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[Hate 20,232]

If you move this thread to the CR then where will the "NO CR!!" folks be able to go hold their circle-jerk of posting the same politically-driven echo-chamber hot takes over and over?

Ummm, that is exactly what happens in the CR.

[immortal13 4,059]

1 minute ago, Hate said:

 

Ummm, that is exactly what happens in the CR.

 

Brad seems confused

[Brisketexan 106,625]

13 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Nobody is saying it is, but it seems more and more than the ones doing the rioting and destruction, the ones utilizing these tactics & rhetoric.  The "clenched first of Communism" isn't helping either.  

Or, you know, the raised fist of "black power," that has been a symbol for black people for....Jesus, decades, including at the Olympics.

[BabaYaga 15,532]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Or, you know, the raised fist of "black power," that has been a symbol for black people for....Jesus, decades, including at the Olympics.

Oh, I know - but since we are all in on the root cause of words and symbols, it goes much further back than the Mexican Olympics.  

[MissingInAction 25,478]

7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  One of my coworkers is a white guy who exclusively dates black women, and is married to one. He is also a hardcore Repub. We share war stories all the time.

Nothing has ever terrified me more than when I got caught side eyeing some ass. Had we not been in a restaurant I believe truly that she would have stabbed me.

[Guest Lobo]

17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Nobody is saying it is, but it seems more and more than the ones doing the rioting and destruction, the ones utilizing these tactics & rhetoric.  The "clenched first of Communism" isn't helping either.  

If you don't like that hand gesture...you're really not gonna like the origins of the "Bellamy Salute"...you know the thing the Nazi Socialists do all the time.  Yeah, invented right here in America...by the guy that wrote the fucking Pledge of Allegiance.  $50 says it makes a mass comeback in this country between now and February and it won't be black socialists making the gesture.  

Edited September 25, 2020 by Lobo

[BabaYaga 15,532]

2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

If you don't like that hand gesture...you're really not gonna like the origins of the "Bellamy Salute"...you know the thing the Nazi Socialists do all the time.  Yeah, invented right here in America...by the guy that wrote the fucking Pledge of Allegiance.  $50 says it makes a mass comeback in this country between now and February and it won't be black socialists making the gesture.  

We're saying the same thing

[immortal13 4,059]

3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

If you don't like that hand gesture...you're really not gonna like the origins of the "Bellamy Salute"...you know the thing the Nazi Socialists do all the time.  Yeah, invented right here in America...by the guy that wrote the fucking Pledge of Allegiance.  $50 says it makes a mass comeback in this country between now and February and it won't be black socialists making the gesture.  

Off your meds again?

[Brisketexan 106,625]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Oh, I know - but since we are all in on the root cause of words and symbols, it goes much further back than the Mexican Olympics.  

Of course it does -- but it's not just a cover of Pravda thing.  It has been adopted and used as a symbol of black power for at least 50+ years.  Come on, man.  You are trying WAY too hard to discredit the entire racial equality movement as "affiliated with those dirty commies."  I mean, it's not even an original play.

[dcar00 14,903]

27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Did MLK say he was a communist?  maybe he did and I missed it.

[Guest Lobo]

Well then, Heil Five brutha!  

Yeah, all this shit goes back centuries if not longer.  Different groups just accost different gestures for their own accord.  I was just always fascinated with the Bellamy Salute because it went into widespread use here literally just a few years before it did in Germany.  But it's all stolen from one group to another, the irony of IP theft being lost on the socialists. 

Anyway, say what you want about the Icy Hot Stuntaz...at least their hand gestures and poses were original!  

[Guest Lobo]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We're saying the same thing

Well then, Heil Five brutha!  

Yeah, all this shit goes back centuries if not longer.  Different groups just accost different gestures for their own accord.  I was just always fascinated with the Bellamy Salute because it went into widespread use here literally just a few years before it did in Germany.  But it's all stolen from one group to another, the irony of IP theft being lost on the socialists. 

Anyway, say what you want about the Icy Hot Stuntaz...at least their hand gestures and poses were original!  

And immortal along again to provide brilliant insight.  Everything in my post is factually correct so I know it hurts your brain.  

Edited September 25, 2020 by Lobo

[dcar00 14,903]

19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  One of my coworkers is a white guy who exclusively dates black women, and is married to one. He is also a hardcore Repub. We share war stories all the time.

he sounds like a racist...

[BabaYaga 15,532]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Of course it does -- but it's not just a cover of Pravda thing.  It has been adopted and used as a symbol of black power for at least 50+ years.  Come on, man.  You are trying WAY too hard to discredit the entire racial equality movement as "affiliated with those dirty commies."  I mean, it's not even an original play.

I'm not trying to discredit anything.  I never stated the raised fist in any way interests me in the slightest (I just said it's not doing them any favors), but to many it does and is sourced often.  I take umbrage with Marxist rhetoric from many (whether you agree or not) professing to speak for the movement.  I'm watching the same slow deuteriation of a  movement as we saw with the Tea party.  It's in lock step.  

[BabaYaga 15,532]

6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Did MLK say he was a communist?  maybe he did and I missed it.

Always thoughts the Communist angle came from the affiliation with the Black Panthers and the fact we were smack dab in the height of the Cold War?

Edited September 25, 2020 by BabaYaga

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

Shit !!!!  You mean I gotta get me some black friends now so I won't be considered racist ??!  What's the quota on the required number of Chinese friends  ?

[Hate 20,232]

he sounds like a racist...

If he is a Republican then he must be.

[bad_teammate 13,479]

11 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Did MLK say he was a communist?  maybe he did and I missed it.

No, he spoke out against Communism. Didn't stop your ideological ancestors from attacking him with that anyway because he knew Communists and made common cause with them on social justice...

Just like the literal exact thing that is happening today that you and your compatriots are repeating just like your ideological ancestors.

[dcar00 14,903]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

No, he spoke out against Communism. Didn't stop your ideological ancestors from attacking him with that anyway because he knew Communists and made common cause with them on social justice...

Just like the literal exact thing that is happening today that you and your compatriots are repeating just like your ideological ancestors.

you mean the democrats?

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

6 minutes ago, Hate said:

If he is a Republican then he must be.

Well d'uuuuuuh....

[workswithseed 2,201]

No politics in my dt.

[bad_teammate 13,479]

Just now, dcar00 said:

you mean the democrats?

Party identification is a wild oversimplication of the issue and doesn't really help explain any of it. Anyway, the CR is that way, bud! I know you won't go there because it's scary, but that's where that conversation lives. I'll be happy to engage you there on those narrow and rudimentary terms if that's all you're capable of seeing. Just tag me in, bro! :)

 

[dcar00 14,903]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Party identification is a wild oversimplication of the issue and doesn't really help explain any of it. Anyway, the CR is that way, bud! I know you won't go there because it's scary, but that's where that conversation lives. I'll be happy to engage you there on those narrow and rudimentary terms if that's all you're capable of seeing. Just tag me in, bro! :)

 

its too bad the democrats are the party of slavery and segregation. you'll just have to live with it even though it was a while back.  history and all. you don't get to dictate "where the conversation lives".

[bad_teammate 13,479]

Just now, dcar00 said:

you don't get to dictate "where the conversation lives".

That's true! That's up to the bobs.

I try to stay on topic here and not discuss politics as per the purported rules of the forum.

I tagged you into the CR and we can discuss your ideas there.

[dcar00 14,903]

12 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

That's true! That's up to the bobs.

I try to stay on topic here and not discuss politics as per the purported rules of the forum.

I tagged you into the CR and we can discuss your ideas there.

I'm good.  you can go play tag in the CR with your racist ideological ancestors over there.

[immamac 44,199]

I don't know what surly wants out of this thread can someone please explain it to me? 

[dcar00 14,903]

back to the topic

[Brisketexan 106,625]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

can someone please explain it to me? 

[bad_teammate 13,479]

Just now, immamac said:

I don't know what surly wants out of this thread can someone please explain it to me? 

- News and discussion of the ongoing social unrest related to/following the murder of George Floyd.
- No reference to politicians or political parties.

It's a good question, but there's my two-part answer for what it's worth (which is nothing).

Really, though, you tell us. What is DT for?

- Is it for just posting Tweets/articles without commentary?
- Is it for posting Tweets/articles WITH commentary BUT no one can respond to it? (i.e., I can say "here is a news item and here's my sarcastic joke about it or my opinion about it" and then no one can contradict or argue)

If you tell me the rule I will try my best to follow it.

[immamac 44,199]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

- News and discussion of the ongoing social unrest related to/following the murder of George Floyd.
- No reference to politicians or political parties.

It's a good question, but there's my two-part answer for what it's worth (which is nothing).

Really, though, you tell us. What is DT for?

- Is it for just posting Tweets/articles without commentary?
- Is it for posting Tweets/articles WITH commentary BUT no one can respond to it? (i.e., I can say "here is a news item and here's my sarcastic joke about it or my opinion about it" and then no one can contradict or argue)

If you tell me the rule I will try my best to follow it.

I'm fine with either, I think that's the problem. Just tell me which way we collectively want this thread to go and I will just make that so. There's one thing that's clear, this thread isn't working the way it is.

[bad_teammate 13,479]

Discussion without reference to politicians or parties. That's my vote.

If someone posts explicit politics in DT then ban them from DT for a week+. If someone is talking ideology and philosophy that seems to belong here. But if they're saying "DEMOCRATS! REPUBLICANS! TRUMP! BIDEN! AOC! CRENSHAW!" then they can't post here. If they don't have even THAT level of control then they should go howl in the CR.

I say "explicit" because we have to have a clear definition of what is "political". Obviously we all have political beliefs, but we should be forced to try to think BEYOND that. It's a low bar to clear, IMO, and if you can't clear it you get a timeout.

If that's not helpful I'm sorry; wish I had a better answer.

Edited September 25, 2020 by bad_teammate

[Michael Knight 13,187]

Didn't we already do this in the board discussion and it was ruled decided by a large majority that DT is for the Republicans to post their opinions and CR is for Democrats. But we'll pretend that's not what it is and claim DT is for non political real news like OAN and qanon while CR is for the liberal Jew run media sheep.

[immamac 44,199]

2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Didn't we already do this in the board discussion and it was ruled decided by a large majority that DT is for the Republicans to post their opinions and CR is for Democrats. But we'll pretend that's not what it is and claim DT is for non political real news like OAN and qanon while CR is for the liberal Jew run media sheep.

not that I'm aware of, that is not the intention of either of those boards.

I'm not looking for smart ass fucking answers here, if you want this thread to keep going the way it is I'll just fucking delete it. I appreciate Bad_teammates perspective, I also appreciate the perspective of "it's your site do what you think is right". I want the community to decide, if you want me to just do what I think to fix the site then I'll do that, but there's been a pretty vocal contingent for a lot longer than I've had the privilege of happening to own the board url where this community resides that is pretty against heavy handed moderation.

[Michael Knight 13,187]

 

[hayden_horn 11,401]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

you mean the democrats?

totally no politics please

this entire thread is fucking politics.

[dcar00 14,903]

2 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

totally no politics please

this entire thread is fucking politics.

I see you didn't respond to thatguy's post.  and bt's "ideological brethren"...

[hayden_horn 11,401]

26 minutes ago, immamac said:

not that I'm aware of, that is not the intention of either of those boards.

I'm not looking for smart ass fucking answers here, if you want this thread to keep going the way it is I'll just fucking delete it. I appreciate Bad_teammates perspective, I also appreciate the perspective of "it's your site do what you think is right". I want the community to decide, if you want me to just do what I think to fix the site then I'll do that, but there's been a pretty vocal contingent for a lot longer than I've had the privilege of happening to own the board url where this community resides that is pretty against heavy handed moderation.

i'll give you my answer publicly, which i related already to you privately, in the interest of full disclosure.

this thread is basically political gaslighting. it's the purpose and premise of the entire thread. full stop. these are people who left the cloak room for reasons, and instead reside here, baiting other posters into politics while straddling the line themselves. it's a joke. but even they cannot help being political from time to time. 

if we are truly to separate CR from DT in an ideological way, then we reach the point of where "what is happening" becomes "why is this happening," it shifts from DT to CR. there's no other way around it. so many posters in this thread with CR takes that are dog whistles. it's ridiculous, and it's been going on a long time, and it's starting to infect other boards as well. look at the college football thread for political hot takes as well. cloak room belongs in cloak room, even if the posters with super non-political opinions don't want to put their political opinions there. 

jmho.

Edited September 25, 2020 by hayden_horn

[hayden_horn 11,401]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I see you didn't respond to thatguy's post.  and bt's "ideological brethren"...

no, yours was just the straw. this entire thread is political. yall have made it so.

intentionally.

[Hate 20,232]

I really don’t see it as political. There have been no “Cheeto” comments or any mention of political parties until the last few post. It’s just a bunch of posters calling other posters racists and those posters saying they aren’t. That’s as simple as it gets.

[bad_teammate 13,479]

8 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I see you didn't respond to thatguy's post.  and bt's "ideological brethren"...

Ideology is much, much, MUCH larger than party identification. It's just so much more. I will explain what I mean in CR so we can have that conversation. That's not a threat, I genuinely want you to understand what I'm saying.

[washparkhorn 9,967]

What Hayden said.

Nuke it on DT, put it in the CR (since it is political (clan loyalty)) or BD (if you want the board discussion over classification of posts to continue). 

[Moby Ric 2,058]

Send it to the CR or not.  The same commie idiots will find some other thread to ruin.

[Message Board User 12,405]

Some (maybe all) of you need to take break from this thread and perhaps all of social media...at least for a while.

Y’all are getting too worked up.

Have a beer, smoke a cigar, watch CFB this weekend, get a girlfriend.

Relax and don’t take yourself so seriously.

This board is not and should not be your identity or where you derive your sense of self-worth.

 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Message Board User

[Fondren & Main 6,871]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

Some (maybe all) of you need to take break from this thread and perhaps all of social media...at least for a while.

Y’all are getting too worked up.

Have a beer, smoke a cigar, watch CFB this weekend, get a girlfriend.

Relax and don’t take yourself so seriously.

 

[Michael Knight 13,187]

I men there's a fundamental misunderstanding of what "politics" and being "political" means. Saying you want to nominate a conservative to the Supreme Court is not politics and not political. Mitch McConnel throwing out 200 years of precedent, ethics and decorum and ramming in a nominee because "fuck you thats why"  and supporting or not supporting that action  that's what politics is. Politics isn't a belief system politics is how things get done in our government and what deals are made and what beliefs are compromised. Saying black lives matter isn't political, crafting a bill getting support and passing it is political and giving lip service to the belief that black lives matter but not actually doing anything is also political. You'd think on a supposedly college educated board people could understand this concept but look at the rest of our fucking broken country and you'll see why discourse has been reduced to practically nil. Everyone lives in their own bubble where an algorithm has assigned them to only be able to see events that line up with their existing belief system. Nothing is challenged and nothing new is ever learned. So I vote we rename Daily Texan to Gaslighting and Cloak Room to Airing of Grievances cause that's what those 2 boards have been reduced to.

 

And for the people who say ,"oh its just your side vs my side thats so politics" your side is literally Donald Fucking Trump. A pathetic joke of a human being before being elevated to on one of the most powerful positions in the world where his decisions and indecisions have cost literally 100s of thousands of lives. So think on that before you say none of this matters anyways.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Michael Knight

[atomheartbevo 90,548]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

not that I'm aware of, that is not the intention of either of those boards.

I'm not looking for smart ass fucking answers here, if you want this thread to keep going the way it is I'll just fucking delete it. I appreciate Bad_teammates perspective, I also appreciate the perspective of "it's your site do what you think is right". I want the community to decide, if you want me to just do what I think to fix the site then I'll do that, but there's been a pretty vocal contingent for a lot longer than I've had the privilege of happening to own the board url where this community resides that is pretty against heavy handed moderation.

There are posters who don't want this stuff discussed in news/current events for whatever reason, and they deliberately inject politics into it and then claim it should be in CR, even though they are the reason why it became political. 

[Poe It Up 126]

Forcing us to the CR would be cruel and unusual punishment. 

[Michael Knight 13,187]

Go ahead and report my post because I said Donald Trump by name and we all know that's not news and just politics. What does the president of the united states have to do with protests and rioting after all.

[Fondren & Main 6,871]

6 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Go ahead and report my post because I said Donald Trump by name and we all know that's not news and just politics. What does the president of the united states have to do with protests and rioting after all.

You're definitely not getting laid with that negative attitude, buddy.

[atomheartbevo 90,548]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

I really don’t see it as political. There have been no “Cheeto” comments or any mention of political parties until the last few post. It’s just a bunch of posters calling other posters racists and those posters saying they aren’t. That’s as simple as it gets.

If those people got punished with something more than having their posts delayed, like say a 24 hour, then 48, then 1 week posting ban, they'd get the picture pretty quick.  They would have to decide between being allowed to post, or shitting up a thread they don't like and being punished as a result.

We are way overthinking this.  We should be able to discuss current events and news without people coming in and taking it personally.

People shouldn't be able to walk into a DT thread, throw out political comments, and then declare that the thread should be moved to CR, because there's political comments.  If somebody wants to throw out a "cheeto" comment, or a "liberal commies" comment, give them some actual time off - a day or two should get it through their heads.