BabaYaga 15532]

17 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Silence is collusion

There it is....

[dcar00 14902]

11 minutes ago, Hate said:

Posting on an Internet forum in between conference calls?

I think you meant "during"

[clapclapclap 9000]

44 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/a-seattle-cop-rode-his-bike-over-a-protesters-head-during/
 

The protester — called “trumpet man” by others in the crowd — was shown prone on the ground more than once as groups of bike cops pushed the mob back after declaring the march an unlawful protest.

As the officers advanced another time, one appeared to have had enough — and steered his bike’s wheels over the protester’s white safety helmet, according to a CJTV Media livestream. The officer — who was walking the bike at the time — then appeared to use it to hit another man to stop him getting too close.

 

So he repeatedly would lay down in front of approaching police trying to get a photo op.  (I wonder if he'll try that with a train next...)

Edit:  Seems to be ok, arrested and released

And it might have something to do with peaceful Antifa (Cosplay?) earlier hitting a bike cop in the helmet with a baseball bat:

 

More vids from last night at posts #4041 to 4055 (for those who want to skip the circular back and forth arguing of the last couple of pages from the usual handful of posters/socks/"Your side is wacist!')

Edited September 24, 2020 by clapclapclap

[Thatguy 9289]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Edmund Pettus Bridge wasn't a pedestrian bridge. The Selma-to-Montgomery march didn't happen through forests and fields. MLK's demonstrations blocked traffic all the time. Basically all of them blocked traffic out of necessity.

He might have thought blocking traffic alone was an ineffective tactic, but he was not against blocking traffic.

Hearing historical lessons on MLK from ignorant, reactionary, anti-equality people is equal parts astonishing and infuriating. Just endlessly searching for whatever excuse they can to discredit every racial equality movement under the sun.

  This right here.

   My question is why are they doing it? Being a Black guy, I cannot get in the frame of mind to understand it. Can someone explain it to me?

[bad_teammate 13479]

"Look, I marched a time or two after George Floyd but now I'm just another one of the jackals on social media tearing down BLM any chance I get!"

I know the people who say stuff like this are trying to build up their credentials as a moderate voice, but it just reveals how hollow their initial effort was.

Just now, clapclapclap said:

And it might have something to do with peaceful Antifa (Cosplay?) earlier hitting a bike cop in the helmet with a baseball bat:

How would those two things be connected?

The cop just ran over a guy's head and neck because he got mad, and you love it. Yum yum lick the boots.

And you're the same guy who just posted a random video of a black person misbehaving that had nothing to do with this thread because you can't keep your own ideas and message straight. Just as a reminder to others.

[gernblansten 3254]

17 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  Silence is collusion my friend, and this is exactly what Brisket has been trying to tell you for 100 pages.

"Silence is collusion" is a nice saying and all, but it doesn't seem to address Hate's post at all.  What is his "Silence"?  Or, is it the diners and drivers' silence?  Collusion in what?  Are you trying to tell Hate, "yes, protestors shouting at people eating dinner and banging on cars while blocking traffic will gain support from those diners and drivers because they'll realize if they themselves don't get out and shout at diners and drivers they are silent racists"?  Are you trying to tell Hate "you should not be eating dinner or driving  while anyone is oppressed"?  Or, are you just saying "Hate, I don't know you but you're a racist because you don't seem to agree 100% with my position on ________"?

[BabaYaga 15532]

5 minutes ago, Hate said:

Sit ins are very different than berating diners and are certainly extremely different than lighting said business on fire. Sit ins I would support. Marches I would support. I support what I, and many, believe is the first step in the right direction, ending the war on drugs.

The responses to this are one of two things:  intellectual dishonestly or stupidity.  Conflating burning businesses to the ground  and destroying already struggling communities to marches and protests.  To them, they are one and the same, thus the disconnect.  For most, I'd imagine it being intentional.   

[bad_teammate 13479]

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 My question is why are they doing it? Being a Black guy, I cannot get in the frame of mind to understand it. Can someone explain it to me?

Because the people they hate support BLM and the social media and news content they choose to consume hates BLM.

That's basically it. Just look at the Twitter sources that are incessantly being posted.

[BabaYaga 15532]

2 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

"Silence is collusion" is a nice saying and all, but it doesn't seem to address Hate's post at all.  What is his "Silence"?  Or, is it the diners and drivers' silence?  Collusion in what?  Are you trying to tell Hate, "yes, protestors shouting at people eating dinner and banging on cars while blocking traffic will gain support from those diners and drivers because they'll realize if they themselves don't get out and shout at diners and drivers they are silent racists"?  Are you trying to tell Hate "you should not be eating dinner or driving  while anyone is oppressed"?  Or, are you just saying "Hate, I don't know you but you're a racist because you don't seem to agree 100% with my position on ________"?

Welcome to the wonderful field of Critical Race Theory.  Please, take a seat before we start our individual admissions of guilt and racism.  

[Captainant 28385]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

The responses to this are one of two things:  intellectual dishonestly or stupidity.  Conflating burning businesses to the ground  and destroying already struggling communities to marches and protests.  To them, they are one and the same, thus the disconnect.  For most, I'd imagine it being intentional.   

Holy accusational confession, batman! People in favor of accountability for the police do not equate burning businesses to peaceful marches. YOU specifically however do that quite frequently in posting racial violence with a quip of "peaceful protests amirite????". This thread is a pretty thorough accounting of that behavior. 

[dcar00 14902]

7 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

So you're okay with black people interrupting the flow of businesses so long as they are not saying things that hurt the white peoples' feelings?

sit ins(mainly lunch counters) were people entering a restaurant, sitting down,asking for service like any other customer to protest segregated facilities. they weren't yelling at other customers. they were treated horribly in many cases.

[bad_teammate 13479]

11 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

"Silence is collusion" is a nice saying and all, but it doesn't seem to address Hate's post at all.  What is his "Silence"?  Or, is it the diners and drivers' silence?  Collusion in what?

Let me give you an example of "silence is collusion" that is relevant here.

clapclapclap posted a video of a black guy jumping off a bus and onto a car. Nothing to do with any protests. Nothing to do with any of the issues in this thread. Just a guy, probably on drugs, acting wild in public and breaking the law. He's just sharing it because the guy is black and it makes black people look bad.

I responded pointing that out. And... that's it. Silence from everyone who agrees with clapclapclap.
I posted a video of police terrorizing peaceful marchers. Silence from those who claim to hate police malfeasance and protester malfeasance equally.
Someone posts a Tweet of people unloading signs from a UHaul and there's an explosion of activity from those people.

What we choose to promote and defend and advance shows us our values, right? So does our silence.

If a cop beats a guy for no reason and his fellows stand there, say nothing, do nothing, what does that tell us about their values and beliefs?

The anti-BLM crowd here SHOULD keep itself in check. They should fact-check each other. They should tone-check each other. They should call each other out for lying or being outright racist like clapclapclap, but they don't. Why? Because they want the lies to spread. They want the racism to be promoted. They don't want to do it themselves, but they want it to happen: Their silence is collusion.

[edit]

Similarly, I someone here was saying, "Good I hope all the cops are killed" and I didn't respond my silence would also be collusion.

Edited September 24, 2020 by bad_teammate

[52-80 19379]

26 minutes ago, Hate said:

Posting on an Internet forum in between conference calls?

false, the answer is being incredibly and silently racist!

[BradInATX 9208]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

sit ins(mainly lunch counters) were people entering a restaurant, sitting down,asking for service like any other customer to protest segregated facilities. they weren't yelling at other customers. they were treated horribly in many cases.

And they continued the sit-in after being denied service (which they knew would happen). Thus interfering with the restaurant doing business, just like is happening today. The only difference** is that today they are hurting the feelings of the white people. 

So your entire argument boils down to it's not okay to say mean things to white people. 

 

** obviously nobody is condoning some of the violence that has happened, but those are a small, regretful minority of these protests.

 

You and Hate are literally making my point for me. You will continue to move the goalposts, regardless of what the protest is. In the 1970s 70% of white people opposed King's sit-ins and marches. Now in the 2020s 70% of white people will say "we love Dr. King! But these black people cross the line when they say mean things!". You and Hate are okay by me generally speaking, but it's extremely obvious that there is never going to be an acceptable protest to you. As you're doing now with the "they're calling people crackers while they're trying to eat dinner!!" thing, no matter how peaceful the protest, you're going to come up with something to clutch pearls over and justify your worldview.

[bad_teammate 13479]

3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

And they continued the sit-in after being denied service (which they knew would happen). Thus interfering with the restaurant doing business, just like is happening today. The only difference** is that today they are hurting the feelings of the white people.

Not only this, but in their concern trolling they say, "Look, if they are nicer and silent in their protests then racists won't be triggered and might even be more sympathetic to their cause!"

Then two breaths later will say, "I was supportive of their cause until they started acting up."

And the dissonance between those two things will never become clear to them. They can't allow themselves to realize that they were talking about themselves the whole time.

[BabaYaga 15532]

12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Holy accusational confession, batman! People in favor of accountability for the police do not equate burning businesses to peaceful marches. YOU specifically however do that quite frequently in posting racial violence with a quip of "peaceful protests amirite????". This thread is a pretty thorough accounting of that behavior. 

No shit fuck stick.  Nor is that the point you keep obfuscating.  You have this idiotic idea that unless you are in 100% support of EVERYTHING related or tied to BLM (except remember kids, they are "decentralized)...albeit burning houses, destroying businesses, looting, rioting, violence, threats of murder, and attacks, you are against them, hate black people, and support the current structures in place.  

That about sum it up you fucking meat flap?

[gernblansten 3254]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Let me give you an example of "silence is collusion" that is relevant here.

clapclapclap posted a video of a black guy jumping off a bus and onto a car. Nothing to do with any protests. Nothing to do with any of the issues in this thread. Just a guy, probably on drugs, acting wild in public and breaking the law. He's just sharing it because the guy is black and it makes black people look bad.

I responded pointing that out. And... that's it. Silence from everyone who agrees with clapclapclap.
I posted a video of police terrorizing peaceful marchers. Silence from those who claim to hate police malfeasance and protester malfeasance equally.
Someone posts a Tweet of people unloading signs from a UHaul and there's an explosion of activity from those people.

What we choose to promote and defend and advance shows us our values, right? So does our silence.

If a cop beats a guy for no reason and his fellows stand there, say nothing, do nothing, what does that tell us about their values and beliefs?

The anti-BLM crowd here SHOULD keep itself in check. They should fact-check each other. They should tone-check each other. They should call each other out for lying or being outright racist like clapclapclap, but they don't. Why? Because they want the lies to spread. They want the racism to be promoted. They don't want to do it themselves, but they want it to happen: Their silence is collusion.

[edit]

Similarly, I someone here was saying, "Good I hope all the cops are killed" and I didn't respond my silence would also be collusion.

Thanks, but I don't think Thatguy needs you to answer for him.  I asked Thatguy what he meant in his response to Hate's post.  I didn't ask you or any other spokesman for a position or group for their interpretation of "Silence is Collusion."  I don't care how a collective allegedly thinks or interprets a phrase or video.  I cared about what an individual (Thatguy) meant in response to what another individual (Hate) posted.      

[BradInATX 9208]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not only this, but in their concern trolling they say, "Look, if they are nicer and silent in their protests then racists won't be triggered and might even be more sympathetic to their cause!"

Then two breaths later will say, "I was supportive of their cause until they started acting up."

And the dissonance between those two things will never become clear to them. They can't allow themselves to realize that they were talking about themselves the whole time.

Yeah. And of course also contributing to the dissonance is the ridiculous notion that 100% of the black people protesting back then were subservient and appropriately humble and had nothing bad to say about any of the whites that they encountered during their sit-ins or marches.

[dcar00 14902]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

And they continued the sit-in after being denied service (which they knew would happen). Thus interfering with the restaurant doing business, just like is happening today. The only difference** is that today they are hurting the feelings of the white people. 

So your entire argument boils down to it's not okay to say mean things to white people. 

 

** obviously nobody is condoning some of the violence that has happened, but those are a small, regretful minority of these protests.

 

You and Hate are literally making my point for me. You will continue to move the goalposts, regardless of what the protest is. In the 1970s 70% of white people opposed King's sit-ins and marches. Now in the 2020s 70% of white people will say "we love Dr. King! But these black people cross the line when they say mean things!". You and Hate are okay by me generally speaking, but it's extremely obvious that there is never going to be an acceptable protest to you. As you're doing now with the "they're calling people crackers while they're trying to eat dinner!!" thing, no matter how peaceful the protest, you're going to come up with something to clutch pearls over and justify your worldview.

I'm not moving any goalpost. 

acceptable protest 

get a permit every day and march in the street(or at the capitol or a public park or wherever it is allowed) where the permit allows for as long as it allows.  use megaphones, whoopie cushions, pinatas whatever. 

people jumping into restaurants sitting at tables already occupied, yelling at them while the protester is in the restaurant is wrong.  ofcourse it is up to the private business to decide what to do about that.

and oh by the way, it isn't just balck people, but you seem to want to make everything about race.

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Just now, dcar00 said:

 but you seem to want to make everything about race.

Racists tend to do that...

[BradInATX 9208]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

I'm not moving any goalpost. 

acceptable protest 

get a permit every day and march in the street(or at the capitol or a public park or wherever it is allowed) where the permit allows for as long as it allows.  use megaphones, whoopie cushions, pinatas whatever. 

people jumping into restaurants sitting at tables already occupied, yelling at them while the protester is in the restaurant is wrong.  ofcourse it is up to the private business to decide what to do about that.

and oh by the way, it isn't just balck people, but you seem to want to make everything about race.

I mean that's fine, unlike some of the others you're not even fronting. You oppose MLK's protests and any outward social unrest by minorities. That's fine, at least you are owning your views.

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Just now, BabaYaga said:

Racists tend to do that...

Hahaha. You are way, way too stupid to gaslight me, my man.